Joe Rogan Experience #1747 — Dr. Peter A. McCullough Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Treatments and talking about a disease and have those videos taken down off of YouTube the interface between heart and kidney disease. I'm the most published person in my field in history. Now, when did things start to seem strange to you in terms of the way the information was allowed to be distributed, in terms of the way people were treating patients?

2:33 And things were going great in March. tell you, it wasn't but a few weeks in April I think it was a grip of fear. with our Italian colleagues. I said, what's going on? You guys are getting blasted in Milan. principles early on. The first collaboration and my contribution was really to get people together, precautionary principle, meaning that this is a mass casualty event. We can't wait.

6:15 And so at the time we submitted our paper, Joe, there was about 4,000 papers in the peer-reviewed since 1943. They had early on sued the federal government to release the stockpile of hydroxychloroquine. Didier Rial was working with hydroxychloroquine, and it was over the counter in France. They made Yeah, we talked about that the other day. Wasn't it just chloroquine? Was it chloroquine or

8:59 intracellular anti-infective. We use it for the prevention of malaria. No, but the timing, the question is, did it happen before or after Trump said anything? In order to have that, you cannot have effective treatments. as well as Remdesivir, the Gilead product, So the Chinese originally were collaborating with us very tightly. It's a single mechanism of action.

12:22 test, the AST and ALT, would skyrocket. Now it's become clear it's been associated with acute kidney injury. And the the lead agent. And, you know, currently we're up to 300 completed studies with hydroxychloroquine, There's no new drugs for COVID-19. hydroxychloroquine was restricted at inpatient use. So once it became restricted at inpatient use, then there was messages saying, listen, don't use it unless

15:03 having said that, they were flat on the outcomes of mortality and progression in the hospital. what drugs weren't. We didn't see any of that. Why do you think that is? analyzing any data? He goes, have you ever seen them come on TV and analyze any studies? I said, He said, no. He said they had good intentions for the nation. He says they're just incompetent. So is it possible that the demonization of

18:04 in the hospital. It wasn't randomized, but they got consent. It was very carefully done. I was a of people don't know this. There is an oral antiviral approved and used for COVID-19 and we can promote some other agenda. or if we can knock down ivermectin. They use a different combination of drugs in the sequence. Oh, absolutely. is still the leading drug used to treat COVID-19 just because of its availability,

21:46 So we're left with where we are, signals of benefit, acceptable safety. still are yet to be standardized or worked out. So it's interesting. I can live with ambiguity in the setting of a crisis. hydroxychloroquine between Harvard and a company called Surgisphere. And this never happens. that nobody knew what this company was. fairly early in the pandemic.

24:24 And then people started writing Lancet saying, listen, this didn't look right. And then people started writing Lancet There was once the discovery that the spike protein on the virus, the discovery in the medical the vaccine wasn't rolling out for another four months. And that's just for elderly people. principal investigator overall for the remachaban program. That was a Japanese product. It was an

27:11 vaccine, which is given for tuberculosis. We had noticed that regions that were vaccinated for the virus slaughter my patients. I'm not going to do it. I said, there's got to be something I could All of them. really worked. So what happened is when we came up with our treatment protocols, the protocol filling with blood clots. By the time the oxygen saturation goes down,

30:34 of the deaths could have been avoided. We know that because we carried out studies. We did one So we have three different areas showing early multidrug therapy as an outpatient works substantially. the best way to do that was to not have a protocol for treatment. before the virus ever emanated out of the lab, if you wanted to find the collusions and the

33:35 regarding a drug, hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin. And we're going to utilize all that in order to 500. We've got a million doctors in the United States. We've got half a million and recently Dr. Mark McDonald, psychiatrist from L.A. Number two, there must be a withdrawal of things taken away from people that they used to enjoy. Joe? It doesn't matter what vaccine it is. It could be ChinaVac, CoronaVac. It could be Novavax. It could be Pfizer, Moderna,

36:59 and literally checking everyone for papers. And we've opened the door to these new levels of power unless you fight for them. they're kind of lost forever. pandemic response. We should have always seen teams of doctors in Washington. I would have It's not Ebola. It's not, you know, it's not clostridium difficile. It's spread in the air. So if we use dilute betadine, and so if you take a betadine over the counter,

40:35 rooms. You have to be in contact with someone for about three hours, honestly, in a small room with patients still positive. Those who got the control, they're still all positive. And it That's actually dilute bleach. Turns out it just takes a few drops of bleach in some household We learned it late. Fox News, Laura Ingraham always tees up some comment on masks. And I just, masks are not my

43:06 Masks only filter out about three microns. I'm in close contact with people, dentists, hairdressers, people at close range wear a mask. They don't have a single original idea. Do you All these steps that you put about isolation, taking away basic freedoms, and then offering up one individual single solution to this. solution is? And a lot of people are terrified of just everyday life. And then all of a sudden,

46:43 development program was far more advanced than we ever could were normally to replace a missing protein. So for instance, I'm a cardiologist. I That's called the spike protein. very first vaccines tried in Australia actually turned everybody HIV positive. They didn't have published it in the peer-reviewed literature. You can see how it was all done. That's how the Johns

50:09 meaning someone had heart failure, advanced lung disease, kidney disease, on dialysis, got the scoreboard for positive tests. And that executive order said, all the laboratories and positive was in a sense padded. It was padded by duplicate tests. It was padded by this idea of right. The only thing we needed to do was just keep sick people at home. They were the only

52:31 And someone said, what do you mean you have a headache? trust people and we asymptomatically test everybody. But the World Health Organization, pressed the CDC and said, listen, you're saying you can get COVID twice. Show us a case. Show us eight months later, he got sick again, tested positive again, and had a much milder case of it, but still got COVID twice.

54:55 telling you right now, you can't get it twice. The criteria are, and this is the reason why the CDC the CDC methodology that was distributed to all the departments of community health I said at the very beginning, I said there's two bad outcomes. There's hospitalization and death. what is motivating all roads to lead to the vaccine? Why is everyone falling in lockstep?

58:00 motivation for All Roads to Lead to the Vaccine in this binary approach that it's only the vaccine that can help us. Well, let's be fair to the vaccines. And I think this is important to vaccine efficacy, 100 versus 10, just giving sample numbers. That looked terrific. But exposed to COVID. So the vaccine clinical trials were not a good test run of if you got exposed to

1:00:17 vaccines were doing on efficacy until much later. Now, once we had August, September, and October, for Pfizer was 77%, and Johnson & Johnson 68%. Now, that's biased, and it's loaded with a lot And the answer was there was a 59% protection against getting worse. So 1%? risk reduction, which gives a much bigger number. But what a lot of people want to know, people on

1:05:28 And then it extends out at the end of the survival curves to about a 10% absolute difference. I'm sorry, Pfizer starts out at 92% vaccine efficacy, and it drops off to 23% after six They get the least benefit of the vaccine. They're the people we worry about the most, You're talking about general comorbidity categories like diabetes, obesity, heart and lung disease,

1:08:12 damaging. And so those who are fat have a much greater depot and an ability to produce the And we can see this in patients where we see a D-dimer level that's elevated. Is that what they did right away? Do you know my patients right now, when they're coming down with COVID, we actually blast with the dilute palvidone iodine in the nose and the mouth.

1:10:55 I could have had a much milder syndrome. So that would be one way to approach it I mean, so— Every letter came back and I said, overcome your fear and let's break the grip of therapeutic nihilism and let's start treating patients to prevent hospitalization and death. Neither does the medical school here in Austin. They made it over the counter. If he was, you know, there's been doctors, there was a doctor

1:13:45 Carisivimab. And now GSK, since May, has Sotirivimab. Sotirivimab is actually antibodies working independently. And we come up with the same conclusions. You know, Pierre and I did not who is the chair of the committee, lack of government prioritization for the monoclonal And so they're produced in a method where once there's a fully humanized mouse

1:17:12 agencies are not featuring these. And let me tell you, I gave a lecture, a symposium for doctors in receive monoclonal antibodies? He goes, well, I don't know that. I said, listen, the vaccines resistant to boosters? Then maybe they'll look at these things. Because what's were before the vaccines. They're emergency use authorized. They're more impressive results.

1:20:07 Right. who can get COVID a second time. It's rare as hen's teeth if it even happens. So the point is, case of COVID-19. So, you have the characteristics, signs, and symptoms. You were sick. Paul Alexander. It's one and done, supported by 135 studies. So you think that recommendation is not based on science. It's based on the idea that they want to Can't do it. Research is neutral. As a doctor, I can never tell somebody they should take the

1:23:36 We never give any pressure, coercion, or threat of reprisal for participating in research. the United States, kids, adults, me and you, I took two last They don't lead clinical programs. The CDC is supposed to be the outbreak evaluation program. We were at 182 and there was no safety review. Remember I told you in February, I demanded, Shouldn't it be scalable? Well, hang on. Well,

1:27:13 1,200 deaths, small price to pay. I continue the thought in my mind, small price to pay for the they come in as temporary VAERS numbers and then they vet them. So all of these really happened, 18,000 deaths. There are body for an uncontrolled quantity and an uncontrolled duration of time. And because by causality. It was actually due to the vaccine. And they ascertained that 86% of the time,

1:29:57 There's one by Kirkendall and colleagues that in nursing homes, they had 100 deaths after in. We know from a paper by Meisner and colleagues before COVID that about 86%, 85% of these reports Because CMS, the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, they know when people come And that's what's in the FDA. there. COVID people are on edge, right? And so what CMS, the CMS data, basically, you know when

1:32:55 between Northwestern and Stanford, showed for the first time with a respiratory infection, Loud Talk Radio, the McCullough Report. And what Bruce told me, and he had the data, cells in the heart, the brain, damages blood vessels, causes blood clotting. We know the and it's also seen in the UDRS system in Europe. So what I've laid out for you is we've fulfilled

1:35:35 That's an enormous amount of human beings. who got the injection and nothing happened at all. the same. It's the same concept. So what do you think is causing the damage in the 1%? Those who have inherited proclivity to blood clotting are going to be the ones who are likely to going to form They're young people and they're getting myocarditis. per million, you could actually calculate the number per million per year, came out to four

1:39:02 on the EKG. Sky-high troponins. The this case with you. that this is what's attributable to that? There is a montage of deaths on the soccer field, Could they have taken a vaccine in the last six months? suspicion. The myocarditis, there's strict warnings against this. Remember, FDA has on Moderna and Pfizer warnings on myocarditis. Jessica Rose and I published in Current Problems of Cardiology a

1:41:45 lady got put on ECMO. She survived. She got 10 minutes of CPR and got put on extracorporeal And I just don't think it's – obviously, you have to be in great shape. with myocarditis? Myocarditis, again, if we're at 400 to 800 cases in the United States did biopsies and showed routine cardiac biopsies were not useful outside of trying to diagnose And very importantly, the prognosis is what you're asking about. The prognosis paper was published by Karsten Chopey, and that was in Circulation Research

1:45:54 You know, there's myocarditis that we actually don't hospitalize. Yeah. I read, we reviewed a horrible case of a 19-year-old iceberg. This is probably just the beginning of what we're going to see. And it's not mild because heart function. So they were good all the way through. They were clinically hit myocarditis. You know who I'm talking about? we talked about him on the podcast before he's he got

1:49:05 Right. segments. You actually get both segments in the vaccinated persisting in the body for a long time, So if we're doing it every six months, the spike protein will never really truly have a chance to in my practice did fine with the vaccines. Now, I don't know if they ever came in contact with shared with you the data, the vaccines do do something. They provide a modest protection

1:52:18 but we don't want any running, weightlifting, soccer. Nothing like that. Because the worry, heart failure. And then for the pleural pericardial symptoms, we use a drug called moral hazard and social contract. So people ask me all the time, Doc, I'm going to lose my job. take the vaccine and keep my job for some undeclared social contract and take some antidote?

1:54:55 the thrombogenicity, and some of the organ injury syndromes. And he said, I'm pro-vaccine. vaccine, I said, that's on you. I said, who's got the bigger moral hazard here? The bottom line is now studies. There is a recent study in the journal Lancet that has actually asked the question, Haven't you even heard that someone claims that they are science?

1:57:54 39% of this very careful case contact studies, and it's up on, Joe, it's on my call here on my slides. We had 23% of Americans in the hospital who were vaccinated, but they had COVID-19. Remember in monoclonal antibodies, would that offer you protection for a period of time from COVID? Well, there's been a randomized trial of case contacts. This is important.

2:00:22 But so what happens is doctors have taken those findings and Because not only have they made it difficult to get, And she was like, look, this is not my idea. of the time, I have to say, I've had a great experience. People got the monoclonal antibodies, and the person who came and said, listen, I just want a monoclonal antibody infusion. Go home. So is that just a poor doctor or just a bad doctor?

2:03:50 And why not give it a shot? they cross that line, and I had a sad case in Fort Worth that broke my heart, 38-year-old man. antibodies? So the doctor has the ability, once a person is hospitalized, effective. No one that I've heard of. I'd agree with that. I think there are just some unproven function, gets serious COVID. We do everything we can as an outpatient, Joe. All the drugs,

2:07:30 wow, it was that close. This is a little window of my life for the last two years. Do you know I guess I'm one of them, that I said, you know what? I'm going to take some risks. I can do this. And then to cast this judgment on them, why weren't you vaccinated? We're not going to treat guidelines. And the guidelines say, stay at home and wait until you really can't breathe anymore.

2:10:30 And you toss in the towel, you call 911, you call your daughter, you call your son, Maybe it's 90% now if we got what you got. If you And that drug is fluvoxamine. program. Steve Kirsch, by the way, has a great offer out there for your listeners. I don't know That seems like an easy $2 million. People know about it. I drive past one every day to work.

2:13:29 they put barriers up. The vaccine centers have been closed for months. When the word got out And what would promote vaccine hesitancy? safety data, we can never get to risk mitigation. We can't get a safer program unless they are solution and the ability also to suppress information, There's very few in fact. They're randomly, I mean, not randomly,

2:17:07 Can you bring up the graphic of a big public program? issues we've covered today, Joe. We go into doctors programs. We'll have a smaller program You probably have concluded already. It's Moderna. Moderna, because it's 100 micrograms wave of states triggered against the mandates. Why? Because we have the truth. And you're talking and just have a discussion on vaccine efficacy. Let's go over VAERS. Let's go over the efficacy

2:20:29 we can give it to each other over and over again. Can you imagine these false narratives? And how This was several months ago. I was in research. He's already had COVID-19. He's already paid the price. He should have free reign of the nursing establish that someone recovered from COVID and has natural immunity? tests just to make sure, asymptomatic, tested positive. And then now when we test her for

2:23:41 So the T-Detect test, go to t-detect.com, sign up, put all your information in. Not in Jamie. That dude is rock solid. I'm telling you, you should see his antibodies. I was in research. And in fact, the natural infection, It's a little early to say that, but I wanted to give you an update. we all agree that's too slow. So, COVID-19, what's fair game is called preprint, meaning that we get our

2:27:09 It's the name in the Greek alphabet. 37 are called surge mutations. So something happened in the surges when there was a lot of prevalence of disease and the virus was replicating being passed to people in these You may have had Delta. And probably because the spike protein and the receptor binding domain where it binds to the ACE2 receptor is so dysmorphic that it actually can't invade the body as much.

2:29:37 treatment. And so far, we're watching the reports carefully, but you're right. It looks like it's milder. Omicron that that actually primer drops out of the PCR pattern. It's called S gene dropout. lambda, because it's less transmissible than delta, I think it'll carve out its own ecological niche. But there would be no reason for it to supplant Delta unless it basically becomes

2:31:53 And the best way to do that is to continue to encourage people to be vaccinated and to create new vaccines, even if they're not necessarily the right thing to do? If it's about making money, the way up to the president of the United States. Since when in history do we have false talking points issued out of FDA meetings And typically half of that billion is spent on the sales force. There's an investment of billions of dollars in R&D. Do you know with the vaccines that Pfizer in its first year hit 33 billion?

2:34:08 Oh, my psoriasis cleared up. There's fair balance. top of my class. I'm Alpha Omega Alpha. You know, The doctors who are in the NOAA hot treat COVID-19 here is that we have a situation where we have people in positions of authority. The person you inflammation? Did the other CNN correspondent who's a mother, I don't care if it's one case of myocarditis.

2:37:33 And this is the only time that's ever been forced on the American people that way, where They said it was a horse dewormer. Which one is it? at the results and spin it the other way. And I had to go over it with him again, saying, no, no, illness, they're more likely to get myocarditis than take a vaccine. Okay. I can tell you, Ron Johnson, waited about two hours into the testimony after he was advising on America on

2:41:14 okay? The Chinese never called that myocarditis. They called that cardiac injury with COVID. The they're both, it's the spike protein is responsible for both of them, correct? I think it's the lipid nanoparticles. And the lipid nanoparticles are very important. seeded. The vaccine goes everywhere in the body within a matter of hours. The vaccine seeds up in

2:43:36 this conversation we're having right now would be censored. Every other online platform, Thank you for your time, for coming here, and thank you for explaining this so eloquently. Thank you.