Joe Rogan Experience #1696 — Lex Fridman Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. What's in the box, man? I was going to bring it here, but I thought this is the wrong. And whenever marketing people get in the way of engineering, I'm out. There's an excitement when Marshall looks at you and looks away and then looks at you again. where humans it's too dangerous for humans so you want a robot to do the work so that you

2:42 You have to understand the mind of humans. So I asked for permission to on video touch a spot. Telling them, the Boston Dynamics folks, that made them very nervous. But they're like, is there some evil thing he's going to do? I don't know. It's like in the gray area between industry and consumer. This is why, sorry to interrupt, why Tesla, I'm a huge fan of what Elon is doing. He's

6:17 There's zero advertisements for Tesla, There's constant ads. interesting to analyze them right like are all the memes about doge useful or are they are they That sounds crazy. the flamethrower not a flamethrower the reason why he created the new Model S in all spaces of leadership. I see in I see in politics, like, I don't know, So one of the crazy things they're doing that I never thought would be possible is to use vision only for their FSD, for their autopilot, meaning cameras only.

10:26 And the fact that they're doing so much more successfully than I would expect is quite incredible from an AI perspective. and then redeploys a smarter version. you deploy them and the time between versions is like years. you deploy a system that's not perfect So to train neural networks or AI systems, you have to have specialized hardware. They don't want to use GPUs and computers from somebody else they want to have that in-house so the whole thing it's

13:21 of the ships that catch the rockets. brilliant guy so he's just gonna sit there and write is that how king does it he locks himself which is why many people avoid it. It's training the mind to, like, that's how you get things done. He doesn't have a Wi-Fi connection in a laptop that he uses that he writes on. If you had a typewriter, They just have a notebook and then write longhand for that reason too.

16:20 And there's a different challenge to be able to use the internet effectively often audio books, that kind of thing. think about how long ago that guy lived and you know how applicable some of his thoughts are today And so you're traveling with him to that concentration camp, and you're there. by a journalist like Sebastian Younger and in Afghanistan while Afghanistan is falling to the

19:13 I don't think you really understand it until you watch that film, until you really see afghanistan now i sound like brian callen afghanistan Just the chaos at the airport. It's fucked. That's the real question. How do you help? But he's having fun. Well, the one sort of sophisticated criticism there was, well, what the hell do you do about it? people say, maybe

23:06 That's interesting. And then ultimately it's not successful. like what what was what was that for well we got into that war under false pretenses And minerals and all sorts of natural resources, right? many regimes that are abusing its people there. Then there's people that criticize Russia for obvious war on the horizon then that's different but everything else that's the case then why aren't

26:44 They execute them for, you know, almost no reason. or invasion of North Korea is an invasion of China. Yeah. Yeah, a nuke, but even less than that like orchestrated orchestrated Misfits need love too. what I'm seeing in the documentary who, I don't know, maybe they'd resolve Yeah, I don't think so. It's really well done. Yeah, Fred Brennan. he said, I think it was in the first episode, he says something like, you know, he is disabled

31:07 because I think people say things online It becomes a fun game of toxicity. That's what the documentary is implying from the very beginning. I mean, the way they're lying at all. It's interesting. We have a different perspective That guy's a trip. He keeps saying that. with some combination of bots and just individual. You're telling beautiful stories,

34:20 the son yeah Watkins yeah I don't like his glasses why does he get we notice different things because I'm looking tape on the glasses yeah it's literally from revenge of the nerds right in the movie revenge And nerds think in a very, computer programmers think in a very functional way. I don't know. It's a good thing It's just the way they're communicating.

36:38 That's a dumb way to leak information. And this is just – they don't have, like like a very clear place where they fit into the puzzle I really honestly think that if you look at the spread of the people in the world, I'm not saying 100%, but I'm saying like, there's a population of 60, 70% that, I mean, they're not And so what we're calling misfits, you're a misfit.

39:25 And I think when I say misfits, a lot of these folks, I don't think they have many conversations with objective, intelligent people that are well-informed. Because he's got the Q shirt on and Trump always has 17. but the 17 is odd. And he's been on the podcast a couple times. we played it I could send it to you if you want I have it saved in my phone but

42:12 But in the film, he's talking about how he has Q-level clearance. I was personally exposed to CIA operations and recruited by CIA personnel I think we missed the beginning of it, where he said that he personally witnessed the CIA And this was when Clinton was president. You need to talk to him or somebody like him. reeves is as well right he's out of yeah roger he's just got out yeah roger he's got arrested

45:34 He's been with his wife through that whole thing. like that like california i forgot yeah he can travel freely yeah well he um i don't know all So he was just flying the coke in coke and weed in large amounts back and forth. from being shot. So you have to do Everybody speaks really highly of him. 100%. So you're getting cocaine that's been stepped on, cocaine that has things like fentanyl in it that's causing people to overdose.

49:12 Like, I'm not interested in cocaine, but I think cocaine should be legal. We talked to dr. Carl Hart. Have you ever had him on your show? And he talks about heroin too, right? and they take them on a regular basis? and then jordan peterson went through hell because of benzodiazepines. Holy shit. But in 2019, it's quite a bit less. But in 2016, it's 66.5.

52:54 those numbers. Yeah. Fentanyl is, what is it, something like 100 times stronger than heroin? of tuned my mind to well they were aware that billions and billions of dollars illegality, you scaled it down. I always like to scale things down to a preposterous number. because he gets violent would you wouldn't you don't let Lex drink because he gets violent. Would you?

55:17 He is a friendly drunk. and you want to go across the street to 7-Eleven and kick somebody's ass, the problem is the Yeah. September 1st you two together yeah he is He spent a lot of time on the internet. It makes you happy to be part of this civilization because that thing exists. We need weirdos. Yes. Yeah. millions of dollars and he's also been given millions and millions of dollars by all sorts of

59:14 So he speaks like semi-location in English. Because I have the same kind of leap you have to take Now, I'm biased a little bit, So you can't fuck with the words as much the the the way the russian language works Because humor is a way to escape pain. even shooting way farther back Tolstoy. So there's a history of literature being used to communicate that pain

1:02:54 And America dominates the world in university education. But in terms of high school, you're afraid the way i'm afraid when i go to a hard training session for jujitsu like beforehand Just there was just a poetry. how much I'm losing that I can't speak Chinese or Japanese or Portuguese. I'm sure you saw the John Cena video where he was apologizing to China.

1:05:52 And either they're in a jail somewhere or who the fuck knows. Yeah, but so first of all, the surveillance is not perfect. I'm going to put them on paper, and I'm going to write some of the greatest literature, some of the greatest poetry ever written. China is getting stronger and stronger. Yeah, but they have illegal songs. because they need to track you for covid 19 or covid 23 or whatever

1:10:10 So if it was a vaccine passport for polio, okay. Or the measles, okay. But you're talking about We don't know. Yeah. That's the benefits to risks it seems to me that the vaccine has the best benefit to risk ratio so in terms of Open up the society. And then there's the issues of side effects of vaccines and whether or not they're fully understood. Well, have you ever Googled like the lawsuits that are involved in the judgments against the various companies that have built these vaccines?

1:13:51 It's a huge amount of money. There's a lot of arguments to be – like there was a lot of interesting arguments about gain-of-function research for a long time. I like him, but there's something shady about the way he communicates about stuff. able to tweet and the the freedom period to choose the path in life for most of the people in the United States, that's science and technology.

1:16:52 also a problem with people like him where they say things they say these statements yeah these uh that masks are ineffective. Right, and I'm allergic to this Fauci certainly is he's he is as if he is bringing down the Ten Commandments Well, he's also been, he's used to communicating for most of his career without the internet. need now, or certainly a great leader. And what we need now is a great leader to communicate

1:19:58 that they've done, like out of Argentina and a few other places where they did it with frontline Or at least studied as a serious alternative. Well, we don't know. The point is they're free to just say, Yeah, that is a real problem, right? proceed forward and then government kind of uh continues uh wanting to gain more and more power Well, there's the other problem is that as soon as there's a crisis, then the government

1:23:16 stores roped off where you can't go into them because they're non-essential areas of a store. They want to keep people in their houses. of your ability to travel and your whereabouts. My parents have been vaccinated. It's hard. Lambda variant that supposedly is immune to the vaccine. Yeah. So you're going to get this kind it's happening right now the thing is it's like you're not it's not a it is affecting you but

1:26:45 Right. Yeah. It's like you get into these weird conversations with people It's going to take a while to really sort through all the data and figure out whether masks were an effective solution, If it was done correctly, there's plenty of data on vaccines. But there's also, very importantly, whatever the fuck long COVID is I don't even like saying that

1:30:24 a push for health a push for people to change their diet and start a rigorous exercise routine. And there's no push for this at all. The only thing you can do is take a shot. be a good time to do this now, now that we realize that we're in a health crisis. That'd be interesting. It's a good plug for exercise and diet and just metabolic health, Very interesting study.

1:33:24 He's been doing a lot of that. Yeah, they did it at a university. But he proved it. Because we know for a fact that it does have an impact on your immune system. He's a wild man. W. He's a wild man. He's a wild man. something which until then was thought impossible. Voluntary activation of the sympathetic nervous system, Yeah, I typed in Wittenhoff study, you know, and this is the top thing that popped up.

1:36:32 They don't usually like – Some of that is mental, right? I was just showing you the E. coli part of this up here. starting one hour before administration of LPS until discharge from the intensive care unit And you know he was a yoga instructor so he's been a yogi before that. it to me you know what I mean like if you if you show a white belt an arm bar

1:40:00 There's a Hicks and Gracie black belt. I tend to believe basically almost anybody can become that. and there's guys that just aren't going to make it. And Donahue doesn't take days off, so they don't take days off either. Yeah, I love Gabe. Does he really have an OnlyFans account? for Craig's OnlyFans account but here it is he looks You could touch his body.

1:43:15 for you on the personal level but he uh so i really i love training with him can't wait to Like through technique dominating an opponent. so is not artistic but like a choke is? defensive game you have to understand the entirety of the systems to defend but to be a master at There's hand fighting i mean that's the way craig talks Did you see the Derek Lewis-Cyril Ghosn fight?

1:46:46 He's bouncing like Wonderboy, like bouncing like this the entire fight, There's no question he is the best moving heavyweight I've ever seen. I mean, his movement in terms of closing the distance is spectacular. everything that happened inside the octagon was spectacular that's art it Derek Lewis has the atomic. And that's what makes the fight so interesting.

1:49:25 He understands pummeling. Oh, that was for the heavyweight championship. just decide, oh, the negotiations I think it was November or something like that. Yeah, five. Like Caleb Plant and Canelo Alvarez, they've been dancing back and forth as to whether or not they're supposed to fight. But ultimately, you're a champion in the UFC, which is huge. They just want to see the fight too.

1:52:21 The interim thing is weird. Right, exactly. And the fighter only has a small window of opportunity. I've never seen a heavyweight move like him. He's my favorite. they get extremely passionate uh who do you think is better messy by far moment right here? That was just not in the top five for me. they're like, what the fuck did I just watch? He's taken them to the final a bunch of times but never won.

1:56:28 And I was thinking, who is that for MMA? much more danger in terms of one-punch strikers. But the argument could be made that Anderson And it's very subjective, obviously, whether it's Anderson or whether it's Jon Jones losses, but Michael Johnson knocked out Dustin Poirier with one punch. Michael Johnson was a It's arguable that Mighty Mouse is. like the

1:59:15 that's same as Messi Aldo fight it's there's so much that leads there's so much that has to has to be in motion for you to be a conor mcgregor and for you to be a conor mcgregor that has the kind of balls to like tear up jose By the way, Conor last year, highest paid athlete, Messi second. And then Messi is straight up, straight up poor performance.

2:00:49 And he just got, it's really heartbreaking, he just got transferred from the team he's been with for 20, 21 years in Barcelona. That's a little bit probably why they couldn't afford him anymore. Even after 20 years, he's still at the peak of his performance. and he pushed it aside, and he picked up a bottle of water and said, Four billion. like really happy with all those a baller right not no ball in like the in

2:03:33 I think there's a lot of drugs. in Argentina is Argentinian moments of genius Yeah, in November. Down, down, down, down. but he knocked the ball into goal with his hand. It was in the 70s. Yeah, that's true. unforgettable There's a kick. that was it It might even be like forearm kind of. and dribbles past everybody else and scores the goal. I don't know.

2:06:57 Well, they have legalized sports betting in New York now, right? They're planning Is it coming to New York? But they have passed weed, I read, and it's still not, you can't buy it yet. You have to be GPS located where it... professionally to supplement his comedy how to play the game and he plays it prudently. This is awesome. Yeah. Incredible. Brock Lesnar when he was – I think he was thinking about coming back.

2:10:13 So he can go back to school, dominate NCAA, get a couple titles if he can. He can get paid paid. Oh, so all the stuff that used to That's fucked. If you want to be pure, let's be pure all the way. So first of all, I came on the Joe Rogan Experience Unless they're Olympics. Unless they're on in this case Did you really What about golf? It only became exciting because the last 2016, they had a run,

2:12:59 It doesn't look like fighting. When you've got a guy who's elite at that but then learns the other things, I mean, go down the list of all. hips or something like that that allows them to learn how to hit hard quickly some of them some the way he would chain takedown attempts. He dominated everybody else. Yeah, or maybe. Magomed Khabib Kadimagomedov.

2:16:55 Yeah, you'd have to. So I think it's two and one. Because of Donahue, because of Flo Grappling coming here, Duncan's moving here. And then tech, too. And it's a way for people that don't really have good positions I know a lot of the cool people I know in tech are moving here, I mean, the wild people, people the crazies the dreamers the people that

2:20:31 Or in Los Angeles, same thing. He has radical influence on innovation, radical, in terms of electric cars, huge fan of a lot of people and actually you're one of the people that taught me that is it's I'd be like, he's a shit. It's very difficult to do, to innovate. You got a list there of a bunch of shit. We're back? Is that tequila? It's still my...

2:23:51 Or scotch? if I do sauna before I come here, I always drink way too much fucking water. and they come up with excuses. I see. physically like tangibly hotter in this little I'm just kidding. Love that guy. somebody who were talking about wrestling somebody texted me because I And I said, Scent of a Woman is better than John Wick. I used to use that.

2:27:12 You and I are not going to vibe. And I remember seeing that. And then I watched that movie and I remember thinking, he wrote true romance yes he did write true true romance and that's probably yeah because you don't i mean you talk about that with fighting but fighting is a very different And just even to think this way, that you would walk away at the peak of your greatness.

2:29:07 that was a little bit sad to me. It was so clear that he was, it was like a fantasy movie, but it was so obvious that he was doing it for money. Be careful. Who is that? I always wonder about that. Like you haven't interviewed Clint Eastwood. Except I've been pursuing Lil Nas X. and then he went full gay, But the music is great, too. Well, he licked a demon's nipples, right?

2:31:44 I don't know. I forget. I forget. I need to watch it again. But it's a demon. Is that a demon or the devil? I don't know. Yeah, both. I don't want to speak out of turn too much, but I think, isn't there did a duet. Or a normalized part of rap. One of the greatest, Brian Callen. and talk to them for two hours, three hours, but there's not many interviews of him.

2:34:29 The Boxer or whatever movie he's done. in the way exceptional people think. I don't need to talk to them about their specific discipline. Partially, I've been thinking about this because I have to interview probably. You're going to interview him? And either way, it's COVID. Canada has the same problem. And it can go back to square one any day really terrifying thing of

2:37:19 What do you get? I don't know. a lot of people on Xanax bro I know a lot of people on that shit I know a lot Well, it helps then. I love it. the way i got uh thank you to to the to the great jamie for um sending me into outer space with the Those fucking crazy assholes. Are you smoking it? That's how I sold him on it. I guess there's different benzos.

2:41:13 you add these together and you're going to get close to like 100 million, Is there any data on using Ibogaine to get off of benzodiazepine? Not in America. psychedelics but never in the context of um trying them to uh them to cure his current situation. What? So Jim Keller is, I think, the brother of Jordan's wife. I think it's like months or years.

2:44:17 No, I don't think so. it's a struggle wow i he's an important human being so i hope he's with us he's the one of Very nice person. espousing ideas that are controversial but just him as a person like my my time spent with him say is that you know they'll they'll see me and see like i talk kind of slow and and uh look like You should compete for who's number one.

2:48:04 I would love to do that. But my be amazing. I would love to do that. intense workouts struggle a little bit i've noticed that but you're talking let's that's The way I want to do jiu-jitsu is not like the skinny friend, He makes his own pizzas. maybe something to be said for that but there's also something to be said for pure pure obsession like pure focus where your your whole life is about this one thing

2:50:23 That can be too much. training yeah if you're listening to your body if you're doing it correctly if not the greatest, and most certainly the champion So he's in real pain. the things I want to do. I can train pretty hard. 80 do you see yourself still getting on the mat maybe playing around with some stuff maybe just controlled and perfect technique and you know it's his precision and his technique are so excellent

2:54:50 You know, that's the real bad one. And everybody that I know that develops like real spinal problems, tingling of the nerves, you know, that's the shit that really doesn't go away. So one of them is the foot locks. and start learning these ways. Phenomenal. Right. you know, like Dean Lister, how to pass the guard. So you're not entering into the guard and then from there passing.

2:57:53 His idea is like, why not? And when Craig got a hold of him, you could see he was lost. they've created an amazing level in case anyone's wondering, for a certain number of years. And then he's probably got another four or five more years after that where he can maintain stem cells. There's some treatments that are effective. which is just fucking crazy.

3:00:44 Yeah. There's no reason for me when i write some shit down i know i have to do it there's no reason for me to But like I was telling you offline, I'm enjoying the go-to is run and then body weight, push-ups and pull-ups. And there's a mental aspect to it, just putting your body in strain. and they think that it's like one of the best exercises for stabilizing the knee.

3:03:06 because everything's already broken down everything's already broken down and then i just Yeah. okay okay What is it? So right now, I kind of decided like this, to play Hendrix here, But if you're performing a serious thing, it doesn't feel right here. Yeah, he played What It's Like, yeah. I mean, if I was, because, so here's the, okay. know yeah exactly but to perform it like loose and fully in it that requires like you have to

3:06:27 Do like a live performance? Because we're talking, okay, there's several things. Is that what they did? Yeah. Drug use and violence, but it's always worked for me. There's something to Hendrix's It's like a drug. Yeah. you know there's like there's a quality to his voice when he was saying that where dude too to Hay Castle's Made of Sand. Because Janis Joplin was another one.

3:11:43 And one of the things they said about Hendrix's headband, he would put acid. But isn't that how Albert Hoffman eventually, or originally rather, got intoxicated with LSD when he was synthesizing it in a lab? Playing the Star Spangled Banner with your teeth. When he was performing Live Aid or something like that. Yeah. And then they sing it and then he goes back and forth.

3:14:20 That's another guy that died too soon. Well, everyone's life is too short, right? Yeah. He's still taking big risks and all that kind of stuff. Like even the Stones, nobody wants to see. about their new releases in general they're nostalgic for their the stuff say and do it when millions of people give a shit about what you have to say it's not easy to do

3:17:40 But you have a good sense of humility and the significance of humility. the world of podcasting in general who's fucking done it the hilarious thing is you're looking And then when you get, if you're super successful, you're talking about 1,000, 10,000 employees. But I don't think I can perform at my best unless, and even, here's the problem. and I think if you live a life without challenges,

3:21:18 and he works an eight hour a day job yeah yeah that is the quietest form of inspiration is cam haines because he's not And if you can gaze into it and just separate yourself from your – grinding and i think it's a performance i think it's like a it's a wild form of art because it's But I always do. don't don't think don't think stop thinking thinking is dumb yeah just do it and yeah that

3:24:01 And I've realized that if you quit once even on a small thing like that opens the door And for months after, I realized I just gave myself an out. I was like, this is right. Most people don't run 22 miles. Right. I was thinking of going a lot longer. and water He's got the Guinness Book of World Records for sitting in an ice bath. Like, how close are you to the...

3:27:32 Is this after? He's doing dips and shit. My neighbor is a professional country musician, John Wolf. Isn't it great? Oh, well, let's train. I can't believe I just even... Bluebird, you know the poem? in my heart that wants to get out. But I, let me take it. Pour whiskey on him and inhale You want to blow my book sales in Europe? I weep all the time.

3:30:46 whenever there's a good it's an honor to be your friend keep it together, bitches.