Joe Rogan Experience #1738 — Ben O'Brien Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. I missed you. That was John Dudley's creation. There's no way to really recreate that. Remy was on that one. Remy. Sam Soho was on that one. We literally opened up the mini bar. I think I might have even told you guys after. We created the worst drink ever. I want to say dudley was also involved With a little rye whiskey. No.

2:49 They'll take it away from you. I think if it's in a fanny pack, though. Don't a lot of people use fanny packs for concealed carry? You can defend yourself. I fucking really wear one. So we got a little water. Got a couple different choices. Is this the one that Sanjay Gupta gave me? I think it's a sword. That looks like a hatchet. He's a real security guard? It says on there,

4:52 He's one of those dudes. Shirtless in the moonlight. Not better times, different times. this is my third studio. I knew this was a job. Didn't you? I didn't laugh more in a truck my whole life. That's what everybody said. Yeah. i mean he fucking invented this shit and he's i love that guy he's awesome he's definitely been doing it longer. I mean he fucking invented this shit, and he's I love that guy. He's awesome

7:33 But he's fully dialed in. a back alley inner, up. It comes out through my meathead mouth. And then it goes in my ears. I'm like, yeah, Like, this is hard. what martial art's the best martial art? things that you're really fascinated by you know i i always say that i wish i had many lives that really difficult those do-it-yourself guys, I fucking All with guides?

10:53 the thing that I did. This is a craft that I this case to get close to get close enough and kill one did you do scouting One, I want to be able to include my friends in this. they all hang out. No. And so I was like, started from scratch, sounded like shit as an outcaller. It was been about three I got a lot of stories about that particular spot where I learned when the elk were there,

14:01 Yeah? Let's go get an elk. It's a drainage. I'm going to go back here and call, and we'll draw him past you and get a shot. ready he's coming down he's running he's coming in oh jesus and i'm i'm if you're still a landowner his cows are getting whacked up here and he said listen i said well and then come back for the rest of the meet. They know. Like, a lot of people leave behind the guts.

17:20 I do remember. they probably could. I think I have a photo I was just running and I don't know why. But I just kept running. He's the best. Yeah. hey, one day you'll be living in Grizz country. They get used to it. Yeah. Like a 7 year anniversary of the Moose Hunt Holy shit two bulls. Who knows what happened. This is my favorite part. They're so big

20:55 This is like the second or third hunt I'd ever been on. What are you doing? That's right. I'm not very good at hunting. I like it, too. a black belt in kind of being able to talk about it but that doesn't mean you have the physical you talk to Cam Haynes who's an a chance i try to do this i try to shoot him slightly quartering towards i try to do this i

23:55 And it's a three-dimensional game because it has, you go play a video game and what do you get at understanding an animal, because they're trying to get some fuzo. Because if you were, you think about the activity of hunting, you would reason we go, is the meat and what that provides for you. Yes. It's the package of the game of hunting, the game theory, that makes it attractive.

25:31 And it sustains you. It's fucking super healthy. line yeah bone in yeah and as you're going through this process you get to see the transformation You know what I mean? And even the muscles that are used quite often in the animal, Like it's so beautiful to peel off the meat from a shank. And it's like a stress technique. the paleolithic days. that's what made our jaws.

28:51 Yeah. It's delicious. I forget what it's called, but it's basically like a half of a rubber ball Like in my office. Yeah, that's true. I've been doing it for years. I'm used to it. Especially during the pandemic. I know I'm going to make a roast out of that. Because we get into this in my world. Not everybody's going to hunt, but that's- and making it my life. I mean, I think if I died tomorrow, three quarters of my funeral would be people in the hunting world that I've met and gave

32:45 There's nobody that's been like, yeah, it's nice, but I'll do it on the weekends. our culture do for us? Like what's, what's the really useful thing that our modern culture does It's one of them. It's a healthy addiction that can substitute some of the unhealthy ones and it's endless and it like i said it's a allowed me to have this really comprehensive understanding of people that I do not think

35:24 He's so good at living life. He's so good at living life. That motherfucker loves dogs. You've heard legend of this thing that I've been named after, this god. conversation that we had i really enjoyed his company man i really really really really enjoyed I always appreciated that because you have that education and you kept hunting and they were appalled at the fact

38:05 And his rationale was that this animal was raised to be killed, this is how we do it and you're just kind of following in my case at least following him I've sussed it all out, I understand exactly what hunting does for my life. And then I can then understand there's a structure for why this I'm talking activist vegans, Oh, thank you. I'd have to look.

40:45 So if you look for the best example of this is Dr. Robert C. Jones. So if you look for that And over time, we walk away from each other. Yeah, so I always tell them, I'm like, lack of days every man weighed 120 pounds you know like people were tiny you know you go back to like It's called the Dragon Man. How do you say it? It's really good. The dragon man is a specimen represented a human group that lived in East Asia at least 146,000 years ago.

44:53 that's not on its way to becoming Homo sapiens, could take a punch. look at uh the the bones of i think the dragon man is on where is it um dragon man is on the far left Yeah, skull is- Yeah, look at the fucking brown bone. But that's where the game theory but if because if supermarkets do exist and they do you know And this was one of the things that really changed.

47:40 you saw an increase in hunting license sold a 5.4% increase in Since the 1980s. Somebody gave me that. I mean, you just can picture somebody sitting in the dirt, chipping away at this. Significantly, the number of getting licenses for the first time in at least five years, Hunting. the most significant, whether it's Meat Eater, yours, mine, Dudley's. There's a lot of great,

51:02 You're hot on Beto. I don't think it's that a certain subset individuals are buying Quickly. Did friends ask to borrow guns? uneducated but i think they would probably admit that when shit when shit hits the fan and you're in the middle of the fucking collapse Look at this. understand the feeling of not even not even the internal feeling of like i'm taken care of if

53:49 core they are to who I am. Not only that, like if you were in a situation where you needed one Right. this. That he's in the middle of a You don't point a gun at people unless you're trying to shoot them. the entire NRA gun safety And you don't know because the action is closed whether he's got a round in the chamber. Yeah. playing a game, right? He's trying to win. He's trying to put that kid in jail and he's playing

57:14 And then, oh, by the way, our corporate overlords, the aristocrats, are having record profit that no one's talking about. You know heavily left-leaning people like Anna Kasparian who is you know in the Young Turks When you look at the people that attacked Rittenhouse I mean, he's showing up in a place where I guess his grandparents had a business, and

59:16 Yeah, different stuff that unrelated to the trial. the gun away from him and he shot the guy guy. Yeah, it's all on video. And it's like, why the feeling to paint, you know, to attach him to a narrative? I'm not going to inhale too much because I'll go off the fucking rails. Is that what it says? Yeah. Me too. you don't know the hardship that some folks go through.

1:01:27 You need discipline. In the pro-gun thing. He's 17. Yes. And in the second amendment world, the death of skepticism is a problem. Like you should be And you should be able to see when, and like I said, I always take it back to being able to go into the dingo den with the vegans and ask them, who are you? When I went hunting with Rinella, I had reached a point where I was like,

1:03:55 And there was this celebration of federal indictments. as people that don't understand kind of the society that they live in and function in. That's what I'm saying. It carries out in this, I know. something because you're not even sure that they're there when i do ads and they say my Yes, he seems like a fun guy then big animal rights guy. Is he? Oh yeah. That's okay. He seems like

1:07:19 But it seems like And so long story, this is a very I'm just going straight whiskey now. 30 Seconds to Mars and Jared Leto have a cult on their island. You got to do it in a place where people feel like they're literally on an island, so they're I wish I could hang out with those people and not have anybody be weird with me. He's on an island. After Epstein, islands

1:09:01 Oh, yeah. Mirko Krokop, Matt Hughes, one of the all-time great welterweight champions and whatnot. Well, you know, he lives in the Motherland. me, that where you sit in a Just waiting on somebody. You live in Bozeman. People take school off on opening day. It's like if someone invented baseball today, people would be like, get the fuck out of here.

1:11:23 That's right. Former NFL players. You saw that guy at Dunkin' Donuts and he was just like, like up here above the clouds years ago whenever they came here dudes are so big they're so big they're big There's guys that are too big. A big giant wrestler who knocked people dead. It was very difficult to make. But just show you what this dude looks like this guy Tom Erickson these photos of him

1:14:14 This guy was gigantic. Oh, this is a video game. See if you can find that one. He was such a good wrestler, too. What a shot. gets a grip on you his full mount behind his head I don't know what they got paid. with his actual fingers guys, but there's a few of these guys with fighters, it's like, So you can only compete at his level for a certain amount of years.

1:17:33 I always think when I go to an NFL game or I go to a UFC or I go somewhere, In terms of risking your physical health and playing this super complex game. You see these changes and these shifts. be probably cheap on my part. We'll go back to your grizzly story. That's a real thing. Big Tom? I've only seen one run across the street and they were small like i saw like a maybe

1:20:31 And we're armed, okay? I was sharing this space. 30 yards through the windshield, clear as day. 30 yards on the truck. It's all muscle tissue. But it takes it back. what you're describing is a big mature Tom. Length, body, kind of sway in the belly. day period. I want to say, no, like a mountain lion will, they need about, thing right he's living his life he's a more aggressive tom or or he's surplus what they

1:24:24 mile away roughly sometimes he is, and getting a map of what reality is. But we look at it through this lens. If you looked at it So if nothing kills the mountain lions, then you have less deer. Is attacking She scares the mountain lion And then two more And we have to trust these wildlife biologists that have done these assessments recently passed away. Wonderful man. He, him and I talked a lot about this idea of how do you

1:28:16 he calls a predator pit when when a a group of wolves a pack of wolves takes over an area they that wolves are a blight on the landscape. They should be controlled. And he brought it back a little bit. And he said, you know, I'm for intelligent intervention. And if people can How do they work together? The cannibalism aspect of bears can't be ignored because most people don't understand it.

1:30:24 I imagine there's a mixture, but you don't know. Yeah, I mean, yes. And you can't hunt them. You can't hunt And they often run afoul of HSUS, Humane Society of the United States. is the public trust doctrine. It's not owned by any fucking buddy. laws and legislation based on science and wildlife biology. This Pittman-Robertson was interesting because

1:33:45 So many gun nuts. America is kind of in the throes of the Great Depression. Imagine your name is Ding Darling That's only a name that could have happened in the 1930s My name's Joe. I was Ding Darling. So he was a boring name. No, he's got a real name. Darling. I've been very fortunate to never Yeah, yeah. His name was Chris when I met him. Which is fine, right?

1:36:19 named me Julius, I'd be like, There he is. What is it? old time. Ding Darling. Remember the Snoop? Like gay was like this fun thing. He was the editor of his college yearbook He did a lot. We've been doing this for years, me and Joe. It's only, yeah. what conservation Continue, sir. 2,000 people come. Mallard duck, elk, deer, everything you see a lot of, turkeys, all of it.

1:39:54 It's like Absalom or Absalom somewhere. Duck stamps. And Keith Pittman, I believe, was from Nevada. People were not even people back then. Anyway, those are the two guys. I pay for it, the public benefits. So now it's 1936. and one of those things was to pay for it. And they decided that we're going to create this bill and take a current Let's pass this shit on like today.

1:42:39 Yes. And it's the tax on the manufacturer. This generates $177 and $324 million a year in PR money, which means Pittman-Robertson money. Not for wildlife, right? Very, very few. And then talk about... Yeah, and the whiskey. But explain. were missing during the whole I'm not sure if it was called that back then, but that's what it's In the 70s, we would then

1:46:11 And imagine if- There you go. And if you have to pay a little more, but you know that that money is going to a good cause and that everybody feels good about the transaction. It is. But look at it that way. Whenever you can use it. you fuckers drank I'm not saying I'm above it. Jamie's never said buttress. Now back to the story. paid for by the manufacturers. It does not show up on a receipt. You do not see it when you

1:49:50 They have this distorted perception of what it means to want to be engaged in that world. There's not a fucking single group of humans that are 100% pure. Right. One of the reasons why I abandoned California, now like why wait I go you're right why wait like everything that matters is right here right you You also feel like, wow, it's amazing that you can just buy a lighter.

1:52:45 cultural thing. They don't even realize they're doing it. conscientious, intelligent friends Chappelle smokes like a fucking chimney on stage. That he smokes, though. Exactly. This thing fell apart on me. A motive. That is amazing hunters. And they take that equation and they give the money to the state. The beautiful thing that we know that the American System of Conservation Funding, which includes Pittman-Robertson,

1:55:55 We don't own these animals. For sure. hunters and fishermen and people in the Pandemic. That's a whole another thing. right? That did really happen. Pandemic. What? Oh, how dare you? I don't like it because it's so obviously left wing those monologues fan of it, and then it started to turn to something. No, no. it's trying to normalize these ideas that we should

1:59:17 But at least John Stewart. becomes as popular as he is. Kyle Kalinske. These are people that are skeptics. It sets it up, and then the cult grows inside that little fence, and it takes root. slamming into that that's not a place to grow but it's for them it's not enough disruption We all want to have fun with our friends. Yeah, and that goes right back to public.

2:02:14 He's a comic. But if you agree with the First Amendment, like you want him to have his point of view. and he may challenge me on hunting one day that would be fun but if you agree with the first amendment like you want him to have his point of view and you really do and There's weird, you know, there's weird like decisions people make. And then you try to figure out your way through the mess.

2:03:33 November 16th at 3.47 p.m. Central Time has figured it out. We're going to get to that fucking story. What the fuck did that guy just try to explain the end of the Sopranos recently? I, I'll say this. They go out. A FUD. I love him. Yes. Yes. Hopefully on right now. from an armed invader. We're all together. How old are you? I had a whole thing to solve our culture.

2:07:18 All right. These are things that help fund the things we love to do. We have Rocky Mountain. Kimber. how it is in hunting I mean, you could go on and on about associations that are kind of entwined and ingrained in Ducks Unlimited. I had to talk to this dude Dr. Valerius Geist, the legend of our model of conservation, we're intervening intelligently

2:10:32 and we want to use it sustainably while also affording the population. I once, when I was writing an article for about Pittman Robertson some years ago, That'd be a great side note. I'm great great grill name See, I always do this, Jamie, and I'm trying to tell the history of America. How many times? Would you be willing to push all the money you've ever earned in your life

2:12:40 And he realizes it's 17, Sauntered. Sauntering is you have a mission. A slow, relaxed manner. Oh, what's the noun? You go on a walk. Okay, so it's a noun describing a type of walk? There it is. Here I come, Joe. and you've had very smart people talk about on your show. juan carlos was down in virginia blue ridge mountains of Virginia. He wrote into my show and said,

2:16:24 I'll help hunt Carlos. Hey, you know, this is the first regional chapter of our podcast. that want to do it also want to share it with other people for nothing. That's true. Do they poison it or something like that? And when my first reaction was, probably the first couple times I came on this podcast, Pop culture wants us to be a certain way. thought out long past the place where a lot of people that are casually intervening with this

2:19:57 conservation, how to learn about our history, and then how to go find an animal, find where it lives, be a bridge built and i want to build that bridge to say that you need as much as i can explain to that lives near you. but we started a group called The Hunt in Common. guy in LA. His name is Nuri. donate their time and their money to make it to make it work to like localize mentorship to be the match.com

2:22:15 I want to be a mentee. Have you ever heard mentee? Try to make a sentence For sure. Mentees never come out Smash cut five uses. I know. Fucking out? You can't say thy. No, you're menteed by the mentor. Jamie, can you help me out with this? Do you have like a sound effects board? Fill it in. Rinshaw. It'll be up there by the time this airs. This is going to make the suspense even better.

2:25:22 So have confidence in me, people out there. No, it's not for everybody. This is what we have to understand. He wants to figure out how to make a fucking bridge so you can drive across planet Earth eats meat. Let's That's all I want. And like I said, I've never taken a new person hunting and not have them really fall in love, I would say, was some aspect of it.

2:28:06 Yeah. and I'll tell you this story and be very honest about it. But it was not at all fun for me to watch it struggle for its life. if I learn to shoot my.22 better, makes you realize who you are what you are and why you're here and like your impact on the things Go to my Instagram immediately. This whole podcast is about shit that you don't say. Yeah.

2:30:55 No coincidence. Slipper pot pie is basically a chicken soup with flat square noodles. And then there's flat, there's noodley looking things. It's a noodle. and I've never heard of it being from Ohio. Google slippery pot pie. The problem is this crazy notion that you're targeting deer with your car. Quiet Joe this as I was growing up. Why wouldn't you just call it dumplings?

2:33:53 It's hard to get a hold of. You with me, Joe? Holla. That's not pie. Who the fuck? Maybe we should start. O'Brien. Yeah. Hey Joe. I'm gonna give you an opportunity to multiply your money by Is this a pie I want you to deadlift your body weight ten times They're not crazy in Ohio. That's nonsense. Rest in peace. They're not even using the word slippery here.

2:37:12 They've been eating pine cones. for all the money in the world, You'd be like, hey, fuck you. That says ham pot pie. Because I'm not interested But it's not. and then around the corner of the spine of the ridge and stay down in the valley. I turn all the way around he does not I'm like, I don't know what this is. I don't know that I could explain kind of just the nature of a grizzly bear.

2:40:34 it's one of the best things that there is this yeah it's a different animal it It is. And I would say that you've seen it when we were hunting bait in Alberta. And we didn't even, when I was in Alberta, the one I've seen in the wild was not that big. 300? We later found the track on the road where... that bear was about two seconds away from ripping my face off.

2:42:56 Yeah. Let's be nice and say 600. And I also know in my pack is a tourniquet and all the medical supplies a man might carry. But if it keeps going up the drainage, I know where it's headed. What caliber? can get off six six shots i get off six shots six shots and i know again having been in the industry But your dad doesn't have a gun. He doesn't. He has a bow.

2:45:15 Easy. Then I am like, I should run away. I told you, I talked to the game warden. One of them in Alaska, a brown bear, I think grizzly bear, ripped off his face. How many? Give or take a few years. Pretty good. It's amazing. like good hunt them in their den that's what happens and again and that's where i where i once you've been helicoptered into the wilderness.

2:48:41 Every bush that she went by, whack! I imagine it to be. and glass and she got at some point below you. And where do grizzlies live? So in the examples of Brett Bond, who we were just talking about, he saved his father. He got it mounted full, You don't want to show it? If you want to see it. He was attacked by a bear like this is going to happen. I shoot this elk this year.

2:52:22 And I'm in the dark. Literally, this last September, probably 50 yards from where that grizzly bear Do you ever think that this is going to be it? You're in Gears of Country. can LED its way into seeing what's to my chest and my holster helps a little bit. and challenge myself against what could possibly be a big fat fucking grizzly bear right but you

2:54:36 Yes. pack it out and then butcher it at my house and then and show my son how what muscle groups are It's real. the user pays public benefits system. And I look back at that and I go, shit. I agree with you. communities. Think in the communities. And it works. between people that hunt and And then what we have to do collectively as people is abandon these groups,

2:58:57 Wolves are the only animal that work together Those bells, the wolves can heal them. Because they're so big. But it's the amount of food they have available to them changes their behavior. I want to say Ronell is. I don't remember what episode on a fog neck. And again, like you're on an island in the archipelago off the coast of alaska i was like And just murked them.

3:01:44 tell a particular thing. Well, look what's going on in the Pacific Northwest, like in British Columbia. In British Well, they don't see it. reintroduction of wolves. living in Denver or Boulder who doesn't have that relationship. Or Vancouver. Yeah, or Vancouver in This is hard to manage. The people that have these narratives in their head, How long we've been there, Jamie?

3:04:55 We'll come back. I was like, I'm trying to be strong. Where are we at, brother? We always tend to go there. Yeah, they all go that way. But's manageable. That's a manageable podcast. We always tend to go there. You're a good guy. Yeah. You put your hand up and say, hey guys, getting food should be hard. This is where people get real weird, but in turn, by supplying food to people that don't supply their own food, those people are allowed to innovate.

3:07:47 okay we need teachers hold on able to quickly, when we look holistically at what farming is, and you look at how what this world would have to be It's not good for the land. It does that. There isn't vegans and hunters. crazy infrastructure where you have to dig tunnels have a slippery squirrel pot pile throw it in your fucking face fucking pie it's a soup i'm gonna

3:10:55 That's the homage. I'm just fucking around Snoop Dogg But I think What percentage of people even buy an ammo? It's not. It's not currently. Right. there's federal and state agencies that manage this land, they manage the wildlife, Whatever it is. Let's call it that. Yeah, for sure. That would make sense. Yeah. You're asking for these taxes to be levied on the manufacturer of the goods,

3:16:01 Why add more taxes. you know, like if you buy a clock, Well, and also, yes, absolutely. Like, what if it was environmentally friendly they very much want to give back they have been hesitant to enact attacks You don't fucking make any money if there's no woods. 1980s hunting populations and access to state and federal lands. And so here's a point to be made. You don't want, as much as I love hunting, you don't want one constituency within a myriad of user groups to dominate the funding of these agencies. We need that funding to be sustainable and diverse. We need that funding to come from all kinds of different areas. as we discovered when the the hunting numbers in our population drop in millions and they recede

3:20:06 and I feel as though the backpack tax is something that should be revisited. you knew that there's a certain percentage that goes to education. And we radically upgraded the school system in this country because of that. The computer thing, it doesn't have to be 11%. to then go to. Computer, electronics, cell phone market, that's too much. That's the big problem because you're dealing with a fucking corporation that employs X

3:22:56 We had no deer. But this discussion, like no bullshit, we might have tapped into something. Anything. And it has had an impact in the example we're giving, which is an admittedly narrow example. in national forests, like the Gallatin National Forest where I live. I want that. This is a Who paid for the BP oil spill? Where does that go? Who wouldn't be?

3:26:19 Dr. Valerius Geist, intelligent intervention, man. Like, oh, look, there's a deer. I mean, when a mountain lion attacks your five-year-old, then two more show up after the cop shoots them. all of her preconceived notions of what a mountain lion is were out the window because she realized, oh, Jesus Christ, by being sensitive, kind, caring people, We got to wrap this up.

3:28:24 80 yards. Not so quickly. I'm going to take up crochet. Thank you very much.