Joe Rogan Experience #173 — Peter Joseph Transcript

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0:00 We're gonna get to the bottom of shit. First of all, before we even start this interview, Peter Joseph, you don't know, is the creator of Zeitgeist, the original movie, and it's a fascinating thing that's going on right now. So I just brought that into that particular context. But I didn't fit in the whole orchestral establishment percussion scene now but percussion

2:26 I never intended to be, actually. Didn't expect it to go anywhere because basically I had no rights to actually pursue this as a film. It was a catharsis for me. that actually had full-length stuff. What kind of lawsuits were threatened? And then eventually I went back, you know, What a pain in the ass. especially in the film media industry. shown here at the Egyptian Theater.

5:16 Do they really support change, though? Start the largest critical mass the world's ever seen it i'm it's the ultimate anti-institution so i often don't even reference the movement i reference Street type situation? they're looking for something different so it's amazing and the ethnicity what defines awareness and logic and reason, between logic and psychology,

7:36 or a criminal pulls out a gun, is one massive corruption of what it means to live on this planet, And what it comes down to is you have to have a system and how do we keep everybody happy and healthy? But we tend to find that what we find now as far as information is concerned in the words of Buckminster Fuller, of everything. How do we respect that?

9:42 You can't separate anything anymore, and that's a unique phenomenon that's occurring and you can stretch Does it just dissolve? Sure. it's a working utopia. We also have another crisis, and that crisis is the way people raise children. We have the crisis when they're not paying attention to their kids Yeah. Yeah. It's just we want a lot of chaos. You know, you want a lot of messy things. Great for fighting, too.

12:17 It's really just a crisis of misunderstanding what we're doing. We're going to continue to make this money. There's no way this system can persist for a number of different reasons I could throw out there. Occupy has only been the first to really acknowledge that it makes the lower percentiles movements of money irrelevant. And what's unique, even though I hold

14:33 is that the entire infrastructure of society, because it goes against our long-term evolutionary fitness, which means the entire species is at risk. until we begin to realize that we can't operate this way And a few scientists realized that and said, if we intend to survive as a species. Cancer. The rich are only gonna get richer and smaller and smaller and when if you want to see anger just wait just wait

17:24 trying to spread information about what a new social system may be, structure. but they know that there's an issue. hasn't been able to really put a train of thought forward that others can grasp. It's just going to be one iteration of rogue. sociological research is that a great number of studies have been done on those issues But when it comes to creativity, very few are actually motivated by money.

20:02 Money's a pollutant to me, you know, for anything that I've done. I love buying cool shit. What if you had... I hate paying bills Creativity that you have to get paid to live, I don't give a fuck if you understand it or not. Why is it 100 times bigger than the real market? Is that what it's like essentially? You really have to know what you're doing.

22:33 I have no clue. What an out of control ride. So if you work really hard and make that invention we have to deal with as variables didn't exist when our minds are were created our dna is that doesn't know how to drive, and we're still evolving out of that dumb monkey primal soup and popping out. Evolution is always natural one way or another. It's just disgusting. I've seen destroying ourselves one town where they say it's like smoking two packs of cigarettes a day

26:12 but under the guise that the company is doing it in the best interest of business, You know, and it's not our fault if it's legal. It was whatever you needed to do to get money. I've likened the war to the way people react argue where we have thousands of dudes with guns in some other part of the It's gigantic. I'm not going to take it anymore. right there so you think about that logic a human life becomes quite secondary to most motivations

28:58 But what I am saying is that we know that they went to war and they said that there was weapons of mass destruction You really think that they would because you're a U.S. citizen? supposed to be about that's not what this country was supposed to be founded for this this country You know, don't give up your liberties. They knew. much more violently.

30:54 the male from the female plant. That's how you make it They used it for all sorts of different things. And there's all these different passages, people smoking on their hemp pipe. Yeah, they all did. And again, what do you expect? Seriously, you look at these like, I don't remember that guy. Oh, he's a loon. no nothing. He's super Jesus. It's a big football game.

33:29 Even Ron Paul, if he was magically to be swept in with bulletproof vest on and everything else, you'll see some dramatic shifts in his policy the moment he comes in because he knows he knows what's actually possible in that environment before the shitstorm hits him They're cutting costs on their car production. But that's just the way it is They must hire guys

34:50 $250,000 They can be positive towards you some companies that were were listed to me Like if you're a doctor or something like that. Yeah. Oh, snap. It's a weird thing that, you know They will fight tooth and nail or catches his son with it or something like that, if you live in a nice neighborhood you know there's generally a lot less financial strife

38:00 where everyone thinks they can just keep having kids, to drug addiction, whether it goes to mental disorders, or even physical disorders. It's allowing the vulnerability of this natural organism to come to fruition. The protections are gone. that's based on the using of natural resources universally reason it's like okay here's we Zeitgeist Movement is really a movement of logic and reason. It's like, okay, here's what we have. We have technological automation.

40:31 So what does that mean? all sorts of modular machines now that can do things, all sorts of modular machines now Well, at this stage, they wouldn't know what the fuck to do. Like if Obama was smart, he'd get a bunch of Roosevelt administration, What happens when someone lays off a bunch of employees in the stock market? The stock goes up. is going to be a very interesting year. It's amazing that things have accelerated this far,

43:11 you're like, all right, but what does scare me It very easily could. Especially the equinoxes. to the fact if I'm believing and different traits You'd be amazed at how... I'm talking about, like, somebody giving you a date. Think about people are doing. Judeo-Christian Islamic religion by symbolism. They just look that way. It's a completely 2D prima facie surface flatland view.

46:07 There's expansion. That was outside. Where is that? That's the worst you have to worry about And she found out about which is inadvertent to me. That's hilarious. It's amazing. And a new thing is going to come along, man. It's destroying the fabric of almost everything that you see around you. because I think that's just a matter of time. He just gets bored in class

49:27 But let me tell you, it's somewhere near half. That is amazing that there's someone out there that is a professional that's able to do something like that. Absolutely. Yeah, and he's getting all this input that blows. you're gonna have to hate it well meanwhile everything else you get good at every game you It should be one of the highest paid fields on the planet.

51:54 a teacher makes in a public school system it's fucking deplorable it's amazing that it's accepted The victims of a system that really doesn't care, doesn't understand how to care. Yeah yeah You're ripe to be enslaved But back to the drug issue, it just preps kids now so they can, massive drop off. It's ridiculous. And that's the data Intuitively speaking, you would want to say that.

54:10 we're surrounded by the movement of energy everybody well you really want to cover in the sky all solar you just go into Don't you need batteries, though, for solar? I think. How is that? like your computer has capacitors that store energy. To say that would take some more deep analysis, It's like, wow, it's pretty fascinating that that is all. years there's already small advancements in that see the more you that's like that's alchemy it is

57:44 How do you possibly maintain labor systems where you can synthesize a laptop in one swoop, download the model from your computer, it goes into this vat, it's in this dust, and then the molecular element is released just like you print into a printer or 3D printing, which I had in my film moving forward as a primitive notion of that. But you see why.

58:33 It's a syntax of thought. the pollution problems, the waste problems, and the health problems, and why they feed in together that you don't need to throw away. It's planned and intrinsic. Another level is intrinsic. It's not just that people, you know, they a business model. It's planned and intrinsic. It's called operating systems. So if you're Apple computer, you wanna buy the components

1:00:50 has to be diminished immediately for people to afford it. really they decide to just make the best shit they can make. It's the peak of engineering. No, it's not electric. look at all the advanced propulsion technology that's used in NASA why In other parts of the country, I know you can get it like 93 or 4. The majority of people are lower middle class.

1:03:46 I mean, what does it become? Communism? I mean, how do you What do we do? Well, think about because we don't need all of that. Imagine if you didn't have to worry about money, Joe. they're contributing to society. to a certain effect and dimwits and assholes It's a super real issue at the core of everything. sure and the two unbearable douchebags would make the whole party

1:06:20 We're still going to have to deal with the barbarians at the gates. Yes, they would. To go get whatever the fuck you had and that would last for a little while until yeah until someone said yeah you don't have to do that if we just calm down a moment They have fucking tents and they have a community there. out in the wilderness as long as you don't show

1:08:04 or if you're a whole other country like the but it's got to be real pretty. Get my Jim Jones glasses. They're accepting it. going to be stuck in a situation where we're like, like Russia was at one point in time, or, you know, and many a debate, you replace people, but you're not just replacing their job. in numbers that we have in the past. carefully they are automating very very slowly just like all the grocery stores are automating

1:11:18 Is it possible that everybody can find their own unique way to contribute Twice per capita is what it is? Socially speaking, if you go to small tribes that don't have access to television, which is fueling all this industry that's completely irrelevant, basically. Remember, Joe? We talked about it before. irrelevant, waste of life, waste of the human brain,

1:13:13 think within a couple of years, you're They got to secure the Middle East for other resources as far as minerals and gold and other things that are there, too They could have been having these time holes for some time. Sure. There's no way you'd be able to perceive it. capacity for uh innovation the the really impressive shit is all the stuff that blows things the fuck up.

1:15:19 That's just, that's, you know, that's the peak of our technology. would say, well, you know what? this year, it's cancer. You want nuclear physicists to go after AIDS. that produced the best goddamn cell phone. If I could give you the wheel this great great world this great No, there wouldn't be a place for that. You don't want to be, right? Are we in the dynasty?

1:18:13 we have that cerebral cortex that popped out that can override Those instincts are all primal. I mean, you ever be in front of somebody and you just want to punch them in the fucking head? I would just throw poop on him. Right. There's no universals. There's no king. Well, that's why I'm here. But then again, in the sense of causality, and there's an organism of knowledge

1:20:38 You wouldn't have had this movement. Yeah not have come down any other way right isn't that something that was said with creative license yeah that's what was definitely implied you said that just to for for effect because it was your for Even beyond that, you have eyewitness testimony of people that were stepping over bodies from pre-weakening explosions that were there.

1:22:11 He and one other person were in the elevators But the other towers, Maybe they can do it where it pancakes down. And I've yet to meet one structural engineer that could ever explain that, especially given several people who believe the exact same thing. And one of them was Michael Rupert, who was on last week. Shoot them all? Tight, tight club. something to do with that? Based

1:24:57 And we know that this situation has been, it's happened in history before where someone enable in certain ways and sometimes they bust them in the middle or they let it go forward Knew he was going to do it and let him? I'm perfectly honest. gave him a fake bomb, set him up, and he went and did it, Infiltrated and aided I think it was seven people or something.

1:27:29 could have rigged the World Trade Center towers? Back in time, you just look at how they operated before, the source would be it had so many benefits and so many different levels namely benefit though I have one of the first publications, by the way, that was produced the day after 9-11 Next page, the guy from Korea. thing either. we have so much more

1:29:53 or two countries competing for resources and their own esteem I figured he would just be character assessed to the left and right. But if I was in that position that I do in my work, with any type of role, as you've joked about. But there's nothing more important to me than showing a larger face to this type of concept We do what we have to do in this system.

1:31:46 You do what you have to do. I can't afford to just flagrantly go out there. We have a Zeitgeist day, which is a very intellectual day Yeah, that's a big pivotal part Who do you think killed Biggie? It was all really a matter of how publicly manipulated everyone is just amazing to see the response, again, completely inadvertent. that has a kind of a cult of personality thing,

1:34:17 I don't know if you're in a relationship girls with tattoos. I think for some reason. Oh, yeah, I like tatted If you need a podcast. And makes no sense Peter Joseph every week Is it on regular radio? Just no video. Well, it's one of the things I was paying attention to when I was watching your presentation. you know, always share. If you want to go back,

1:36:24 I'm going for, a little more anarchy-oriented, a very specific kind of gesture I'm going for a little more off in any communication you need strategy not completely set on that but it's going to be the fourth to be a live which I think I'm excited to do the trilogy, well, not the trilogy, Right. or do whatever the hell knows to a very large land mass,

1:39:15 I think it's a little more complicated than that psychologically that we could have. the idea that we're at war to us when you look at each other as yourself, it's not even poetic here. It's just you can't have social stability until everyone's Or it's just, as in the words of Albert Einstein, For the extension of the human species, we have to populate another planet

1:41:27 It is all natural. jacked the host or does something terrible to those isn't it possible that And it's gonna feed the need for people But I mean, Well, I just had great influences from Carl Sagan And he smoked weed every day, son. Yeah, he was a brilliant guy. He's the director of the Venus Project, yeah. And the Zeitgeist Movement promotes long trains of thought without being specific to a design.

1:44:59 That's what it was. I got a map. and social engineer. is a good counterpart. I was someone who was in some sort of a position of power, of political influence, I mean, is that a concern for a guy like that? Well, I don't... If you started running, you're very young right now. Well, it was four years ago, so I was 28. See, that's very unusual, man. gonna be a non-profit i'm founding which is going to basically take artists and engineers get them

1:48:07 But you could think of all sorts of creative means of up and over systems. power the lights you know you can have pressure transducers in these walls that could help power and give people vertical farms You can have everyone have an access abundance, we call it, on this planet. Wait a minute. four ferraris as though that's a utility need? It's a completely vanity orientation.

1:50:41 Is there competition in this society? They think about improving their own betterment. But that's what the culture reinforces. You know, it's a natural thing. I'm not denying that it exists, but in order to push innovation, that incentive, for one. And I think his interest to be competitive was really just to make the best If I have to survive and have to go into a fight with somebody, well, that's an obvious competition.

1:53:07 Or I can say there's another victim of culture. What are you, crazy? that are just typical of the system Someone would literally insult somebody else, and I think that's a huge part of being a human being. You know, They know exactly there's been a few brawls, But, I mean, for the most part, the amount of altercations that you're going to get It's a fear.

1:56:13 Well, if you want, I can go back to your question, I guess, from like 20 minutes ago regarding track a fundamental train of thought you arrive at a series of conclusions the first is you get oriented, computer generated. is the most efficient concept of social, I'd spend much more money renting this stuff Or anywhere. back then it was like one of the first transit ideas for los angeles and even to this day you

1:58:15 They're going to have you driving by license plate number. Brazil. So they can create more air pollution shit. And then we have to show the audit, show, as I mentioned, group of people that are not politicians they're not jockeying for public support volunteer to show what they can do to make society more efficient. meaning the cut corners to get the right product

2:00:36 Never enough to go around is the assumption. the the light and now it's the big They're gonna recognize, just like they recognize right now in other parts of the country where A new dictator's gonna move into place. not real? God, I really wish aliens Is it? Do you remember Ronald Reagan's and everybody got crazy for a film Don't do it What happens the motivation of all the continents they come together they try to combine their resources

2:03:26 Scooby-Doo if there were hackers trying to save humanity? Who do you think would have you play the lead hacker? Who's this? It was just so wonky. But figuring out a graphic user interface had just really never been, the nuclear fallout possibility during the Cold War, So once a breakdown of society occurs, once people see how interconnected things are

2:05:43 utterly symbiotic. It's the group mind it's a feeding into us through information, whether it's your parents, whether it's your educational system. These tools will lead to something, and if the values are right, if we see the rationale, if we see the reason, if we see what it means to relate to the environment, which is very, very simple, Or somebody makes a Terminator.

2:07:34 There's nothing in there that I could see programming wise that would allow for such a thing. Of course. Well, if they're extensions of us, they become our tools. I mean, we're almost inseparable. Those are bodies. Those are dead bodies. Joseph cool with robots taking over hey I'm cool with that cool this is the coming forward to save us because Evolutionary baggage, exactly.

2:10:51 Exactly. I mean, if you don't know, if you never had it, you realize how humbling it is first of all just to know that can get you the good shit. So can we add mushrooms to the Zeitgeist Movement? where he believes in Fox magic. He's not following any of the status quo. He's a good guy, too. Fox Magic, bitches. I'm going to be in New York, if anyone's in New York, at the end of this month in Columbia.

2:14:07 movement. What is the best way to be informed? Film Series has been subject to more recently than the Zeitgeist phenomenon as far as a cultural issue. It's really strange. i i i have a great deal of humor with all of this i i have the carlin level i call it sitting on the I don't owe anybody anything. not going to be around forever i could hit the carlin level and say fuck it evolutionary cul-de-sac

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