Joe Rogan Experience #1658 — Neil deGrasse Tyson Transcript

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0:00 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day They're like eddies in the air currents Thank you. Right. I don't think you will certify it Austin is an old haunt of mine We were here when Austin, Texas had six gates at the airport. It's ridiculous, cute traffic, and the people are so nice. And I thought, you know, I saw a few of your shows and I said, you know, we can bring some deep philosophical thought back.

3:00 Oh, okay. Well, all these UFO disclosures. Yeah. I used to think that was a lot of money until I found out that is that what they get? No, I'm saying the mayor's office of Los Angeles. But that's just because the power was out and people were freaking out already. That's the... I mean, come on. Just imagine. Just randomly- It's a stupidly large number. And I still don't understand it

6:48 about the way the universe works and physics. Yeah, when they're less tense. This is an anthem for people who hate school. What else is school. a lot of momentum behind them of them hating school. Right when they start popping, the kids don't know what to do with them. that they're not smart. Well, I think we have similar, each of us, you and I, have similar challenges in a theater audience, right?

10:39 but nobody laughed. That's useful information to me. okay? I want to know if I'm succeeding or not And reactions are different. The educator is someone who faces the audience and wants to know, how is your brain wired for that I offer the other community demographic in the Yeah. Yeah, I remember everything. Bring it back to this alien thing. It actually flies through the air and then goes into the water.

14:11 Well, they talked about there was a white caps where they think it was submerged, I think. Yeah, it would be nice to know what that is. Other things are things people see in the sky with their own senses, right? So there are videos of buses tumbling in the winds of a tornado. Like bears walking on two feet? Yeah, bears, and one of them right at a traffic cone.

16:42 This is just a casual. They're mammals. Yeah. Now, the beak is only, what, an inch and a half long or an inch at most? And so it comes and it goes back and gets another stone, drops it in. So, now what's my broader point there that I was making? I just distracted myself. Okay. People said, Well, now you can stream live from your camera anything that's going on in front of you.

19:48 go viral instantly, but there's none. So I'm just saying, I'm thinking if we were being visited, where no one is around, which is the ocean. In the ocean. You have to say that. my research interest, in devoting time to finding it out. But it definitely has excited other about biological entities flying through the universe like why do that right when you have

22:38 We can do all that. with Commander David Fravor of the Navy, who encountered with one or two other jets off of the Nimitz, they encountered second. You're stating What you say is, we have sensors that told us this is what happened. Okay. No, the actual visual on the craft. intelligent aliens from another planet. Go to a scientific conference and watch the level of

25:31 Right. Nobody understood. So, yeah, I got the 12, and yeah, I can still do this. I was like on a roll, and... There must be another planet out there, a planet X. So you just make a quick equation out of that. Right. And he said, I want to find planet X because something's perturbing Neptune. That's not some kind of weird – it's like you're moving differently.

28:50 But over the decades, the mass of Pluto got lower and lower and lower as our estimates got more and more accurate. So the search for Planet X continued. gearbox. It was some mechanical adjustment that was made. He said, I wonder if that had an effect on the positioning of this telescope. we probably would have been a long time from your sensors. When it might have just simply been a glitch or multiple glitches or anything.

32:26 But it's the tiniest and the littlest, and it's got a weird orbit that crosses the orbit of other planets. speculation. Now, I read this quite a while ago, so forgive me. But there was some speculation that we might be in some sort of a binary star system, There was a while there where we looked at the extinction records So someone suggested maybe So we wouldn't have seen it in our civilization because this is, all right.

35:02 It turned out it had been filtered in a way that revealed rhythms Okay? galaxy, that disrupts the Kuiper Belt as well. And that lodges, you know, it's basically the When you think about this idea of everyone having these video cameras in their pocket and high-resolution imagery and that where is that stuff? the entrance to the cave and you check it every day for a month and there are no bear prints

38:25 So it's the thing where you can't prove a negative. And it works. How many people are out in the middle of the ocean? Way more commercial carriers than military vehicles. Again, you get the more – I don't know what I'm looking at yeah but it was it was it detailed did you have if you binary decision here. I don't think there's things in most of those crafts, but I think those crafts are some kind of drone.

41:36 Fine, go invest resources to figure it out, is a trickle effect. I don't think we're that interesting. Who you want to have beer with. Here's how I think about another planet. you must kill something that was alive to survive. In fact, I'm intrigued that vegetarians in particular will focus on the baby version of the plant they would otherwise be eating.

45:10 photosynthesizes. Okay? So all living creatures on that planet consume sunlight from their home star. Okay? And so they say, I want to explore the galaxy. And so they build a spaceship and Oh, it's different? say... Nothing that uses photosynthesis Yes. And the oak tree produces... Can I name drop? I'll tell him. So I said, let's talk E.T. And if you think outside of an earth box, there you go.

48:43 Going right on back to War of the Worlds with H.G. Wells. Well, it's one of the rare ones where the aliens- That's all I'm saying. Anytime one civilization with higher technology encounters one with lesser technology. That's that's that title has no meaning What do you think this whole ramping up of all this information is? So he put that in? I don't have a problem with that. What's weird though is this somehow – this belief that somehow the government is some repository of knowledge and secrets that we don't otherwise have access to.

52:46 Yeah. is, whether it's some sort of gravity distorting or gravity-based technology, that that could that's so yeah if it's actually a thing yeah we have no there's no physics that explains it that we know without anybody having any access to any of the technology in these incremental forms? but let's imagine a deep black ops where, review data and to share ideas? And it also presumes that the government has the best

56:55 They may be and maybe maybe it's happened before but when I'm hearing about these things flying around and I'm seeing what we're doing on Mars By the way, they had an error in one of the movies where they're coming to Earth and they go by the moon. They should just see the base. We're on the case here. Then they get captured and we want to mine them for the technology that's in them.

58:33 Quantum physics was invented. Yeah, I never watched the Transformers, man. it's okay. The rest of it, no. Yeah, fuck outta here. Frozen forever and then they discovered it they were like It could ooze under the door. I don't even remember that movie much We're partially created by whatever technology is available at the time, whether it's 100 years from now or 500 years from now.

1:01:30 Better living through chemistry. So, now you want to do it mechanically because that requires material science and that's a much later field than chemistry was developed in order to contribute to what our lives are. Why would you do that when the entire internet is in your palm of your hand? But like much smarter. What he's saying is One of the things that Elon said to me is

1:03:22 Now you want to accelerate that by a Maybe when people are acutely aware of what they actually know. Want to see a nugget of wisdom? By the way, I'm all in for wisdom. Correct. Correct. when the internet came up Yeah, it was very early. That's pretty brilliant. 93, wow. But we had, you know had very large, clumsy computers, Oh yeah, I saw the trends.

1:06:54 And there's very little misinformation on it. because back then anyone could edit any page at all oh right all right and they now have certain What was your good idea? sleep or whatever. doing a book report or any kind of report and you're citing wiki pages, you would have a side index that tells you this page is rife with conflicting and contested edits. Now that I

1:09:32 we're talking about improvements in the way the human brain works with a symbiotic relationship You do. I'm going to probably get a hole in my head and stick it in there. And I had them. Yeah, they had them many, many years ago really Oh, no, I was early and I had yeah, they had them many many years before yeah If it's clear and glaringly obvious, if you and I are talking and I start talking to you and all of a sudden a green light pops up, which indicates I'm full of shit. You'll see it and I'm like, oh, my green light's showing.

1:11:39 Unintended deception. So everyone has a lie detector. That's just what they saw. 5'8". I don't know. We'd have to bust But if I have a truth serum and I say, was it a mile? Forget I came up with that idea. They're trying to rip you off with a pie-in-the-sky idea. Okay, you know Because you want to believe what he's doing. So as a scientist, He was always in the positive.

1:16:34 Like the idea behind any of these technologies is they're going to improve the way human beings communicate with each other. Rationality falls just as much on the victim of that scheme as it is on the person perpetrating the scheme. No. That – you can nail that. So he made up a lot of stuff that's in this picture but that's not what he saw but it's what he felt well it's just i value how people feel yeah sure that's artistic interpretation that

1:19:14 and the little tiny bodies. Yeah, I think the thinking is that they're in the future so complicated and there's so many different layers of emotions and the history of your own It's creative. It's not a lie. They're not pretending. So you have to have, in addition to your lie meter, you have to judge whether someone is being creative in the thing they're telling you that's not true.

1:21:07 Okay. Is there some fallout from that we do that are ultimately done for good, but turn out to be really bad. Right. That could be the So make sure we have time for that. I wanted you to finish your point. Integrated into who you are as a person, You're going to be able to do things without Our ability to use personality and charisma and language and to be more articulate and impressive in the way you talk to have a different impact on the way a person receives your thoughts.

1:24:02 And they think that might have contributed to us becoming what we are. Well, technology was automating things. So there are things that, take a look at computing. There was an era where the bigger real action was in information. Information is what became cheap, not energy. And when information Because other things come in from the side that you don't anticipate. And when they come in from the side, it is not an extrapolation of what you're doing now. It is something you didn't

1:27:13 did not have a rocket to carry people that wouldn't blow up on the launch pad. We weren't Why? Do you ever do the self-driving thing? I even paid a couple of dollars, the extra dollars to get that. Most of the time I don't though, honestly. Let's not do that. The Tesla tells me on the screen changing suspension because of a bumpy road ahead. I said, how does it know it's a bumpy road ahead?

1:29:33 My analogy to this is the buggy whips, the carriages, the stables, They can't wait until the self-driving car. Oh, God. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. There are people today who like riding horses. The government built the freaking highway. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, we're not talking about the HOV lane. Yes. And then a drone drops it off that afternoon, and you use it, and then it takes it back.

1:33:04 I think he's buying roof rights for drone landings. That is the actual fact of it, right? But you can't even browse it. He's got a business idea. I can tell you this you know did I imagine ten years ago that when I ordered something on the internet I So Jeff Bezos did that to you. Oh yeah, well I'm just joking around Yachts are a whole other thing.

1:35:47 you. Describe it to me. I'll tell you why it's stupid. I was on Charles Simone's yacht. He's On the yacht. wrap my head around that. I couldn't, that was just a little weird to me. And he's got a chopper on the top. Bezos' yacht has a yacht? That doesn't include the cost. Yeah. Woo. Oh, some other thing. If you get out in the middle of the ocean. I'll do whatever you want.

1:38:53 Whoa. Do you search tweets? A year. In 2007. year. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. With what's left over. Right, and he seems relatively healthy. Yeah, like he's fit works out a lot That's right. Was he really? You might get electrocuted, but let's do it. empire and also is in many ways like Elon fascinated with technological growth. He's got this deep... What is this?

1:41:44 wonder are they just just gonna leave us You know? Well, that's my segue, my awkward segue to the book I just published. how did it all begin? What's it all made of? Are we alone in the universe? That's not true. Is it brie, roquefort? And every direction Santa points is due south. I am assuming you're not a flat earther. You know not to ask that because the earth's surface

1:45:51 All right. And if it grows, that meant he was telling the truth. Do I look fat in this outfit Well, I would assume he just got done lying, so his nose is probably growing. sense to yourself in that sequence no i did make sense if pinocchio's nose was not growing and he with his nose in any truthful way Right. and it's not growing. and the rules that apply

1:48:30 So now we ask, what was around before the universe began? There was no evidence for that, but we had no reason to think any other way about it. And it doesn't even go there, Let's run the day before. Right. That's an important and interesting question. And it's really, it's not as deep as you might want to think it is. The electrons are not part of the atoms.

1:52:15 or on the other side of that plasma. The electrons combine with the atoms. Now when you're measuring something that is, There are surely objects farther away. Oh, wow. So how is it we can see the birth of the universe? from 15 billion years ago. They are now being born. I'm seeing them be. So as long as there of the universe. in the equations, but the data has never supported that. And all data support a one-way

1:57:36 and given what we know, So the galaxies will no longer be able to hold together because the expansion of the universe is now manifesting at a local level rather than on a much larger level. And so the expansion will ultimately hit that. What could potentially cause it to be checked? Me and Jamie would talk shit about you. It shouldn't. And then what happens?

2:01:13 Did you even know that a pixel was a unit of measurement of the fabric of the universe? No worries. Wow. Heavy. Jamie I'm betting UFOs, no. No? Wow. Heavy. I bet it's us. We're crazy. If something puts it in check, And that's a less interesting fate than a big rip. Can I pause you right here? and that infinite universe contains an infinite number of other bubbles. But our bubble is essentially, as we can measure it, 13.8 billion light years across.

2:04:15 Well, what has the universe been doing for 14.8 billion years? The idea that each one of these this. That applies to big macroscopic things. I'm good with that. No problem. Quantum physics Let's say you have a hill that goes down, And it turns out this process is not limited to happening once. This would be the claim. You're a twin, but maybe there's a little difference or not. Correct.

2:07:52 I wouldn't want that because that would be... That's a different manifestation of this process. A wild west of physics? Is that right? what is your process? Do you sit alone in your office and sit in front of a laptop and start We're going to look for water. And it could be a spark. What is your this? No, no. I did, well, did you think about any, did you create anything?

2:12:02 That's a nice excuse for a lot of lazy people out there. I'm just trying to be creative, man. And some of those folks have written popular level books. But now you want to make sure, but add to that, maybe you are so diverse in what you So that makes sense, you know, as a headline. studying what's inside your body. Were there doctors that discovered radio?

2:14:58 Wilhelm Röntgen. And so some of the greatest advances in my field came about because chemists were in the coffee lounge at the same time we were. But science, most science today does not unfold that way. Who's a biologist and we came up with an idea together? ways, but because he's a biologist and I'm not, of thing. And then if it's good and it's successful, then, and the public wants to know about it,

2:18:00 but in terms of like specifics. I monitor this and I make mental inventory it with comedians? And do you like actively curate these comedians? Do you go to comedy clubs? So he's not only smart. this this is what beyonce did or this is what some politicians said or this is what Beyonce did, or this is what some politician said, or this is what the Pope was thinking about. And when you come to me with a pop culture scaffold,

2:21:56 That's important information for me. flunk the test. Every student who flunks learning, so that must mean I suck at my job? I'm sure someone said that. Yeah, that's hard. And you're doing this all under all this heavy scrutiny. I mean, The tweet is... please read this link before doing so. Because I knew people might want to try because so many people retweeted it.

2:26:24 You're talking about- No, they just screamed, Well, I'm just saying that, yeah, so the Stakeham one, there's some informed people there, I So that accounts for why you didn't read this link. Had you read this link? And then I tried Thank you. Yeah. In a free country, no one is going to take that from you. And so I studied that and I said, all right, I'm not going to tell them, give me the word truth because you're not describing truth, you're describing belief.

2:29:42 A political truth is something that becomes true in your head because it was repeated In modern times, we have co-opted that feature of human evolution. like the fact that Earth is round, the sun is hot, there's thermonuclear fusion in the core, So if you're going to say – you should see the responses in here. And what was the state of research at the time?

2:32:56 is actually true. We need verification from other studies. They don't say that typically, But then you find it's not that a political truth if it's repeated enough, I call that a political truth, but it's also a kind of a, there are other truths. So, for example, you've heard this. That premise is false. And Morgan Freeman's in it. Oh, you lost your language. Damage of the brain. Oh, you lost your language.

2:35:09 Overnight, that became we only use 10% of our brain. They could have just given her some other power, but they went with that 10% thing. Do they have an inkling of kinetic powers over objects in front of them If you're smarter than everybody, you'll do smart things. There's no way telekinetics is real? People get so upset if you say that. Right? What do you think about psychic ability?

2:37:38 Okay. They're like, they run around the woods and they catch a scent. Okay, so a dog's good. in that situation. to be a very important psychic, I think, in Russia. And she sees events and she can look at frauds. Exposes frauds and claims. There is a woman who claimed to be a very important psychic, I think, in Russia. Although that's the number one major in colleges in the United States.

2:39:38 The photo was of Ted Bundy? Yeah. They said go to her go to her. That's what he did. What else do you want him to do? I've seen no evidence that it does, that it does work that way. well One thing would be if you hitting on if you're hitting on something at random you don't really know you're guessing What is emergence? Something slowly but surely.

2:43:24 It's a coin toss thing. Line up 1,000 people. It's a coin toss thing. We have 250 people. So what does the press do? The press goes to that person. That person flipped heads 10 consecutive times. No, they don't even get interviewed. they were gonna be rock stars, imagined. I envisioned it, and I made it happen. And stay-at-home dads. Yeah, okay. But he left religion outside the lab when he walked in.

2:46:42 I don't see anything. Doing this over here made something else happen over there. There's material. Deeply interesting. Why is that something that's so compelling and has been so prevalent throughout history? You got to take some physics and some math and you learn some astrophysics and you could predict that too. Less of it today because we know more about dreams and things.

2:51:01 And we know that the planets have an effect on you the same amount of gravity same tidal force on the earth and on you as a No. about that for the moment. So the moon stretches the tide. That's called the tidal force on the Okay, so now- That's a heavy one. So now, why are high tides higher during full moon? And, oh, when we have full moon, No, it doesn't.

2:54:38 If the moon affects the tides, wouldn't it affect the water in your body? So you have to ask, how much stronger is the moon's gravity from one side of your head It was something like a millionth the force that's operating on your head from the weight Oh. So Shakespeare knew this. that there's more activity during a full moon. A full moon is the only phase that rises at sunset and sets at sunrise. So it's up all night. You go

2:57:39 So the food to the untrained eye the moon is full for about four days And so, yeah, you can see more things going on at night and possibly get into more trouble that way. And the moon yanks the baby out. oh, it's mysterious, it's aliens, it's magic, it's this. Or you can say, is there another reason? Turns out a cycle of moon phases is 29 and a half days.

3:00:15 If you went to full term. Where's your romance? I'm going to get a picture of you Do I get to wear my hat? All right, go ahead. I'm in Texas now. We went everywhere today. there when they relate to the content i did all my tweets and some of the boxes that and someone I did my other books. Well, I mean, I think I come and give a talk. It has to land.

3:02:25 I'll give you a shout out.