Joe Rogan Experience #1697 — Zuby Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Really? What does the word mean, Schengen? That was never lifted. Not a quarantine. I was just on vacation there. I was hanging out. I had a great time. Istanbul was amazing. covered up in burkas right next to girls and like hot pants and mini skirts and stuff in the same Do you think this is ever going to go back to normal travel?

2:50 et cetera. I think it ends when people end it. That's what I think. That's only domestically, though, because internationally you already know everyone on the plane has tested negative. Right. Someone I know was negative on a day and then was coughing later on that day and infected yeah a lot of shit can change in 48 hours it's true it's true but you know i think this goes

4:56 having on people the uh just the stress and the anxiety like when people get sick normally like Just that mental toll, how long is it going to take for people to relax? What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah. There's people who don't know the facts and don't know the We're not even specifically talking about children. It's a very strange time. Yes. Adjusting to this new strange time. One thing that I do think it's doing that's good is it's massively changing the way people trust media.

8:17 trump left office the numbers on cnn are through the floor i mean's wild to watch, man. Like they literally were making massive the goalposts to constantly keep people scared. It's like, okay, that narrative is not scaring I've got people like, oh, my gosh, Zuby, you're in Texas. That's fine. Yeah, and it means more people are getting immunity. been closer to the latter. I think one of the fundamental differences between the UK and the

11:49 Whereas in the UK and lots of other European countries, the mentality is different. And I to California. Have you been to California while you've been out here? because I was getting tired of how things were in the U.K., and good grief, it was worse. Well, Portugal is very liberal. There's nothing liberal about censorship and trying to restrict freedom of speech, et cetera.

14:21 And the liberals have been for big government. and your mayor are. Like Newsom was particularly egregious. People voted for him. You know, what's clear is that more than any left-right thing, the authoritarian libertarian They don't truly believe in free is. They don't truly believe in So many relationships have fallen out over these past few months because this person doesn't want to get a vaccine or this person

18:22 this person here has already taken the shot and has therefore they've handled this like again with the new york city thing when de blasio was on tv talking about Hey, get a gambling addiction while you're getting shot with this jab. But imagine saying that when you're going to close down thousands and thousands of businesses that are barely hanging on because they've been mostly closed for the entire pandemic.

20:43 Yep. New York and New Jersey, right? Which seems like he's not even groping a woman is a good thing but i think the former is a much greater sin there's also this um I mean, in the UK, it's clear because the NHS has been putting out the numbers weekly. So you already know when they have that number. They could have got, yeah. In the UK, the average age of death with COVID is around 82.

23:36 I think it's 78 here. Yeah. What is the average age of COVID death in the US? even 40, that's really, really different to a disease where the average age of death is And then it gets really low when you get before that. People die. so here's some interesting info. See what it is for America. So globally in an average year, Or donuts. Of course. Because I think the genuine threat that existed, say, 14, 15, 16 months ago is, you know, we're in a very different situation to we are when you did that podcast with it.

27:48 Exactly. So we're in a totally, when you did that, there was no vaccines. vaccinated you're not going to die that's a fucking dirty trick they're doing a lot of dirty tricks i It does. hospital are unvaccinated. Right. Of course, everyone thinks they think, yeah, they literally You know, it's like. You're in the hospital for a vaccine. Who's been vaccinated and had a

30:40 fucking time. But it's just like It's become insanely tribalistic. That shows that it's not about logic and sense and, you know, actually helping people's health. But yeah, it was showing up maybe faint before, and the line just got more visible or more obvious. It got way more visible. And then a couple hours or a day goes by, I'm like, nope, I'm all good.

33:02 It's obvious to you because you pay attention to these authoritarian ideas stop people from getting it or transmitting it. I thought they were saying like 90, 95%. is running towards this cliff and those of us who are trying to make sense and to stop people But don't they refer to them as gene therapies? It's like, look, if you need slash want it, then go get it.

35:41 Sure. I bet a lot. Or I've seen people get the, oh, did you, has anyone, you know, That's what's fucked. 2020, and I suggested that, um, okay, I've, I've gotten an idea. Like you shouldn't be allowed to So I think this is also going on with this whole vaccine situation where someone has, you know, someone takes the shot and they don't really feel 100% confident in their

38:20 virologists who have said that actually mass vaccination during a pandemic situation is going to drive the creation of new variants. gets, but just like we have, we've never eliminated the flu. And I'm like, no, the flu is nasty. I've never had someone try to say I shouldn't be allowed to eat in a restaurant People are weird, man. that's what it's like down there you know know, and I often say like, you know, the true judgment of character and kindness and compassion to me is really, really revealed

41:38 when someone doesn't make the exact same decisions as you It doesn't make zero sense. Or you'd yell back or you'd walk across the street and smack them. I hope we get through this and people realize how important it is to take care of your body. and doing it over a long period of time, a doughy, sloppy person who doesn't work out or who does work out, but fucking barely.

44:26 So I've seen from some of your previous podcasts, you know, you've had people, I know you don't follow all this so much, which is a wise idea. exercise, lifestyle choices, et cetera. So when it comes to the ins and outs of mockery. I don't care if they're wearing a lab coat. Well, it just requires a lot of time and Meanwhile, this person has never stepped foot in a gym and they're 70 pounds overweight and

47:38 Have been I'm not sure if it's overweight or obese or the combination of the two interesting. Age and obesity their diet and their lifestyle and to lose weight, et cetera. Um, yeah, those people should be She reversed her diabetes last year. Yeah, I wish more people took that approach. But this is March of 2021. Well, if anything, the Delta variant, which here's the thing.

50:15 vaccinated, some unvaccinated. The fat ones that were unvaccinated and vaccinated got hit hard. where imagine if the president, like obviously Biden can't do this, he dropped dead, but Obama And you follow along. mean, part of why I'm, I don't like to label myself politically, but a big reason why I'm Oh, my God. I never followed the QAnon thing I had a lot of people try to get me into it and I was just like

53:56 to the internet culture isn't it funny that you're allowed to talk about QAnon now? Episode three. Him and his dad. Marjorie Taylor Greene I only believe some of what QAnon says about Dems being satanic pedophile cannibals. In the UK, they're all boring. all of this nonsense that's happened has happened under his government you know you know you know

57:52 And I don't think any more people would have died. and then you almost die, No one should drive cars. And that's why it was really silly when people started doing that. You shouldn't do much. It's unavoidable and it impacts people, right? You've got effects on children, people's mental health, people's physical, all of this stuff. The curve has been absolutely flattened, right?

1:00:58 they're just super unhealthy people. This is the thing. I don't know man i don't know i just want later i just want It doesn't. plus survival rate yeah what if it was something with a, you know, a- How so? If everybody, oh my gosh, like everyone knows somebody who's died, everything is debate like to this day we don't we don't know. There's still no real world evidence that masks help.

1:03:55 Yeah. Why was a mask? But we've had coronavirus pandemics in our lifetime and they never In America. Yeah. You know, but it's, it's. I think people are, but, but with the mask thing, I mean, You're not sold on it? the end of the year yeah they're pulling the PCR test because too many of them have tested positive for COVID, but it was actually the flu or other things.

1:06:02 Everyone's getting tested for COVID. I don't either, but I don't know anybody who ever gets a flu test unless they get sick. They're exhausting. okay what do you want to talk about man what else is going on in the world People rushing the plane, trying to get on board and trying to get rescued and taken out of the country. crazy shit that they're probably going to do and then, you know, have some real public outcry.

1:08:59 It's so obvious what is going to happen in a certain situation and then you do it anyway. And I don't Taliban. Meanwhile, they took it over in a day. And they just did it. Yeah. Yeah. And there was no gunshots fired. No. I just think the whole thing's a disaster. This nation building idea Well, it should be probably at a – we should have levels of atrocity that are intolerable, right?

1:11:20 a lot of resources in the middle east that may or may not be a motive to being there. Well, the fucking United States troops Wow there's also a massive supply of minerals of conflict minerals ironically That's a study from the Brookings. then falling in 2018 to 6,400 metric tons. up to Afghan borders to be between US $4.1 billion and $6.6 billion in 2017.

1:13:50 Yeah. Are you guys watching it? Virtually everyone, no one's met anyone from there. They need China's support. It does eventually, but what is eventually? The thing is, like, they're starving. that they're propped up by China but what why would China want, you know, why would they want it to stay like that? is where a lot of this information came from.

1:16:56 originated in Afghanistan. Yeah, man. It's like, it's got to be a factor. They're going to have to. Because obviously you were in California before. Yeah. uncertainty with people's health. And when the two things combined, the health uncertainty and there's a lot of uncertainty in the economy as well as uncertainty with people's is going to be someone who hopefully understands the folly of the past and the mistakes that were

1:20:41 It's weird. It's so odd though. consequences sometimes with some things can be difficult to predict. do I believe that what he does this guy was saying that what he does is he'll firstly, I, evil exists. Evil is a very, very real thing. And it can be very hard for decent Something to do with profit and or power. Well, he was a child. about looking back on it fondly.

1:25:18 Like with his market manipulation, None. Let's find out what the case is. So his I was actually supposed to go to Russia really in Romania yeah yeah I went out to Romania. I was there in October and November. Um, I've been there before, so yeah, I went out there, In the US, I think it's kind of weird because here you've got such a... People always forget

1:27:55 So oftentimes when I talk with people in the US about the UK, they sort of put them on a similar sort of scale. Yeah. way people think about life, environment, all sorts of different things. I think someone who's liberal is more likely to want to move to L.A likely to want to move to New York City, et cetera. But why? I think because of the I think with their money.

1:30:52 Okay. That's, I don't know. like 11 a.m. It never is. you are fucked. I'm like, you guys don't even know what the fuck traffic is. This is hilarious traffic. In almost every way. There's less anxiety in general as a population here. He enjoys it. Dude, bro, it's what drove me out of the UK. I might. Music business? Did you go with Coleon Noir? that knows more about guns than Coleon.

1:35:17 My friend Eric July's up there as well. Yeah, Nashville's cool. That's where all the fucking people that were trying to escape the East Coast went, I'm happy to just be a little bit of a nomad. Oh, if I moved to the US. But for the time being, I'm happy to just Wow. Why don't you marry someone? Let's go, Zoobie. That way they don't get blown out. comedians, actors would fit in that as well. The thing with that one though, is it's kind of narrow in that it's specifically for work just in that area. So with me, I am a musician, but I'm also

1:39:07 So that's the one I opted for. hey, can I hire you to be my life coach? I would say one or the other. Oh, sorry, life coach thing. And so you'd been going back and forth, communicating to do it because of his request or were you interested in it already? And so with me, I started out just as a rapper, right? So that's how I got into coaching. I'm just like, look, I'm going to put different things out there.

1:42:31 At the most I've coached about eight people. Or, you know, some people, sometimes people just hit a slump. video call it can be zoom um but yeah i mean with him i i did it worked in person because he was in after we finished Don't you think? Like that's a big win there. eight people an hour or two hours a week. What about mindset? I think mindset is the fundamental layer of like everything we've been talking about, man. All this stuff with society and how it leads into politics and this

1:45:34 That person, you know, if they work hard at the right thing, they're virtually guaranteed And they have to start from scratch. You learn. So if you, if you launch a podcast and it doesn't go as well as you want it to, or you think, absolutely new field that has no correlation with what you were doing before. I think you will be like, oh, I failed. That's it. I tried. It didn't work.

1:48:21 And then, you know, your ninth one, boom. Someone could literally, you know, in their 40s, their 50s, sometimes even in their 60s, that's in, you know, your what, fifth, fifth decade of life or is that right? Fifth decade. But he reached this moment in his life where his expertise collided with the cultural war. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. It's based on the actual me.

1:52:48 And the one that terrifies him the most, and we all should be terrified of this, is the And some people are just going to be more driven and they're going to succeed more. I don't want to be a guy who runs all day. that they've done something wrong in order to acquire this wealth, that they're shitty of people or the amount of money that people make, if you put a cap on the amount of people or the amount of money that people make,

1:55:32 But that's just a product of society. me yeah i'll be real that's the one that's the one inverted commas crime where like if somebody Why? I don't think that the government needs to necessarily do every single And it's way beyond what it initially ever was. It's something that's grown and grown and grown I think that we should all contribute to make the society and the culture a better place.

1:59:33 For me personally, I mean, I think the concept of taxation itself by definition is robbery. I think income tax is absolutely theft. It's based in resentment. the idea is that money goes in the system. of mindset they're guaranteed as long as they maintain that mindset they are they're guaranteed Either the basketball goes in the net or it does not.

2:02:42 And then you can dominate that person like, wow, look at this. I have developed these skills and I've shown that hard work and discipline I mean, I don't know. I don't know any jacked socialists. I think some of them might. It's like, no, if I want the benefits, I've got to put in the work. I haven't actually read it. And it was essentially the same thing.

2:06:08 But it's a great piece. Yeah. It tells you that the material you work with is that which you will come to resemble. lift it. Um, like something with me, a lot of people don't know. Like I used to, you know, 210, 215. Totally different body composition. It also sets an example. I've really, really progressed in all these different ways. way. So it's like, okay, cool. Look, I've done this and here's what I learned. I made a lot of

2:10:33 multiple times be able to reference back to it rather than and I wrote it as an ebook I didn't in that i think probably a small number of people who buy them actually apply the principles It's hard to become a PhD. It's exciting. they're solving nonsense There's got to be another grand. think it's part of the reason why human beings are so obsessed with innovation, right?

2:13:15 some great benefit to living in a very simple way yes most people don't enjoy that. Most people want their life to become more complicated and more, at least on paper, more successful. and they use dogs for hunting And they only have like a few months of warmth in the year. either man they're like fucking birds yeah like we closed the door of the car because our plan was we brought some mosquito repellent.

2:15:29 Do they is there um this might be a silly question because it might just be localized But I've heard like malaria, essentially you hear a lot about it in the Congo. Those are big mosquitoes. In a thermocel, you have like these little – they look like large squares of gum. that type of swarm i've only seen one super crazy insect swarm. And this was, uh, when I, I lived in, when I was living in Saudi Arabia, there was one year, I don't know what happened, but there was a nuts, though. You're just driving.

2:18:21 Same family. Yeah, something happens with the climate and they go bonkers. Those are all mosquitoes. Wow. cold places, because they only exist for a certain amount of time. No, I don't. Do you ever wonder how much random knowledge you have in your head? Whoa, it looks like black pudding. That was like in that movie It's now a TV show Like, real weird.

2:21:51 are delicious so uh like i was listening to my friend uh ryan callahan his podcast he was giving And we were like, shit, we gotta get them. I eat bugs. Look at this. Dude, I'll eat the fuck out of that. eating bugs. I think they just feel like they're connected to animals Is this specific plants or plants in general? Nature is nuts. Wow. But this documentary about the taiga,

2:26:00 and then they're hunting as much as they can and getting as much meat as they can. is depression. Yep. like accurate scientifically, but I have a sort of hypothesis that when it comes to things like anxiety, shall we call it, right? malaria has killed half the people who've ever died ever wow yeah so they're like we're not Yeah, it's hard to prove.

2:28:54 But, yeah, I remember when my dad had malaria even. Especially if you mix them with alcohol. Two million deaths a year. And it's been around for, and that's been happening for- I know it's hereditary. I don't know if that's how it The mechanism by which carriers are protected from malaria, is different than the acquired immunity from both AA and AS individuals

2:31:22 Sickle cell kills a lot of people. No. the average number of people who have died from heart disease is actually higher. about what something is, for the first time it shouldn't really be for the first time but it seems like for the first time a or wild animals coming and jacking people. So I think that people have become so comfortable and, And there are a lot of doughy people. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, you know, if you, if you see that,

2:35:05 I just think it's like, OK, well, that's what it is. you appreciate the ones around you more. uh, like, you know what, it's not worth like having animosity towards people or holding grudges or That's, I think that's about jealousy. Yeah. By the way, man, I wanted to tell you on air I've met people who learned English by listening to your podcast. My friend Felipe learned English from watching American TV when he was in Mexico.

2:38:24 Right. You know, you had to go through all these channels and you had to be approved and you had to follow restrictions because there was guidelines on speech and language. Like you talk about the things, And I'll entertain that, which is great. that when I do television appearances, it's actually quite, it's like a real challenge peter schiff that was like an issue because he's used to just talking over all these other people

2:41:25 Those shows... But here's the problem. And if you do get real debate it's Yeah. that i want to or it just as i'm as i'm talking to you it's kind of kind of the same thing i do treat human beings. And that's the only way you ever realize that you are not your ideas. Yes. And your ideas, And also just having a level of humility to understand, okay, look, this is what I think.

2:45:05 world i we need to talk and converse and even if people disagree at least then you you gain that you voted for Trump, comms, whatever, you know, with this vaccine, you're now an anti-vaccine. All the traditional ideas of a dead virus that you put into your system in the form of a vaccine. Um, you know, I'm the same, any medicine, any medical procedure.

2:47:25 And wishing that they are denied medical assistance. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah. Even if maybe some of those things hurt because they make you think about your I'm just kidding about that part.