Joe Rogan Experience #1716 — Steven Rinella Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience I was just telling this story A lot of the guys I used to work with, or not, a lot of the guys I work with did and do, you know, they're horrible tobacco addicts. was like must been loose leaf or plug and me and buddy uh i don't know if this dude remembers me my buddy stanley johnson Yeah. You know, Mark Twain is widely regarded as the first stand-up comedian.

3:31 So he had a very informed perspective for all his characters. So he describes like you're going through the fog or in the dark, and there's some guy up front going, Mark Twain. So Twain means two? Here it goes. So Twain sold it from Twain, from Captain Isaiah Sellers. and he died in 1963 and he could no longer, he no longer needed that signature. 1863.

6:06 like my name is joe rogan interesting interesting so i wanted to tell you i had a legitimate real We stopped the truck, and I see the eyes glowing because it's about 7 p.m. But enormous. All I was thinking is like if I wasn't in this truck, if I was out on the road, if I was out walking and I saw that thing from that close. the states that like washington used to have a hound season and they lost it to the animal

8:41 Yeah, the states that don't do anything about them, like California, 90 pound cat two summers ago and how were they managed up there When there's a fresh snow, he'll go out and drive roads, drive logging roads, whatever, Oh, so you can – a predator collar is a pretty broad term. Then they have electronic callers that have these massive libraries. Yeah, a vast library of sounds.

11:45 Fuck you. I haven't seen that one. And you didn't immediately watch it? Look at it. Motherfucker. it's close I mean that might be f**king 5 yards. That's not even 10 yards. I mean, that might be fucking five yards. It's not big. kind of coming from behind off to his right side, and he's not certain whether they were going to pass by his right shoulder

14:41 trying to like wrassle the turkey. So did you shoot the coyote? Yeah. it exhaled in my ear how far away i mean inches me to you oh no i'm not joking man like exhaled in No, it's not going to happen.. No, it's not going to happen. renewable. What's with the shooting british columbia bans grizzly hunting because they think grizzly hunting is trophy hunting.

17:44 Like they're all over the place up So it's wild. I'm sure someone somewhere. But yeah, Texas, number one. it can be exploited without long-term detriment to the species, that should be allowed. No, I was very sad. They liberalized wolf hunting in Montana because we have a lot of wolves. Did you get a bunch of social media backlash? predators that ecosystem but um not humans not that one not that we don't have a very heavy hand

23:07 my life to making it be that all know what they see. But let me tell you what I'm gonna do now when i retire okay no i'll get back are It'd take about a year. Wildlife management would go to the states of Wyoming and Montana, and it would become a wilderness area. We'd have to figure something else out. It's time to do what's right on that landscape and protect it.

25:21 every year yeah people go flying through the air and flip and land on their head uh to return to hunter's orange yeah you had a question about hunter's Because he can't see blood? No, I think it is him that can't. I hadn't thought of it. getting it's getting harder to blood trail have you taken any supplements for your eyes like I haven't cleaned them yet.

28:16 This year? thought he was aiming at his lungs yeah it's crazy yeah i mean i think the uh archery hunter was in And you usually make a sound of a female to draw a male in. blood boiling. He Jesus Christ. And very different attitudes and then got out and started screaming and yelling at him that he hit her car. Kind of white? I mean, did you think that guy was a turkey?

31:20 Who shot him the first time they wanted to fight him? You know. robert abernathy was saying to me how he's like man um i don't i can't remember what size it was And he said that he lifted his foot up and When I hear something like that, though, to be honest with you, one of my first, I have twin feelings. He fucking should. Isn't that correct? At any point in time,

34:53 So when I first heard that, a wildlife biologist in Arizona named James Heffelfinger sent me some information about that. Serums meaning like blood samples? We're laughing that it all comes. Yeah, and I thought maybe it came from Doug. servants uh which are in very close proximity to people which is also how they spread cwd yeah cwd out in your yard, like deer hang out in my yard.

37:24 And it shows up in like zoo Oh, yeah. And I let the dog in. Yeah. Oh, wow. Wow. but all of it outside, and then also no real, like, physical contact with zoo animals. If you're talking about 15, if the new, not the new, there's this sort of like weird rule of thumb that, you know, the rule of thumb like 15 minutes, 6 feet. You know the whole like 15 minutes, 6 feet thing?

40:36 Which is the predominant variant now Let's get it over with. hit the fan i was in baja with my family and i got back and i called my friend uh chester floyd Holy shit, was he right? Yeah. you know, And it's funny that- it would be that you were supposed And it was like, you know, bringing the world together. about it because it's uh it's very disturbing because that what they've done with with these

44:02 if you go from there to now, the change is palpable. I was kind of pleasantly surprised to be like, See, this is the thing about it. And there was a bunch of these weird fucking kid videos. But these videos would show up in like like, if a kid was looking at cartoons, stuff. Oh, yeah. all these other videos that were also Yeah, there are FBI investigation.

47:46 They seemed kind of normal, and then the cartoon characters would get drunk, and they would And she loves watching her. crying and screaming because they can't get this image out of their head. because it didn't exist previous like it's not like we're dealing with something that we went through when we were children. You can watch a lot of car accidents and animal attacks and just wild shit.

49:33 Like when we wanted to watch Faces of Death, somebody had to get the video. fucking people getting killed they're gonna see the most crazy shit have you Nice move. And then she figured out how the fuck you have four hours of screen time like what's going on here so she and then she figured out that the really the little monster yeah did you guys have

51:26 Painted up like an insane clown posse type character. like what Wayne's World was. That's my only thing I knew in, I think it was Larry's show, I found it on YouTube. This was some weird shit. Looks like Robert Smith from The Cure, man. Hardcore. Where were you brought up? Columbus, Ohio. But I thought the regulations were across the board if you were broadcasting.

53:46 but for the last couple of years I've been working on a book. And for me, I don't know. and felt very authentic to you, about he lets his children wander it was jonathan hate right was right the coddling of the american but there's a risk. And so you, like, have to weigh this risk versus reward receives from being able to navigate the world on their own is very valuable but

56:35 there's different kinds of kids, right? There's kids that grow up in bad neighborhoods with on how my wife in her early pointing out to me that that word doesn't get used anymore. Yeah. Well, kids don't, I mean, it's kind of something like that it's it's been interesting to watch um as a parent the way that you that outside would regard as like hard to picture you know yes or but at the same time, I expose my kids to danger that I have decided is an okay danger to court.

59:32 My older, and then, Right. They're going to believe in Kuanon. but it is a guarantee that if you've never encountered any loss at all, you're fucked. Like, you have to have sports in your life or you'll never be good at things. jiu-jitsu they didn't like it because the wrestling and jiu-jitsu the problem was they were getting They'd never allow themselves to go live in that loser space, right?

1:02:29 It's like you lose a part of your life and you know I remember the first time I got my heart broken when I was like I guess I was like 17 or 18 I I have such a hard time picturing you being heartbroken. Custody. Yeah. I mean, you can't imagine the emotional pain And you're like oh Isn't it still the pound? There's not fair in the way you were raised

1:06:15 Like, my friend Joey Diaz, pretty scrappy upbringing yeah they're more fun reliable yes yeah reliable also they have a thing through imbalance you develop spectacular abilities you know like some of the greatest Holy shit, was that a big deal. talking about you know being like i don't just you know that's how you make a mike tyson, I don't know, just, you know, that's how you make a Mike Tyson. Like, I don't know.

1:09:34 these like spectacular yeah people um can also break them though yeah and i think that to go But I think your friend that pointed out that the worst thing that can happen is a kid that doesn't feel loved. Hurt people hurt people? well um having like having that level of immediacy to be able to take them out to experience things that we care about. mushrooms and we camp a lot in the summer um i like it man i'm gone a lot for work so uh

1:12:05 i've had and i've had people lobby complaints about that system of living but um that's how i the sort of like greater valley area. Oh, wow. Well, I don't know. more of like hey there's that fucking guy you know it's like they make a a thing about it where it's there's lolo creek there's lolo pass there's lolo national So the way that stuff works is you have to buy the car just for insurance purposes. Like you buy the car from them and like invoice them for the

1:16:13 why would you buy a car if you got a car for free? So this is 2007? I wrote a piece, Late 1800s. What was that earthquake So Levi's knows they made clothing that they know from advertisements Yeah. So collectors sell them to people making films, there was an old cabin on a ranch, and it had two chimneys. and I find something, I'll buy it from you. new structure and leave the old ones in place so he's dying to get in here and look around

1:20:32 The jeans that plugged up the hole. It wasn't old Levi. Like not very often. And they find stuff like people used to make log homes and chink, I haven't talked to him in a long time. like clothing designers, Yeah, that's him. But all before that, canvas itself came from cannabis. I bet he'd be able to tell you a lot about it. marijuana, but they were still charging people federally because it was medical in California.

1:24:05 like that fiber on earth and when you take that fiber and break it down the paper like they would That was made out of hemp. like my wife drives a car, it was some dude that works at it was some event like it was like these dudes that worked at sitka That is a problem with hiring people, right? Oh, yeah. People are fucking crazy. of overlap and all they're they have like person to catch them that runs that program.

1:27:39 We just were filming with him. like a child well he is a real wizard i mean i've heard videos of him online oh He lives there. They're in Belgrade, Montana. I have one of those. I'm trying to find this video and I'm not going to. oh it's different yeah yeah um so yeah he's there and then and then we have our our our media you know kind of like the media

1:30:51 she does a lot of But we're based there in Montana. I haven't felt that because I feel that primarily it's been able to sort of like – So I'm heavily involved in making that. you know and so i would my output was constrained by just like what was one person capable of doing. and First Light were sort of the first two people that ever got behind our show.

1:34:10 you know yeah to learn what I don't know you know I had to learn what I don't know uh obviously you have different way you interact with your kids and you do with your wife We travel together. like I can't be that I'm going down to work and I need to put like my, I probably don't conceal my annoyance. They're the ones who always like to go to dominatrix and get kicked in the balls.

1:37:45 that would come with enormous financial consequences. Everyone wants to talk about the 9%. Yeah, 9%. Everybody's no one wants to talk about the nine percent yeah nine percent the net very measured and unemotional tone. You have to be very conscious of how people are going to How many of them die of heart attacks how many of them die of cancer how many of them like the pressure gets to be too much and they can't take it yeah

1:40:12 open-minded and objective doesn't have any weaknesses in his like social game but also who can articulate their perspective on something, admired the amount of work that's involved like for the cameraman um and uh the the folks that are So these folks are working long hours. you're fucking sleeping on a rock that's not just it's all the time yeah and i uh in that management thing i guess some i have to remind

1:43:45 mushrooms and show everybody. And then we're going to have dinner at 6 PM, you know, and then, People are arguing? to being together all the time in whatever like in tents or in a rental house and in cars and just like yeah right you you you can't stay you can't stay And then you hear them in the distance and then you got to walk three miles through this valley and try to get to this other ridge and then you glass them up and then they're already gone because they caught your wind.

1:47:02 laughing and hooting and hollering because they shot a deer And the struggle and the people that are in the camp with them, meat and i think a lot of it is because of that i think your organization and what you've done and it's in you know traditionally we would produce it in a four-act structure so you had Uh, it's hard to, it's hard's tight it's 22 minutes uh it's hard to it's hard to capture it i think that the the key

1:50:53 had a level of subject matter expertise and had my own understanding of I mean, for context, What's funny about some of the guys that come on to work on the show worked with us um you know mo was exposed to kind of like more action than most people that hunt are ever going we do a lot of direct to youtube series you know so you're changes in hunting media absolutely because even in our own ability to put out material i've seen

1:55:11 Far more represented. in and ever claim to have you can't claim to have invented anything because there's so much stuff out there but yeah there's a there's a mix I don't believe that has not been a thing that we've encountered. Yeah. Well, YouTube has been very heavy-handed with this concept of demonetization. the policy was updated to make it clear that footage of animals in distress induced by human intervention may not run ads.

1:58:10 Well, it says, while they don't go into much detail, it seems clear that any impact shots I don't know how it's being interpreted. money but Yeah. is I'm very interested in, to its terms of services this week that it has the right to Decided to share revenue with the people that are creating content encouraging people to create content a dude named Jared outlaw,

2:01:23 he like identified as a YouTuber but in with media a thing that i remain very interested in is this like diversification Released it with them them do stuff on social uh and I was labeled a dangerous conspiracy theorist Very naughty to think that a place that studies coronaviruses would have it be that someone would catch a coronavirus. he agreed with people immediately disagree with it yeah I mean he could have agreed with some of

2:04:01 Many policies. We have to protect He would insult people openly. He's not changing at all. in the field that you were discussing. like if you and I were having a conversation, if we were sitting across a fucking dinner table Would that water us down? Yeah, they're privately held companies. what is and is not acceptable. and say that you need to be more fair to everyone because you have outsized

2:08:37 I don't think anybody would trust you if you don't do that, That's part of the fun of the show is that it is just a conversation. And then you have an evolutionary biologist on or a virologist or an epidemiologist and It's the only way. Then they're like a religion. What are they now? You're not allowed to take the Lord's name in vain. You're not allowed to talk about the Wuhan clinic. What are we doing? Are we talking or are

2:11:46 If you don't believe a man can be a woman, That's called dead naming. Right? this is a protected class of people and that you can't even have this offensive discussion I mean, fuck most of the people on Twitter. Yeah. for sure. and you're willing to laugh about your own opinions. Yeah. They're being dishonest, and if you can't reply to that, you can't defend yourself or there's no where you can say the truth like what are we doing like what

2:15:57 And if they remove you from one of those options or all those options, like that was one of To even think that this is your place to manipulate or suggest is fucking chaos. Like, what happens there? Should you be banned? Because that seems like, you know, if we're going to hold everybody to the same standard, we should be really clear about this. Like,

2:17:19 We need free expression to sort it all out. In history, we typically, after a period of 50 years or so, look back and condemn any occasion where we have suppressed dissenting views. it hasn't been 50 years by any stretch, you know i've been i've had it i got the vaccine i was kind of misled because i thought the in there to draw it back out no no they think there's a chip in there like the magnet sticks

2:20:02 So, and looking at travel restrictions,'m like oh i want to avoid travel Yeah. And nothing really happened. oh, it's just a thing we're going to have to live with. a point where you it's kind of like throw my hands up in the air, and as I've thrown my hands up in the air about not understanding it, losing faith that anybody really understands it right now, it's been now difficult for me to see people getting punished for challenging the orthodoxy when everything has changed so much. It's like, how could any person sit right now

2:22:00 I have a deep skepticism. dissenting voices or exclude dissenting voices i think that i have a perhaps an unusual perspective So as social media came to be a thing, I've always lived within the context of how do I take things that are, that the people that hold distribution channels are probably going to have a semi-adversarial view of? You guys had like one star.

2:24:50 connections in netflix and netflix purchased what was called a second window um were they hesitant Like, the degree to which, there's a thing like the degree to which you stand by producers There's no way we're going to be able to be on YouTube. because we use firearms. every show we put out has firearms in it, Most of the heat we get would be from the right.

2:28:03 little left out and it's like a little bit like, And that's, he goes, looked at another thing where i've seen um in my life where i've seen that that um that a that a I'd be after the devil worshipers. like a lot of that heat It's like a lot of the things that if people have said sort of behind closed doors, now they're said in sort of an open forum.

2:31:20 like then they'd be like well this is crazy this fucking show they use guns and then they campaign against guns so hypocritical but that's not the case no no so for you saying that you're getting picking an arrowhead up off the ground or the land back movement. he said the things he said. in the outdoors right uh great conversation people get really pissed they're like pissed

2:33:29 perspective seem to be guilty like they seem to be guilty of their own crime by being very eager You know, he was experiencing some weird cancel culture shit from the right online. They're doing it. but also wildly successful. How is anyone justifying that? And, you know, they get caught up in petty bickering The environment when you're going about your daily business

2:36:23 that I'm doing and like this guy he's a real problem Like, people are different on different days for different reasons. text messages or arguing about things on Facebook and these fucking long, interactions with social cues and reading each other's like like Louis C But the impact on the other person is real. And there's a lot of conspiracies about that, right?

2:39:31 and down i think it was just a dating app wasn't facebook originally a dating app it skews so old. Like, my fucking kids are into TikTok. Complaint to SEC, Facebook mishandling of duplicate accounts was extensive fraud. The company cites evidence showing that Facebook has misrepresented core metrics to investors and advertisers, The company is also hidden to the extent of which content production per user has been in long-term decline.

2:42:17 And apparently she's donated a lot of money to AOC and some heavy-duty left wing. which may exacerbate someone's predilection towards anorexia. Yeah, I read a statistic of teenage girls. Let's go talk to that guy. people that i otherwise wouldn't make yep so it's like i can't i have i can't be like unbridled in other countries they've used it to have people murdered,

2:44:55 of our First Amendment rights. It's too much influence. Like, what? There's no definitive yes or no, good or bad, because they're new. Unless you're on there showing how to make crochet or make bead bracelets and shit. Yeah, but I think there's a lot of people that I look and I'm like, man, you being in the, you being what you're into and that you're only doing it there.

2:47:52 But that wasn't reflected. downloads it was nuts and it was because it was a wild chaotic you know alcohol and marijuana fueled Yeah. It had gotten to the point You know, it was number one that became a problem and then it was the numbers were so high you know tremendous business well they're trying to rectify that now some kind of paywall situation,

2:50:40 how many fucking shows were there? All these things are sanctioned. million shows which is really what there is right now for someone to come along and say i want you it's very highly rated, right? of some sort of censorship and I was a martyr. Wow. Bitch, that's mainstream. It's like the number of people that are tuning in to shows is crazy. Yeah, I don't know.

2:54:05 Or I'll stop phoning it in. I like it. You're providing something that people actually enjoy I've always appreciated that about you. because it's just I like talking to people I like talking to interesting But I didn't do it in the beginning ever thinking it would be the number one podcast in the world. I think that was 2011 when we met, right? interesting because uh i enjoyed your show the wild within before you ever did meat eater

2:57:47 One of the two times I thought my career was over was when that Wild Within show on Travel Channel Oh, that's right. him make another one yeah yeah yeah and i felt for a minute that my book hadn't done good enough to from the location where we were filming in West Texas You were done. the time lined up that you didn't need to be. took off uh we we didn't know what we had no idea what that show was about.

3:00:47 a you know very high level of influence over everything that happened well i remember i and your show is the opposite of that now because some of your best episodes are That's why there's animal wranglers. Yeah. It's one of the reasons why it's so interesting, because it's difficult. He's going to survive, you know. Your podcast is another great example of that.

3:03:22 And we had a good laugh about it. And this thing happened to me where years ago I was invited by someone to go down to give a talk at Fort Bragg. And I'm sitting there and had spent their entire adult life And you realize just the enormous, he enlisted during the war right right he's like well if there's a war you enlist but i mean if handle this conversation differently you know if he was 17 and going for it then um you know

3:06:59 Yeah, for sure. no themeateater.com Yeah, do that. all used on the episodes, all up for auction.