Joe Rogan Experience #1693 — Evan Hafer Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. It is coffee, but I just grabbed it because it was here. Good to see you. Maybe just the name. Well, when people were attacking you, I got butt hurt. It didn't even make sense. about me. Uh, but I think, I think there's just such a mistrust with mainstream media and that's being put out about yourself did it start with the new york times article yeah i so what was the the

2:42 And we didn't, so to rewind, we knew this story was going down Do you guys want to sit for the interview? story, I'll at least give them the opportunity to be objective and then really take a look at the company from the inside. That wasn't in the article at all? like what's happening along the lines of the psychological and physical article that I would have loved to have had in the article, but they didn't. I'm not riding it,

7:09 capitalize on after you put in a fuck ton of hard work well i've known you guys for years and i knew that in the way that they view the world, that this is the way they wanted to view the company. which is, you know, we'll sleep when you're dead, you know, toughen up, you know, there's, not only the best interest So probably year two, two and a half, I hadn't taken any money out of the company because I am a capitalist at the end of the day.

10:47 but we have $36,000 of credit card debt and there's nothing left to sell. And not only to be that economically challenged for those many years, I've always been able And there's no way for people to get a small snapshot in time No. truly think that it was uh as objective as that guy can be because that's the way he views the and phrases that they changed,

13:51 They're the people outside of my wife and my children, the company, is shitting on their fans and throwing their business away. And I was like, what? Yeah. which I thought was like, nobody likes those people. I don't even think they like themselves, Kyle Rittenhouse. Yeah. When he was standing in the kitchen with Ricky Schroeder after he got released,

17:10 And I think, you know, that's been unpacked so many times. And I was like, one, I don't think it's ethically appropriate to profit from this event in any way. which was we hadn't sponsored him. the first take the first take is black rifle coffee shits on their fans and then Twitter influencers as fact. which is also a problem, right? I identify as that guy.

20:15 There's no room for them. Racism, anti-Semitism, xenophobia, all those things are associated with it. I say that, the Afghan army right after our invasion in, I believe it was like October and missions. The guy has breached more doors for the United States than most of the special operations So my business partner and I, we kept in contact with a lot of the Afghans and we heard that he had been killed in an ambush. One day, this guy pings us on Facebook and says, Hey guys, it's Wally. I'm in Baltimore. And we're like, whatever. Are you serious?

23:29 Let's go. Like they're all coming here. the attorneys that is required for that to walk them through the process. They've got to test and the human aspects of it. so I see that shit and I'm like, well, you fucking idiots. It's like so incredible on one end. of the conservatives to jump on a bandwagon like that has such an impeccable reputation as yours can get smeared online in this weird climate.

28:25 like, you know, bombs dropped on Syria. Just pulled the baggie out and chucked it in the car while he's frisking this guy. And then all throughout the internet like look at this evidence of this cop planting this fucking baggie in this guy's car It's a bad way to go back and forth. They want a connection with people. in this really strange predicament as a country where people are feeling isolated and alone and they're connected to their electronic devices more than they ever have been. But it's it's a toxic environment if you're trying to connect with people in a when I say a negative way and then band together and then enhance that emotion once again.

32:13 and most of the communication was through text. like what better way than a virus can kill your grandma, right? but it's almost like if you had a super intelligent robot that was like, we got to figure out a way They don't know how to handle being uncomfortable. It's like the worst way to communicate ever. pass off and pontificate or opine about something so significant that's going to change society.

35:32 back to New York City, that this is how we're going to revitalize the city. This is a city that We're gonna have street performances and these people are dancing and it's it's and I just wrote how the fuck is this real? This is like, this has pulled the curtain back. to watch. and I'm like, We need a recovery that brings back the life and the heart and the energy of this city

38:07 But we'll come back strong in 2021. as they recover from the pandemic. And this is the same guy that just passed this fucking law in New York City where you And what about the people working in the restaurants? What about all these? don't have vaccines and now you're precluding them from going to gyms and restaurants. Jamie, I'll send this to you now.

40:38 the comedy store a vaccinated comedian gave covid to like 12 different fucking people at the comedy store. Some of them vaccinated, some of them not. Try finding that story anywhere the time because you see these guys are wearing their masks for the camera, but then they take Or he's going to tone it down to 600 because of the pandemic. And people read right through that shit.

43:35 No. smaller government to me, right? There's multiple reasons why people classify themselves as that. where they feel like they have a better interest in running their life than they do. They can just tell you to shut the fuck up, do what I say, and you have to. Don't have a vaccine? They don't understand history. government that actually worked. And he created the greatest superpower the world's ever known.

47:08 they close borders. the idea of a breakthrough 78%. You don't have to do something complicated. treatment than it is a vaccine, really, if you look at it. hilarious that people won't try on skepticism in general. Like they need to be more skeptical. was an incredible leader, incredible history. But it struck me, there's one chapter in the books 400 square reservation,

51:08 in the late 1800s, how we need to be pushed to ask more questions and we deserve more answers. And we have to hold and confused because man, I'm confused. Yeah. Like this is confusing as shit. The CDC releases Honestly openly and it's that's why they're thriving. Yeah, it's why CNN like some of their shows there and anti-vaxxers and all these other people have banded together.

54:35 We want more of your tax dollars. invent and sensationalize a bunch of horse shit in order to try to get eyeballs which man it's There should almost be like some sort of overview they could figure out a way to paint it in a way or to portray it in a way And there's so many people out there that loved when he would say shit. He called a lady he had sex with horse face

57:31 It's not a uniting voice, right? something wild and and then it happened and then people are to burn the building down that's barely america barely yeah portland is like some crazy socialist There was a photo on CNN where they were talking about mostly peaceful protests. Like, that's awesome. again, it's one of the things that's happening in this country that these people don't understand

1:01:15 and we need to burn it to the ground and start from scratch. be. It's irresponsible. It's irrational. Uh, and from both sides, when you think about how far this country has come, and if I go on my pro-America rant here for a second, which is we built something so incredible that we should be so proud of everything that we've done in the last couple hundred years and that we're continuing to evolve the system and make the country better.

1:02:42 we should be like high-fiving each other going, guys is free we've done a pretty good job and i'm not saying it's not it's not perfect right to live here and i don't look at it as a negative in any regard. And I think there's a section of our country that looks at it where they're like, where So it wears me out with this narrative and I get really pissed off and a little bit angry when I hear people trashing, especially United States citizens, when they're saying about the United States being this horrible

1:05:10 And you're like, what? What are you saying? Like literally, we are flying A bit about the Grand Canyon, about people saying you have to see it. It's one of the beautiful things about this country is that you have the freedom to express yourself. And things. You're going to have a real, and it's going to be quick, quick and ugly and horrific. o'clock in the morning, and a flashlight while you're in your parents basement with a muzzle at

1:08:54 Jocko, like bad mofos. So I don't get, you know, my head cut off with a couple other guys as we're trying to sneak around and look for ISIS, right? man, They don't understand that you have given them the freedom because of your dedication It's like, freedom's like a big buffet, right? have to take it all and some people they feel disenfranchised and they want to go right to the

1:11:30 Well, I think a lot of it is just because they're not, they're not living up to their full potential, That's what it is. I know look, you know if it was easy to just be Hey, way to be lazy. I was talking to one of my buddies gunfight tell me that story oh so here's here's a great story. And now that I did the key up for it. So I've been working in Afghanistan, Iraq for several years, and I'm, I'm pretty comfortable with just trying to pick a gunfight. Like, I'm okay with it. Like, I'll go out and pick a gunfight. Fuck them. I'm gonna go like wreck some people. I don't give a shit. At that point in my life, I really didn't give a shit. Didn't have any kids. I was single.

1:14:40 morning drinking like kool-aid and and rice wine, just getting blind drunk, can't thank everybody enough for that because not only as you said and look for gunfights. That was me. Yeah. And you need everybody. You need them all. We need You sought out adventure. It's not it's not the the main thing that we should be focused on but it is the thing There's people next door that are totally different than us.

1:18:15 you should be very, very wary and very cautious of that thing. I am liberal in every social way. I remember going to the supermarket and my parents buying food stamps. I have a dedication to this idea that all social programs like welfare and food stamps, all those things, it's not all bad. I have no problem with it. all those core issues that make a person a progressive.

1:21:08 my whole fucking life. I have a in discipline and I believe that if you give people a way out of things and you let them weasel their way through things and find excuses And there's a lot of, we're very fortunate. that help people get out of bad situations. and during the pandemic, that a lot of people did not feel like they belong on one side or the other.

1:23:32 Like I think that partisanship and tribal shit that we're experiencing right now is I just think I'm homeless. you know, dig your way out this motherfucker's got it on lock they got it locked up they got it locked up i That's your girl Like, I loved it. that wields probably the single most influential female politician in america came out and called a military officer a Russian asset.

1:27:04 especially a veteran, right? Like it was astounding to me that they would let that happen from a person of power. It's like like a week ago. We were talking on the phone. She's still active and she is Look, if you think that Russia would rather have her in place than Hillary Clinton or all these other fucking lifelong politicians. That's a hilarious notion.

1:29:26 that is a huge mistake because a lot of people that I know have anxiety issues. They have issues That's America. Yeah, it's right. I have friends that are liberal. I think you have those extremes holding the center hostage in America because they're loud, this country so incredible. Uh, we, in my neighborhood, for instance, my neighborhoods are like, you know, my, my neighbors are very liberal and, uh, all of our kids play together.

1:33:25 good idea. Where'd you get that generator? Like who's the solar panel company that you're working They're just like, that's a really good idea. a gun oh yeah guys who i i were friend was friends with in la and i've had other friends that they Three months later, as the pandemic's kicking off he's like I'm like, what is the difference? Like, is it just the fact that it's semi-automatic? Like, what is, what's the thing that drives you crazy? And it's a political thing. It's like, ARs have been demonized in the news to the point where people look at a magazine that has, you know, X amount of bullets, and they go, why do you need so many bullets?

1:37:18 but i like it yeah when you need it it comes in handy and it's also fun it's freedom right it's like people ask me that my recreation It's life-saving equipment. I mean, I have a range and right here in San Antonio, of where you were born no justifiable data that can tell me why I should not be able to have this well I There's a meme that I have on my phone.

1:40:35 Oh, it's from my friend Lando. Like, be the America Hong Kong thinks you are. Wouldn't that change? that Rome was falling before it fell. and that was like one of the signs was like, like second grade education, right? And the average weapons system Because politicians and the political In this country, we don't want dictators. We don't want someone who passes some sweeping law that changes the way you're allowed to do business or the way you're allowed to act.

1:44:55 kind of see this this this conversation at least that I'm always trying to ask who that person is you know I do not know even like somebody you just like just a fucking coffee company, you know, right? A coffee company that is a right-wing, military If anybody wanted to, I mean, if you really, but the system is so rigged in terms of the debates and in terms of the coverage that you would get from mainstream media.

1:47:27 I don't believe you. is that you no longer really need the mainstream media. And I haven't really even put so much thought into it. That's what they want to do. Gray thing that it is like bouncing around in my head and this fucking open hole that makes noises Humans are messy. There's like that's a that's a progressive term. And like one thing I've kind of gone through,

1:51:25 text. He's like, ah, if you wrestle with pigs, you're going to get dirty. I'm like, yeah, exactly. plus people that work at Black Rifle and to care for people, to be a good human and to be and all the veterans out there to just fucking push every day because Joe was talking about it on one of the shows and I am a hundred percent recovered. I no that have been physically and mentally altered

1:54:58 I think if I think about it too much, then it'll fuck with my head. So I just do what I do. But I they need love too, man. get them? You're going to make some 16-year-old kid feel bad? Hey, you fucking loser. I'm a winner, It's a waste of time. Oh my God. That's the human experience. I've made a lot of mistakes, but that's also why I'm so successful is because I've taken a lot of

1:57:40 I work hard at it. I fuck this up sometimes. What I'm saying or a bit look at it in the most uncharitable way way. You can try to change what I'm saying or look martial arts or being a dad or doing a podcast or doing stand-up. But I think if I thought about it too much, I worry about that. I've never felt better. I'm the same way. and for me, and it's a great audio book too.

2:01:19 I'm like, this motherfucker's got the most popular podcast in the world. That's why I reached out to you when people were talking shit about you. you know, whether it's like Cam or, what the fuck? and I focus on what's really important. It's concentric rings of importance. He was up before daylight. You know, those people depend on me directly impacting their lives in a positive way.

2:03:48 an impact, like my legacy is not something that I'm thinking about on a regular basis. You know, His name is Clint Trial. Clint is my example in this, but that guy during COVID was having a hard time, and I think we my peer group every day where I know I because I sell brown water, caffeinated brown water that is create a sarcophagus of gold for myself, right? I can't take the shit with me. I don't care.

2:08:42 It's having a social connection with people. financial performance. Like I don't even like finance guys. You know what I like? I like being It's like, hey, we shouldn't be invading other countries You missed the story. And life is way more interesting than that. It's a problem with the Washington Post. They've all given in to the expectations. You fuck up their message.

2:12:41 And he said, like, listen, the guy is Genghis Khan. really felt that that that needed to be talked about no it's like you're talking to a guy as an and you have this guy who is arguably one of the greatest warriors It's crazy. there's a way, it's probably a way to have that conversation. It's probably a way to say And maybe that guy fucked up who wrote the story

2:15:03 He said it was icky. It's a fictional character, dummy. Yeah. I showed that to He's like, Yeah, fuck, that's an amazing movie. Right? So, even that And most of them are good. It happens way too often. Yes, you do. but this is some like defund the police Top three comedians outside of you. Really? were possible. If you judge someone on their body of work, it's like of all time, all time, I go with

2:19:35 That was just fucking brilliantly hilarious that changed where sam got hit by a car and he had a serious brain injury and then was a wild motherfucker to the conversation of comedy that hadn't existed before. Yeah, he's back. He's fucking amazing. Today if he got busted today Not like, hey, do you mind if I jerk off? is like this sort of self-loathing,

2:22:39 because all of us, Yeah, Ricky Gervais. saying like i think the guy writes incredible shit yeah he's brilliant and when i watch you I feel like a blue collar guy. And it speaks to my DNA for whatever reason. It's the same with you, right? It's like any show that I've been to with you is like super fucking, it's hilarious. It's like bent over, funny, awesome.

2:24:56 they're like what the fuck did he just say that like that's part of the fun for me part of the yeah that he operates in for The Tonight Show and David Letterman and these specials where he could do. Does he really? I have never done that. And it was like a thing where like, hey, man, Dice Clay's here. And he wants to do 40 minutes in front of you. And then all of a sudden, Dave Chappelle shows up.

2:29:14 comedy clubs will You just... Or if I'm going to do a show, It depends. And I'm not asking you to divulge your friends, but I'm like, We just did two nights at the MGM. thinking about booking too but i don't know what the fuck is going to happen with all these variants But you have to have family time, man. And then I said I had to go to work. time with friends and loved ones and and you gotta spend time alone too man yeah

2:33:22 Like I remember when my 13 year old-old, when she was like five, because of that people know me and like you see the little wheels spinning and it took years for He's a loser. I'm I'm trying to I'm try to as much as I can I'm locked in with them. I'm, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, as much as I can, I'm locked in with them. I'm, You've got to have a good time with these kids.

2:35:28 But I remember that longing as a kid yeah and I I directly plug into my children because of that and nothing else nothing else exists this chain. I'm going to, I'm going to recognize that this is, this is what was done to me. And And my dad was, like I said, he's a great guy. Like I never miss a hug. I have to give them more because there's a portion of my peer group that don't have that.

2:38:09 and my emotional obligation to my kids. mentality to the point where I'm just like, I'm very appreciative. I'm so appreciative of I don't even have Twitter on my phone. Good. I don't care a shit about what's going on online. I don't even have Twitter on my phone. Like this time right now is really fucking cool because there's so many funny people. two arenas this weekend. And, uh, I don't think she's ever done a crowd like that before either.

2:40:55 That's bananas. it's so overwhelming. It doesn't seem real. And I guess you could get overwhelmed by it, Which is more difficult if you're filming a special, so you know that you're on camera, It's not good to do one show because you're too aware that it's a show that you're filming. So when I get on stage, I know if I fuck this show up. I got three other barrels in the chamber

2:44:16 feel tense. So that's the key and it costs extra money to do it that way. But if you can afford it, It's always through shows. They're just locked in. so are you going back through and you're listening to every one of your bits from start to finish the day where he would bring a fucking tape recorder on stage like a set recorder and record Like out of nowhere, out of the gods, the muse just bestowed upon you a new idea.

2:47:36 Like discipline is like running miles with a fucking weight vest on. and the audience has a great time, They never feel that. less than 20. out of 330 million people in this country there's less than 20 people that could Who else wants to? who has made the transition to like more movie star or Kevin Hart yeah yeah he's Well, he's done a few, but there's one real recently when they did a scan of the crowd where you see him on stage and you see the whole crowd.

2:51:32 That's he's he's right up there really most discipline of all time. Yeah, man, but he does everything he's got multiple businesses We did one of these big crazy shows and be a lot of fun but that would be incredible yeah like that'd be fun if you guys went to miami and we were doing these outside shows at the Stubbs Amphitheater. ride this out i did seriously yeah i did one weekend in houston in like july and i was like

2:54:03 Let's do some shows. We've been friends for, I met Dave when he was 19. holding up a box of ribbons I'm like what are you guys doing He's an amazing person. which is the Chappelle show was shared and watched Of all time. in the special operations community? I'm Rick James, bitch! I'm rich, bitch! And he linked up with Matt and Jared, And everybody was like,

2:58:13 Next time Bill comes to Austin Yeah. Oh, he dumps them and slams them down. So they're not really geared in or connected to grandfather, my father's side came over from Ireland. I'm three quarters Italian. So most, And they were very tame in comparison to their grandparents who literally rode around on the rule of the King of England. Before that, they were running from barbarians. Before

3:02:06 At the end of the day. That was the Eddie Murphy bit. I think it's a public thing. it's like, I always, yeah. you know, I'd be like, oh my God, yeah, I'm super shocked. Like, keep them calm. entire um an entire section dedicated to servicing our needs, wouldn't that be great? Because then we would be like less hostile just in general. That's what's scary to me.

3:04:59 We have to figure out how to be nice to each other so we like to be around each other some ways and the balancing act between the yin and the yang the male and the And when you see each other, you want to hug each other. They never experience that. I love this man Now I think they have a better