Joe Rogan Experience #1682 — Jesse Singal Transcript

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0:00 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day That's how I found about you. is exacerbating their mental illness. I think that's how bad it is. Yeah. I can't stay away from those fights with the angry 15 year old in Ohio. Yeah, and they're just arguing and attacking people And it's just, it's a terrible way to live your life.

3:38 only way to make change in this world is to attack people and to, you know, vehemently dismiss anyone who disagrees with you as either a racist or a Barry Weiss and how they got along. And she's like, I thought I would hate Barry Weiss. I like human flaws. Well, the thing to keep in mind, I think a lot of people make the mistake of saying, It's a combination of things. I think it's partly that, but I think people get most mad.

6:08 Yeah. where he was saying something about a gene. I met him once in real life in Helsinki. recent history of genetics where people thought there was like a gay gene and a liberal gene and Back in the day, maybe 10 years ago, he did a piece for Scientific American People Should Look Up, So the short version is what Johnson was saying is just sort of wrong and a misunderstanding.

8:40 From I think 2011, but yeah. having conversations with people because it wasn't nearly as popular back there there's a real value in having I'm very anti-censorship. are incredibly polarizing like Trump, it's fucking amazing that they can just remove the 45th president of the United States from Yeah. when they're left alone, like Reddit's a great example,

12:30 that finds this avenue where you can get a lot of attention by stirring shit and saying things, you see, it really did have a massive impact on the culture because there was a movement, man. I find ridiculous I don't even know why I had him on. You can't deny that's part of the conversation. I think it's crazy people try, I think the 2019 one. Yeah.

15:05 I think he's just an entertainer. What percentage of his craziest sounding beliefs do you think he himself believes in? or not they fucked them they were there they and whether or not they really have film of them Yeah. I'm looking at it. You should interview one of the human monkey chimeras. And then they tell you once they've already done all the research,

17:35 I found the part. You found it? Okay, good. I'm not saying you're the left, but mainstream media, whatever. I will give, before God and country, to Jamie's. It's okay. did he say he was saying that they kept them comfortable after birth and that but did he that is a ethical landmine, isn't it? Of course it is. You're talking about a fetus that's like

20:05 would freak people the fuck out. say this unless we know his actual words. birth. And she answered that it would permit an abortion at that stage of labor. Do you support her measure and explain her answer? Notice he's usurping law. And it's done in cases where there may be severe deformities. But again, we want the government not to be involved in these types of decisions.

22:57 And so, you know, I would certainly support more than one provider. And then he did not answer the question well, but he's talking about a weird situation where then That's what the polling shows. this loony conspiracy about harvesting organs. And I think if you're Alex Jones or if you're he's getting real data in of real conspiracies. What do you think the line is for like having

25:53 One of them was the Associated Press report saying like those kind of things I want to when he says those things I want to He also had a significant head injury when he was a kid. And like Alex is like, Like Ronson, The problem is he's so polarizing that I'm not going to do it Alex arrested for uh going after george w Bush and saying he was perpetrating crimes

29:01 He's very open-minded. Yeah, it's tricky. that one? I'm very scared of them. We need to protect our children. The frogs turning gay, he basically is- I mean, that's something that Dr. Shanna Swan wrote about. I don't know if you listened to that one. could we talk about my book for a minute first of all I've been friends Yeah, exactly. Could Alex Jones meet us on the river tubing?

32:04 What do you think i think he's one of the few people where i would You know, to draw the conclusion that he drew, my conclusion that I drew from that is like, Jesus Christ, that is such a weird area of discussion, like whether or not you should revive a fetus once it's been born and to decide to revive or not revive based on whether or not it's deformed or whatever the issue is that it has physically, whatever ailment or.

33:38 to fact check him in real time. Yeah. You know, and that's sort of what I do for a living is I I'm trying to think which of those two. One of them, I didn't know about the widespread use of agent provocateurs throughout history. in the news, and he showed through video clips how these masked people came in and took this Yes. Guantanamo Bay. And they were going to use this as impetus to go to war with Cuba. It's crazy shit.

36:33 got killed. He got killed in 63, right? So whatever happened from then, those people All right. This is for Jamie, if you want a copy. I wrote about psychology, basically. implicit bias? Yes. Okay. So this is a test. You sit at a computer. It tells you how unconsciously of information how much of it has to do with clickbait? One of the things that's disturbed me over the last decade or so is that journalism,

39:31 Part of us wants to see them collapse. Exactly. Yeah, people do, but I still think they're the you have maybe a title to that article that's not totally accurate or bends the truth a little bit or it's inflammatory. So when Harvard. Oftentimes we read the press release but not the study itself. Like we have this amazing new study. We're like, great, write it up. We don't call the researcher. We don't read it closely.

41:47 people really believe these results. And the reason they believe them is because there's all I've read some of their stuff, yeah, yeah. because it wasn't, it had to do with homosexuality and but it but meanwhile they were scientists themselves don't know what they're doing. It makes it complicated. At a certain threshold, you're like, this is a real result.

44:11 One of my favorite stories was a guy who was involved in a test where they were doing a study where they gave him – they gave one group an SSRI, and the other group they gave a placebo. He had decided that he had taken some sort of This was very sort of swaggy Massachusetts weed. And my roommate called me and I was convinced he was sitting with the police trying to lure me back there to arrest me for smoking weed.

46:17 Yeah. job at the university to becoming a professor. unbiased versions of the truth. And to not have that in a reliable source. I mean, It's hard to get that. They published Garbage then, too. rising on the hill. That show is so good because they don't have to listen to anybody. They're not so I should go after her comeuppance. I noticed that because she worked at a place called The

49:51 And go to human resources. They'll get to the real world. We disagree on this or that, I didn't say that. That's my flavor. I don't think Alex does acid. You're going to like him. I think people have seen him on other shows and they get it now. cancel culture of today is uh such a it's such a beat-up term you know and it's so it's it i don't And I don't have any personal relationship with them.

53:05 what I mean is they're, they're not emotionally balanced. They're not comfortable, happy people. There's a pandemic. Then the next week, George Floyd happened. And then there's BLM protests. The whole idea is that this stuff is airborne. there's like 10 days after these protests. You know? I think there's a lot of people that were already unbalanced

55:53 It's not – I always thought that because of the internet, we're going to get more And they're tired. objective uh purely purely honest view of what they're looking at so they find these conglomerations It's either this political scientist in Arizona or these polling guys. People can Google it. The idea is like 20 percent of us are screaming at one another on Twitter, Facebook, whatever. Most of the country is just exhausted and hates talking about politics because things have gotten so heated. They don't want to say the wrong thing on Facebook. So it's sort of like the sort of controversial concept of like the silent majority. But I think there is a silent majority of people who want nothing to do with the present political discourse. And to me, that sort

58:15 I didn't view it as disqualifying. She wrote Native American That's pretty crazy. Some of her professors from college have said some pretty wild shit about her, Like what person who can get that close to being president the Cherokee Association says that the DNA test doesn't matter. DNA now found the vast majority of it. results are strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American

1:00:37 I know, but that's on her website that says it would be the PDF of the report. That was always his family thing. So what percentage is that? It might be more of that. Well, that's the dumbest thing about all of it, right? to me about this and he was saying, it's kind of crazy that this guy got his eyes done to look Bro, Sammy Sosa is pale like a ghost.

1:03:12 It is depressing because the people look beautiful. they really did have views we would view as I had no idea. of a sudden he got ripped and like because he's he's got he had excuse me he had addictive Just joking around. Fuck. You are loved. Because if you can. Yeah. He was polarized. Because he wasn't a comic, but he was. wanted to see his perspective, but that motherfucker partied hard, dude. Hard. I mean, I partied

1:08:00 Like, we're so fucked up. partying that way but but man when you talk food with that guy when you talk culture with that guy About food the fucking guy would just light up. He loved it. I was, um, this is a subject we don't need to get into in parts. I don't know much about it, fan of his show, I was a big fan of No Reservations before I ever met him as a person.

1:09:55 You snooty, snooty South. been weird though. Cause you, you arrived there without like any, without friends basically. You also I'd never felt protected. I never felt like I had a group of friends that I could count on. and also I was a short kid, so I was worried oh she you guys have a podcast what's it called Did you hear that I wrote a book? You have a book.

1:12:11 Oh shit, it was me. As like a viral incident. I'm sure. Yeah. You know? I like that. social capital and i hate that it really is it's a middle school cafeteria it doesn't work it makes mob they're gonna know that that's who you are you don't have to be like that you know if you And again, I understand there's always going to be like 20-year-olds on Tumblr who say that.

1:15:53 Yeah, that's not good. They're really unsafe. Jamal Khashoggi was brave. Yeah. they're being victimized. Other people need to, they don't need to do it publicly, but just Because of this, because of this attitude. I have a hesitancy to retweet something that's on CNN. I still enjoy their coverage, There's so many stories. fall into because it's easier that way like because we really aren't designed for this like

1:19:28 Sure. This is like a thing. Actually, I might rough one. We'll break back. So you think it was like Hillary people? They did it because they didn't want Bernie to win. They don't want that guy to win ever. They don't want that guy to win, ever. But that's what they do. All right. It was just the way they distorted your views They have to get people back.

1:22:44 literature we have and what the research says is important. That means if you're a natal male, you'll develop some female features and vice versa, blah, blah, blah. oftentimes it'll grow up to be a gay male. Sometimes it'll grow up to be a trans woman. clinicians themselves say, is kids are coming out as trans at 13 or 14, much later than they used to.

1:25:28 blockers are reversible. No, they've actually changed their stance on that. Yes, the National How could you get it back? cycle is going to be altered forever. The theory is if the kids are well- and like they go through the Dutch protocol where they felt that way since they were three, they're probably not going to change their mind. It's not. People are very malleable.

1:27:50 We agree that there's a subset. But it might not go away. Not 40%. either. Right. Imagine if, and this is a real imagine, because people that are trans, that a cure for autism that people wouldn't embrace that cure? No, I think some people would, but I No, and I think there's – but do you basically think kids should never go on blockers? But how do you make that decision?

1:31:25 Yeah, which is just, there's so much legal shit that's attached to all this stuff. No, no. It really is. mental health medical status and treatments and gave information that could reveal the family's because he was speaking Yeah. Two-year-olds, they don't have any idea what's going on. So when I talk about the Dutch protocol, this is traditionally what gender dysphoric kids

1:33:48 We could be assured that this was never going to change and that this is just how that child is No, if anything, they get criticized for being—one of them was shut down. Oh, okay. I mean, that's really what it depends upon. Well, but, okay, so you're not making that decision at two. He said the one thing I thought you got wrong was you said kids had hormonal interventions

1:36:19 and I are trying to figure out whether it's right or wrong, whether you agree with this or not agree So my – okay. how do we not know that they haven't felt like this their whole life? They live in a conservative We have no idea how often the sort of social contagion thing happens, Well, people have detransitioned. It is. So last week I wrote a long post.

1:39:14 because they are basically in some cases effectively being lied to. If you're a journalist but people want to protect kids. And occasionally we have these make the direct comparison to like the satanic sex abuse panic, but people you should have on. But she herself has seen situations that really worry her because the Like this is, it's been around forever.

1:41:15 but it hasn't been like a primary discussion. Putting a... If you put a 10-year-old on puberty blockers and then hormones, like I'm not sure what the background of the people from science-based medicine is, is that like if a journalist came to me and was like, I want to write about youth transition, This is so nuanced. an understanding of why this is so important to them. And then you can make a clear cut distinction.

1:45:30 And that's why I think anyone who writes about this issue, Well, you could tattoo your eyeballs, right? listening i think it'd be amazing if you actually just i mean how good would it feel for these Yeah, you get to be me for two days Depends. just to feel like to, to want to wear those weird shoes and to be into purses and just to look at here's what it's like to be a woman, here's what

1:48:23 No, we're literally poisoned by a hormone in our brains like that's forced people to go to war and and force people to try to you So I think there's some people that, like, when I have on an MMA fighter, who's not even remotely brutish in any way. and this idea that all mma is I think actually, especially in football, because people associate that with just being strong,

1:50:58 And I don't know. and sometimes they're the same people you know there's a lot of people that actually study I play a little basketball and I run. It's like, it's similar to, you know what happens when you get in a cast. your life would improve dramatically. How much time are we talking? Half hour, 40 minutes. Can like going for a three mile run even just felt life-saving like if i couldn't do this i would

1:54:26 things with clear a clear view but what makes us such an interesting species is like we we can Yeah. that alter our environment in this radical, in status. And we can do it Yes. There's a lot of them here. I didn't say there's too many. How much power does she have in that little finger? I've known him forever. Right. Really? Right. I was in Vegas yesterday, and it was 117 degrees.

1:58:54 And it gets worse, right? They're worried that they're going to have to limit water to people because it's like, it's a water supply to all these different areas. And my response – as a journalist, my response should be like, That's nuts, man. Boingo? out and they colonize other planets but like what if the entire universe is just littered with like

2:01:29 Re-extinction. it you know whatever the species are it's but now that we're alive we think Yeah, so you think I should do it? Just whatever I was supposed to take, I took half of it. better visual acuity. There's like some benefits to that, but, but a good little tiny dose of but we came up with a sitcom called Shroomates. You got paranoid from weed.

2:03:59 All right. It was a vape pen? The thing about weed is like you develop a tolerance. But me, fellow human being, I always say just a little bit of mushrooms because I think a little Dose them both. They eat mushrooms and then they hide these psychedelics in religious stories. And he was the only one he started realizing that there was were used online, but then a guy named Jan Ervin released it. Uh, he, he republished it and released

2:08:03 so when it rained these mushrooms would just appear out of the ground, connected to this, this, this theory that John Marco Allegro had that it gets very, it's very bizarre when you follow it. So this mushroom looks like Santa Claus. people's houses on snow drifts they would hop down through the chimney they would come into people's houses on snow drifts. They would hop down through the chimney.

2:10:31 so much so that shamans who have these psychedelic rituals have pointed out They get even higher than they were before. It's a wild connection between Santa Claus and flying Oh, my God. picture in the right. Now look at that. I mean, it's kind of fucking crazy but there's hundreds and hundreds of ancient I was watching some of the stories he told. Look at all those images.

2:13:45 The acacia tree is rich in dimethyltryptamine. See, this is, when we were in Hebrew school, making fun of him for being bald? Which one? That idea that your faith should lead you to be willing to murder your child, to throw We were like, this is fucked up. in parables and in these stories That's crazy. They are real and they're prevalent. You know, you have, I think it's definitely steered me in a completely different direction and changed my perspective forever.

2:17:24 Just see things in a different way. basically have three jobs right i'm a comedian i do the ufc commentary and i do this there's a lot as being unique and alone, and looking out for themselves. even if you can't express it with words. Are you good? I get more concerned about Twitter bullshit or petty career bullshit. distraction. They certainly can also be a distraction.

2:20:44 of your anxiety, right? You have this acceptance of who you are and the fact that you I'm not even talking about that. I run and play basketball. three miles. That's just my routine. You think I should do more? I could use that. Yeah. I think you're saying that based on not having that experience though. I mean, there's bad trips. You need to let the experience guide you.

2:23:46 You can't. about reading things that people are saying Yeah. been illegal yeah 1970 everything became illegal which is nuts i mean they they made illegal And these fucking stiff cunts wearing stupid shiny shoes and ties, He voted wise on I want to forget it. Hervis Rogers. Yeah, I just wanted to bring this up He got out on parole. He waited in line

2:26:54 We always try to find ways to throw one another in jail, get one another fired. Consciousness, let's put it in a non-woo-woo way. Even to the most calm and confident and accomplished person, it's terrifying. I mean, we're in different situations, but I've been lucky. Exactly. we want to try to do a tv show with you and we'll give you a bunch of money for me they gave me i

2:29:27 But it doesn't alleviate you from the existential angst of being a fucking human being. you don't have to think about that. It doesn't make the universe less weird. I wouldn't have gone. I'm too anxious. Fuck him. Jamie's immune to edibles. and he still didn't believe That the earth was round You get up there Sorry Eddie Do you trust it? On the launch pad and trying to land.

2:31:44 And now this one won are blowing up. He's like, now we know why it blew up and we'll fix that and now this one won't blow up and then we'll fix that. He is not interested in lying. that they were going to have failures. It's part of the I'm not interested, though, man. Yeah, it is round. It's just like the video. forehead going 500,000 miles an hour or whatever the fuck it's going.

2:33:18 I don't know. I saw a picture. to hurry up and beat Jeff Bezos who's going His wife married a science teacher. Yeah. Yeah. I will. You should have my co-host on so she can talk shit about me. Well, she's tried to. They deny their own extinction. There's stuff about grit, making kids more gritty. It depends. How much of what we see on social media is there's all these influencers that are like really into motivating people.

2:36:36 because some people it works like some people that are like hundreds of pounds overweight they I'll be right back. through that thing about the burning bush yeah the guy who the claim is made to this he wrote Okay, the Guardian. to see what was popping up. And this popped up That's the thing I was just reading. to completely destroy the Jews. God There's this word that they got

2:39:36 The bush is a bramble, rubus sanctus. No, apparently there's a lot of questions. Like one of the things about Marco Allegro's work was the Dead Sea Scrolls piece of skin belonged writing on them in this cave in Qumran. And these guys worked for fucking 14 plus years to try to decipher these things. Like, some of the stories in there are really like supernatural.

2:42:05 but the idea that we're supposed to take them to inspire the way we They're pretty good. Clam chowder? with your right hand and your left hand is what you wash your ass with yeah and they have a whole thing with shoes because shoes are This came out maybe around 2000. It's so wild, though, that ancient Hebrew had that distinction where it was part numbers and part letters.

2:44:33 that your language is encoded with numerical value in the words And even the ones who aren't religion or aren't religious, rather, they're really into being a tribal Jew. They don't intermarry? They only marry other classites. they were getting attacked for having group gatherings and you know that they were trying And I'm sure it did. So if you only speak

2:47:36 and it was like a massive deterrent for so long. and then they would get re-kidnapped like decades later and they never But at a certain point you get so far from our ancestral past that it If your tribe is fucking random people, Yeah. It feels so normal. Oh my God. Like I love New York in certain ways, but it's just when you can drive an hour to these incredible mountains.

2:51:10 I don't need to be anywhere. It's great. Yeah. It was easy. In the sense that there's too many of them. When you're on the 405 in LA and it's three in the afternoon because I might be in my car for five fucking hours. you just have no idea if it's going to take you three hours or six hours. Over the last ten years just from fires Yeah. Live music scene.

2:54:24 illegal here and like Deli Taco. I read the Eating Animals It's a lot of suffering for them. But that's why the whole, again, not to go back to the endless topic of cancel culture, but I do think liberals are becoming more liberal. is crazy. their whole point is like what this comes down to is money. When we talk about racism, And so the government had to the fact that you have these disproportionately

2:57:45 Yeah. That's just how they are. That's just how they are. Yeah, but this is my whole thing. certain people that are born into a situation that is not fair. Yeah. And I think that should be the story. Well, that's one of the reasons why I'm suspicious of her, Now you have to like, you know, say I'm a God-fearing Christian You're sure he wasn't wearing fake hands?

2:59:19 Came over to me when I was working. You should have. Well, there's that. At the end of the day, that's what it comes down to. media is just as guilty of it. If the conservative media has an opportunity with Biden to really take he's on the record being like, I'm basically a socialist. They tried to paint him as like a radical. I just wish he was younger.

3:01:42 It's not going to work. I mean, the wackier things Yeah. You're at the fucking biggest of the big leagues. A quick fix. Harass Katie Herzog. Appreciate it.