Joe Rogan Experience #1638 — Dr. Shanna Swan Transcript

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0:00 Hello. human race. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I believe you, but I'm scared. I think we Yes. I mean, that doesn't sound so scary to people, but the consequences sound really scary, which is that we're, you know, by every measure, our sperm count, our miscarriage rates, our fertility rates, our testosterone levels, So that class is called phthalates.

3:16 You could do that. Yeah. Okay. So let's think of a little experiment. So go into a hospital, into the neonatal intensive care nursery. proportional to the number of lines come into the baby. So if you understand that, you understand cook in, microwave in plastic, for example. All of that just, it's not, doesn't stick to the plastic. Different plastics are different,

6:18 plastic cup here, we could look at the bottom of it and you'd see a recycling code. Four, five, one, and two, all the rest are bad for you. Yeah. Put them in ceramic. Put them in glass. It's really good. Do you want me to tell you how different? And then that gives the signal to produce the male typical genitals. So if they don't have the testosterone, there will be ovaries,

9:45 But anogenital distance is. Known on the street as the taint. And they're like, oh, you mean the gooch. And also ABC. Yeah. Sorry. It's 50 to 100% longer. AGD, right? But for most mammals, it's this way, okay, including humans. So here's this Now, the amount of phthalates that get into the pup system in utero, is that possible to achieve those levels in the modern world with human beings?

13:00 And he said, Shauna, you should study phthalates. So how would you answer that question? Is that what you're doing? because nobody had made this translation from an animal genital developmental system to a human. It's very expensive. These things are $5 million a study, by the way. that at least this class of chemicals, which we know lower testosterone,

16:58 They don't have a sperm count. study too. So I got students in Rochester, New York to volunteer for 75 bucks to participate. That's why I have a sub-pants on. But we can't show this. Okay. Right. Okay? been estimated? So if you look at a curve of the growth, it starts around the 1950s. But we're not sure. But I did look at the decline in sperm count

22:22 Well, it's very frightening because that, very frightening because that's not a reversible thing. I mean, I haven't heard this before. we don't talk about sperm counts are going down, testosterone is going down, you know, we're having more and more children by assisted reproduction. Aging is definitely a problem. you know, until it comes home to roost, as you say,

25:21 or they microwave things in plastic or they drink bottled water. It was hot. so much going on there, right? If the mother smokes, then on the average, her son can lose 40% of his sperm So it's the unborn child that we really need to protect the most. I've written over 200 papers that say this. and I was thinking, why don't I know this? it is a significant issue and hopefully more people are recognizing but look people don't

29:25 surprising things is that low sperm count that's related to phthalates, that man is going to die I mean, have you made a connection with this and depression or with anxiety or any another friend of mine andrew marr and they have worked with these soldiers and now he's also done in our latest study, nine years, eight, nine years old. So they're not, they're not there yet.

32:28 countries, like countries in the developmental world and the countries where they use less That's a good, healthy sperm count. Wow. And 60 Minutes So what we did in our curve 10 years? Can't have a negative. I mean, if it's really dropping down by, it's basically 50% in the time period from 1973 to 2011, as I would just say, that's bananas. Right. if this is real, the children that are being born today, if they have this issue

36:43 And here's another thing to think about. and the next generation is exposed. happens in three generations if we don't clean everything up then the trend And has anybody fought this? But there's, okay, first of all, we can do better. One place, let me just say, we used to do terribly with drugs. personal care product, where they are also, by the way, he has to show that it's not

40:38 We have a lot of screwed up stuff over here. but that's not through something like phthalates. And that was shown in rats as well. No, glyphosate doesn't. No, I don't think so. Not in our kids. So the animal data is a little not clear, but in Right. the rain, you know, repellent, those coatings, and they're also on paper, you know, keeps the Then there are the phenols, the bisphenols, which, by the way, you probably, did you ever try to buy a BPA-free bottle?

45:18 And so they took it out. And the bottle says BPA-free. What can the general public do We can come back to that. Probably from the processing. What are those tubes made of? And that would be if you're trying to eat organic. Yeah. And then I'm picturing a supermarket and just going down the road looking at, like, packages of lettuce and things wrapped in plastic and meat wrapped in plastic and chicken and, like, wow.

50:26 I eat it. showed that the amount of chemicals their body at the time they start the procedure. and they want to deny as much responsibility for having these chemicals in our bodies as they can. You're looking at male athletes and phthalate and the development and what's possible. Are there people that have been Right. maybe they look at it in terms of, like, nature has a way of working itself out,

54:25 Well, it kind of makes sense that this does sort of balance itself out in some very bizarre way. that's just an accidental process. And it's not our responsibility. Maybe. But you know that for centuries women have been blamed for the fact that a couple can't get pregnant. about his overall health, by the way. So here's this woman that's being blamed. She's also being,

57:34 I think it's a lot of chemicals that are causing that. and also solvents that are used to clean chips and other you know certain high so chlorination Because most certainly if you're training in a swimming pool or swimming on a daily basis, you're getting dosed with chlorine every day, especially if it's a public pool. They were not regulated. They think it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 years.

1:01:07 And they were, one of the centers was Columbia, Missouri, where I was living. And that's rural. different chemicals or they work their way into the air itself because they spray? Or water. So that was pretty dramatic. And gradually they did a study of these men who had zero sperm. The only good news all day. you have these enormous cornfields. So maybe those enormous cornfields are not good for us.

1:04:59 in one spot, like that's not, we've added all these chemicals to our environment to our water to our air, changed sperm counts, changed reproductive cycles and reproductive quantity. Well, what's terrifying to me is, like, I don't know. Okay. Okay. Oh, okay. I gotcha. You're hilarious. But I could be wrong. I would say D. Is that correct? I can't. It turns out when the sperm concentration, motility, the sperm's movement or swimming ability,

1:09:46 Totally. Or 40% said yes, 60% said it didn't matter. D, 34% to 45%. Infertility used to be considered mostly a woman's problem. a combo of male and female factors. think that. Oh, they better check it out. and sends signals to the testicles to stop making more. Sugar, sweetened beverages. Okay. A man's age can affect his female partner's miscarriage risk.

1:13:24 That's a miscarriage It's cute. Thanks for playing. What can we do? How can we let people know how big this issue is. Any ideas? Freak people out. But these are what we call revelations. Some of them are about the man. So what do I do? The bottom ones are the female ones? Yeah. Well, these are all true. He was the first person to see his own sperm.

1:16:22 Aha. Yeah. There was a sperm that was attacking the other sperm and killing sperm of other men. Oh, I don't know about the two kinds. You know, I don't know. Skeptical? Right. I'm pretty sure I read that it was debunked, that they've never found. These days, 26% of men who present to doctors with erectile dysfunction are under age 40. No. He is an honest man.

1:20:20 You got a good sense of humor. Yeah, Tom's all about overkill. like the amount of muscle mass a man carries on his body There we go. Yeah. of a sudden she gets pregnant, that's what it is. The sperm stuck around. That's very... approximately 1 million to 2 million eggs i've heard that but see how what the imbalance is Right. Maybe the woman didn't even know she was pregnant.

1:24:25 This is bananas. So on average, people had five children, right? So like Singapore and Korea, they're down to one but is that by choice So it doesn't close the door to some invention or some innovation in theero? None that we know of. So it doesn't close the door to some invention not your bedroom. can harm the reproductive health of multiple future generations.

1:27:21 That makes sense. Yeah. Right. But they are ambiguously sexual. Homo sapiens are already fit in the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service standard to be considered an endangered species. The place where I have that, oh, okay, you want me to read it? an endangered species based on U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's requirements, okay? Okay, the next thing is, the next one, the second is that we have, quote,

1:30:52 We all, males and females, start life with the same genital apparatus. So that's what that's about. even when I read the breakdown of this I didn't think it was as bad as you described it. I thought, like, oh, maybe we can just stop using these plastics and your testosterone will come back. Now all of a sudden you have this view of humanity and the future.

1:33:22 We do make changes. you know, chemicals that haven't been designed yet will come in and take the place of these chemicals. Well, I hope so too, but I hope it's not like BPFs. Monsanto's never stopped selling it, but they have in other countries. Other countries have Well, I'm actually glad you're disturbed That could be used. I don't think the capitals matter with hashtags. Do they? No, I don't Okay. Yeah. I don't think the capitals matter with hashtags.

1:36:16 And then finally, people saying there's things we can do about it. They said, yes, we do have a problem. I really enjoyed talking to you. Bye. Thank you.