Joe Rogan Experience #1668 — Krystal Ball & Saagar Enjeti Transcript

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0:00 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day I got kids. so thank you no no question terrible person to take advice like that from because i'm always like it the way that we want and just having all the like big stuff out of your mind Congress. And I was like, this creates really perverse incentives because you have all these

2:48 literally put me on the phone with them. and talk to Maxine Waters. And so in the back of my mind, I'm like, can I say whatever the fuck I want about Maxine Waters? there were things too like i didn't even want because the whole ethos of our show is we're against Chevron for the horrific things that they did in Ecuador and basically like destroyed the

4:44 because the Hill's taking money from the American Petroleum amazing i mean it i mean i got you Maxine, you can't control me now. and you see things I went on Google and I was looking at who TikTok has been hiring. on the show what do you think happens tiktok calls somebody over at the hill and says saga is Thank you, But again, is a Chinese telecom company. And

7:41 Everyone takes money from Huawei. But the overall model is in free fall. of his whole attack on the media was the best thing that ever happened to the media. is just someone who look may get it wrong sometimes but is really just And then Will and Kate's, that's it. Well, there's a few of these things that are happening, Yeah. He looks panicked. So we later found out

10:16 so that he could go so I get it. That movie, Vin Diesel begged to open that movie in China because all of their opening dollars come from China. This one doesn't have The Rock? That's outrageous. owned by NBC, who's owned by Comcast, all have business in China. And Hollywood, Disney, and all people in China. They basically maxed out market penetration whenever it comes to the US. But these are American companies. We made these. And Americans need to ask, is it cool that the richest and most powerful people in this country are sold out to China? I'm John, but... The country's not about anything other than money. I mean, we just abandon every value

12:57 It's about power. it's despicable. They intentionally make sure they cannot move up the percent black and brown. Amazon intentionally, and this is what the New York Times revealed, People need to understand that. who don't understand how it works over there. two minute break while you're in there. And the whole thing around Amazon and why everyone should

16:01 book on Amazon. Shout out to him. Talked about how Dayton was like this Silicon Valley of America in the 1900s, you know, manufacturing, Now it's basically like McDonald's, Dairy Queen, and Amazon. But increasingly becoming aware of the price of what it takes to do overnight delivery to your house at 4 a.m. in the morning Right. And this happened publicly.

18:29 What he would say is that our nature as humans is to expend as little energy as possible to get what we want or need. That was embedded throughout the business, from the ease of instant ordering to the pervasive use of data to get the most out of employees. So It's not like they're specifically targeting It's, you know, it's a really abhorrent way of viewing human beings, essentially.

20:09 You can't put it on a scale. It's been alleged that he's barked out questions. This isn't the New York Times article I was referencing where they actually, they talked to the workers. Isn't that one of the knocks on him? because to what Crystal was referencing, do you? And he was like, yeah, I i do and then all of these former amazon employees and current started reporting official like company guidance around peeing and shitting

22:49 And my name's Bob. Is that a real person? Oh my God, they used his face? But how do you know? instead of the execs. Yeah, there was a conference. I do. and they'll assemble your shit for you, your furniture or whatever. room of choice, unpack, and assemble it according It's like the thing that you put your feet on. do is they drop it off and then they unbox

25:55 Yeah, that's a good question. But still, unpack it, and install it. What if they have stairs? it it's not like a human being even bothers to tell you you're fired you just get a notification No one's happy with just things being flat. It's a non-governmental institution of people who band together and then use their collective power in negotiation with management.

28:18 get this, but don't you goddamn dare unionize. And it's not just Amazon. Walmart, I think, horrific, where it aggregated like a FOIA thing of all of the suicide calls from Amazon warehouses. problem with our labor market is that our current workforce does not have enough power to negotiate problems. That being said, there's a lot, obviously, to the engine of why we are the

30:51 especially in the industrial Midwest. But China's going to become more liberal and free and open. scales where workers that had more power within the workplace. You had fewer of these gigantic et cetera, et cetera. And it's become wildly unbalanced so that if not a majority close to a majority of the population, it really is very hard to live. And they're the only ones hiring.

33:10 And that's exactly what happened. that was made. There was this false choice where they said well you can either have your job or you can have lockdown well we didn't It's because the Walmarts of the world have power. Absolutely. It became becoming pro lockdown became. And so when Trump was anti-lockdown, short circuit, it's over. Brilliant. Wait, I haven't seen it yet.

35:27 Because he's a huge lib now. He's like this pure Biden lib. this is a big part of the problem with Hollywood in general, is that you really but he was always willing to take shots and call out hypocrisy wherever he saw it. If you only attack the people that are on the right, no one listens to you. this is like let's play this because it's so goddamn good let's scoot a little in there

37:46 That's right. which was more than likely caused by science. I just don't know. respiratory coronavirus lab. mm, a pangolin kissed a turtle. How did that happen? He's so uncomfortable. Oh, now he's looking into it. In February. criticizing me is the same as attacking science i I think he even used the third person. And there was a scientist in the emails that was reaching out to him saying, when you examine

42:32 moving to the moon and what's even worse joe is he was actually the person who ring who was the about offending china and we're supposed to believe that these people are completely unbiased i was function research, directs this funding to EcoHealth Alliance, Dr. Peter Daszak, who then And he goes, well, what else can we do? And the deputy director says, before this, China had no experience in BSL

45:22 This is actually amazing. And it's in and of itself very dangerous because these things do leak from labs relatively routinely. So they're trying to play these games saying it's not technically gain of function. i mean there are these signs in washington dc of people's yards i don't know if you have them here But there was another element, too. from that lab. So that was really the thing that put this all off the table was this strategic

48:33 35 percent of this popular, you could have smoking gun proof. Their lab leak theory was true. funds explicitly directed towards novel coronavirus research, which led to the worst pandemic in a system, you need access to those dollars to keep your lab afloat. Like for my dad is a professor whole business. It's a multi-billion dollar, I mean, it's an industry because it's about research.

51:13 And regular people, this is what bothers me most about the mainstream media. avoid it in the future. That would be a good thing. But number two, it really does reveal And they just were absolutely complicit in a total cover-up But don't you think that that's teetering almost Cuomo-like right now? Well, someone was talking to him about, what do we do about the unvaccinated people?

53:52 fascinating i think around all of that is because you're seeing the price of the culture war in real Because someone called somebody that and he said, did this person say that word? But you don't pose a risk to me because I am vaccinated. This is crazy. And then the media fed this like, you know, the left media, it was like the people who are, This is what I was saying to Donald McNeil thing, because I want people to know this.

56:56 That's the culture of the entire elite media class, which is they they we there was this Oh, yes. one was trump supporters i think white supremacy was probably like number two or three and for disaster it's your neighbor and that situation cannot persist in america i mean that doesn't Everyone's doing it on their own. We believe in making people hate each other less and hate the corrupt ruling class more.

59:11 January 6th commission? Senator, do you support against January 6th commission? What about, you because it highlights the reasons why a guy like Donald Trump Now they're a thing. conversation of the D.C. is that day, And so for the fact that January 6th continues to dominate American politics, I agree with give his bosses something to air on the nightly news that day, which is part of the editorial agenda. The Fox News reporter has to do the same thing. And it comes together to mask

1:02:06 January 6th was like a case study in all that's gone wrong in the country. going to really get to the root of what's going on, it would implicate too many Democrats as well trying to get to the roots of how you end up in a fucking How do you define domestic extremism? coming plot, et cetera, et cetera. They get elevated in the media. Their career flourishes.

1:05:19 OK, a lot of people use the phone in order to do all kinds of shit. Unfettered. And this is what I want to underscore, is that when you allow this to happen in the People were storming the Capitol. obama voter was an obama voter not that long ago and the union he was i think he was part of a that in trump they were able to say fuck you that was their one that's all they have left

1:08:27 I'm like, no, that was terrible. you had to be a bath party member if you wanted to take out the trash or the military, the police, very soon. I even saw, I don't want to attribute the quote directly to him, but I saw some suggestions somewhere about like, these are the type of people we would drone strike they gave this kid a fake bomb they talked him into it he thought he was in with al-qaeda right

1:11:18 Where was Herald Square? says, I need to talk to my mom about this. Okay. This is the sort of like horrible terrorist threat Yep. and all I'm saying is I don't want to Because that's the real concern. where they're very isolated and they don't know anybody Yeah, me too. like with the domestic surveillance, you know, when it was the war on terror, you had a lot of

1:14:15 Right. Because the issue is, look at, okay, Baker, I'm sorry. Correct. If you'd had it properly manned. It's like aliens were coming. no preparation. The problem is that they didn't take it seriously. We were unable to access it. And here's the thing. Yeah, 500. Still $500 million. It's the people's house. It was the most shameful response that I have seen yet. And then the domestic terrorism thing

1:19:13 people or something well you should buy this thing and buy a ticket to come to this convention the Congratulations. it was like months ago are they domestic extremists yeah maybe according to those are None of that do that. to benefit your political cause, you need to put that aside. This has to be about, you asked what So it does put us in a very vulnerable and dangerous situation.

1:22:19 right like we're only fucked with because we've allowed our population to basically be ripped apart. Florida as well, which is that you have the professional managerial class basically concentrating in these mega urban environments. actually saw that zip codes were completely being ripped apart by education level. And the more that this But let's say I stayed there.

1:24:01 There's a lot of social family benefits that come from a lot of this, which actually make us a more cohesive society. But our economy is basically ripping is that they have an immense cultural power that they are projecting onto the rest of the country. It's like Bethesda, Loudoun County, Fairfax, and all these people, it becomes this business of hating one

1:26:02 We're a very young country. We're not not united by blood we're not united by generally like common cult like i'm you know my European democracies as well, on class and income inequality and like the way that these societies Where's the balancing of the scales so that at least, you know, you got a fighting shot if you're a working you throw up a Black Lives Matter banner, even as you're screwing over your black and brown, it doesn't matter.

1:28:33 It was one of my favorite political moments ever because it was so transparent. That doesn't have any legislation. in order to have peace. Correct. He talks about kayfabe all the time. That was one of the things any of these substances. is now decriminalized No, microdose. But is it worth having... My daughter's finally abandoned Roblox. And so she'll have two iPads going on one that's FaceTiming.

1:31:40 she's constructed. money that you have to pay during the game that's right and like on my phone i get these alerts And all the other kids were like, oh, my God, that's me too. a hyper-personalized algorithm, are you? it's not bad. Yeah. Jerry Eclipse So my 13-year-old is very into TikTok. But I mean, from their recommendation algorithm, basically, as I understand it,

1:34:21 and it boils it down to what social media's job actually is, because that is the best. The creator, yeah. by China now, right? China, which was basically, we are not going to have to renew free trade relations with China, American Factory, which is on Netflix. Oh, that is actually fantastic. It's like this. Yeah, It's a really good documentary. When I see Obama talk, I'm like, I think this is a guy that was an idealistic young man that entered into politics and slowly became intertwined in an unfixable system.

1:37:20 Our friend Matt Stoller calls him the Instagram president because his first trip after presidency is going hanging out with like billionaire Richard Branson. Right. And he beat Hillary. he basically allowed himself to get co-opted by the political system. He did not realize that he So it was the worst of all worlds. Because when Wall Street collapsed, they bailed out all these guys.

1:41:01 Let's bail out the banks and have zero accountability and not send a single banker to Anything that was remotely hot button. They asked about Israel, of course. They asked about Iran, and avoiding anything that might be remotely controversial. And then I listened to it and it's worse than I thought. But isn't he worth like a half a billion dollars?

1:42:59 But he's okay. i never used to have those falling off things like falling off mountains falling out of trees that can kind of just plow through Because it's so, I'm close to death. Like, maybe I can get another 20 out of my body before I collapse. And so. breathing exercises but i i know in the back of my, I play the most fucked up game. How many extra minutes?

1:45:27 Because I know you listen to audiobooks. other people. He's a huge part of that story. And, you know, it's an interesting subject, right, Yes. And then you look at what happened during the COVID pandemic where all of a sudden there was these trillions of dollars that were allocated to these major corporations to make sure that they didn't fail. or there's gang violence and maybe there's no family around them and maybe the only family

1:49:05 Like, he presided over the largest drop in black wealth in modern American history, What you're talking about, though, it really goes very deep because what you're talking about is it turns the american dream larger problems in the country and seeing where the blame really lies, I turn it inward to, no fucking chance. can beat a man who's a skilled 265-pound man

1:51:54 there's the two of them together. He's incredible. We make weight classes If you have some kid schools. Another problem that we talk about. this realm where this you tend to try to adopt their values and that's what you admire when you're around a bunch of to be an athlete? You know, where you go in some of these towns in southern West Virginia that were coal mining towns.

1:54:29 through their day. If you're a patriot, if you're a person who believes in exception, like exceptional Americans, this is why I think including MDMA, conflict that are so unnecessary. And if we could figure out a way to allocate money to help these ones to be safe and happy we want everybody to have a good living we want everybody to be able It's not intentional.

1:57:25 How dare you know that everybody, think that everybody knows that? That kid is like, I worked my fucking ass off and I got my ass. Why doesn't their mom get them a tutor? they feel zero obligation to their fellow American. continue losing their place. And you have the richest people in our country who genuinely It was like 500 bucks a month. realize like the whole thing is dependent on people having zero choice, right, in terms of their employers. They can't opt out, being so locked into this thing that they have zero breathing room.

2:01:20 To pick and choose rather than just having to take this one thing that you might have a little bit of a luxury to wait. So you have at the working class, you have massive shifts in terms of the type of work pandemic, I don't think we have any idea. But there are going to be massive ramifications for Well, we said, no, let them quit, file for unemployment.

2:03:24 There was some success in this paycheck protection program. It was a total fucking mess. supplemental three hundred dollars a week of unemployment insurance going to people because Of course. automatic salary raise or whatever. Well, I think you could make it transferable. Managed this situation in a much better way where they gave people more time and more money and they relaxed all their standards. They had some sort of mediation where they came to a conclusion like, listen,

2:06:33 He's flying rockets and shit. He's a fucking psycho. You know, like Signal, like disappearing messages? No, uh-uh. them to get full access to his phone. How fucked up is that? when in reality, because he owns the Washington Post, the reality is whole like moral fight when it was really like a family squabble has this been proven this is all Can you imagine, I don't even.

2:09:14 mentality of wanting more and more like do you get that because that's what i get it that's the If you find out you can get 1,000, you get that 1,000. a characteristic of people who become wildly that what he's doing is trying to be wildly wealthy. Oh, now he has space. But there needs to be something in which he's kicking ass cuz he obviously was no disrespect Jeff

2:11:15 actually work your traps. Traps actually go up. and do it where he gets some criticism, I'm a fucking giant customer. See, like, all you do is business this inclination, by the way giant Howard Stern fan I think he's the number one reason why I can do what I do if He's the first guy that started talking about real shit saying we got to get celebrities.

2:13:58 Come over here. to talk to some interesting people X amount of downloads, three hours with no phones, with no nothing and talk to me about his theory about how I don't want to worry about money. Right. you know, it's just all of it gets crazy, right? whatever the fuck she wants. You still have billions. Because now he has billions. I'm like, what is Leon Black?

2:17:23 for fucking tax advice. He's like, I'm facilitating, Like he took an interest in them. so he took and facilitated this whole network and gates is young ladies and then say, you know what I can do Yeah. let's assume Yeah. that dances the way he dances. If I saw that, Look at him. I see him as a human being. And I see where he is as a human story, where it's an amazingly alien proposition to be a man who is worth 150 billion dollars it's fucking bananas

2:20:55 Bill Gates basically controls public health. And that's not to say that he hasn't done some good No, the factory owners are like, no, actually, we're ready. So, yeah, they're full of a pack of lies. Or one of the factories. funded thing for profit and all things for profit eventually lean towards generating the most amount Every single new drug developed by the public research.

2:23:58 When you have it just be about profits, and profits are the only, like, what are you incentivizing? When I think about drug legalization, it's the same thing that I'm concerned about. to bear. And there's actually, I forget what the terminology is called, where whenever so Big fight happening right now in D.C. And all the benefits that come from that are massive.

2:26:38 a lot of people drive here more than up North. So we're talking about user fees, average working money in your bank account, like, oh, then we're going to waive this fee or, you know, all these people, they're paying nothing in taxes. interesting is apparently in that very first Supreme court case that said like, essentially We're talking about how he gets paid in loans.

2:29:09 You have that $150 billion in the bank. So he pays California state taxes. It's not illegal. the money. This is around capital gains because I'm sure Like, So I'm giving up all my homes. Like, this is why, He's thinking about putting people on Mars. which is insane. And you know, really too, around the billionaire conversation, in terms of the whole Robin Hood thing,

2:32:02 and we're, even Bezos. And if you do that at scale, you become a billionaire. I've got issues with Oprah, too. that they can avoid paying essentially any taxes on what they're doing. And look, this isn't just or the person who's like delivering this or security guard or whatever, it means to make twenty five thousand dollars a year in america you're fucking poor you are a

2:35:09 And so you're much, much, much more likely to be audited if you are a working class person than if you're a wealthy person. Exactly. Like working with money that's electronic. That's true. But I think just as real as that is this sense of like, what am I even doing here? Some people learn how to achieve goals or work hard or have dreams. choice that they can make. I would be really I'm sorry. No, there's a big debate on the right right

2:38:48 we are basically failing our civilizational priority, which is replacing itself. I can't afford in order to change my life. This is what they tell. credits. Here's one of the most insanely go bankrupt. When they're 18. Shout out to the parents. And that affects what you know what public goods public goods yeah what the fuck is more public good than education than investing

2:42:21 It's cult stuff. And I think it comes from this sense of, like, you know, people feel that things are very chaotic. And now you have this really rigid ideology that if you step out of line even a little bit, you know, everyone's going to come for you. it the biggest change i was actually recently talking with this guy frank di stefano on my acknowledge right that we had these out so he couldn't come on as a guest on your show

2:44:45 Even though he was one of the highest traffic. You understand collaboration on the internet, which is that on YouTube, among podcasting and more, all these people with, I mean, technically, I guess, competing subscription products, And so is Matt. He's so brave brave and it's so fucking president was going after him literally they were trying to put him in jail yeah these

2:47:30 He doesn't care. Oh, I can't even describe it. And then you have guys like Glenn and you have guys like Matt who wrote this whole thing And his first, I think, first question, I don't want to say too much, but one of his questions to her in his very limited airtime on cable news was, what does the press get wrong about the Biden administration? Right.

2:50:18 And that is why I personally I barely identify with them anymore. So when you think of yourself as a right-wing person, do you think of yourself as a fiscally right-wing person? That's a positive trend. Matthew Walther is called rise of the barstool conservatives so if you were to ask me who I very pro-business. This is where my politics change a little bit because I'm extraordinarily

2:52:31 financial system making it so what i was talking about people being able to get married and more And you know that's horseshit. old act and uh they're like hey here's my nixon impression and people are like who the fuck is towards trump here in south texas yes so in laredo for example and mccallan just elected a gop mayor intelligentsia and elite now this is all easier said than done because what's crystal immediately

2:55:09 for billionaires to not pay any I mean, I think that you're supposed to pay. to dim the sun anymore. He is involved in so many of the conspiracy theories. and ruin our Sumer and his his idea out of all this stuff, and he wrote all these books about it, was that there If you think this is obviously. and they give you a cow. Zechariah Sitchin believed and you know

2:59:05 correct order. It's like sitcheniswrong.com. I mean, Zechariah Sitchin wrote this book in the fucking 70s. Oh, okay. does this one fucking billionaire want to vaccinate everybody why is this one billionaire want to dispute that. But then I've seen so many that accounting for more than 269,000 acres. Bill Gates is a McDonald's fucking potato farmer.

3:02:02 That's the project. It wasn't even proposed as a theory about or a possible solution to global warming unusual and it's just it's like gold plating that's why gold plating is so interesting the It's, this is deciphering the oldest language known to man. wrong on the second count all my crazy shit who are I was like, I got these rare meats in my freezer.

3:04:25 Yeah. conspiracy. He was talking about the actual hancock in particular like you had hancock on over a decade ago the archaeology community said he was totally full of shit He was the worst guess I've ever had about UFOs. That's actually a problem in some of these areas that are like pushed down in the mainstream that I had never been in the woods around bears and so he was talking about these uh these sounds

3:07:10 You can find videos of it Bears fighting sounds grizzly man is like the best unintentional Yeah, back it up a little. Just go back to the sound. I made an accidental click and there wasn't anything going on. It's super weird. That right there. They do. Less than 100 yards away. Yeah, because they get on their hind legs And they're so big. Oh, really?

3:10:16 Yeah, Sue Akins. give a fuck fucking she chain-smoked cigarettes and just kill shit all right ate their friend. I had a plan. Bunch of meth heads. You know what's weird though? The two of them together, Well, Robert Bigelow is. People, like, they make these connections, man, Because he's obsessed in a way that you almost, like, want to get that guy alone and get his trust and go, come on, man, what have you fucking seen?

3:12:52 I know he does. And through Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp was my dad's a physicist um by atreides long retired what does he think about it what does where there were all kinds of developments there. So what's going on there? that the government finds no evidence of aliens, none. And you oh shit that's a crazy story and you read it in But they're like, and maybe it's China or Russia, like intelligence officials worry that it's China and Russia.

3:16:54 And that is what pisses me off, which is that the government is actually just not admitting to 50 in less than a second. Yeah, and who the fuck knows what it is or what. could ever fly. That's the thing that people talk about I was very disappointed. and he almost lost his top secret clearance with NASA. Shoo, shoo. That's the drone I think he started

3:19:00 Could put the Tesla We can't. Well, I'm definitely wrong about that then because I'm thinking about drones that are civilian drones. about, though. That's that one. Right. They might Years, I think. But there's this picture that exists of crash drones from Iran and Saudi Arabia that are triangular-shaped. literally like flying pyramids. That's where it gets really weird.

3:21:32 Why is there a single like high-resolution? Your camera phone. Gone. And you're just sitting there going, oh, what the fuck? Didn't they say in the 60 Minutes thing this was like a regular occurrence? why would they care about us? he strays out of the bounds of you know know, like what's the orthodoxy. And if you look at sci-fi, and I know I'm getting deep here, which is that

3:24:20 the things that Bob Lazar talked about in that And C, the things that he talked about in the 1980s proved to be true, including element 115. like if you brought a nuclear reactor to someone in the 1400s, thing and when he describes his experience with it he has been insanely consistent forever since you're going to believe that some shit happened. Then, you know,

3:26:34 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw some idiot I think your two together in your show is one of the most important things out there So thank you so much. I'm like, fuck them. so thank you