Joe Rogan Experience #1772 — Randall Carlson Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. I'm happy. Well, you know, Joe, I drove a thousand miles to get here. That's how much I'm- Well, we were going to go to see Hall's Cave, which is a – Yeah, Hall's Cave is near here, and this was a site that has extinct megafauna remains in it, but then when the COVID hit, they got worried about letting people in there, But while I'm out here, we are going to check out a few things.

3:30 When you're referring to the Younger Dryas, you're referring to the Younger Dryas impact theory. Okay. The dating of it, the Younger Dryas itself is about a 1,300-year interval. tilt of the Earth's axis, and so on, brings about gradual warming and gradual cooling. And that's, you probably heard the term, the ice-free corridor. by the Clovis people coming across the Bering Land Bridge, which was exposed because of lowered

6:44 We all have COVID on the brain. God, I know. No worries. The Clovis culture Clovis. What did I say? We all have COVID on the brain. It might have been Clovid. You know, that's part of my religion now is I take an afternoon nap every day. Now, what's interesting about the Younger Dryas period is that it's almost bookmarked with two catastrophes. it has kind of been overlooked. So anyways, what's interesting about meltwater pulse 1b,

9:03 We see the domestication of are showing up between eight and 9,000 years ago. So one of the mysteries that actually began to be noticed in the early 70s was what is called the energy paradox. where it was assumed that there had been a mile, a mile and a half of ice, how long would it take to melt? 20 to 25,000 years to completely melt away. So that was the energy

13:09 that, that's when I read these papers. And I kind of thought, well, what's the possibility? Gods, he was still thinking, he had documented a tremendous amount of evidence for a catastrophe. Trinitite? So I think maybe, you know, the Tunguska event of 1908, I think maybe in 60s or 70s, they may have found glass associated with that. So that's trinitite?

16:05 vaporized. That vapor goes up into the stratosphere. It begins to circulate. As it cools, much abundant in cosmic things like asteroids, right? So you had the finding of that, you know, I think in the Greenland He'd be a great guest, by the way. The Carolina Bays, which are these unique elliptical features on the southeastern coastal plain of the United States.

18:55 So Chris Moore, you know, I had a chance to have extensive conversations with him. you will have a melting season, summer, right? Fall comes, things get cold again, melting stops, But yeah, so that was the thing when I discovered that in the late 70s is when I started thinking, Nothing wrong with great ideas on acid, ladies and gentlemen. the Wisconsin Laurentide ice sheet. The Laurentide was the big one, right? Dispersal centers,

21:45 Geologists use that, whereas historians and archaeologists tend to use BC. Right. Right. But if you're talking about something The growth and development and I love a good mystery. Thank you, Joe, for keeping me on track. Listen, you have so much information Let's see. So, like, what the hell is going on here? I have not. seems logical it seems logical yeah and you know fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe, they theorized way back, I think, in the

26:16 5,000 years. And this catastrophic scenario, we're not talking about one individual event. We're talking about if you will. And they really began proposing in the late 70s and early 80s, things like I say, Is there an estimate of how many impacts there were? Something interesting though, it's one of these coincidences that I should bring up. until I realized that he's, if you go into his dialogue, Timaeus,

30:48 And this was prior to Solon's 10-year sojourn in Egypt, right? 11,600. based on the chronology from Solon down through Drapidus, through Critias the Elder, There we go. I think it's natural. And let's see. Yeah, an external basaltic ring dike is displaced by a north-northeast-south-southwest fault system in the northeastern part of the structure. Now, you've got multiple layers like this.

34:55 What you're going to have is multiple rings that are now exposed. I like the guy without knowing him. I think he would. this. You've got this structure up here, the Terminit But what's the explanation there? if memory serves me correct. So it's been eroded. You see this whole thing here is like an erosion. The stade. It was based on the stade, which is roughly 607 feet. It's where we get the word

38:19 The last episode nine was devoted to the recap structure. She's very interested in all this kind of stuff. She came on. You know, and smart and interested in all this kind of stuff. So been proposed for Atlantis, I think there's one place that fits the majority of his details, But notice over here, it's really almost at the same latitude as Spain. Nah.

42:21 result of isostatic compensation. Now, what are you seeing there? Right. Yes. look, the thinnest crust on the earth is the mid-Atlantic ridge. And if you look at it, you'll that there are transform faults, which should show up right here. The transform faults are these They weren't living. This goes back to the 60s. as ocean floor spreading. The purpose of this report is to point out that late Pleistocene

47:00 They're fist-sized rocks, basically. So they say here, the Atlantis cruiser and great meteor seamounts rise from a broad ridger plateau, which extends from the mid-Atlantic ridge, blah, blah, blah. In other words, in the atmosphere. That's what that means. It may have been lithified under which is this. And if we look right here, you'll see, culture that had navigational abilities, something along the lines of the Minoan or the Phoenician

50:16 But if you look at this, this is, if you go right here, let's see, the position of the Gulf Stream There it is right there. we're just at the very beginnings of submarine archaeology. And how deep is Not yet, but I was thinking, Joe, that maybe you and I could see what... I get it. That guy's a wild man. He gets in a submarine and goes to the bottom of the fucking ocean.

53:31 And like Plato says, Atlantis subsided beneath the waves because of a great earthquake. Some of it. I've had a little bit of experience moving beams and things that weigh half a ton to a ton. And math. And we've seen even in recent times advanced technological cultures are going away and books are becoming hard drives yeah yeah and i'm saying do you know like if

57:20 I'm sure you saw it because I thought of you when it happened. was the big one, Indonesia, and it disgorged huge amounts of ash and fine sediment into the But also I think hypervelocity impacts will also do. That's the one over Siberia. The evidence to me suggests very strongly that it was a piece of the torrid meteor stream, Anyways, so comet Enki was probably part of a much bigger system.

1:00:59 So it crosses the stream when the stuff is coming in by Jupiter, and that's around Halloween. meteor stream. If you look at its position in the sky, where it came from, it was perfectly But it's particularly like, for example, have you ever heard of Mithraism? and they would have a vault-shaped temple with stars painted on the ceiling. since before we leave the Atlantis thing, a couple of the things there is. So now Solon is in Egypt,

1:04:31 There is a story which even you, even you, Helene, who don't know shit, youhaeton, the son of Helios, yoked to steeds of his father's So he's describing right there, you see, this whole phenomenon. Once you have modern knowledge and understanding of these things, was looking at this back in the 70s, she didn't have access to the data that we now have.

1:07:35 You know, it really represents. that's the best way to explain what happened at the end of the last ice age. A lot of the critics have tried to oversimplify it and say, well, you had just one object coming in that can't explain it, right? very low, but now you come up to an intersection, right? Now there's cars. It's a major intersection. where you may have the Earth intersecting that meteor stream

1:10:48 Yeah. just to give the impression of what we're see. 1989, asteroids. Later in that year asteroid estimates too low. Asteroid makes close said Stephen Pravdo, the NEAT project manager at Oh, my God. Yeah. So eight football fields. Near miss raises rocky questions. We're like a guy in an action movie where they're shooting at him and he never gets hit.

1:14:54 Fly by Earth. Halloween Yeah. Hundreds of times. Yeah. Right. possible that something is headed our way right now we don't even know about it oh there's no 2,000 feet wide whiz past our planet tomorrow and this is 2019. and now it's coming from around the sun, 60,000 miles per hour. Jeez. Earth space a couple of generations ago, we realize that there's all kinds of cosmic beasts

1:20:30 And because of scientific discoveries and the ability to measure, it's off the charts. Yeah. At this point, we're not. I got about six months worth. For the world. The planet lost about half of all megafaunal species during that Younger Dryas. species had managed to survive some of the earlier events may have succumbed at that point. And apparently there was some kind of social disruption and

1:24:52 And they found large populations of them that seemed to have died at the same time. Which was a mammoth that was frozen in the permafrost six-ton mammoth in 10 hours? Yeah, something happened. Yeah. However, when you see the assumption is, again, that see what we know now about the life ways of those late Ice Age peoples was that they hunted small game, they fished, they foraged.

1:28:15 the giant short-faced bear, the cave bear, on and on and on and on. well, oh, they were hunting mammoths. at, right? They were able to slaughter, and I mean, we're talking about even the megafauna of South America underwent as great a mass extinction as those in North America. So within a thousand completely unscathed. We see the Clovis culture basically disappearing at the Younger Dryas boundary.

1:31:05 bottleneck entirely. So, yeah. So dispersed survivors would mean that you have people that going to be, you know, in ecology, when you have a major environmental destruction. Which is a very small amount of time relatively for the earth. We're almost completely dependent upon these large structures. We're completely dependent And what you don't want to really be talking about too much is that there has been repeated episodes, too many to count, episodes of catastrophic climate change that we had nothing to do with.

1:34:31 Of what's really dangerous. Like if we – say if this knowledge that you're talking about right here, if this had been widely distributed say two decades ago, could there have been some methods put into place or something? Well, if we had kept up the momentum of our space program from the 60s, we could be there now. So we had basically 15 months. It took from the discovery to the point where its trajectory could

1:36:31 It's crossing the orbit of Jupiter at that precise week that Jupiter is there. If you've got enough observations, it's not that difficult. an object with booster rockets on it, if you just knock one of them slightly off course over time, it's far? So now he reached out to me several years ago. He was a test pilot, highly decorated, highly accomplished test pilot in the Air Force. up. If you put Matt Lohmeyer, Donald Trump.

1:39:22 We didn't, unless he connected. He did a couple of interviews and they canned him. He's now in private life living in Idaho. Anyways, Matt is a great guy. He's articulate. He's well-educated. He'd be a great interview. He wanted to know if I would be willing, But it seems like he's got a good point. And you need some hard-nosed, realistic individuals implementing these.

1:42:55 but that would see what he told me was that a lot of the younger base commanders were really But yeah, I think that's where he first heard you and I talking about it. He'd be a great guest. That's not, that doesn't comfort me. The other thing is, you know, U.S. government has dropped the ball for the most part. Yeah. So imagine a Tunguska-type event times 100.

1:45:46 I'm looking here. Yeah, Jamie – I don't remember what it – okay, here, Jamie will set it up for you. You don't know? Not all at once. So we were talking earlier about, you know, meltwater pulses and catastrophic melting and so on. Basalt is a lava rock that extrudes from the earth and it solidifies. You've got this, what's called Grand Coulee over here,

1:49:09 Well, sometime between 12, say, and 14,000 years ago, Yeah, about a week. your head around what 300 million cubic feet per second means. But if you were to take every single Times 10. Now, when he was writing his book, Magicians of the Gods, I took him. We're going to go right here to this feature. I know. From space and you're just doing it on a laptop.

1:53:03 And what is the conventional reason for that peak volumes are typically like only 1,000 or less. Even the big ones are only about one thousandth the volume of this. I believe, and others I think are starting to Yeah. there we go so here this would have been lake. So here, this would have been Lake Missoula, and this would have been Now, there you can see this would have been the ice dam.

1:56:37 and ended up being the recipient of the Penrose Medal in his 90s. these gigantic gravel bars and boulders and things that seemed out of place. It's called Pothole's Cataract. When the water gets so turbulent that it's doing this like a tornado. And as it does, as it pours over, it's eroding the wall of the cataract back so it's Done that way But the thing is, to do something like this, you have to have extremely deep, extremely fast-moving turbulent water and sustained for maybe, in this case, a few weeks.

2:00:28 down here. And look at this terrain. That is a terrain that has been tortured by extreme sheer forces of water. Here, it would have been about 400 feet deep. The width of this is about Do they try to come up with some other alternative explanation? Oh, yeah. thinking that there was at least maybe three episodes of catastrophic flooding imprinted in this landscape. The first

2:03:01 No? Somebody probably has ideas on it. No, you don't want to be in Wisconsin. Oh, here we go, Potholes Cooley. It's so much different. And so this was all carved by water, and this was all carved very rapidly. And because of the extreme heat and the extreme velocity. When you're looking at it from this perspective, God, it does make sense. forces unleashed on this planet that utterly dwarf anything that we humans have yet been able to do.

2:07:10 Because paleohydrologists have been looking for purely terrestrial explanations for this, right? Like, what if you didn't exist? I've read 10,000 scientific papers. of the podcast I mean it might not have even started or it might have just started so you graham yeah i met that guy yeah yeah that's right that's right yeah blame it all on graham because

2:09:44 And that something had happened. and then Dr. Robert Shock from Boston Boston University who started examining the water erosion in the Temple of the Sphinx and all of these different pieces came into play where you have undeniable evidence of an advanced civilization that's making massive complex stone structures, concentric circles, all these different structures like 11,000 plus years ago at a time where

2:10:59 They have a thing that they've been teaching. was another man who was an Egyptologist, and mocking this idea that there was an advanced and that they had to excavate this stuff What are they doing? Number one on the bucket list. And you go, okay, how the hell were they going to move this thing? And then you go all these other places like Graham has documented.

2:13:51 because it was such an aha. You know, like, aha. Oh, I see. You know, with Graham's. And it also, Yeah. history is not in any way to say, well, we just should have a free hand in doing anything or If they're not driving cars, they're not putting carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Someone of a – Yeah. quite extensively. Warming periods are usually periods of prosperity because you have an

2:18:02 be organized. They all had to be fed and housed and clothed. of the last 2,000 years. And you had population decline, you had increase of infant mortality, The climate of the medieval warm period lasted until the late 1200s, early 1300s, and then it began to shift and became cold. Trevor Burrus So the bubonic plague was a result of cold? And they're susceptible because they're malnourished because of the cold.

2:21:24 Yeah. that are in porous ground And what would cause those minimums? That being the case, yeah, the sun would now have a much more important role to play. Because, I was reading about how vulnerable we are to solar flares. Rodney Carrington? Even considering the comparatively primitive technology of the time, the magnetic effects were so substantial, the aurora normally seen seen at polar latitudes, could be seen in the

2:26:14 the impact to technology could be catastrophic. Now that would be pretty However, we can say that an extremely energetic event occurred Such an event would cause great damage to modern technology, Like outside of our galaxy. talk about Plato and you talk about Plato's description of what Atlantis must this, the landscape that indicates that it's been hit with all this water damage.

2:30:14 when it makes sense that these people were very advanced in terms of their ability to grasp If we look at the Bronze Age collapse, what's the cause there? right? There was also very large earthquakes as the ice mass is being transferred from the land back into the oceans. I mean, just imagine what you're talking about, any of those enormous asteroids that are flying by Earth,

2:32:37 like in the case of a hypervelocity impact, it allows the upwelling. About 245 million years ago. That's a wrap. I have confidence in our species. Ah, well that's optimistic. pronouns or we're going to get triggered or whatever. Look, we've got some huge things in like it's just a poor management of resources upbringing was rural Minnesota. Winters are very harsh. You worked your butt off. Everybody worked

2:37:50 You know, my grandfather, on my dad's side, he came over at 16 years old from Sweden on a cattle boat. I've done a lot of hard construction work, so I know what's involved with that. I mean, they're still around, but I think that, you know, you know, and you create resistance for people that are trying to do their own thing. And you want to like control the way people view the world and define the world and the language that they

2:39:55 to try to find new ways around this situation. It's terrible for the human organism. HowTube, yeah. And it's basically very much First Amendment, unfettered speech. It'll be curated. business. You know, I told you I built this restaurant. Yes. Restaurants been wildly organizing classes. And over those 15 years, I developed ideas that were not really that

2:43:26 stunted his growth. And on several occasions, he had strokes and he had to be taken to the hospital He was nine when he thought this up? I just, in fact, ran into one of them just a few days ago while I was in Atlanta. point, you were thought of as a young man, and you start, you were integrated now into adult society, I think we need to – one of the first things we need to do is like move away from that.

2:46:46 lumber so it all can fit together like pieces of a puzzle. Never seen the Milky Way. And we're actually just now putting up and promoting the whole concept of this idea of this school. So I did this. I had probably a hundred kids that I took out on these kinds of field trips. hung himself. And so it was just, you know, that was something when I went into this, I did not

2:50:19 That kids that are growing up in a strictly urban environment now are being deprived of that. rural environment and be exposed to nature. I mean, my boyhood growing up was hiking, camping, in eastern Tennessee as one place. I'm also looking at land in Arizona. I've got some people And we need to have like a vertical integration. So that I found this in my homeschool

2:53:47 most schools in America were the one-room schoolhouse. They come in, the Waldorf kids come in at the kindergarten age, and they'll have a teacher who stays with them all the way up until through middle school. My first year in middle school, I got bullied mercilessly. You do this all day. But it shocked me how easily I whooped his ass. kids it's just almost like an open invitation to become a bully it's also they're probably

2:58:08 I fell way behind, and I got behind a year, right? catch up. You're never going to catch up. What's the point? Right. What a waste of time. Yeah. That's exactly right. money those fucking people make? Like if you're encouraging people to become lawyers, Like, maybe a couple of my friends, but outside but outside of that like my parents didn't encourage me

3:00:59 But schools never encourage these things. Did you have any teachers though that were good? But everybody wanted to get her class because she was interesting yeah and she wasn't even that interesting you know And it was only, you know, years later that I found out Maybe next time we'll just lay off the catastrophic events and only talk about geometry.

3:03:29 Okay. How far away is that? It's about halfway know if they want to get more into your I'm having a good life. Something like that. Yeah. Because I've got a lot more to show you, man.