Joe Rogan Experience #1759 — Oliver Stone Transcript

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0:00 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day And then this is approximately 30 years after that. it's a demarcation point. and I just think we have to pay attention Not one. Kennedy was the last one who was trying to curb it. stronger, more money, more paranoid, less trust, in every which way. Yeah. Trevor Burrus North Korea.

4:30 I've done Ukraine. although they were depleted. But it was really – think about life before 1945. He had a vision for post-World War II, which is beautiful. Speaking of this idea that the United States is the biggest bully, have you seen this video that was recently released from China where a Chinese representative is talking about Julian Assange?

7:19 The Assange case is a very typical of what happens when the state becomes scared of its position. but he's a hated individual. in the neighborhood But we have to modify our behavior to behave in a humane way with people and We call it democracy, although a lot of people question the democracy inside this country. because they don't have long election periods.

10:15 Yes. United States. But it's available in foreign countries. It's in about 15 foreign countries. and to, without a doubt, remove any evidence to the contrary. He avoided war twice in Cuba. They got used to it in the 1950s that the but he was shocked at what happened. And he took full responsibility for the debacle. situation there where he really earned his, he was in the Navy, PT boat.

13:50 He didn't go in. Violated the concept of America as a sovereign country. That's what the reason the Pentagon wanted the war then. They wanted to wipe out the Soviet Union. But in the 1962 period, it was possible in their minds to win. they had plans for China off of Okinawa. And it's been told to some degree, but I don't think people understand the passion of what was happening in that moment.

17:00 He's a weak sister. would you go to war in Vietnam? To defend what? To defend the United States from Vietnam? Do you want some coffee? And that was not the right reading of the Soviets. our children, our mortality, the very air we breathe, we have in common with the Soviet Union, which took so many casualties in World War II. and they came back to this country.

20:32 When Eisenhower had that speech about warning about the military industrial complex? Kennedy was shocked when he came into office. true. So in other words, Kennedy ran on a platform of being a coal warrior. He had to be. He couldn't They were scared. However, he did have a very tough election coming up in 64 with Barry Goldwater from the conservative side growing in power.

23:03 who were more of his thinking than the Pentagon thinking. Not having real access to what the actual data is. Berlin was right away. He didn't even know that we'd participated in the Patrice Lumumba coup in the Congo. No one told him for three weeks. losing. And he made that very clear. And that's in the film too, because we found a declassified file from the sec def meeting

26:24 Serious withdrawal. It's clear as bell because McNamara not only wrote it up after my movie came out, he wrote a book called, You think he knew that they were going to try to assassinate him? Can you just give us a brief outline of those? He'd been in Japan at an airbase. He had expressed his dissatisfaction. Another airbase, Vallee was his name, he was also stopped but he disappears. Don't ask me

29:25 He said, how come there's no black agents here protecting me? I mean, Sherlock Holmes would love it. students against Castro. There was a lot of anti-Castro anti-Castro protests a lot of it was anti-Kennedy hatred for him. Well, it's so crazy to read. Well, obviously, people who are talking about 2001 would point to Northwoods as a father, the grandfather of this operation, because it required, among other things, plan to invade Cuba.

32:15 They found so much. There'd be sabotage operations in the United States. It would be blamed on Cuba, from Cubans who hated him. Oswald is soaked in them. They started the student movement against Castro, and they started the Fair Play for Cuban groups to assassinate Castro using mob figures. And this whole thing started to stir That's another story.

36:18 anything. Although the CIA, after the assassination, made a best effort to plant them as assassination people. And the Assassination Records Review Board gets the IG report finally open. At the same time, he wanted to save his Alliance for Progress. just trying to say, on Cuba, Kennedy had to give the notion that he was doing something the whole Meanwhile, the CIA is doing its own thing

39:15 That's why Kennedy wanted his alliance for progress. aware of this before he got into office was this so this is probably very shocked And if they had done it, it would have looked like America's being the bully all over again. The more he found out about it. And that was a rough year. the major domo there. McCone, he appoints McCone, John McCone, who's an establishment guy, to run the CIA.

41:51 And by the way, he's the guy we need files on, you know, a lot of files. He's another one of these operatives who knows a lot, who's never really pushed. He was questioned finally by the church committee. thorough. It's amazing. There are a lot of nutcases, too, out there, but those the truth about this assassination, I would say from the beginning, there was, yes, where you have a shot from the rear and

43:42 all these various people that were involved. It's so confusing. There's been no attempt by government to follow up on this at all. They dismissed, From the recording? First of all, the establishment of the magic bullet was one of the most preposterous things that the United States public has ever accepted. The FBI lied and we proved it in the film.

45:51 It was probably four or five shots. You know, the guy didn't behave like he was proud of what he had done. It was a whole other story going on. a parade route. You'd have to clear out those type of people. Secret Service is very aware of Dip him in the Cuban poison. And he said to the Warren Commission guys, he said, He read that report and he told Watson, according to Watson, he said, I now believe the CIA was probably involved in the assassination. That's what he said. Wow. In 67, when he read the report. Wow. It comes out at the church committee,

49:57 But think about that. Just think about the implications of that. Johnson is moving towards Everywhere you look, all over the world, Ukraine, threat inflation. awesome don't worry about Kennedy had a terrific relationship for the first time We got rid of Sukarno. He was moved aside and he ran Indonesia for the next 30, 40 years until conspiratorial. You think so? I do, but there may be there that I don't know about. But we know that

53:01 I've had him on a couple times. During Jerry Brown was running for office. He asked me to talk and I called that Madison Square Garden Allow them to be secretive. What is positive about their so-called successes in Guatemala or Iran? I'm trying to be optimistic. See, I would form another agency, call it any need to gather intelligence about foreign operatives and dangerous countries and regimes

56:35 we have plenty of defense. I think it's always under the auspices of protecting us. And communism itself, was it really ever a threat? His problem was he didn't clean house. John Foster Dulles was Secretary of State and did a lot of harm. The CIA was a beehive of activity Mongoose dies. There was a plot, ZR Rifle, one of those plots. I should have.

1:00:15 Yeah, but that wasn't his only thought. He said, you know, they're not worth a bucket of piss or whatever it was. and we leave our people who go over there mostly in very difficult states, either suicide or in It's in their hearts. of the autopsy photos and the difference between- Well, yeah, that comes out later. Yeah. They also in the matter of the autopsy, the brain is intact and it was photographed as

1:03:42 Yeah. and this drives a stake again through the heart of it, He took an up view of the brain. hole. They told them what to do. And they were very bullying. In fact, can you imagine doing There's no desire. them know that lee harvey oswald didn't act alone no we don't know that we don't know right i mean situation that they could no longer control. That's a legitimate excuse to cover up.

1:07:00 He says, who's doing that? LeMay simply looks at him, blows smoke in his face. Kennedy because they'd had several battles. If you're in a position like LeMay, I mean, I mean, if you're in that position and you are a general and you are secretaries, women who were at the fourth floor window and they were looking at the parade. And she verified it to get down the stairs

1:09:43 in the way Nor the bullets. is there any speculation as to where that was fired from? There was. How many shots did he describe? And they had that, and it disappears. You mean about lifting the body being- Was it David Lifton? I'm not sure because they would have fixed the brain at that point. Not all not all but all shitload shitload of them. Strange stuff happened.

1:12:53 Including David Ferry, who died during the process. Could have been the Daltex. The Warren Commission changed it to more than a minute. Yeah. It was somebody on the grass, you know, for sure. Hey, listen. Many things. Right. That because of their testimony, it's pretty clear that Oswald was not on the 6-4, That Lee Harvey Oswald The distance traveled,

1:15:28 Right. He was on the second floor. Six. Six to five, five to four, four to three, three to two. He runs down the stairs and there's boxes in the way. No, no, I don't think that. Well, I don't know if he heard the shots, but certainly he— he takes him to his boarding house where he gets a pistol right because he knows something's up You don't? Forget it.

1:18:59 Ruby to do it like why Jack Ruby he expendable. They used the mob when they needed to for low-level stuff. He says, I know everything. who actually, and Oswald crossed paths with Ochsner. there's a story there's a great book called chaos by a guy named Tom O'Neill visions and and ranting and screaming like a madman and it's detailed in chaos and they're

1:21:34 You should check it out. I wonder why. who supposedly just shot the president and you don't record that? It was so – the whole thing is so amateur. But it broke down as it was going through the stages because, you know, FBI gives this to the Secret Service. That bothers me to no end. Right. and I haven't seen one critique From the coordinated effort to describe this magic bullet theory.

1:23:54 Yeah. the magic bullet was not the only bullet It's another bullet. We know about the guy at the sidewalk, Tague, who gets a fragment. He gets hospitalized. But Connolly probably was hit separately from Kennedy in the back. Right. I cannot answer. If that was, it was probably you know- The magic bullet was so pristine. It's also clear that it doesn't match the characteristics of bullets that have shattered bones.

1:26:57 Yes. Since that moment, I mean, can you really believe our American media would just walk But in the years since then, in order to make it a lot of Germans who believed in Hitler. It's true. You know, And it's a very detailed story of what happened in these last two, three years. are really checking us out. And we have a lot of information. It's in the documentary and you see

1:29:56 They won't even cover all this. at Rome Festival, and at Deauville. We sold European countries, but nothing from the US. Oh, how cute. That I had fallen for Russian disinformation. That's a great narrative these days. What a Boy, we fucking swallowed that for three or four years. Rolling Stone, when Hunter Thompson was writing for them, Rolling Stone was the shit.

1:31:55 It's a hundred percent fiction story. It doesn't, it doesn't even make sense. And the photo they This guy in rolling, the guy in Washington Post says Stone ignores Kennedy's inclinations towards George Wallace in Alabama and Mississippi, he had sent troops to Mississippi. He was But he was trying to get their support. with the chain of custody, rather, with the bullet,

1:34:13 These are smart people, but they're really turning the blind eye. because we found that there was a lot of CIA assets in the media. And the problem was that the security state had established itself. Wall Street people were going, And Kennedy was about to end that interregnum. Right. this media of ours is a joke they're in cahoahoots. I was watching TV last night in my hotel

1:36:50 You can't even have a phone call with the president of any country without it being reported, misreported often. aspect of keeping their business alive is more, that's the front line. and all of a sudden the media breaks with another story. So would maybe the rise of some independent journalists, and we're seeing that now with Breaking Points, Crystal and Sager.

1:38:32 Yes. unattractive to people that are paying attention so they look at the the trust He exposed what his enemies were doing. you think that someone represents something evil. Here's what you have to look at. This is what I'd say to my fellow left-wing people. Format that's rare in that he lets these people talk where you can't get that format on CNN or MSNBC or any of these other places where you can't talk about controversial stories that are outside of what's this pushed narrative.

1:41:27 You've entered the mainstream in your own way. I'm a huge fan of your work. Thank you very much for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just pull that sucker down. I bet you have, fella. Well, a guy who's done it as many times as you who still gets fucked up, that gives me hope. That's what's produced by the liver. Bogey. Listen, I'll give you some on the way out. I have some freshies for you.

1:43:56 and they'll wake up. He's the guy that was abducted by