Joe Rogan Experience #1645 — Christopher Mellon Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! also did some Armed Services Committee work. When he was asked to become Secretary of Defense, That happened at a surprisingly early age. And it just sparked my curiosity, a lifelong curiosity. Very rarely. explain and so forth? So he did. And Pete called me up and said, hey, you wouldn't believe this. that this tape was played on.

4:06 which wouldn't presumably be happening in space. as a person who had a budding interest in unidentified flying objects and and what have request that came to me once that i think was from president clinton and it was one of the astronauts happen often in this field. When do you think this happened? This happened after the New York Times article and subsequent press beginning in 2017, December 2017.

7:41 and that the Soviets might spook the public and somehow manipulate this issue. Well, there were different people. was that he was told And he felt badly burned as well because he was trying to carry out his mandate Was all this stuff like being inside the government and knowing how prevalent these This was some military pilots doing reconnaissance missions who were seeing some very unusual lights.

10:50 friends who would call me up. I had a Navy friend who was a pilot and he said, you wouldn't believe So was it that no one in the Pentagon was seeking this out? Okay. Policymakers, the secretary of defense himself, Congress, et cetera. Yeah. their radar. It went to their predetermined point where they were supposed to scramble. officers of doing anything really other than ridiculing them.

14:55 around and they saw the water roiled. In fact, I think first they saw the water before they saw being included in the new york times right correct absolutely because it was so credible I had taken – I contacted some former colleagues on the committee and said, you guys really ought to look at this. So at that point, they couldn't tell them in private, yeah, this is real, and then publicly deny it wasn't.

17:37 He's an alien, bro. his top-secret clearance was in trouble, If you want to drink, that's probably a better move. that they've already discovered, and then also the wide variety of life that exists in various conditions on earth. Who knows, right? The question is, you know, could we ever communicate with them or have contact, right? if somebody sent a probe.

20:24 And there's no crosstalk. It wouldn't reveal the location or the source of the civilization that was sending it. in our galaxy, in the Milky Way, So, you know, it's not an unreasonable proposition. And he doesn't propose to say where it's from. doesn't involve either extraterrestrials or ultra-terrestrials or something like that. And from the radar data, they should be able to gain some real insights as to

24:36 He's written a very lengthy piece making that assertion. And they know what those ships were. open mind on it. I just want to see the evidence. But there's some features of this that if they are drones, they're probably more advanced Yeah. They're looking at the radar picture, so they would know from that if it's a commercial aircraft. And there was three of them that they tracked right i think

27:52 And that our guys don't know what it is. being reported more now? activity is more in-your-face kind of stuff. It's more like not elusive, you know, on the edge, you see it and it flies away. Some sort of manipulation of the power systems, almost to let you know. militarily that we have. And if someone can come in there and turn these things off, long ago, four years when it really started being something that people were willing to take

32:19 That could be some of it. So there was a lot of stuff going on. Well, unfortunately, some people are full of shit. And that muddies the water, right? And there are a number of these mass sighting cases, and not just in the U.S. football field long, maybe several football fields. Correct. Yeah. Huge. And hundreds, if not thousands Because it takes a long time for, I mean...

35:31 Well, the problem with the flare analogy is unless the flares were suspended with balloons where they were slowly lowering from the sky, it doesn't make any sense because they're hovering. Well, in some cases, people also saw these lights moving in formation. And, you know, drone technology back then was pretty unsophisticated, right? massive led light.

37:11 Whatever it is. And whatever that is, it was seen by people hundreds of miles in both directions. Like, it's not dropping. You know, it looks like something dropping. supposedly thousands of people were witnesses to that event We're going around the sun. They don't want to hear anything else. but I also think the Bob Lazar documentary before it takes off?

40:15 What's really also interesting about Gimbal Yeah, the gimbal one is weird. and then you see it rotate. What the hell are they doing in there? Yeah. They went through a proper process and it came with documentation that said approved for public release. I had actually introduced Lou Elizondo, who was leading a small effort in the Pentagon to try to you mean contaminated if he took a brief if he took it just from hearing the brief okay so just

43:41 All have to approve. I won't call them whistleblowers, but there were a few people who were very concerned and willing to take this out of normal channels because it wasn't even that people were having trouble moving along. It wasn't going anywhere. it afterward when it went to the cap point. I think something to take into consideration is the vast spans of the ocean, too.

46:07 But again, somebody has to make a decision. a plane trying to look at the entire country no I mean in the case of the Yeah. it'll bounce off more strongly, um i not with dave i think but at the cap point where uh yet another f18 the same day and get a detailed map of the entire ocean. There's no way you're going to see the whole thing. and you can describe it

49:51 But that gets off pretty quickly into the area that is confidential. So there may be an ability to move underwater and remain undetected, looked like that he worked on the sport model i think they called it that's what he called it yeah Nothing that the taxpayer would object to. I found his explanations curious. Laurentium. radiation on badges that's it yeah and so all the rest is fiction according to that story

52:57 Yeah. a terrible experiment they were working on. Now, some people are really good at lying. He's obviously, though, He knew exactly where everything was and he knew the people that worked there. poked into this a bit um supposedly there was a bar off base where the scientists and a lot of the aviators and people would go and hang out. stories offline I'm excited I can't wait for this to be over now um what other stories are

56:42 any explanation of where he was. There was a full manhunt going on. he wakes up next to a road hundreds of miles from where he was last seen. They saw a UFO blocking the road, stopped, got out of the car. I'm not sure. I want to look at that. I'm not aware of that one. I hadn't heard that one before. are visibly affected and physically ill and have red marks on their skin and very ill.

59:35 a couple or three hours uh west of here huh three live in pain and terror after attack by blazing UFO. Nobody has a good explanation for it. Engine stops. old TV show called truth or lies or something like that and they would put I don't know what the hypnotic regression was like, you know. and this is what he saw and this did you see something similar and then i don't know i'm

1:02:24 Yeah, so that had more credibility. abducted and became persuaded eventually that this was really happening to them in some cases, You can see Dr. Mack in the movie and get a sense of him as a person. They're looking for something. So easy to do. I think it relates to all those things. that purpose but the government's done a lot of research and i think there are things right now

1:05:36 but you'd have to probably be further down the path than we are today to know whether that could be a recalled memory. I don't know what I would get out of that, how much juice I would squeeze out of that. protect you. And, um, I, I would imagine that happens to these people when they see something like that And so this thing starts charging up at us.

1:08:08 I'm sure he was, you know, getting that. They just go nuclear immediately, not like a black bear. And part of me was questioning, is this a dream? He had a lot of better stories than mine. Like I said, able to get the safety off Probably. You know, and it's a little bit too late to be And then it came charging out an enormous black bear. So for a second or so, it was actually literally riding this bear's back.

1:11:35 They all had guns, but they didn't have the guns ready. They'll go to a carcass or shoot something, See if you can find this, Jamie, And apparently what had happened was he inadvertently stumbled upon a bear that had killed a moose. black bears you know don't treat a black bear and and take them down yeah uh they are And he's blown pepper spray from a tree stand at a grizzly bear.

1:14:49 photographer Montana I found the story I cannot find his Instagram page uh what's his name Carl You should. He was also there past the time when the bears were supposed to be hibernating. There's no doubt about that. they don't give a fuck about you like they don't love you back like they have these dead eyes these I mean, it really is. It's 10 or 15 or 20 people every year.

1:17:52 And the male swiped at the cub. It's just I think human beings have such a distorted idea of our place in the food chain. And by the time they're dead, all their bones are fucked up and their face is torn apart by other bears. unidentified aerial phenomena? The stigma, trying to get away from that loaded term. And part of That's interesting because both situations in a worst case could lead to a similar outcome.

1:20:37 employment, their location. this infinite ocean and the shores it washes up on and the things that are in the Chechnyans or the United States people. They're just human beings, right? Human beings And I think that would be the hope. Yeah. frightening in our anger and our ability to lash out and attack i would hope that these beings that can travel across the galaxy would be far past all that stuff that's best case scenario because

1:24:19 travel through the galaxy and they could just show up outside of nuclear bases in China Absolutely not. This is the conundrum. If I really knew, I couldn't say yes. forward and said, I was in the military and I was at this, you know, retrieve where I was a kid and and, you know, it'd just be locked away somewhere. with something that was incredibly top secret.

1:28:34 say there's like nine of them? Yeah. And different models and things. Some of the things you say it you know they could make a special exception in this case. which has billions of dollars in black programs, And the idea is amongst, you know, the UFO cognoscente is that they were aware that we And if we were to have a nuclear war, it might compromise that interest. So maybe they have a

1:32:19 there's all kinds of possibilities that are within the bounds of science. Maybe that's a feature of evolution. and maybe a little bit of a helping hand And it's possible that even by acknowledging this phenomenon, if we got to the point down the road where our government said, wow, there really is something from off planet coming here, it might help to resolve some of these differences and disputes between different countries.

1:34:47 There's a lot of people that claim to have seen things. There's got to be some shenanigans. deep inquiry of its own and produced a big book saying, I forget what the title was, but essentially well i think they were trying to explain some of the discrepancies and hopefully this would put it to bed um maybe it's just the truth um i you know i don't know uh what the motive was behind it um if you're

1:37:16 And then the next day they said it was a weather balloon. I've had people tell me, you know, people that have substantial scientific or military credentials that they believe is true. I think the people can handle it, the public. Oh, yeah. But wouldn't you like who's got the key and who you know and that person's dead right? So how does that torch get passed?

1:40:11 i think it's pretty delusional to think the government can't keep secrets like a crashed ufo And a policymaker can see that he can use his advantage in a debate over, you know, should we bomb around or something. The policymakers don't know about that stuff. Which, was this Bush or Obama? Yeah, I wonder how much they tell the president. That's the commander-in-chief of the greatest army the world's ever known but you can't know a lot of shit.

1:43:29 Yeah. There is a briefing the president gets, of course, shortly after being elected that covers a lot of the, you know, strategic nuclear warfare, some of the key top secret things that he really needs to know, has to know, should know. Well, in some cases, a lot of what they're doing is good stuff. the Energy and Public Works Committee. It's really mostly nuclear weapons related stuff that is secret, that is really,

1:46:27 about UAPs or UFOs or whatever you want to call them, And how would you even get to the right person? Yeah? And if the public saw it, it would shatter their belief in reality. neighbors, how you doing? You know, get the hell out of here and you're not supposed you can't tell any tell anybody anything i had my that was going to destroy the country, what do you do?

1:48:54 I think they made a decision that the panic would be awful but people are going to get hurt I think if we actually got to the point of saying, yeah, we're monitoring things now, we're seeing where they're coming it that we've ever spotted in the solar system, and that it's moving far too fast away from explains those anomalies, and he identified a number of anomalies. One of the things I found interesting, though, about it is here's an object, maybe discarded, maybe it's just an artifact,

1:51:48 Well, isn't it possible that this is one, like, look at what we're doing on Mars, right? including the fact that it's doing radical things we don't understand that seem like magic. We can't compare their technology. Yeah. NASA has now, and Congress has agreed You can't it's very difficult to get anybody to take that seriously I'm not sure which one.

1:55:11 was it denmark where was that guy one there was one guy from another country that in the ones that get through that process. There is an interesting one for the Mexican military. they've collected a great deal of information. They've had some incidents like we did in 52 where the capital of the U.S. was being overflown. But I will say there are some more videos like the ones that have been

1:58:04 going to come sneaking in here. Well, to find out this is going on, not like occasionally, but routinely. have no idea what it is. And you think the oversight committees would go, what the hell What did they estimate the speed at? That motherfucker doesn't believe shit. He has no regard for military personnel and their experience with these sensors and these

2:00:14 Yeah, he's an odd duck. It's not. That's it. Did you box with a target? What the? and they've also acknowledged that there was no compromise. It's flying. It's moving through some method of propulsion that can't be determined And then these guys finally get on it and somebody gets a lock on it. happening. And now we've finally getting some attention on a serious national security problem,

2:03:45 if they don't have the information of what's going on and what the possible threats are? But that doesn't mean that the object was necessarily super advanced craft. We've got to classify everything right away. even if it's a guy with an iPhone. There's nothing of national security interest. and factored into their unclassified judgment and report that's released.

2:07:40 The FLIR video that we haven't talked about much does show this instantaneous acceleration, which is another thing that we don't have. Forward Looking Infrared Radar. So that's four aviators all seeing the same thing in perfect conditions. is he's toggling also from looking at it in what looks like 1x, Yeah, that's bananas. that are probably five times greater than anything we've ever built could withstand.

2:10:35 There's also radar operators on the E2C Hawkeye, which was up there monitoring this, getting sporadic hits. You're talking about during the Nimitz round? were they coming down from. They picked There seems to be unlimited time on station. and it's going supersonic without making sound. so by saying that it manipulates space-time is there any theory of how

2:14:30 wouldn't feel those radical G-forces, in the physics community, well, it can't be this and it can't be that, inversion. And, you know, they just keep adding on as necessary new conditions, which they have no described that event. really clear they're being candid and their emotions are honest and they're befuddled like the rest of us. But there were other people speculating along those lines i

2:18:34 for the first time in the 2000s correct that sounds right yeah yeah so when he I've heard a lot of stories. what has been the most interesting story that you've heard there was um What about a body? are other stories tell me the story tell me the story well as I recall you probably know it better And then Jackie Gleason actually built a house that was shaped like a UFO.

2:22:17 We'll find out shortly. Yeah. Yeah. How long ago was this? So Nixon wasn't even president. Well, yeah. When he was there, I horrified. Maybe they just fucking pumped and lived near Jackie Gleason. Well, yeah. No. I don't know, dude. Well, what was $150,000 in 1976, though? it's probably one of the most if you watch that show today it's still very funny i would love for

2:25:06 He was hammered all the time. Yeah, he was a character. UFO researcher and author Larry Warren, an eyewitness to the Rendlesham Forest UFO incident, as if they had been in an accident. Jackie Gleason's wife, Beverly Gleason, told the same story to the magazine Esquire in 1974. The structure has no right angles. Okay, you lost me there. I have tried to keep it on national security and kind of nuts and bolts stuff.

2:27:50 When you talk to someone and they believe in UFOs, ask them what they think about psychics. know it's the mystery it's the wonder it's's the connection to something greater. Well, you know, they seem to have some individuals, And they will look you right in the eye, people with PhDs, night before doe with this you know one-armed guy spinning around. And, you know,

2:30:44 where we can get grounded and test something. Yeah, one-armed spinning guy, so I'm like, check, please. Yeah, Now we're getting back to physical science where we can, you know, get grounded. Yeah. it would cost billions of dollars. in some cases are sufficiently you know, one more or one less kind of thing. Like they're micromachined to a millionth of an inch or a few hundreds of an inch or something layered on top of one another with exotic – fairly exotic metals, bismuth and other things that people aren't normally using.

2:33:56 So I think the story behind this is, if I'm not mistaken, is that somebody got this from identified a conventional source for that material or use of it so it it's not like an alloy. It's a very intricate process. And what That's one theory I've heard. Curious and odd. It was silverish. So I probably did. One was an explosion of an object in Brazil for example so there are some there's some items out on the

2:38:35 Now, what can be done in terms of with the government? It can be done. So I think we're getting to the point, I hope we're getting to the point where people are saying, I don't think you need to, but I think we could more effectively coordinate space-related research, for example, in R&D than we do today. some new department? Department, that would like to get involved in researching this. And how many people have to be

2:42:45 to drive a number. There's a lot of databases like that where if we just pulled the data and had some contractors run it, And it was built and designed to detect nuclear weapons tests. But there's a lot of systems like that. We're not even mining that data. I would say the sort of hum or vibration like a transformer. it's just the size and velocity in the air that's displaced creates this this wave in the atmosphere

2:45:51 They might find nothing there. really weird stuff. And we see things in orbit and they're coming out of orbit and they're going monitoring our nuclear weapons, if that's going on, and there are a lot of reports, than trying to understand any kind of new technology and they may well listen to this podcast, for example. They've got some people trying to figure out what's going on with the Americas.

2:49:00 of the House, very prominent U.S. politician who was on a rare Cold War visit to the Soviet Union and saw this flying saucer from the train he was on and other people there saw it. been years where they've had more UFO reports, at least per capita, than we have. Really? Yeah. I would focus on how to get the answers to the key questions, Mining these anomalies can be very profitable.

2:52:00 some recent reports so you explain that to people? So what we're talking about is employees of the U.S. government in Havana, mostly, but and have a degree of deniability. or something or you know we don't really know but it's there seems to be a It does. that brought the entire construction to a halt. Known as the Great Seal Bug, He was talking about these bugs that were actually powered by, you know,

2:55:25 because halfway through the construction of the new U.S. embassy, they found in the concrete guy said it was vladimir putin's creations or you know from the soviet union he he has uh So this is a former U.S. senator. A big believer. it does for a person that's a, you're a serious person. It does open you up to ridicule. I mean you can't just bury your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist.

2:59:09 it, you're always welcome. Okay. Thank you, Joe.