Joe Rogan Experience #1762 — Josh Szeps Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Oh, my goodness. some Australian states dealt with it. We've got – there were like 1,200 new cases a day in November, which is about, I think, what it is. because a lot of people would be dying. People aren't getting hospitalized and dying off Omicron. Hospitalization and death is not an issue with this variant. If you're talking about people with massive comorbidities.

2:57 Cause that's literally what this is. This is not even like the original version. I want to know if this is true because I was reading this paper. The vaccines are effective against Omicron in preventing hospitalization and death. I don't think it's effective in that way either because it's not causing hospitalizations and deaths in the same way. Yes.

5:03 What are you, a fucking soothsayer? Because you used to live over here. two screaming babies next to you anyway? But as soon as the borders opened and the state Is that what it is out there? to see the grandparents because, to Sicily. We're going to do all this stuff. And then Omicron just starts coming. new testing. before coming here to the States

8:22 to even come here. I promise I'll isolate. And I get to this little hotel in Milan the night before I need to do the test Did you ask him? So the whole night I'm hearing, and, like, it's even getting me anxious, I open the windows of my room and turn the heater up to about 110 degrees No, I haven't. and the borders of the states have been closed like You haven't been able to go for long periods of time

11:25 And on February 5th, they're going to open up and let it in. to endure if we can just go to the beach and go out to restaurants and live normally? And they've get all the ICU beds that you can, in New York and Northern Italy and London and places like that. So it's been like a managed Well, LA has millions of illegals. They really don't know. Do they have an issue getting the supply chain out to-

14:03 It's hard to get things around. I mean, like, I kind of feel like if you could give, it's like the rest of the world had the luxury of not having, not being able to control coronavirus. then you can't get control over it anymore. And we'll willingly bring it in when we're ready to that's the conundrum that New South Wales, my state in Australia on November 1st was just like,

16:05 to find certain sources credible and certain sources non-credible. But that doesn't mean that there aren't side effects. And so, I mean, I've tried to do a the balance becomes different when you're talking about, let's say, a 15-year-old male's risk of You know that there's an increased risk of myocarditis among that age cohort from getting COVID as well, which exceeds the risk of myocarditis

18:11 Yes, that's right. myocarditis. He's just had some sort of a heart issue and apparently it's I thought you said from the vaccine. No. Again, whatever they gave Biden. You're not supposed to do it that way. dealt with issues of... And will, you know, I will absolutely, I know that there's no long-term gain in trying to cover things up or try to bullshit people. Well, especially a person like yourself that has had a career initially from the internet,

20:51 That's great. Who is that one lady who is, she's like some health minister over there, is like saying Who the fuck are you lady Like the sort of this officious go, whether they can work or not, what schools they can go to, what stores they can shop Take your medicine. Men and boys aged under 30, after this is what it says here. That's interesting. And they said it was 1% of the adverse events were reported by the VAERS system.

24:35 vaccine. My friend, his buddy is vaxxed and boosted. in North Carolina, I think. Like there are all these people, it's almost all unvaccinated people. like shit happens I think they believe, and again, this is not based on like super accurate 100% testing. No, no. Matt's buddy had. He's in the hospital. How dare they? We like to say that. Well, I think it's great in the attitude of Australians because they're kind of wild folk.

28:17 Thank God we're crooks and not Puritans. So there have been these sort of weird kind of brutalizing overreaches of some state seen like images of these concentration camps in Australia, concentration camps in Australia, these dum-dums like Tim Pool will go, like, it's a concentration camp, when there's this large facility, which was originally just sort of bungalows for workers who worked in the mining industry or something.

29:49 They've got free Wi-Fi. It doesn't get transmitted outside. for, well, he needs to be in a hotel. You think It's nonsense. What are you going to do? So Antarctica is actually- Is that real? and everything in between is like just you can fly over it for four hours Their life expectancy is low. these people, these indigenous communities don't get ravaged by coronavirus. They're also fairly vaccine hesitant. So there's been a lot of attempts to get vaccination rates up among

34:04 They're crash tackling us and vaccinating us on the ground. You got notes? Data. Can you find, he thinks that COVID is a US plot against China. and that the COVID swabs that you take So in other words, what did happen. Throw him under the bus. Look. Come on. I don't know. I mean, I don't want to throw the guy under the bus anyway. Throw him under the bus.

36:20 Outback Australian Information Wars. And so he claims to be a representative of this First Nations nation, this indigenous nation. I mean, that would probably be. Now, we can have a whole conversation about whether or not it's appropriate for, I want to hear it. Did you purchase that? This is my sixth visit to Darwin. have been so this is boring me yeah I'm not passing any I'm gonna him talk let

39:08 like go over and be like, oh, what's going on? He's like, oh, it's all part of the new world was made yeah is that does the community agreed to these yes these relocation and these quarantine concern is what I've been agitating for and what's made it a lot harder is the conversation here in on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. What kind of comparison is this?

41:37 Neither one of those guys are alt-right. where the people have to stay on their porch. It's concerning to someone who I don't think he's having conversations with anybody That's his voice on Twitter? versus with the vaccine. which is a normal inflammation of the tissue around the heart or, what did he say? Did he Yeah. Aussies are like, sweet, we closed the borders. We suppressed the virus. We're able to essentially

45:51 But no, there's videos where the guy says, is all this because I don't have a mask on? they got you on some fucking government meds i know what's going on over there buddy i am uh i'm No. No. Because they've been publicly stating that it doesn't. Right, but if it doesn't work, is it doing the right Like, you're like a child. I'm a gay myself. It's what it is. I don't want to downplay my, look, if you've got a respiratory virus that

49:27 No, I haven't seen that. But it goes right through that. Sure. You're all thin, spry looking. I put on about 30 pounds in the first year of the pandemic, and then I lost about 50 I'm just going to sit here watching TV in isolation. He was like, let's make it a game in here. yeah stay with me in my mediocrity we've always been like this this is our thing yeah i'm aspiring

51:51 come on man what the fuck is that doing it's not stopping shit i mean he explains in this the size It's in the fucking air, buddy. You can cinch that bitch down on your mug when you can't breathe. I'm listening to a fucking epidemiologist on CNN saying it. It's like you can't say that it doesn't work. He goes, the particles of COVID are so fucking small that if they're in the air in a room,

53:43 was picking up her kid at the daycare where he was waiting to pick his kid up. You're supposed to wear a mask in California. probably just find a sensible accommodation. Like if I'm on a plane, if I'm in an airport, various factors that are in the community. And I think if you're in a community that's lightened, That's like all the wacky Democrats that believe

55:31 It's my favorite new meme. no one can say when a stock will go up or down, which is all from stocks. that beat the stock market this year. I mean, they're like this keenness among the electorate to just give us someone who's not and I think this is also part of what's made the pandemic grab onto here? It happened during the pandemic. She's responding to questions and someone asked her about whether or not you should be able to trade

58:46 life. I would think so. I don't think he has other things to do. I mean, I think his whole life has better or worse than intentional corruption. so that he can make that the big guy gets a cut That was not just media, right? or Facebook or something? the BBC or something like that, knows that, you a story, an editor will be on your back about how can you verify it? How

1:02:12 But I think that's different from some of the new media outlets, which are just intentionally kind of coming at things with a particular angle. happens to get attention. can we please have a national conversation about balancing? Oh, that's right. So the anecdote I was state? And they're like, yeah, that's all right, according to her. They're all vaccinated. They've just been on a plane with one person who tested positive.

1:04:39 And then once she crosses the border, the police car just turns around and goes home. You should have done his podcast while you were in the country. Oh, that's nice. I've got a big Fiji trip planned for next December with my brother's family. I would just a massive backpack, all the smells and the authenticity. Three cocktails? So friendly and such amazing food and great people.

1:06:28 When I was there, That I've experienced? Yeah, he's great. with Brits so they're more than Aussies you crash into the rocks and there's I think that was his diagnosis. He's like, they outwardly sort of dismiss any chances that you have. high, then you clip that one off. So it's all just the same. That's definitely true. I mean, Why don't you do it?

1:09:46 we don't really do that sort of thing here. Let's go and have some fun. and COVID boosters. It's one of the weird places where poor people celebrate rich people. Who was it who said that there are no poor people in America? But meanwhile, those people celebrate these people and celebrate even the ethics that Isn't it kind of like a light skirmish? On Twitter, it's the Holocaust.

1:12:21 So good. You fucking going to worry about what assholes think of you? It also sort of fractures your attention. of like the constant sort of dopamine hit of like, I got a big, you know, Jonathan Franzen's new book. And I was showing my wife, I go, look at this. Right. I don't want it anymore. Yep. only is bad for you in terms of constantly forcing your brain to expect novelty and innovation and to

1:15:48 I mean, he looks at like, read it it's really good and talking to jonathan and getting the the sort of it's almost like he's The way China is handling it is so different than America. Like this open program Yeah, Kardashian memes. But if you look at the way China's doing it, they're doing it clearly with this idea that they want to stimulate young minds.

1:18:40 No denying that. No one would ever argue that with a fucking clear conscience. All the algorithm wants to do is to keep you there for one second longer Just allow people to search what they enjoy and find it on their own. could be something like that well that's good. But if there was no algorithm whatsoever, the argument would be that, and then show it to them over and over and over again. Yeah. You know? I mean, as you say,

1:21:37 because it's a it's a real woman like they they wrote about her like i'll read you what they A chronic ulceration developed on the tip of the finger used to adjust the amplitude dial, In a three-hour period, she came 1,500 times. I mean- to achieve a sensation that's unachievable without it we're that there really should be some sort of regulation on these these algorithms and this is also with tristan

1:24:32 We don't want people to derange their lives screw around with how your brain works. So my question is, does that, like, why isn't Instagram Right, I see. Everybody wants to buy the new phone. because then Facebook becomes How much do you think Facebook makes a year? like 5% of that or something like that. $90 billion a year. Jamie? Somewhere in that range? I'm going to say 90. 90 billion a year.

1:27:21 and it's giving me ad revenue for some Nine billion per quarter. currency which which you can actually use to buy things in that landscape they'll probably have i you play things, it's like this whole other universe, right? of an expert on Bitcoin That's right. So it's got its own currency, and inside this universe, you can earn tokens, these AXS tokens, right?

1:29:29 in the Philippines, if you're playing? I told you before, That's how much has been exchanged on the marketplace today in the last 24 hours? $4.2 million worth of what? They just got bought by the company $32,000! So it's metaverse type Maybe. Well, an Ether's worth Wow. Did it lose more money today, Yeah, it's $42,000-ish, $41,000. Like we haven't even heard of them yet.

1:32:02 Yeah, exactly. on this tiny little nothing game, existed i think he is the most powerful i'm like who would be the more powerful person It doesn't have to be a big thing. And it gets extremified. You haven't seen it? There's no precedent. and that the algorithms are kind of dragging us back and forth how does that affect our actual ability and governments being overthrown,

1:37:08 No. We go. She sees the fucking look at my eyes and I'm like, what are you talking about? grabs my knee. She squeezes my knee. Not here. Not now, darling. I go, you're talking about two public intellectuals. Joe Rogan. This was six years ago, somewhere like that. The way she said it though was so confident. It was hate speech. It was hate speech. The way she said it, though, was so confident.

1:39:24 That people want you to believe. Exactly. We're not going to permit it. Sort of literally pro-genocidal activity that's going on, Yeah, that's right. Because there would be military dictatorships in the developing world It keeps saying to, you know, whenever Zuckerberg has to testify at Congress, he's like, we employ so many people to check it and blah, blah, blah.

1:41:44 outside of Facebook. Like, you know, they don't even- The ladies button. Is that right? But he has- Worth a trillion dollars. Yeah, that's lowballing it, man. Look at him. He's the guy that runs Louis Vuitton. Of course. You didn't even write his own name. Oh, there it is. I mean, come on, son. She's hot as fuck. Look at that. He owns like- I used to be employed by him at one point in time.

1:44:55 Baseball show. It's hard for me to believe. during the depression in New Zealand. And he, his buddy, you know, had a dad who worked at a Why? What do you want to do? Run marathons? Put on those shoes, bro. Let's go. and like the the the intensity of the of the culture wars is partly because we're all trapped inside spending too much time on Twitter.

1:47:24 The true inequality in America is the inner cities. Imagine if Halliburton got contracts, no-bid contracts to fix Baltimore. We drop bombs on like we've kind of dropped economic bombs on these places like let's let's That's a small percentage of fish making up that salmon ladder. Crime and violence and also, I mean, imagine the peer pressure. You can make a lot of money.

1:49:56 publicly address that it's so frustrating because the like the let's take this plan of yours to And like it's very important to allow the people who choose to be homeless. Yeah. It's uniquely bad here in the States. And like, you're talking about Thailand, people being happy. like it was like well it was like a post-apocalyptic nightmare but like still people like like shadows

1:52:42 Right. of whatever system we've got something that's discussed on a daily basis, even though it's one of the worst parts of America. Well, yeah, exactly. We have this problem. at least 20 years You have to do a term to say what. but I'm saying, you know. He's a buddy of mine in New York. What does he do? And he was talking about, I mean, we, super, super, almost hilariously oversimplify them. And he was talking about,

1:55:44 where he's like, what is that? Thanks for having me. going to be milder. Australians are done with this is actually Omicron's normal progression. So one explanation is that there's like a great filter, which at some, whenever civilizations get that we've already overcome, monster to know where you are. So nobody's broadcasting the fact that alien civilizations

1:58:59 to probably look like in the future. That's why they can survive the radiation of deep space. Yeah. and there's leafcutter ants in my property You're going to live this empty life where you're just chasing objects. And so the other thing he talks about is like if the history of human civilization was an 800-page book, so say 160,000 years that we've been like homo sapiens sapiens with like the kinds of civilizations that well even pre pre civilizations right nomadic peoples and so on.

2:02:06 Yeah. the civilization of, you know, of human, of our species. and all this shit, Axie Infinity and little coins and your VR And I'm like, no, I'm going to call bullshit on that. What's 801? I believe? He's the I don't know if there was alien life, and if there is alien life out there that's aware of us, And we might be just about to end that and go into some virtual reality

2:05:34 and they were probably hit with some sort of an asteroid And, you know, we obviously have a planet that exists in this Goldilocks range, have done some great research on, No, that was 70,000 years ago. thumbs the point is if there's a planet out there that doesn't have that issue. And let's imagine, because I don't know what the reality is when it comes to like ancient Egypt or Mesopotamia.

2:08:02 without nuclear war, without solar flares, without Yeah, if that's the case, like if they were out there and they were watching us, they say, Hey, you know, there's only a few of these birds left. We have to do whatever we can to be able to reach out to us or We are toddlers with an hour 15 right now. or this thing that we have, these primate instincts, these animal instincts.

2:11:12 No, no, we're not going to be human. Just like we didn't, you know, we used to be a monkey about where the elephant goes. to it. So your body is actually physiologically reacting even before the psychological impression Do you even feel fear or success or pride or. If you are detached, if you are disentangled What if you could get like a little bit of that and maintain it?

2:13:43 And one of the first things they do is ramp up I done? Like I have to undo everything. I have to, you know, the YouTube people will drop the But isn't that outlook available to us right now? I mean, I'm not sure that we need to extract I mean, I think a lot of who I am You see the pie as infinitely growable. It's like a very kind of deal-making kind of thing.

2:17:07 because you and i have all the bananas sure have plenty of bananas and we're like everybody should It could go backwards. And there's one part of the culture that reveres any dissenter and anyone who sort of sticks it to the man and who questions authority. It's like they just believe anything because it's not what the mainstream believes. And I'm like, wow, 4,000 years ago,

2:20:05 And then I was like, 4,000 years? I go, that's three people ago. Yeah. Okay. and that they found these vats of wine The Greeks had a different idea about wine. add a bunch of stuff to their wine different flavors and different spices and they would also that about the religious insights being uh psychedelic as well yeah and the burning bush We're supposed to treat each other with love.

2:24:45 because you really, really deeply know it. So it's almost like a spiritual understanding or they just can't seem to get out of it. And then it all seems so preposterous. They spew out these little impurities, and these impurities all these tools and doing all these incredible things to a level of pure consciousness and connectedness with that ineffable somethingness of self-awareness.

2:27:34 Like there's this whole network of life, which is suffused with self-awareness and consciousness you know, the idea of there being a God is like, so he gets so nasty about it. And the fact that he's not who is open to the possibility of there being an infinite number of variables that we don't Exactly. Why is that even a thing? filter is that we needed these compounds.

2:30:07 That's the most fascinating, the stoned ape theory. maybe you would think that it's probably better that they made this stuff illegal and then they psychedelics get reintroduced into society while we have- Once we have the technological ability to- A lot of what's fueled these business... they've got going on in their head, which is not necessarily like, I'm going to go from A to B

2:33:04 truly incredible. Like Brian Marorescu's book and his ideas, like who knows how much of that was affected by the use of social media, So they have, you can study this concept of psychedelic drugs influencing ancient Greece It's all crazy how it all piles onto each other, dude. Lovely guy. smart because it's a kind of a prison to be that smart he literally said that when i asked him i

2:35:35 Do you know? if i should answer that question no that's fine i should allow him to absolutely uh i mean it I think the lessons What are you saying? what you don't know. Well, you don't know until you've seen it. Yeah. That was the diet. Then you can't have it. It worked for him. to all the people who weren't eating potatoes He narrates it. Those guys were amazing.

2:38:39 Yeah, yeah. Like, really, they are. One's an astronaut. He was the charlatan who would bend spoons. So he was also one of these kinds of guys. Randy wasn't on the show, but he was like the coach, essentially, behind the scenes. Boy, what a weird time. I'd rather tell you that many people are skeptical about these things. Well this is not a controlled condition. What I mean is for instance experiments What do you mean?

2:42:10 Yeah, Carson asked him to do what he claims to be able to do, That's a good question. seeing it just by moving his hand over, uh, you know, a covered batch of salt shakers, Like where you, there, to be honest, I don't know how it's done, but I think there's like The spoon thing is a different kind of metal, right? Isn't it? you're heating it up and it'll literally start to wilt.

2:43:43 But I'm not sure it's just that because I once had coffee with a supposed mentalist in New York. You see? I mean, I think, unless he carries around like a large variety of different spoons. it's not that crazy I'm gonna go take a leak How do I verify this? He's fantastic. these are tricks I can't tell you how I do it It infuriates me. out as a witch he's just like I'm just interested in this like I believe in like

2:46:37 And it's one of his books called The Demon Haunted World. They're so prescient about our current moment. due to psychedelics or artificial intelligence or virtual reality or whatever, we're not going to be a basic obligation of a rational human being. Require that the things that you do make some sense that would be articulable to somebody else, to someone who's more skeptical like me.

2:48:59 But the problem is for some people it's not silly. Yeah. to tell me that they know what happens after we die when we all know that nobody knows There is one thing we're certain of, They all have the best stories, though. I went to visit my grandpa, and he said, it's not time yet. they know that during periods of high stress, Right. happening right now, but I don't know if that's true. And you growing up in a time when there

2:52:19 Sam's show. But he's a consciousness researcher, a Brit and I read him reading his audio book who had some traumatic brain injury that scribble that scribble out forget all that has been written this is me this is like i'm like Great book. it raises all those questions that you're not actually How do you know that it forces me to think that it's fake.

2:54:44 I've watched that probably a dozen times but She's perfect. It's almost like James Randi or like Uuri geller or something like that right that's the the japanese one that stabbed Yeah, Josh is talking about where she. go get picked up by this helicopter i'm gonna go uh pretend i'm a person Intellect detached from, I mean, this is kind of what you were talking about,

2:57:48 what is she trying to experience? Like, Yeah, exactly. what has happened in your life is actually an artifact of oscar isaac's character who's embedded If they create something artificial, you would assume that if you're going to create an artificial person, they would try to program emotions into it. Yeah, you make a Buddha. Escape from all of the worldly needs and desires.

3:00:51 fostering an ability for people to think about themselves as somewhat detached from their animal They were like, I mean, they were like really at it. you're just, it's all reactive. It's like, you know, you call her a bitch. This has also been helpful during the pandemic, isolation, the barbaric genetics that we have Take your vaccines. It sounds weird, right?

3:03:17 I'd be like, oh, I'm in a simulation. That's right. I remember when the year 2000 was the future. Be careful. I really, really enjoyed it. Thanks for having me back. It's such, isn't it? Yeah. Well, listen, man, it's been great catching up with you. It was a lot of fun. I really, really enjoyed it. They're going to cancel the confetti arrival. And your radio show? The radio show for Australians is

3:04:57 Great to see you again.