Joe Rogan Experience #1680 — Jakob Dylan Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Weren't they all? That was pretty wild. There was fur. If you're a person that just spends time in Hollywood Yeah, that's that was mainly where you saw it then but if you've been out there lately, it's crazy. It's pretty much everywhere I was in Calabasas. So by that time, traffic has started to die down. We were just talking earlier.

3:32 Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, it's ridiculous or just the airport itself. She's just a jammed up airport. That's a crazy I'm just there because I've always been there. to move to Austin. For a lot of different reasons, it comes to like investments and stuff like he's a wealthy guy that pretends he's not it's real odd yeah for someone to take a chance like that and shift careers because

5:53 And for Dean to just take that, I think he was like 46? sing in front of people be looked at yeah yeah yeah you know yeah get over somehow get the But, you know, I tour every year, so I don't have, you know, I'm far enough along where you gotta get off the treadmill at some point you know and i've been making my first record was 1992 wow so uh you know want to do something different and i think it

7:53 He may have passed through. none of those groups were able to stay together. strip and all that it was really about one year specifically what why that year just because it But that's what we found to be interesting. You absolutely could. and literally supplying acid to the Manson family. of a moment and exacerbate a situation rather than engineer it from scratch like I don't think it's possible to engineer the hippie movement

10:42 king look i mean you there's another book. What is it? Strange. Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon. They all came from very prestigious places. if you care about it. and then the 60s the the the contrast of this the style of the country like just the culture it was so radically influences but bad equipment bad guitars bad microphones this all starts to change and it

13:16 Why was everybody so good? i mean rock and roll was so in the 50s it was brand new but even the early 60s it's still like you don't have Yeah, and it seemed like a good option at that point. No one knew, the idea of having any job, Yeah, that's a really good point. 22 in the 50s? maybe 86, 85. Yes, you may be a little more specific how weird dad yeah no no i know who he is

16:30 It was a little bit different then. No kid. It was like. none of the fashion, any of that stuff appealed to me but they took over that street and it was literally It's like a weird little, almost like not quite a time capsule because you get to see that they've aged. sell you the tickets now you go sell them so it takes the weight off the venue having to you know sell tickets or not

18:47 who doesn't care and we did it one time I do get the why that was the thing that they Well, that time period was You got to go to L.A. Who was a part of that? just the scene was pretty crazy and that scene was that was the dominant scene in Hollywood right it think about sunset strip if you're from out of town and then you go down there and you drive

21:13 Well, New York was different, right? Yeah, it's just funny. By the time you get to where you're going Yeah, I guess so. shows we we heard it and you know it was explosive but you also like they said like you knew this is It was real. that just hits a nerve that well I don't know. And then not anymore. high school or brings it back to when they loved those songs.

24:18 It's fun to have a band that you used to be embarrassed about that's not embarrassing And it's just like so childish. kiss and kiss was the embarrassing one and i had to hide it from people you know what though you're I met him when he had no makeup on. He wouldn't, So my son was four, I was small talking with Paul Stanley. and realizing that there's there's a person in front of me who's actually a doll also he'd never

27:19 you a couple of those but he tells me where to go get some oh which is funny in itself but devastating kind of And we went to see him in LA. it might have been at the Forum, some big place in LA. Yeah. With makeup or without? Coming out of Like they go, man, I fucking knew these people when they were underground. Where people don't want things to get too successful because then it's not their secret anymore.

30:14 Right, perfect example. songs that I'm not really into everybody does yeah but you can't say the stones There's no right or wrong answer to that. That influence can either be beneficial like you can And for people like myself, if you just put up tour dates and record release of closeness, of pretending to be friends. Well, if you're young and see how many followers

33:19 If you've got 100,000 followers, If your tape is really good and you get great music Maybe if I was 21 again, maybe I'd enjoy it. Yeah, we use Facebook. it kind of spooks me that's yeah i mean it's all i mean it just it follow your nose if you like it It starts out with their new car. They want something that gives them a view into your life that's not available otherwise.

35:32 That's not really using it for what it's worth. Well, especially if you like to drink. Be as funny as you want. Well, it's a weird way to interact. and I go, hey, I follow you on Twitter, funny shit. But for bands, I haven't heard those people have 30,000 followers don't mean you know i don't participate very much in it but there's i mean i look at the stuff too

38:28 It just sucks your attention span in. And you're just like, ah! Yeah, there's funny stuff out there. give a shout out right now i don't know richard marks has a great new book i just picked up yeah Jamie, you got it? Well, because I think anybody who's in my shoes Yeah. well, And it's a business. It's very much like comedy in a way that, you know, you're reading music memoirs, that is your business. And it's a strange business, right? And it's a business.

41:01 Yeah, and that is what connects a lot of those stories is interesting The blueprints don't work. There's something about that, like reading about Kenneson, know, he's going to be Prince, one of the more talented people that may ever, you know, stuff doesn't really matter what you're going through in your high school and you like basketball hear the people who don't believe in him and you can be you know like we all have a i miss that one

43:40 shirt on and it's like, he's just staring at the camera. And I remember thinking like, holy shit, like who is this guy? mean that's who he was i mean it was outrageous because he was an honestly eccentric human being That sounded more believable to me. That's what he was, and he was a very big guy. He goes, excuse me? And he's pointing at Prince. So now I well tell him he's pointing at prince so now like

46:20 just like you know uh it is it is him it is it is prince right it is just like, you know. It is him. It is Prince, right? I think he just, you know, I don't know why I was asked to sit, prince was gonna go on somewhere after midnight and it was like 11 30 and i was like fuck i'm You wouldn't get a lot of chances. Your story sucks. My story sucks. It's not good. It's like never met him

48:17 every time your band went through town, that he's playing right around you, right around the corner, He liked to do those gigs, or he liked to tell people he was going to do gigs and not show up? and just hijack somebody's stage and play some music. I forget what the law was. And you go in there. like me I go, fuck yeah. alleyway it doesn't make any sense and then a guy's waiting with a suit and he puts his hand

51:37 He'll just show up and then by the time he's off stage But open mic nights are a great place to stop in to do new material. this bucket and then they stick the subjects on the wheel card with like a subject, and they throw it into the bucket. It could be music. so it's a safety net take the gig seriously to Stand Up On The Spot Well, exactly. But that is like one person is going off hysterically about this car that he bought and then it just goes right into skiing.

54:04 They don't film it anymore because Like 10 years ago, you were nobody Yeah, but it was on at one in the morning. No. Cut loose. Yeah, and they're like 15 years old. I'm telling you, Byron Allen is one of, like, the most undercover billionaire characters Yeah, it's terrible. in those little chunks but it's so obvious that this is set up it's like battle do you know about Roast Battle?

57:15 would write jokes about Jamie for weeks and Jamie would write jokes about you for weeks and then Oh, but you mean live, not a show. Roast Battle's not a show anymore, right? Because it is literally the most ruthless show I've ever seen in my life but Brian Moses who's the host of it is one of the nicest guys ever and some of those you know the uh you know the roast that jeffrey ross does yeah what do you call it

59:07 I don't like being mean like that. it's not going to be as funny. They're not calling me anyway, but no, I don't think I could take it. Yeah, well, that is one of the things that brought me back to the comic store. there's so many guys that are doing this that are writing and girls and whatever that are writing these bits that are they're doing such a

1:00:55 and set up songs with the same stories. And you're kind of, now you know. Do you have to, I know for bands, and they'll come up to you afterwards It seems so interesting to me No, they know that we know. there and they could say you know last night you said it this way but tonight you said it that way to tell a joke and just you know it's funny positive feedback sure and that's part of the exchange is i wrote it i created it and now i

1:03:57 There's many times where I wrote a bit, and I've got it set up. You're putting it together and you kind of know how it's going to go out, but you don't but that's, like nobody noticed. you don't know the people who are listening don't know what kind of work you put into it. They don it's easy or hard they don't like warren zvon's where was london going to record companies and telling them i think this should be a single i i don't get too involved I never have gotten too involved with that like going to record companies and telling them

1:05:51 yeah so if somebody wants They're hearing the complete, like, they're not involved at all until you slap it down on wax and you bring it to them, right? No one's ever been in my business have good ideas, you know, I, I, it's better off to see them as an asset in a team rather than they can help you edit I mean, I'm not in the world of singles. going to radio stations and like, I got some wax, I gotta play this.

1:08:08 Just like it's a single because you think you're making singles, but we don't really do singles anymore. Exists, but is it important? Yeah, I don't know how that happened. it's got you know but when you say what is saying like that's you ask what does count what does And don't ask me how the film business, you know, figured that out and protected themselves better.

1:10:17 Hopefully, I'll get interrupted for the next three days. I mean, I wasn't that defiant about it. line between the artists and the fans, They saw where it was coming. you know and for a lot of You know, the way YouTube does it with content creators, Do they share revenue with the artists? They've kind of said, look, we'll work with you. and then someone else puts it on their channel,

1:13:39 But that's not what it is. I'm for any experiment. I have friends that are artists that are musicians today. we are missing out on great talent. I came up the days where, you know, record of all record labels don't I came up the days enough pie to go around everybody is kind of okay with that i mean there's a certain number you get you're not gonna be you won't be fooled you know it's the people that you have camaraderie with

1:16:31 maybe like one or two people I came across who I hope I never see again in it looks like you're, no matter what, It's like, again, Prince, what was his, I make music. when courtney love wrote that piece where she was explaining the If you're a band, bands don't do this anymore. yeah they make a lot more than you that's why they're in the record business that's what's

1:19:15 that I can now work with. you know and if you recognize early on well i would like to be i mean that's a lot of the great Well, they have money that you don't have So they basically loan you the money. And it's just like it's hard to know what anybody's up to. how does I don't know. and they're going to give you some money to practice. If you're an established act, you've got opportunities.

1:22:28 You know, the way I came up was just a different, I mean, it was just a different model. days before the internet really how many people buy cds today they still sell i don't know where Oh, for sure. Sync. Oh, physical things. Oh, interesting. Vinyl's not like blowing up. the wall, like decorations. I don't. so I'll listen to an MP3. Yeah, It was as large,

1:25:46 What year is this? It says, you know, look, you ever go online and you want him to go crazy? Was it made on digital equipment to begin with? Holy shit, a $50,000 turntable. but then you have to have your room tuned. Oh, it's awesome if you got the bread and you got the room Yeah, well, that's pretty awesome. Yeah. No. Hold on. Look at that. That's pretty wild.

1:28:32 where he has to get, Yeah, he's very smart. It's like it's too much work. Yeah, when he would get red in the neck. Well my friend John Joseph from the Cro-Mags, He's constantly training for Ironmans, Maynard blew his hip out that way. They don't want to do it anymore. for many people and this is the same in the world of comedy too the thrill of performing it just

1:30:53 Like, they don't get it. once you've already experienced that you know have those kinds of jobs and go to a high rise but like you know the luck i want to say the I mean, even like the Vegas crowd was done by 80. Maybe 80 is the new 65. I would still go, but it's not the show that the reputation is. And I wanted to get into that. because isn't part of being an artist creating,

1:33:43 You cannot name anybody who's been around for any amount of time the 30 or 40 years into their But I think after that. Yeah, steel wheels. And then maybe you can have a career because of it. But you can't sustain that. where they just stop producing new stuff almost all of them records because she's like but that's a different era if she can't do Rumors again.

1:36:16 just not do it so much anymore? did it react in the way that the other stuff did? four hours to get through half the hits yeah yeah he makes records people still really care about i Right. and those songs, So we found the exception. He keeps them in mind, I think, when he writes these songs. I mean, it's some kind of sleight of hand trick that he pulled.

1:38:59 Yeah, you too, man. Yeah. No, he's one of the most prolific guys ever in terms of high quality stuff. Most people have a shitty record. You just can't be. minus these times where you just can't right now um so i'll be there's a point like when you're But I've had longer gaps than that. Wow. year either by the way just pick your 10 favorite ones I don't need 18 songs pick the 10 best ones

1:42:09 like music that has the best songs that's what moves me the most is not the it's not the beats Well, it's kind of corporate country, a lot of it is. It is. But it's interesting. And everything's awesome. Merle Haggard or Carter Family or any of those, That's almost more like Tom Petty rock. They've closed in the distance because it's rock, essentially.

1:44:45 So it's just, it's important to solidify put those two pretty close together. Like, yeah, if I had that studio, that situation, and I had it had it quite yeah i go in there and just shut the door and listen to music yeah pretty cool but i'm not spending 28 to help yet like it's a lot you go you're gonna come home of putting on a turntable, that's worth the money.

1:46:35 to spend money on these things. and then through that he like gets inspiration for scenes and inspiration for moments and characters. first song you're gonna to start your record with, your shittiest song goes last It's not just that they sound better. You know what I mean? That's gonna be something that the artist Terrible, right? That's a good I didn't know that too long ago so the turntable's not

1:49:19 and they would stack records Yeah, it was shitty vinyl too, though. You could like fan yourself and like, you know, It's just better. And a lot of them, especially Double, like Kiss Alive 2, But, you know, I don't hold a torch for it. there's other stuff i mean what are you gonna do yeah for sure just gonna be that unhappy guy just Of course, right?

1:51:26 Have you seen a hologram show? the tent where there's 30,000 people yeah and that's why they're doing that yeah that's okay could go to these it helps This is okay. Hit the button. Okay, they got caught but like now i mean i watched a little bit like the fourth of july stuff like nobody was singing or playing right nobody and they're all lip-syncing

1:53:12 But you know what? You still bought the record you liked it and somebody was singing on it They went out. Right. We don't use tapes. So they can't go off the script at all. And imagine yourself as a comedian. What if you just had to do that? You could with tapes on it they're restricted by these tapes so they can't go off they seem to refuse to do that.

1:55:23 and I'm hearing like a million sounds that just like there's nobody here and i'm not surprised but then my You had to maximize and minimize your dance routine to what you could sing. They had to, like, they had to work together with your singing and your dancing. like James Brown when he was in Zaire, That's what separates some people from other people.

1:57:11 and you've got somebody who really can what they're able to do what happened i don't know i mean at some point they just just let it You know, it's not surprising. Like she can't take her IUD out, allegedly. What? I just lost. I know what it means, but I don't know why she can't get out of it. She's clearly... Loony, loony's got nothing. How is she going to hurt herself or lose money?

2:00:22 There's a lot of guys. But she could do that. Well, the judge denied it, which is crazy. That's what's weird. Just for... She's been trying to get out of it for a long time, right? Yeah, so that full year, right. having a good time yeah that's interesting what if it was just made up for Sugar Man story. What's that guy's name? Rodriguez? Yeah, Rodriguez. Yeah.

2:02:35 Well, I have a friend from South Africa I thought these guys were assholes. Yes. this conflicting story, Yes. Because it's just a universal radio system, which is streaming, and we're all listening to the same thing. You can't do that now. No. If you're big anywhere, you're big all over. Yes. but you don't know you're a big artist in South Africa. and then he goes over there

2:03:57 sitting around wondering stand-up comics in all of australia he's fucking huge in australia sells out theaters multiple But the live experience has a lot to do with it. to translate to a show. It did happen. what it is good but you know what you know spinal tap was good too That makes it believable. made the documentary it would have been a great movie with a script also because this parallel universe you're

2:06:36 there's a lot of people. Yeah, Sparks, they were the two brothers, male brothers. You'll be like, I know who that is. that's more the typical image that you might recall. from, obviously, television. And if it's just, And they get the brother of a guitar tech. what about the album cover itself? It's so good. I forgot. I was only there for three years.

2:09:14 Yeah, well, their history is amazing. that people are really aware of. That was his riff, Ed King. people were already come and gone. I mean, and your chances of really sustaining that for very long or not very good because like, you don't even know who you are yet. The best ones, you know, they can, In that way, it's very similar to comedy that when you're starting out,

2:12:26 zero yeah wow good for you yeah well you know somebody i met had the same conversation a couple You still want to be in a band? kind of band there are bands like what you're That might work. without him but you know the who lost kenny they lost uh keith moon and they put in kenny jones i And Charlie Watts but you know you know as long as those, you know,

2:15:19 Yeah. You're funnier than most guys in bands. But I mean, I feel like it's one of the things about comedy is we all get together and we talk about the art form a lot. out of nowhere or do you have specific times where you sit down and write your best ideas come out of that could be a great song. Well, right, if I were just like, hey, listen, or been more enjoyed,

2:17:35 he's an antenna. like maybe God, Because that part of your brain that you're, you know, automatic writing is, have you heard and it happened. Like these ideas will come to you that's not your conscious mind. When you have to sit down and really focus on it, It's just a song. Well, thanks, man. Has no one else mentioned that before? If you get a white and black one.

2:19:55 No, I have a 67 Firebird. There's no like, you know, there's no like eight ball gear shifting. It's a show no i mean it's not a jacked up car there's no like you know crazy If it moved me, I'd get one. Well, yeah, I had one 20-something years ago, oh my god who noticed nice Mustang it's like okay thank you or it, if somebody says, you know, nice Mustang, it's like, okay, thank you.

2:21:20 It's one of many. I have a 1965 Corvette convertible. You know what's the one I really like? No. It was beautiful and wild and so different than anything that came before it. Actually, the coolest car is what he designed. because it's just like how come i never saw that before and why didn't they make that I thought I was going to have it. What's that?

2:23:33 What the fuck is that thing? No. Oh, so it's a concept car. I mean, it's a metal shape. It's pretty sweet. That's fucking beautiful. Yeah, but those are, I don't like old cars with old brakes and old engines. No, I'm with you on that. Yes, yes. Woo! It is July, what's this, Friday? You have a list, though. Can you even read that? Okay, so you're in Huntington, New York, Lexington, Massachusetts, East Greenwich, Rhode Island,

2:26:35 Okay.