Joe Rogan Experience #177 — Hamilton Morris Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. You know? Especially that, for those who don't know, write for uh for vice right for vice.com that produces a venom that's rich in all these different psychoactive peptides everlasting energy You have a very mysterious voice, and it's very interesting. So what is the effect? pathology like wow yeah in the same way that you're talking about endogenous dmt and how

3:11 I never heard that theory before. weird shit easily could happen to your body's your brain's ability to produce psychedelic His body's not producing a drug he's ingesting. Yeah, if you're urinating it. glands that you just squirt it out pretty much yeah collect it yeah at least four two on the I tell you, the secret's cat, Joe, in life. There's also apparently some quantity of bufotinine and also a bunch of other things.

5:50 I actually used to shop for it. think it really poses that much of a risk in terms of I doubt there's very many 5-MeO DMT hospitalizations compared to even things like LSD. find out what the fuck is wrong with you, kid. you wanted to perform on his level right no i i just want to go to where he is playing around Well, I've studied it in school for years.

7:57 and then also medicinal chemistry pharmacology it's all terms of you know they'd give someone like an ounce of mushrooms and put them So do you think the scientific aspects for the longest time where it was, actually enjoy doing something like that it's not the spiritual thing it's not the uh the the full because then you would know, like, what everything was.

10:28 degree of separation away from the source that's producing the material but with lsd it could be That's terrifying, right? Sit down with us. the float lab tomorrow in venice where uh crash my friend craig aka crash is uh the mad genius I've always found them interesting. the different effects of new drugs in the 60s. you know i think uh if you could just get into it for a little bit you know if you get into like a

13:25 even if it's just that it's not sexual when she's getting in there they might as well be blowing you. muscles and yet increases you know uh blood flow and yeah it breaks up scar tissue it's great that came in here. Exactly. that that's what you want. Why, Matt the cameraman? It represents an attempt. going to use and it's going to be really you're just you can't lose you're going to lose against

16:30 Who's ultimately going to be in control of it? box them up you're going to have to be able somehow the the trend is giving information are written by the pharmaceutical companies the worst way that's the worst way possible a bunch of people are willing to go to war they Do you feel like you're a part of the movement now? you know all the darlings that want to google's not back wikipedia is not back i mean entertainment

19:13 possible that it's not causing any loss you know i mean i don't know it's definitely a loss i mean I mean, I might be playing a character. But now I don't do that shit. It's hard to find good movies. I know, but that's one of the reasons. it's not new at all like it's old school what what you remember in the 80s when E.T. came out. Blair Witch Project.

21:08 Yeah. thing was it was the perfect way to watch that movie and i tried to watch it again it was fucking they could do it the baking process you know but that of course would take long the thing with Yeah. Like they say something and they go, I'm vegan. it's like mice the the the you know the area is going to be devastated unless you have some really good setup

24:00 you don't think some animals are getting jacked? Well, they're not ridiculous. You know, like, it's like... You can chop that fucking lettuce right out of the ground and it's dead. And it couldn't think and it just sat there. and what their views on eating meat are. In-N-Out's pretty fucking spectacular from any fast food, anything Like, look at Taco Bell's meat.

26:42 it's that's what people have been doing for forever. And those animals, I mean, You're talking about extremeness, though. You're talking about like the three Twitter followers or whatever that are. But, you know, the idea that Block these people. It's up in the mountains. the herd would be 200 the next year it'd be 300 there's not enough predators like unless you want

29:14 and if you're driving home at night that's what it's scary main streets are right next to my dad's But I eat meat occasionally. Yeah. Cows, it's pretty good meat. extinct not necessarily but definitely if i lived in the sunder bands i say leave cats alone what There's probably like in their instinct that they would do that. Hamilton Morris, this is a ridiculous show I brought you on to.

32:08 What was it like when you Yeah, and that was really dies of an MDMA overdose, that he is somehow responsible for it, Go have a party this weekend. Yeah, I've read that they've made great strides with people as well It would really help a lot. Are you trying to get high? and seriously about positive effects of them and mushrooms? Yeah. because of the internet I don't think there is necessarily a middle America

36:19 you're barely getting into it you just go on cnn.com and check things and what's the weather My mom libraries. Yeah, but then there's all these subscription-only services that are too expensive for people that are individuals to use. of feel like a cottony feel or you know i use a kindle i use a kindle right i mean i do have one I haven't smelled books before, yeah.

38:04 It's cool. It was the only way to buy it. It was used It's like The End of the Road or something like that. Yeah, that's the idea, looking for some way to disprove it or dismiss it or make it look ridiculous in the public eye whoa that's awesome might have been some reference to the acacia bush, which is a very high DMT content. I wrote that. Yeah.

41:25 Is it Ethiopia? And they have this area but I don't want anybody to disprove it. which shows the plane, the dotted line. It's America's oldest brewery, and it's in Pennsylvania. yin lang decided to come to ohio uh the first week sold out the entire like like i like sam adams is it like I like Sam Adams They have different kinds If you ever get the chance

44:12 That's the beer right there. I'm just saying. What about them? Is anybody else allowed to use Yeah. What's your goal? he's got videos of it where through the all the water though the whole thing is rippling while they're doing this. It's really pretty wild. That's got to feel nutty. It does. like it would work that way if you really get someone really knew what they were doing to design

47:53 all that comes through is the actual image you can't see the outline of the to go in and just chill on my own but i think it's fascinating i mean i'm not opposed to trying it yeah if you could really get it to the point where it becomes a hologram And you get to watch a movie. you're going to have options. like, what is it, like, Medal of Honor How long is it before they can project that into your head?

50:38 to lock your consciousness onto that alternate reality, And things like, you know, Right. picture yeah it took a little time right yeah you couldn't just move around. It wasn't like instant. Think about that was only 200 years ago. and then one of the kids would fart and be like, It's usually just a maid. It's like, look, and you can see this ectoplasma enters the room.

53:01 Shut up. Huge corporation this guy had, and then he retired. I think more likely he's fucking your mom. He's going along with her. spray that fertilizer on? Is that what you're talking about? please tell me what's the fucking He only sold maybe 50 of them. I don't think so. And it does exist. And you get radon poisoning, Did they find something new?

56:27 and then everybody started chasing it. things that you've talked about are not legal you know different psychoactive substances like when And a lot of them never had any real popularity in the first place. Could you imagine? I think a lot of it is all the other shit they put in them version of that tobacco and that the 599 different additives that the food and drug

58:54 But there's also the beta carboleins in tobacco that may give it an additional addictive component because they may improve mood. You find out they have 599 six-membered ring with the nitrogen in it that um that is just smells really bad whoa and you When apple pie comes out of the oven and you smell apple pie, but they're probably making it that make the smell.

1:00:53 599 chemicals. I mean, you understand that field. like there's 599 chemicals but there's i Natural spirits. My roommate smokes them and is just a major phlegm producer. Have you ever seen the wonderful whites of West Virginia? I've always been the sexy one in the family That's what she sounds like. just always getting arrested it's just wild man it's so crazy to watch it's really really fun

1:03:57 Mitt Romney, man. The guy's like 80 pounds, man. Would you put me in jail if you became president? It's so depressing. It makes me sick. I have tried it and it makes me throw up. How are you? All right, well, this is going to be... Why not? fucked up man he's just can't move his body he's in a goddamn wheelchair and That Hank, you can just walk away

1:07:37 I don't know why, man. And, you know, one person dies after smoking salvia, the guy Brett Chidester. that's the way it always is it's's always one person that there's like that act idea that was written in the news but then when i was in holland recently working on this new Oh, God. So she could have just been depressed. through it and you should be able to make an educated

1:10:19 So why aren't there centers set up? It also has to do with fashion and science and medicine. Yeah, I recall hearing a McKenna interview where he was talking about that where psilocybin occasions long-lasting mystical experiences when you look at a nootropic, There's no single benefit that can be quantified. That's funny that you said that because there was something I was reading just a couple

1:13:45 there may be all kinds of things we can't, It makes the best clothes. It seems strange. you can eat my oil my oil is really good for you. beyond just being vessels for carrying these psychoactive drugs. You know, I think Paul because the mushroom mycelium is able to break down the aromatic hydrocarbons in the oil. waste, because you can use the mushrooms to bioaccumulate radioactive fallout, and then

1:16:56 But then once you get the mushrooms to eat it, Yeah, but at least you're concentrating it. using like this super powerful fire to boil water yeah you know i mean it sounds ridiculous i mean By the time that shit's done, what are people going to be like We're going to be assimilated with the machine. I do think about it, I just don't Or is it about the

1:19:21 exist. Yeah, he And I think that that's a well-informed, intelligent view. that we can observe on this earth, We lock them up in tanks. we regularly enslave them People that love dolphins keep them in tanks. We know they have dialects, and they have crazy societal rules. Dolphins have a huge attachment to their family and their loved The same animal.

1:22:15 and the chimps had machine guns and tanks, We would never allow that. Imagine if chimps out you fucking dummy they would take your iphone whoa check you out look what you did did you We prepared this for you. It was kind of cool. and there's obvious bad guys and good guys. that is truly alien. We're only looking for with consciousness? Yeah yeah that's always been

1:25:00 happens um there was like a lake i think it's in nevada that had extremely extremely high You're so funny. don't feed on heavy metal but they feed at the bottom of the ocean and that's where a lot of uh Like if you constantly ate a little bit of turquoise every day. No, I do. all the psychedelic substances on Earth, then ethylamines i've known and loved and tryptamines i've known and loved and there's

1:27:24 I love that interview that you had with the man, because I Just hundreds. Yeah, how many has he documented? Yeah. to talk to that guy. It was really cool. entire methodology is one that's not followed anymore it's like it seems cocaine or... How does that work with kids where it makes them, you know, kids who are really rowdy, like in the wonderful whites of west virginia the wild and wonderful whites down they snort it yeah like in uh like in the wonderful whites of west virginia

1:30:31 They're like a different breed of human being. about hunting his name's steve ranella he was on the last podcast and he was telling us about he It's hard to get gas out there. Yeah, that sucks all night. Like first they put the A's on, then the B's. didn't they kick kevin smith off yeah how big were these people pretty big kevin smith well the the They need a rape whistle for that.

1:33:17 There should be a whistle for that or something. There would be a guy that was the fat man. it's been a bunch of people they had to cut their fucking house open so they could pull them out So it's like that's just a short amount when it comes to that. difficult for it to break down and that's why they feed it to cows and shit and get them fattened up

1:35:12 She went from being kind of chubby to like really hot. It just totally short circuited her that's been the story with almost every stimulant they've used No, the stimulants do work. Yeah, what is all that stuff? it's amazing that that's one of the number one concerns that people have getting rid of fat It's a fucking terrible conversation. and you worry,

1:37:50 of it but he's he was really analytical about his comedy i just think he was also like a guy who going to come out, just fly with it. do 15 shots and you're like, what the fuck can I say? But other than that, what the fuck else can you do? supplement not all of them have hepatotoxicity The fat soluble ones are like vitamin E, um, potentially vitamin A as well.

1:40:34 Is that really true? it's just just lingering in your cell it's not doing anything for you unless it's in the central I don't think it's true. I studied Kundalini yoga for a while. That's awesome. But I don't really, I never achieved any profound state of altered consciousness. and she claimed that when she did it for long periods of time because she did it so much

1:43:15 You're like, oh yeah, I had one in that too. that's extremely exhausting and then your all of your muscles start to vibrate like I was on there certainly are drugs that are more friendly than others. and look as if they had died and I'm just thinking all the chemicals that Doug throws into his body, did make it man i'm just i'm okay man make it make it dude so what were you saying about that

1:46:18 reactions but every even if you ingest the same substance over and over and over again you really almost impossible to record any of it yeah you know i mean to say that you know that experience It's not like you can go on a vacation to DMT land. gives you some greater understanding of what it is necessarily. Crystal Cole. He's rich as fuck, or it's all X's fault, or Y's fault.

1:49:15 talking about what happened with certainty. What a crazy girl. I don't even care about that. and some other dude. who whitey bulger is yes you know that story that yeah i'm from massachusetts that's right you're Yeah. And the same thing happened in South Africa with methacrylam, with quaaludes. Yeah, as a crowd control. I had a bit I did about They did?

1:52:02 as an improvement because it's a non-lethal incapacitating agent. the movie jacob's ladder is about yeah really yeah so they really were trying to make lsd and That was the large part of MKUltra. Trial and error by, like, Nixon's people. The scariest thing that I ever heard just unbelievable i don't know if you're familiar with the book acid dreams we had they did every

1:54:54 attempts to weaponize LSD Is that true? because you can't even get acid to work in bread like that, i mean you could spray bread with lsd yeah it was just it was an interesting argument when i when i did you finish the mission with the they would have to know whether or not there's something Right, and apparently they were That's an amazing story. Would you like a drink, honey? He's like, yeah, just a Jack and Coke

1:57:59 So this is what I had read, is that they'd switched to dosing people when they ran out of volunteers. It's really terrifying to think that they actually did do that. You believe it't it? Yeah, it was quite a while ago. It's really terrifying army. They're just wandering around. Do you support the theory that that was the cause of the Salem witch trials and all that

1:59:18 Vaginally distributing with a pole? yeah they thought it could have been responsible for people Apparently, have you never heard of That was the reason that LSD was discovered, like drugs to reduce fatigue, I don't know. Right. Wow. That's the story of Viagra. It's probably a drug to stop them bitching. but that happens all the time in medical research they'll be trying to create one thing right

2:01:41 about clearly What the fuck is going on? interpretation of the phenomena because it just is not necessary and the same reason that i don't see ghosts is in the basement watching shit with night vision yeah that could be the case too I think other dimensions of yourself, certainly. it's all an imaginatory thing. talking about it as if it's a religious definite. This is what happens, this is what happens.

2:05:27 The interaction is beautiful. talking about anything in the first place so i'm just trying to skate by with the limited knowledge I have, another intelligence out there there's some sort of a thing that you can tune into, some sort of a... I mean, Shulgin, both Shulgin and Timothy Leary talked about this idea. access i think that this is actually a scientologist idea but i think that there's some truth to the

2:08:00 What has he been doing? and you'll remember several experiences you might have had with that person. remember everything yeah she has an insane memory. It's very much the size of a normal head. It doesn't sound like of those sorts of uh, about potentially using psychedelics as cognitive enhancers. some of it's a little wonky yeah a lot of it is but that's but so much fun yeah it's good it's all

2:10:38 There's nothing bad about that. The science, even though it was published in a prestigious journal at the time, and so his uh his joke was that maybe being stoned you see the world better than it really is or even know that you could blast out for a while it's the same thing with salvia people didn't I'm so bland. Yeah. Are there other ones besides?

2:14:04 Yeah. Maybe mushrooms. novelty theory. look any more bored. Again, But then when you also factor in the enormity of the universe, that something has to actually be right there to talk to you. That's the only way they get here. I believe, I forget whose idea that was, but there was a, god damn it. He didn't think it was going to come here in metal ships.

2:17:25 of information that like literally exists that you can just tune into and this is where creativity It's almost like taking account to, it's almost like a crude way of explaining why we don't understand creativity And that the human body and its managing its consciousness We can't create. and place it in some kind of intangible realm Sure, and that's not to say that it doesn't help people in the same way that religion,

2:20:35 they can wind up in a cult you give them a happy religion they'll just live 70 What the fuck is really going on? i've ever come across as far as altered states of consciousness. You're a hard 24, kid. That's fascinating, man. it is you got a problem some guy's a good worker right i, because you've got a problem if some guy's a good worker. Right, I think it requires...

2:23:20 say I'm having trouble working and may may be depressed, I may have ADHD, their own realities at the same time and that you can have you know you can all tune into a good would create that in their own imagination for their for themselves so it's not it's not that Cautiously. Yes, I have. that it's very difficult to say what, if you're drinking ayahuasca and suddenly your heart starts beating fast,

2:26:49 My legs would not work. Yeah, you're silly. Yeah, my bathroom was like Tron, the original Tron. Do you have bad vision? or this certain level of being open Is that possible? I say he says it's bullshit. What do you say? I'm not fucking subscribing to it. which is what I do. really wrap their heads up that your mind puts that red in that picture. Your mind puts

2:30:20 what does it look like to you? We really don't know. There's, like, been a lot of scholarly research into the issue i asked for blue this is red you fuck they're like same shit It's totally illegal. And it's going to be amazing. Get pure Molly. Do you start off looking in trees, or do you just... their eyes glaze over or do they uh do they look to you for guys mean, it depends on what their academic background is.

2:33:00 You're an online stoner hero type dude. Yeah. It's a pastor quote. least hamilton mars only has one tweet and this is it in the realm of scientific observation luck They just doctored that shit up and made it fancy. I don't know. But it was fascinating, man. That's what it is. So they should Google it, right? Yeah. i heard it's dead i heard the the bill is dead as it stands but they're going to try to rework it

2:36:16 They don't have to have a warrant. You don't have to say anything on air. It's really underappreciated. It's not that expensive. They last click on the alpha brain logo enter in the code name rogan you get 10 off thank you hamilton That's the simplest way. January 27th that's going to be fun as fuck All right, folks. I've never been more out of it doing a podcast ever.

2:38:58 So we'll see you guys next week. and then right after that we have an Ice House Chronicles. All of our friends are in town. And then the podcast, Ice House Chronicles, you can watch it here on Ustream.tv. Oh, and Brad Williams. Hamilton, smile.