Joe Rogan Experience #1692 — Jason Wilson Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. I want to talk to him. And I was just, you know, when you offered for me to come here, man, I just was just ecstatic. And just the way you were communicating with him and letting him know that it's okay to cry and that, you know, just express yourself. speaking of, is under the umbrella of our nonprofit, the union. And so when this video went viral,

2:34 needs a mentor. And, you know, one of the things that martial arts does that I think is non-dominant hand and he couldn't break through. So he broke down crying and I welcomed his tears They transform instantly, man, and it's a great thing to see. Reflect on it. What's the lie? What's the truth? Do you think this man is not supposed to hit you? He's a skilled fighter

5:23 You know, we can keep distance striking and we're comfortable here. But when someone invades your space or when a problem happens in your life where it's so close and personal that you can't just shake it, The other person taps the person out. one moment, whether it's a moment at work or whether it's something in their personal And we didn't even have mats, man, because the instructor at the time said,

7:40 Yeah. And, um, I want to thank you real quick real quick. I was about to dive into Aikido. Joe, I always felt that way when I started training. wrestling techniques more. They'll learn on the mat. And that was something I had to work through as a teacher because I saw And so many good men shrink back and become passive. I had to remember the Sony Watchmen TVs, the little portable TVs.

11:18 could- So you just hit him just because you were upset at him? I was angry, man. I mean, as a male, He puts his face in front of my fist, and I move my fist subconsciously. And I tell all of my young boys, even the girls, raise your chin. Black Widow was talking to Bruce Banner. She says, I hang around fighters, but here it is, right now. So she kisses him. She says, basically, I admire this sweetheart, but I need the other guy

14:21 And so in our academy, we teach assertiveness over aggression, He's a Marcelo Garcia black belt, 6'7", and I always would joke he is the Hulk how much do you weigh you outweigh me by 50 pounds but yet Fabio Lima who's another instructor in because, again, at the time I wasn't used to applying it against real resistance. it is it is and uh oh sensei the the founder of the creator you know a lot of the techniques that are still done in Aikido are from his era.

17:03 But that's what you see. And even in a cave, man, And how did it get started? So I still use the arts, focus on what works, And we haven't looked back then. felt. And one of them direct messaged me, a 16-year-old. He says, Mr. Wilson, please don't And I was just what I call just a masculine male. boys to feel, you know, our mission is to teach, train, and transform boys into comprehensive men, men who are physically conscious, mentally astute, but spiritually strong enough to navigate through the pressures of this world without succumbing to their negative emotions.

22:26 through dementia. So I'm still trying to develop this curriculum. I'm saying, OK, it's coming along, You're getting kicked. Okay, you see some of the gun defenses and things like that. If it's just your uncle drunk at a barbecue, they should cut you. make a mistake or freedom to fall or freedom to fail, when you hit that ground, when you fail to from living. When that happened, Joe, these boys became not only greater at martial

26:08 But what made Josiah the proudest was that before the bully hit the ground, And so that's the main principle that we teach is do not live from your fears. in order for you to give your mother the care that you need, the most I was like, And this world not only needs us to be masculine as men, but they need us to be comprehensive. husbands. And, you know, the suicide rate amongst men, what is it, three to four times we die by

30:05 school gets shot in the head. All of this stuff had shaped my mind in a way where I didn't things I couldn't deny, like I hated the church, like with a passion. screaming and crying like, where is Jason? He comes to me. I says, dude, I'm all right. Trust me, Oh, that's funny. My wife calls me and says, don't lose the faith. I said, OK, you got my attention. I never go against you again.

34:03 I said, Nicole, do you pray for a child, specifically a boy? crying I said what's going on sharp pains in her stomach I said we about to lose another child We go to the hospital. want to name him Jason because the name Jason means healer and if you're a healer yeah oh yeah And I'm like, wow, she's a happy person. But me dealing And I told her, I says, don't allow your trauma to time travel.

38:01 You know, some of the greatest fighters in the world, no one can be strong all the time. You know, we'll say to each other, stay strong, bro. We're subconsciously And just because you have vulnerable moments You're going to have all those things. And Gilbert was crying. if I'm taking a nap, I jump up and start doing something. I'm like, yeah. Yeah.

40:44 That's a good way to put that. and everybody's going through their own little struggles. or guys can kick cups off your head. That's a real armor from the 1800s. they because they had a short like span and the samurai's life was short as well because of the they're trying to flirt, but I'm married. But they said, whoa, what is this? I've never seen this before.

43:17 But those are the things. from so many of the schools that I've trained in you know today and then you wonder why so many of us as men who are practitioners in the arts or whatever unfortunately, when we come home, the people who love us and don't deserve it, they end up getting I typically, prior to now, I would leave. just being a waiter or waitress, and they have to put all of that aside just to make us have a great experience.

46:50 but I need to release it before these thoughts make me toxic? One of the beautiful things about it is this is probably one of the greatest assassins the perhaps you could use good defense, you can get out of a bad situation. the discipline to understand beauty in nature and beauty in nature, and beauty in prose, and that this was what made him balance,

48:50 whether it's through sword fighting or through any of the other disciplines, had the same discipline, the same love, and the same passion for all these things that he did, But what he's saying is to be at your best, you have to be in control of all these things. And so I would tell my students, when is the, we would train hard and they're out of breath and they're tired.

51:15 shouldn't do or who you are or you lost or he got a blow in or he got your back, it's hard for you basketball rims before we built the cave gym for the martial arts. I come out the door and I'm it. Imagine a car coming. You don't know if they have guns or not. across the street in their direction. I said, so you're going to run in the same direction they're

54:31 What would you think? that I practice what I taught. Then when I went But as long as we suppress and keep suppressing, I have to release it, maybe even cry if I need to in some situations. away. So the things that are heavy, like a death of a loved one or pressure on my job or marital When I released that, I released the negative to that, keep what I need to deal with and reconcile,

58:30 That's what children do. That affected me. That affected me, man. And I'm like, so I and my wife is hilarious. angel on the shoulder. But the good in me says, love her. I let my trauma time travel. Hispanic brother. He says, hey, I love what you're doing. Thank you. It helps me make it through my The compassion fatigue, man, meaning that's what nurses experience or doctors at war.

1:02:11 All that stuff, I'm experiential with Yahushua, Yeshua, Jesus, who they call Jesus. Let me try to help men express themselves in good ways where they're no longer toxic to society. I catch it every day. and I see that you're really accomplishing something. over again and then when the birds chirp it's just I love just nature the beginning of was it

1:04:22 Like if I could just work at a hardware store. because it's not easy I don't want that. The pressure, Joe, in a society where we're all in fight or flight, where no one seems to have integrity, is when as soon as I say, world would know that he is real i've never seen anyone run from love and that's, I know when you love hard, you're going to get hurt.

1:06:58 Say, baby, come to me. I'm here for you. and it's just like everyone is just aiming to hurt each other. The reason I can be transparent because It keeps me going because it's hard, man. Think about this. I was at a conference at this church. It was a thousand men there. And so, again, I'm thinking Like, I can't. I told that man that because I said, right now, you're only bestowing upon your son masculinity.

1:11:51 Yeah. You really are. you helping that young boy get over his overwhelming It's so easy to get wrapped up in gossip and negativity and insults And for you, being transparent is important too, because you're, I know to their defense, I was telling one of the producers of the documentary, I saw a piece of it. And I called the producer. well, I bought your book, I learned how to cry,

1:15:43 My mother, my friends, my brothers. It's like these things I love. And then I forgot a baker's cyst as well, which one therapist believes that is causing a lot. There's a – I'm bringing this guy up again. it really does i was we did i wasn't doing a crossfit era i tried that and the whole thing people who teach a different method of strengthening the knee.

1:18:46 is because he would want them to be available to him when he was 10 years old. And so he thinks he's not pushing you in a way that you're going to injure yourself. You start very slow and he program and provides a scalable route with four levels of getting stronger strong in the deepest knee bend And his methods are far better, I believe. downward so that when you bend forward, your knees are really over your toes.

1:21:50 And what a monkey foot is, it's like it's a thing that straps onto your sneaker What is that called? It's right. Creators of monkey feet. So she's standing on a platform. And it's cheap. Look how he's dropping down for a squat and then up with the knee. Should I get two or just one? And he really helps me out a lot. surgeries. I've had both my ACLs reconstructed. I've had a meniscus surgery in my left knee.

1:25:13 But my right knee, I didn't do that. I have to warm up. That's a big part of it, oh man 52 years old throwing power kicks without warming up so i'm 51 and i threw my back out Thankfully, I found a good chiropractor in Beverly Hills who helped me greatly. And I have to do it. And then the principles, how, you know, at any moment, you know, I got to take

1:27:35 So at that moment, I say, okay, good. He says, I'm nervous. control you don't hang on yeah so I don't want to miss those moments but then I think Henna Gracie Yeah, man. It's from Sorenex. body to use weight to actively decompress your spine while strengthening the muscles around it had no back problems. Or if I do have a back problem, it's very minor and it goes away

1:30:34 Nope. He's just got a bunch of different So this machine that Louis... And then as you're dropping down, it's actually pulling on your back and separating it. Yeah, that is the shit. Amazing piece of equipment. I have one of these at home. can do back extensions and exercises with it i prefer that i have an inversion table as well your weight is really on your upper thighs.

1:33:43 Do you still float? And he's a big fan of yours, David McCullough. Oh, nice. I'm at. I'm striving to become better each day. I catch myself again, fighting to pull out of this what they're going through and some men have two jobs three jobs just trying to make ends meet or an old man a hundred and anything super rare yeah yeah and that's because we work ourselves to death

1:36:36 You wouldn't, if you had, who was the best, I don't know, basketball player? That's one of the biggest problems with jujitsu guys is they'll train injured. But again, it's like kryptonite for us. Supposedly. But again, I'm one of their ambassadors because of the work I do. And I got another hour there. I have to fight myself. Yeah, pretty. And so it was imperative that we created a 24-week curriculum so that the kids can come in, get the training, and then we can bring more kids in.

1:40:07 We turned 13. dine at a table? You know, what belongs on the right? What belongs on the left? Then we do job Jaehyun Kim Taekwondo Institute in Boston. And one of the things that they had on their tenants everything every art every system has a benefit you know um and so again i've seen kids with and leg kicks. All the time. Yes. It's just unfortunate that they want to pretend that the art is effective on its own against a skilled fighter who knows other disciplines.

1:44:22 and for you to be able to do that like this but But if you don't, again, I've seen it, great fighters. Yeah. And I remember the first classes I took, you know, Fabio, he Yeah. We learn how to fight on the ground, not to stay on it, but how to get up. Because a friend may Right. if you can avoid fighting avoid avoid it every single time. Also, it's nice to have your hands here in case some shit goes down.

1:48:18 And so, you know, it's I tell the guy, say, hey, look, man, I don't want to be embarrassed, and I don't want to do anything to you to make you look embarrassed, Right, right. I created a term called relational security. Majority of times when we're in a situation, in helping kids de-escalate a situation without resorting to violence, man. People say, well, how do you get the boys to move and respond so much without you having to yell all the time? I said,

1:51:10 just the respect level. He starts believing in himself and, and he improves. That is an amazing That was wrong. I said, I know that embarrassed you. And so he was hitting the walls in the bathroom. process our emotions either. And then you may have a class of so many kids and our teachers And that's why our kids, you know, both sides are really suffering.

1:53:30 tension and relaxes you. And you go, okay, this guy respects me. He's treating me in a, in a, is this person receiving what I'm saying? by being angry and loud and most I thought they're cooking them in a certain way. And so she had my plate fixed to the side. So my son, I come home, I couldn't eat dinner with him and my wife. And so she had my why that action was wrong, I was forgiving him at the same time. So as soon as I finished speaking,

1:56:26 Every little thing, man. But maybe there's some pressure she's experiencing that I'm not engaging with her on. And I blew that, man. And so, go kart racing but because internalizing everything and then And then the outer tier is probably what you're really feeling, but you fear The last thing I need to do is add another challenge to it. the support and love. But they had the love, but just the additional things that they could have.

2:00:22 line with what you're telling them? Would you still give them everything they need? Now, if you can't, you know, it's tight. What you can't do, you can't. But when you can and you don't, it sends a very hurtful signal or it's telling the child that they're really not Right. Yes, it made me upset. But the root cause of that was you hurt me because as your brother,

2:02:42 condemn yourself right just continue to do the best that you can, man. of us just took a moment just to get some therapy, just to talk to someone, to release something that Exactly, man. your life. Then you have the fathers, on the other hand, who want to be there. But because of the So as men, you know, it's time out for just brushing that aside. masculine. When Kobe Bryant died, we started seeing the hashtag girl dad go viral all over

2:06:26 And I think there's many men that don't know anyone in their personal life And, you know, it's, you know, again, we believe what we see. when I wasn't loving to my wife. You know, we were about to get separated in 2015, man. You know, you got to learn how to deal with yourself something so precious that I've blessed you with So he had her get into a cardboard box on the couch and close her in.

2:10:07 And so my anger from that transferred to her as you're doing something wrong again. Right. That whole conversation would have been different. The session, man, was seven hours. And then when we figured out this is what helped us in a major way, I knew and she knew that our intent for each other wasn't to hurt each other. real peace where it's not based on an environment but what's inside of us, man.

2:13:08 I'm tired. I'm ready to go with my father. It's worth all of that because it's my first time They're just people. And we're hurting and people just want and some of that to be hindered anymore that's a beautiful everything all the weapons that I've used in my own in the war daily to help out of me all the tools that I can give to my brothers out here who are losing the wars within.

2:16:22 transparent and share with men how you had the test, would say, don't say nothing to the teacher. And so I wrote down how many women today are in that And I quickly saw like, wait a minute. This isn't right. He had the nerve to leave me at home alone with his wife while he went to play the lottery. And that's what he did. My door knock, girl comes in, stripper, beautiful.

2:20:33 like a sister and not an object. And as men, you know, that mindset comes from low self-esteem. It's nothing you can say to me. Again, I'm not trained. I'm not a professional writer. OK, so I grammatically a proofreader. Because I don't, you know, I know my story, Because I know you're so busy already. go out. We all experienced it and to have to pour out more seven, eight hours a day writing,

2:24:39 Man, it was it was a challenge. But when I finished it and I sent some samples to my friends and posted some on social media, they were like, I have to get this because I need to hear you. Or you're at the gym in his headphones. Yeah, you know, I cry like a man. But Battle Cry was cool, man, because I didn't want to speak monotone. I know your experience in martial arts and jiu jujitsu. You can handle yourself very well. Majority of us men

2:26:59 that tears not only contain 98 percent water, but actually stress hormones that get excreted from our bodies when So many men think they are alone, but they're not. man i've seen it you know me and you think would never cry break down yeah because they carry in I didn't realize how popular audio books are. Why people like this now. Yeah. Oh, yeah, man.

2:30:05 And just so that I can stay in control, man. What do you mean? Maybe some crazy stuff that I need to be aware of. Let's go. Yeah, that's deep. The more you can do that, the more that's what you do. yourself exactly i was with little jay you know and we were curling so he's just starting to work I want to hear that. Like, that's good enough. This is something's going on with my body.

2:33:35 When you're used to, like, hard exertion on a regular basis, and then you show up, and you're looking for that full gas tank, and your body's like, not today, man. That's a good, you know, I would get sick often in the gym was telling me many Catabolic response to sepsis, severe injury, and burn is characterized by whole body protein loss. because all of a sudden they're sick and they didn't see it coming at all.

2:36:23 He was like a super strong guy, could bench press the 200 pound dumbbells with each hand like for reps. so with Darryl he had stress in You're basically taxing your body if you're lifting heavy. when there's an issue that's that's that's good yeah i um it helps me a lot man when i'm feeling harder because you really can only do it for a short amount of time. You only do it for an hour

2:39:11 Yeah. And you matter in this, what you do. I think there's a lot of, obviously there's a lot of sources of anxiety, And they say that lifting weights, because lifting weights is just a real force of exertion. I don't do that anymore because everyone's body is different. And so I guess he was just trying to advise to me like, look, man, if you're It's like I just learned something else in this moment because I'm open to learn.

2:42:17 But when a certain student is dealing with something, And so. I'm tired I want to go home and eat dinner but I said no let me help my friend and more so let me help his son. I said, come on. So I had to learn how to become one with what she felt and not dismiss what she felt. Now when she would get on it, well, when she was here, I would allow her to ride the ride, but I was, as a caring parent, I would walk watching her till she gets to the end of it

2:45:40 And so what I did, Joel, he was looking at me like you are. I said, no, let's just go slow. that's, I want to support you through that process. When that happened, Joe, I was like, we're empathetic toward each other yeah never. I don't dismiss anyone what they're feeling, man. They're so good because it gave them purpose and it gave them something to focus on where

2:49:13 autistic who excel at martial arts because of that very reason interesting particularly jujitsu and then not to dismiss it. It, you know, I've seen it work, man. It just changes our kids. It just does, you know. just me teaching him my breathing techniques he was able to sit still after just two minutes mind, I'm too busy thinking of other things instead of what was the most important thing was my

2:52:11 be successful and you got to help him with his discipline and everything else. to be equal with my profession. Just have fun. in front of us you just enjoy your time there you go yeah yeah and so that's what i, my man, to see men take hold of that. And it's humbling when a man listens to me. gives them the confidence and they don't condemn themselves like they're just messing up.

2:54:33 Don't say, man, I should have did this. Thank you. You know, I started, became able to really walk out in what I believe in, started helping Thank you very much. Thank you, Joe. I appreciate you, man. For sure. Thank you very much.