Joe Rogan Experience #1732 — Ben Shapiro Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. We've escaped the criminal communist state of California. We both look about 25% happier. It's like you're living in a, how bad it is just regular people. There's no other place that exists in the country. with them just in the normal course of business in LA or New York. They're really fascinating because what they do is they've taken rats and they take them

2:26 You see all kinds of stuff that you see like people do It feels like there's sort of a background level of threat that just exists when there are tons of people you don't know who are around you all the time. and then said that it's a civil right and you would go, It's just, it's unbelievable. I don't care. You were barely before me And I'd been saying for a couple of years,

4:46 years you think this place is gonna be better or you think this place is gonna be worse and then And then on Rodeo, they curfewed it at 1 so people could just run up and down Rodeo Drive Once the riots hit, that's when the mass exodus really started. Tantrum so when you saw people on Saks Fifth Avenue like, you can get a free vaccine. Yeah. I don't know who's better. You know, Lightfoot's in the lead. She's right there

7:13 And then she repeated it. No, I miss this. There's a dead body on the ground where a guy got shot. See if you can find where I think the cops just threw their fucking hands up in the air and they're like, we're done. That's a fist fight. these fucking people are criminally incompetent. I mean, right now, it's moved. They said, we're not going to spend any money in Florida.

10:19 than most other states i think it's only second to california there's the if you look at the No. CNN told me. I knew that they lied in the news, Joe Rogan just had a swig of liquid used to wash cars. the bag seven days after i tested positive and i was fine i was like really fine like didn't feel It's a strange time because I don't know why people are behaving the way they are,

12:43 I thought it was going to be like 9-11 in that people were going to recognize like, hey, this is a threat to all of us. there's some people one of the healthiest over a member of the Las Vegas Raiders allegedly running a person over at 150 miles an hour, right? I don't care. You know, some people think human nature is good. Some people think human nature is kind of sinful.

14:46 There's always the guy, we feature guys like you or people like me I saw a really good piece by Scott Alexander, who used to write for Slate Star Codex before they outed him, and now he runs something called Astral Star Codex. And he was in the society had to make a choice. They could either admit that that button never existed and they want to mask up forever. You're starting to see it morph now. It's like we can't give each other

17:31 that can impact their lives in a negative way. And they're looking at it completely I was better in 24 hours after taking them. emergency use authorization. And that's angry if other people don't take that risk. And then they want to point out that there's also a you're a guy who's kind of in the fight arena. then any risk penetrating that bubble looks just unbelievably outsized.

20:08 which is not true. That's not even true for old people, right? Even for old people, the actual facts, when the fact shield that they've created is broken, when it turns out that it was not true, then people lose all faith in the institutions. We're the science. This is very important. Well, you can take supplements. We sort of knew. That's fair. Like, what we knew a year ago versus what we know now. It Wuhan leak or whether or not it came from a lab, like what we knew a year ago

22:29 It was being done at the state level, and then they federalized the supply chain. This is it, the vaccine. Well, I am very pro-vaccine. It doesn't exist. effects after years and years of use it's fucking nuts It's a crazy number. Let's find out what the number is. people, safe and effective. So was Vioxx. So was Vioxx. I have a friend who had a stroke from Vioxx

25:29 versus whatever you think you have to do to get it. now they're pushing third shots right and like the data on third shots is really really sketchy all the fucking time including go like that right into his arm, that I'm not a doctor. place apparently. I don't know if you know. I mean, it is pretty incredible how, yeah. That's right. I mean, you know, you and I are kind of on different sides of the fence politically, but we're not with everything. I am very, I'm very pro police. I'm very pro military. I'm very pro Second Amendment. I'm very pro protecting families and people. And I'm very pro-choice. I'm very pro, you know, you gotta,

29:06 I've seen oh, I know old people you do too. You're lying to me. You know what this is paying illegal immigrants or thinking of paying illegal immigrants like almost half a million No, oh no i missed that one i'll have to see that it's pretty interesting but yeah no but biden's That's low resting heart rate is awesome. But Kamala's lower. because every time she comes out,

31:29 I mean, she makes Hillary Clinton just look charming and personable. It's unbelievable. You were talking earlier about your impressions are bad. It's not horrific. They need work. How does that work? Trump to come back as he gets high the negatives, you know what? It'll ask the media to suggest, again, that guy is whiter than any person on earth. If he was trans, he would get a head.

34:05 I don't think so. I think if you look at her approval rating, president. Yeah. I think that's a good move. Just go missing for 10 days. No one knows. California, right? I don't know what's going on with them. I don't know either. Yeah. And he was dead, but he's also being kind of radical. And he was dead, He was pretty good in the first debate. It just shows you how politicians are, right?

36:28 I mean, I think that was the plan with Afghanistan. I think they're accustomed to having complete control over the media narrative and they don't have that anymore. But they don't – that's not impactful anymore. the real facts in a But I think that, again, until people let go of the core notion that government is going they should leave us the hell alone in the main. It's just going to get worse.

38:43 But meanwhile, my friends were over there, like Chappelle was over there. He told me that no one wears a mask. So you're walking spirit moves you, then off comes the mask. Meanwhile, you're masking up my five-year-old It's wild. of this institution. And she wrote up this long document with all the links and all the data about And so they have to suppress it.

41:05 conservative voices. And if you're a person who has an understanding of the importance of free that's actually a good point and then you shift your judgment you shift your perspective this is Let's silence them. media facilitated the spread of russian dis. Now, my company is an online company. government spreading things that are not true in order to subvert our politics to misinformation, right? It's only one letter

43:56 And these fact-checkers will determine whether or not you have violated the ban on misinformation. It's all the same kind of stuff. what is actually happening now. A growing number And this is where the legacy media, they try to jump in and they try to put boots on the There was people that worked there. to be this complete unbiased source of information

46:46 And so it gets submitted with something that is completely different than the tone of the actual article itself because this is the way you can get people to click on it. you have the kevin ruse's and they can't like every single day. Kevin Ruse over at The New York Times puts out a list of what he says are the top traffic links at Facebook. And it's a much clearer path.

48:32 Did you see that today? Yes. It's a cool thing. Like the possibilities for building alternatives have never been higher. And that is the thing In California, you think yourself as a Californian kind of culturally. Right. in California was minimal. And then I was like, what are you doing? That changed everything. Right. And you couldn't do that in L.A.

51:30 sort the big sort is happening people are leaving the red the blue states they're coming to the red was it 2019 was the first year Right. Yes. It's a mental health crisis. allowed to take them away because this was the personal property of the people who are living He was using it for electricity and he had a turntable. it to an actual life? Someone should tell him there's like a million open welding jobs in the United States right now.

54:34 have a place to go and get their medication yeah like how in the world has that been that been the No, it's different. who's... an insane amount So we'll spend tens of millions of dollars on random trains that go to nowhere in California, Well, it's just no one's going to take those fucking things. Wait, he's missing, right? We really need the bullet train.

57:28 I don't know. angle, and I'm coming from it from a very practical angle, like what's going to bring Exactly. is to become a protector of their family. because you're speaking up against the notion that, a healthy human identity constitutes, I think is fundamentally different from a lot of people And then if everybody else accepts that, we're supposed to be a society that's chiefly built on us all accepting our own internal self-definition.

1:01:12 real. And I think that if you can figure out a way to work hard, you will feel satisfaction from You just, people need to accept you. And we need the government to step in and fill in all the It doesn't mean that. Yep. No, I was just thinking the risk kind of throwback to the conversation because you are foregoing current benefits for future benefits, right? When you get married, you're

1:03:53 of broader risks emotionally. So when you start off and you're single, I would say that your pregnant with a kid, you have no idea what that kid is going to be like when they're born. I mean, And so that's why we speak about, to take it to economics for a second, when people, it drives me up a wall when people describe people Maybe they weren't born rich.

1:05:28 the number of people who are in the top 400 I don't know about Musk's personal background. I grew up in a house with three sisters. And over the course of your life, you work yourself up, right? So, you're privileged in the sense that – like as I am, in the sense that we're blessed by living in a system where hard work and innovation matter. ugly and it's really bad. Who's saying that? You get it from right and left, actually.

1:07:31 If you've bubbled yourself off from the possibility of falling off the top of the pyramid, that's not a meritocracy anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. what a free market economy is. It's a skillsocracy and a skillsocracy, which is really what a free market economy is. I don't think it's moral. Right, who fail. gives you a better shot. inborn qualities reward people in different ways. Like as a society society we tend to think the only reward is a financial reward but living in a community

1:10:21 Right. all be rewarded. And then on a moral level, like the way that we, honestly, the way that we repay who are less successful that the entire system by which success is charted monetarily is wrong It's very difficult to quantify whether or not your employees are loved and feel happy and you feel like you provide an environment where they feel like they're a part of something.

1:13:13 You decide on a given day whether you want to do a show or whether you want to stay home with your family. off or whatever, but you're not allowed to. How does that work? You leave it on before Sabbath. What you see and feel? And I think the pandemic really accelerated this. from the time you're a little kid we were just talking about this, and you end up with Ready Player One world?

1:16:15 Two paddles, yep. And haptic feedback suits and all these different things. No, I think then the barbarians come to the gate. I think that's what happens. And that's it. this virtual world. to you as a civilization right what happens if you've taken an entire generation of people told of human nature or the one that says we're going to use those vulnerabilities to make you feel

1:19:28 again. I was like, that's not right. I think it'll take a year. We're like a year and a half in and they're not playing the same game that we are, right? We're essentially drugging ourselves. Then you're the one who gets left out if you're not in the experience machine. people from doing it because I think it's going to be so overwhelmingly addictive.

1:21:25 It's minimal, but people are completely I mean, it's nothing. The dopamine hit you get off this little phone. It's minimal. My kids don't get internet access until like 18. Like that is not a thing I want. 18? They can be That's what I do. Yeah. If we're talking about the elite kind of versus everybody else gap. And then everybody who is watching is like, I will do that.

1:23:32 Again, all I can say is I think that a lot of the media, whether it is in the United States or whether it is abroad, works in cahoots with whatever government is in power. That's unbelievable. I'm going to get out of here. What court? How does that stand right now? In the same way that the CDC eviction moratorium was just like, I tried. In two months, we'll start taking care of it and we'll announce a plan.

1:25:53 So that's one problem with it, legally speaking. Do they have any discourse? Do families have any discourse? Any recourse on it? show is that there's a rational basis for what they're doing because they are given really broad the number of kids who have died who are healthy it's a financial push? No, I really don't. I mean, I can see why it might be a push from

1:28:02 That was all the incentive structures. wears a mask everywhere. They'll do it, right? They will. And if you're in a red area, conversely, I will mitigate all risk. And because then if somebody dies, you can say, well, it's because they didn world is to say everybody stay in your home. I the great mighty will save you I will mitigate all risk and if you live and because then if somebody dies you can say woes because they didn't listen to me Right. I mean I could have cracked down harder

1:29:45 a vaccine through the process. And then they generate this vaccine, which again, I'm in favor But the fear was the parents Zoom the teachers in. Listen, I had kids who were being I can't believe I'm paying for this. Some of them were trying to engage with the children and they put forth a lot of effort. the point is that if you were going to do something rational without the

1:31:38 Right. If you're young and you're healthy, you should probably just go about your life and live like normal. We forbade that from the outset. I mean, I got just ripped up on Twitter for suggesting that we ought to treat people differentially based on age with regard to COVID. We knew that if you're old, if you had diabetes, if you're fat, it was going to be a problem.

1:32:50 They do love to take that angle. They don't like my angle. Second of all, like, I wonder if you would apply the same standard to, say, obesity. Essentially all obesity is avoidable. Unless you have some sort of severe genetic They have a slower metabolism. a lot of things you could do. You know, I'm not saying that you should not be treated because you're obese, but there

1:35:30 Right? the original take on the vaccine was is going to be 95 effective and there's an extremely rare Well, the vaccines are effective at preventing hospitalization and death. and those aren't even encouraged exercise and then also consider whether you might want to True. Tell people to stop It should provide food and shelter. Well, I've seen during this pandemic,

1:38:22 I think it could be applied in a way that would work and benefit people And he goes, why? He goes, because then I That is always going to be the case. Because I think in the pursuit of doing things that are difficult, your mind becomes engaged. You have a lot of commitment to these tasks. You have a lot of I totally agree with this. but by actual life, because life is filled with hardship and terrible things,

1:41:09 I had an argument with a guy. He was telling me that we should tax. First of all, he's saying I go, well, what would you propose that that money go to? It's all the kids of the rich people. Do do do do do. what the fuck are you saying? get me out of here. this is like case in point, where he's trying to get rid of the magnet I know. Even the way he communicates is so disconnected.

1:43:40 We got to give it a chance. Reteach math? Yes, the gifted programs because there's too many Asian kids. Yeah. You have to like say, show me how to do this problem. The idea that you're going to eliminate tests and somehow make things more equitable or more even is kind down the street and he's wearing a hoodie and he's a young guy, 17 years old. you know the kid, he's a nice kid.

1:47:07 So who do you let in? The whole point is more specific data is better. If you're terrified of going to your school because your school is riddled with gang violence, makes things safer, and gives people an opportunity to do things that they don't have. It's totally counterintuitive. I mean, between the need for police officers in these communities,

1:49:53 is that it's not even the presence of a father in the home, People that you can associate with. It's an environment. My friend Jungsik, I still think about him to this day. And that's how he would get his cardio in. I mean, and he was telling me the the way he grew up and I'm not It's more likely to have you value the things that you're being told to value.

1:52:00 Second generation. It's wild. I also just have questions about the general way in which we determine what is now quote unquote equitable in terms of how we break You never hear the opposite. Are you a sexist? I mean, yes. So she went to college. She took off a couple of years and worked, and then she went to medical school. I go, do you know that they have different jobs?

1:55:06 And Obama argued it. He's a lawyer. Like it turns out that engineers get paid more than teachers. And he just starts rattling off all these different things. Does anybody actively say that? And the reason is because when women work in countries where income is highly prized don't look at the world that way. And when you force people to look at the world that way,

1:58:08 like the stuff they like to do yes you would think of as being more you know stereotypical this idea of income inequality is always addressed, but not the idea of effort inequality. And this one thing that this person created, he sold a billion units of this thing. So what other metric are you going to use for success? So the way that we measure success in terms of monetary exchange is the most goods, services, products that you provided to somebody else and they paid you for willingly, right?

2:00:25 skilled people we have doing skillful things, the more cool things that we have on the market, On a moral level, maybe it's not fair. What's not selfish is I now create a product, good, or service, people moving money around moving numbers these companies get funded because they could in turn provide goods and services that people I'm not saying that that's more.

2:03:17 It was much harder to raise money for a company 50 or 100 years ago. go by having these people around that will raise capital because of the stock market because of the People are going to draft off of you, presumably. What is perfect? that I was trying to make. he's adding positive externalities to the system. And that's the only way that income gets generated

2:05:10 It's a small amount in each transaction, but overall does a net good for the culture, I mean, so you could probably add some. talking about are on average and what percentage of that transaction he's trying to grab all right Do you think people should pay a lot of money for college? do you think the same rules should apply that are currently in place where you can never get out of your student loans?

2:07:16 So I think that if you are a private institution, just like any other loan, you should be forced to take the risk of the loan. Really? You get a degree in something useless. So one of the big problems is trying to treat all degrees as equivalent, which they are not. You really can, but in order to be considered a person who's a serious thinker. because he's going to be educated in all sorts of different things like history and sociology?

2:09:35 There's got to be some sort of coming-of-age ritual that involves education. Yeah, I think there's something... It's a segment of 14, 15 saying, what are you interested in getting them sort of, if like, that's a very- like a 56 question test surely there's got to be some i mean maybe that's what they're trying to do So for me, it was actually, listen, I went to UCLA and then I went to Harvard Law and I

2:12:18 Yeah, I was already conservative going to college. a lot more variable when it comes to Israel, for example, then you realize that you might not be in dispossessed people's narrative. because Israel's successful mean, the Hamas government in the Gaza Strip. Yeah. Which presides over a couple million people. So Israel completely pulled out of the Gaza Strip.

2:14:36 Because I haven't seen you debate that. you know, Thank God for the iron dome. 10,000 rockets above your cities. When AOC and all these people that didn't want the Iron Dome to be funded, argument that they, because I've heard her discuss the whole Israel versus Palestine thing, deep injustice has been done. If somebody is powerful and somebody has less power, the person

2:17:29 longer guarantee your safety if you drive off this road and into this Palestinian city. This is now Are they allowed to emigrate? you're immigrating to the United States, presumably stricter because they have to have security In some cases, you actually have Israelis who are going into undisputed Palestinian areas and the Israeli government clears them out.

2:19:29 and they take them over. So there's the real reason for the Gaza war, canceled the election, he decided to essentially gin up an enormous controversy over the Temple allowed to pray up there. By One was Sheikh Jarrah. Israel wins back all of Jerusalem, they unify the city of Jerusalem, right? That's why old and new is over there. Okay. And so bottom line is that the Palestinians there stopped paying rent

2:22:19 and also protest up on the Temple Mount. They start firing rockets in the middle of Israel. Israel's trying to wipe out the, The warden of the prison is Hamas. why the people are trapped, Your perspective, the way you're describing it is not, is not, I don't hear it anywhere. and the reason why Hamas exists in the first place Israel made an offer in 2001 to give the Palestinians essentially all of the West Bank with some land swaps

2:25:18 Everything is very, like, right on top of each other, territorially speaking. authority in the West Bank, these are the moderates. The Palestinian Authority is supposedly is illegitimate because it used to be all Palestinian owned? It used to be Islamic territory. but very few people know the actual complicated details of it. one of the governing parties right now in the coalition is Arab. There are Arab judges who

2:27:54 and are Israeli citizens. I think it would be good for everybody because I've learned a lot just here talking to you about It's the motherland. Another one. Exactly. How do you have time? One a Authoritarian Moment. Oh, you have a book. Another one. You know, you said before, like, if I had free time, I wouldn't sit around on my ass. When you cover subjects,

2:29:19 but I'm constantly writing. And it's like, Like just sit there,