Joe Rogan Experience #1717 — Alex Berenson Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Permanently. I don't understand. whether it's just the inevitable decline of an empire, whatever the fuck it is, It's almost like an inconvenient truth that most likely this virus emerged from a lab. I mean, Sagar and Jetty from Breaking Points broke down exactly when it went Yeah. But Substack says they're not going to censor me or other people, and I got to hope that's true.

3:41 Here it is. And so, by the way, most of the people who are signed up do not pay. You can choose to pay or that I think I've ever come across of egregious censorship that is ideologically based and not this far. I would say that to you. Well, you were very, yeah, you're very, I would say, very objective about your interpretation of the data and what you think is going on versus, you know, what is being purported.

6:04 It was crazy to watch. but I'm not even convinced we're going to, when we look back over, let's say another But Joe, it's much worse than that. You say some people like it's rare. In the UK, It's not somebody saying, oh, I heard this from my cousin. of the people dying of COVID in the UK now are fully vaccinated. And another 5% or so are partly a good friend of mine

8:43 vitamin regimen and making sure that he was No. So the idea is that it interferes with the binding of SARS-CoV-2 to your cells. that would be another I'm exaggerating. But the point that I'm trying to make is that at the levels that it's given Yes. junk science about vaccines, whether it's junk How do you spell it? I did. But I was like, what the fuck are you guys?

12:09 It's one of the great, actually one of the great pharmaceutical stories of the last 40 years. Because Merck, which is, you can't trust any of these companies, but Merck is the best of them, even though we can talk about Merck and Vioxx separately. It is a lie. And have it be frustrating. Yes, it's a prescribed medicine. the Washington Post. I got to go check. But it also includes Facebook. And this is basically,

15:10 like when they're saying horse dewormer. Like why? Who's doing that? if I wanted to find specific cases about people who died from vaccine related injuries, Do you know the newest Webster definition of anti-vaxxer to not just mean someone who believes in fucking It's dirty, man. Oh, yeah. And I will stand by that number. Those kids, for the most part, are profoundly ill.

19:11 There's also something called RSV, which is extremely dangerous for little kids. I mean, we're meant to be outside trading germs with each other. To include gene therapies? Because people get the flu shot every year. Somehow, I don't understand this like weird mind meld that Pfizer and Moderna and BioNTech have performed on the government and on the media where they have convinced people that these things, which by no classical definition are vaccines.

21:56 seems to have like profound possibilities in terms of like the ability to fight cancer like they have Is there a real photo of one of those things? So, I mean, biology is magic these days. And then they can predict how it's going to attach to your cells. Yes. For whatever reason with respiratory viruses, the whole inactivated virus thing, or it's So you have the receptors that this virus attacks all over your body, in both your lungs.

24:46 promises about the vaccine that has turned out not to be true is you're only going to have those It's just a theory that people are getting it injected into their bloodstream directly and that is leading to myocarditis. That's why early on people said, you know, including like including virologists who are not Tony Fauci, said, It turns out that messing with nature, there's always a price.

26:57 Well, no, no, no. There's something called the nucleocapsid. You have antibodies to that. Plus, again, for reasons that we don't fully understand, it looks like your B cells, which are part of your immune system, Like try to catch COVID, right? Nor do I give good advice. Spotify is going to enjoy these disclaimers. 6 to 13 times X better. you personally and everybody else who's been infected and recovered gets.

30:08 Well, I mean, think about it. It will escape vaccine immunity, I should say. is that the virus mutates in a way that the vaccine actually, it's called, this is why it's called antibody We can pull it up. Let's do that first before I go into Humetrix. Okay, so this is what- Right. spike after the first dose, which we're not allowed to talk about, and which was specifically

34:12 the beginning does not matter. So the companies, when they counted cases, they said, we're going or 10 years. They weren't counting a whole lot of cases in people who'd just been vaccinated. So you get depressed. you count from the day the first person gets the first dose of your drug, okay? And if we want to it looks like, early on, zero to negative efficacy. Then you get a few weeks of 50%

37:16 There were days in June, in late May and June, You, in fact, in Israel, in late August, Even then it's not clear. Okay. Because it's- it's an amazing technology. They weren't initially designed as vaccines, the technology. It was are we going to need a fourth shot? Are we going to need a fifth shot? you're not considered vaccinated. were desperate to get vaccinated, most of them. And, you know, people like me, you know, look,

41:26 It's very hard for them to admit that. They think they did it for the right reasons regardless of whether or not there is an effective treatment outside of the vaccine, I mean, back in the spring, and I wrote this book, and this is one of two copies in the Well, we'll also talk to anybody. separatist or a white supremacist or whatever word that makes you a part of a list of people

44:06 Right. I mean, that's, you guys are both suspicious of the official narrative. And it's funny, Well, you brought up Vioxx earlier with Merck. And one of the reasons why I became initially Yep. Here it is. they made drugs that essentially were aspirin except that they had a little side effect, he's a fighter and so his knees were just damaged from years of martial arts

46:33 He still has some, very unconventional things. Yeah. anti-inflammatory. Yes. So the idea was that, you know, I often take a lot of ibuprofen. It can be stomach. So Vioxx was supposed to, and Baxter, Cecoxib, and Rofocoxib, these two drugs, were supposed to spare the lining of your stomach, which they do. Everything's cheery. That's right. I want to be like her. That's right. And unfortunately,

48:56 But for the most part, and those drugs have been tested in tens of thousands of people, Now, they came up with this cockamamie story that Vioxx didn't actually cause heart attacks, by the FDA's estimate, 55,000 people. And Merck is supposedly the best of these guys. But if that product turns out to have side effects or problems, you cannot expect them to tell the truth because they don't.

51:37 Like, did you see that lady in New York, your new governor? a, I mean, you want to get a Pfizer tattoo, I don't give a Well, it's 100 micrograms against your responsibility. How do we keep more people alive? We are not through this pandemic. I wished Yes, I know you're vaccinated. Jesus taught us to love one another. UK technical briefing. I was supposed to look.

54:49 there were 3,200 deaths from the Delta variant. Keep going. Don't tell me they took it out. What do you mean? You know what? This said that there's a lot of people So what you can see is that in people over 50, rates of illness are higher in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. that's sort of like intuitively obvious. It also has a harder time mounting the response that the

58:11 year olds. Right. So before that, before 40, it seems to shift in favor of the vaccinated. Yes. Go to the next page. Over. that question. But what I want everyone to see is that the vast majority of people in Britain still appears to have some protective effect because rates among, because, so here, think of So when you say that most of the people who are dying are vaccinated, is that because the levels or the rates of vaccination is very high?

1:02:12 Isn't that speculative, though? It could be rebels. It could be people that are into No. You need to see it. He publicly gets vaccinated and then yells at all the people that are not vaccinated. or they're really into, you know, day, but, you know, I'm not sure how The evidence is in the flu vaccine, okay? When you look at flu vaccines, you say, Why?

1:04:57 I see. And you gotta remember also get the damn shot already. And our first step, you and I, is symbols. The language we use. We call Stop legitimizing it. They're afraid. Afraid of being proved wrong. And most importantly, they are afraid. You're Billy Badass? Maybe I'll get sick and die. The reason that we have a problem with COVID right now is not that people are unvaccinated.

1:08:37 Did he give you specific numbers? No. No. Of course not. okay, the vaccine. Okay? In June and July, I say the vaccines are going off the rails and people start to lose their mind. COVID cases a day in Israel. They are done with COVID. At the end of June, there are 300. I mean, you know, there's what happens at the cellular level understand what's going to turn it around. I don't understand why we think that the biology of these

1:11:52 used only the Pfizer and Moderna, the mRNA vaccines. as I like to call it, the bonus vaccine. It's a freebie. Hey, good for Pfizer. The stocks of the companies of Pfizer and Moderna and BioNTech hit new highs when this happened. Why? Because the the date's in the book, I think, but Biden says, time for your boosters. We're going to give than eight months. And that's, you know, there's been so much sort of, I hate to say misinformation,

1:15:11 The Democrats would be ready to impeach him. But this is the question. Merck, the data on the Merck drug is actually quite good. They released it. And by the way, the stocks of the vaccine companies went down more than 10% the day the Merck reports came Only the top. That's great. I think it might be 16 to 3. Find out what the vote was. So do they say no boosters. Not no boosters at all. Right. No boosters for the general population. So do they say no boosters, but we recommend?

1:19:07 Isn't he? called the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices that the CDC runs. And those guys meet but high risk of getting COVID. But they're constantly around children. and the second one got sick that they're not spreading it? They're weaklings. Two solid days. But it just makes sense though, that if children are getting it and they're sick,

1:21:33 I was watching a video of an obese teacher who was complaining about the fact that she has to go back to school because she's worried about her life and her safety. only and people at high risk of Yeah, I don't know if there's specific categories of people, but yes, I think if you deem yourself to be high risk, you can go get yourself a booster. That's right.

1:23:15 because you don't know sort of internally good. It's just like the, you know, it's just like Pfizer and Moderna. Right. But it's a different thing because it's supposed to be a one shot. The problem is the same problem as we have with the mRNA vaccines. We don't know how long Yeah, but the flu shot doesn't. What do you think the VAERS data shows? the vaccine is actually dangerous. Right. It could be over-reported. That's true.

1:27:01 that everybody who has a side effect following a vaccine or who has a negative event following the vaccine, that the vaccine has caused the negative event. Pfizer European data. There's something called the European Medicines Agency, the EMA. And they I should say it was two to one. I think that's actually how they do it. And obviously what you're hoping is that no matter how much you give, the same percentage of rat babies will be born dead in both arms. In this case, in both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines,

1:29:46 It requires a lot of cell growth. It requires a lot of, like, you know, there's increases in blood volume. There's all kinds of stuff that happens of miscarriages following the vaccine, in some cases, very shortly following the vaccine. Okay. and the U.S., where they've looked at sort of large cohorts of pregnant women, and it's early days. Still at very, very low risk.

1:33:45 DeSantis has been, like, he's followed the science better than any other political leader, I'm not out there saying, like, homeopathic remedies are going to get you out of, I'm It's bizarre. I've heard that one. the strangest thing is it related to covid covid causes gun violence not at all i i just don't I mean, yes, but... So that's... Right, but not in comparison.

1:36:42 an epidemic in its tracks. We are going to use this new technology. Well, this is why they're blaming the unvaccinated. Right. The vaccine reduces the genomic diversity of the virus and causes it, as you say, to Yeah. Delta came from India, we think. But Delta came from India at a time when almost nobody was vaccinated. I mean, I hate to make it sound like the Israelis are the only ones who are doing anything, but they are doing a lot.

1:40:14 there who, for whatever reason, are reporting stuff in a less, I would say, in a more transparent Like, we could talk. This showed that the EcoHealth Alliance, showed that they were considering, and not just considering, Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research. Wuhan lab. That's right. And so DARPA, which as in turn worked with the Wuhan lab.

1:42:45 One reason we don't know, because in February 2020, Oh, really? You hired OJ to investigate Nicole Brown Simpson's death. Was that an appearance of a conflict of interest, too? And the guy literally had no answer. He- You didn't hear what he said? Yeah, that's always a bad sign. Yes. little bit off air before it came out, but so the HIV, you know, story is an, is an interesting

1:46:22 Yes. savages that are surviving? research. You know, Americans are so evil, they won't do anything to help these people. Fauci realizes that the activists can be on his side if he's nice to them and that's a good thing. the U.S. was spending more money on HIV research than almost anything else, or more money, I should say, on his unit of the NIH than I believe

1:48:40 It's a huge kitty for him. He's really good at managing the politics of things. the U.S. government has been focused on vaccines as the answer to the detriment of almost everything else. Even to the point of ignoring the data that shows that people who have had a previous go away. You say from the left, but it's really from Twitter. You're not even wearing a suit or anything.

1:52:17 I want to be taken seriously. I can't wear Kermit the Frog. Pepe the Frog? You've seen that, right, Jamie? Yeah, he knows him. i'm not letting my kids outside my kids aren aren't going to school. They ruin their lives for more than a year. Right. Right. And then the vaccines came. The vaccines will save us all. Lordy, lordy. OK. It truly was a religious cult around these things for the people on the left. OK. The people on the right weren't so scared. Right. For the most part, they had a better idea. And I'm not talking about like

1:54:31 reports, it keeps crashing. And maybe that actually means something. Maybe it's not just a bunch of But I do know of someone who's had what I believe is a very serious vaccine injury. what they never understood was the choice is not Remember, those hospital ships that went into New York Harbor left a month later and they'd he actually ran for mayor and got nowhere.

1:56:57 And also there was this thought that we needed ventilators. But we clearly overuse ventilators early on. for sure. But along the way, it got so deep into so many people, into their psyches, have had very adverse reactions to marijuana. And when you had this book that came out, schizophrenic episodes the numbers of people that have schizophrenia they it varies I think they

1:59:53 And you go into this thing. I've had some slippery moments on marijuana in trouble, that's how I would perceive it. I haven't spoken to him in years, but he's out of his fucking mind that for some people we don't know how many and we don't know what the dose might be that It's a real thing. I do not like delusional thinking. I don't. Why do they have to lie about it?

2:04:02 in January, and here we are, we're I have a real concern about this in the slippery slope of government control. you have good protection right now. And so they've decided there's too many cases. And you may remember back, again, They're snowflakes. Yeah, because he's just, he's so oily and condescending. Have we played that before? You're in for a treat things You're in for a treat

2:06:53 Oh god The Colbert Report But you know, that character But as the host of a talk show, he's just different. And the military and support of the military and Crazy. Yeah. out like it doesn't work you have to have accountability you have to have a certain Oh, here we go. Look at the dance. Looks like he's having a good time, but here's the best part.

2:10:47 That's keen. Wow. So you just want me to kind of like dance with needles and then go vaccine. It was you all along. What can you say? What can I say? Section 230 is part of the... So there's two main provisions. OK. And that includes, you know, indecent or, you know, prurient. Joe puts up something saying Alex is a child molester. What the companies have managed to convince the courts to do is say, I put up all this stuff about myself or about whatever and you took it down.

2:15:08 And they've also said we're private companies. I mean, almost, almost completely strong. And the companies have gotten more and more aggressive about choosing who they will and will not host. Okay. They've now gotten so aggressive that they, It's a spectrum, as with anything. I did not. That's right. You just get these notices? You're not pushing enough.

2:17:32 Didn't I? 5 million now? Arbitrarily. With editors? With executives? But for several months, OK, for several months, anyone at Twitter, and they're going to pay attention to accounts that get 10 million impressions a day or 5 million impressions a day. But Twitter took no action against me for those tweets. And he said, they're killing people. Right. Okay. To prove it.

2:21:50 lawyers who are concerned about this. And they are looking at various legal doctrines, precedents, We will see. Twitter wants in that case. Now, Twitter is going to say we're a private company. We can choose to Right, until it's not. that it's going to be valuable to have that debate. So then they just try to find other places to go to. Oh, it's not.

2:25:52 And second of all, there's nothing. They have defamed me. When they say my reputation, I mean, listen, people can watch this and think that like I made a mistake here. I made a mistake there. I don't think anybody who watches this told them what you were going to do. Did you ever contact them after you were banned? So the I didn't read it, when I worked for the New York times,

2:28:16 OK, and not just once. And the harder the article is going to be, the more obligation you have. And then you should consider those answers, okay? It's like this guy sent me one round of questions, and I knew immediately upon reading them, And then he wrote what he wrote. And he didn't come back to me and say, You can come to a peace with a point of view.

2:30:42 didn't want to write any. he didn't want to actually address point by, you know, by August, you're going to have a hard time doing this after you ban you. I don't think anybody sort of well-known has. Then they told me what my second strike was. It doesn't reduce deaths. So Twitter said that was misleading. tweet that they put a misleading tag on. What was that one? That one was, I'll read it to you.

2:33:56 they don't say why it's misleading. And we want to mandate it in sanity. Learn why health officials recommend a vaccine for most people. I mean, there's a video of Fauci talking to this influencer on Instagram. Right? This is in May, OK? That was in May. So when these people tell you that they didn't say the vaccines could What they were essentially trying to guess was two different things.

2:37:41 Okay. So they were guessing on how quickly that would decline and on how low One is the antibodies go down faster than was predicted. from the clinical trials, unpublished data, and maybe saying, you know what, And this year, it turns out these are the most profitable pharmaceutical Glenn Greenwald is still out there. Yes. I mean, you know, I can't go back. I can't go. I mean, if I tried to work for the New York

2:42:17 There's a few people at those places who I can still talk to. I don't have a lot of hidden, or if I do, it's so well hidden that no one's coming and of very serious questions, is if the attitude of the social media sites changed and they encouraged open discourse on that. They found that 19 out of 20 of the top Christian sites on Facebook were run by a Russian troll farm.

2:44:48 It's happening constantly. It's accentuated and it's natural. Right. And they were telling me that 70% of these places are going under. My friend who worked, my friend has a brother who works for the state and was in the room when they were making these decisions. had their lives devastated by that one decision by a woman by the way the same woman in los angeles

2:47:22 to be and as scared as they want to make everyone else be? I mean, Australia is becoming a police state. No, it's not what's happening. Australia. I mean, it really is what it is. think you have control and power over other people, then you exercise it. It is a natural And then you just have to get used to getting vaccines and boosters and constant vaccines.

2:49:48 It never resets. And you see people go, what? I mean, you can give people these like in Canada. and dying from this, it doesn't make a bit of sense what we're doing. Well, what it gets to me I'm not like a super young guy. But people want to do that. It's crazy. But my perception is the greater good of the community is you take care of yourself, But when they were saying it was very, very rare, they were saying that you're carrying

2:53:32 So you get it. Second cases? Three times. I mean, look, unfortunately or fortunately, who's willing to buck the trend That is not what was said before. sort of put it up there. enhancement accelerating in the you get stuff like this. This is not correct. Pause for a second. What do you mean That's a real thing, though. When you delete me, when you ban me, you get stuff like this.

2:56:18 That's what I meant. I mean, I just was trying to decipher what- Okay, so this is the real thing. But it's not in the yournews.com. Right. getting a booster, right? Over the first six months, basically. United States over a six-month period? It's certainly no more than 10%. It might be closer to, you know, it's probably in the 10% We don't know if after six months it continues to go towards zero.

2:59:23 So this is still a month plus out. And what you can see is they're both trending up. infected six months after your vaccination. And that's in people 65 and older. Next, if you go Okay. So this is, oh, no you go to the next slide, you'll see that they try to provide an answer to that. Okay. Okay. So this No. I know they And that's the blue line at the very bottom.

3:02:19 in their group, which is basically people over 65, are fully vaccinated. So if 80% of people were fully vaccinated and the vaccine were 90% effective, I think it's DOD, like, you know, it's like retirees, military retirees. in the hospital. So they're saying, well, the vaccine looks like it still does some good. Yeah. be ostracized, you'd be kicked out of the town square, which is what Twitter really

3:05:07 I don't want anybody silenced. of silencing people from expressing themselves in a way that is arguably at Alex Berenstein is going to the movies. No You're saying the actual speech on it. Did you know that the hashtag naturalimmunity has been banned from Instagram? they're all down right now. They've been down That is another show. One of the great disappointments to me is that I thought Twitter was better than Facebook.

3:07:39 I really do. And he gets a lot of pushback from it internally. But it's his company. What is that? I mean, it has- Yeah, yeah, yeah. them they needed to do something different, they did it. So where are you at? Like, what do you do Yes. So there were several. And, you know, some of these places have conservative imprints. I guess one did not walk away,

3:11:13 Yes. But people love to say that. They've been saying that. Dangerous misinformation. Oh yeah. Usel Really? Oh, yeah. And if you're sick and coughing, So just... But doesn't it block any of the small particles when you're using those masks? So you're going to get sick whether I'm wearing the mask or not. No, no, no. There will be people in New Zealand who will never get COVID.

3:14:18 down or not. New Zealand, Australia, they can't keep it out. And the only way they're going to well they claim super trustworthy You can get it now. And it looks like the antibodies work. Fair enough. The problem is something has to be done. Once that window has been established and people are safe, It also is with replication. 36 hours later, they felt really good. There you go. So, okay. You want to say,

3:17:15 which we haven't talked about at all. I mean, we talked about it briefly. But more contagious? Vaccines change that equation, and they change it in ways we don't necessarily understand. It's terrible. I'm going to read it. is actually going on. When you censor people like me, And I was like, what? Right. say it to you too it just feels like i'm doing what i want to do and trying to tell the truth

3:20:21 Well, tell your buddy Jack. got $10 billion. He does what he wants. oh okay so sub stack