Joe Rogan Experience #1781 — Coleman Hughes Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. No, I wish. At least I sensed that, and I never was. I can't. and then I remember hearing about all the different surgeries he's had on his back. but your wrists loose, so it has you have to stand sideways and it has to go past your legs yeah i'm trying to find this Happy Gilmore swing. You can because the long drive thing, you have to hit it within the fairway.

3:27 It's the same kind of thing. You want to kind of hit it smooth. or throw a ball when you do bad. So, like, how do you deal with that mind game Really? And he's a fucking character. It's all deceptive. You didn't? I watch documentaries. Bobby O'Dullivan, you're a fucking bag of shite. They stand like this. And so they thought that this is probably the way to do it to like hit each other.

7:04 And it goes through their legal stories, how they got in the fight. The thing is the hitting the head. No one had left. Have you seen the video of her? she's had she's like i'm double vax i'm boosted i got the shingles vaccine you know and and she Oh, sorry. So she fractured her skull doing that. The same thing happened to her recently. Yeah, but the point is falling back like that is fucking super dangerous.

10:50 And the guy wound up doing time. So we both did the same exact action. I think it's a very interesting concept. yeah law of averages says that must have happened yeah and on the one hand we and also not anticipating consequences. you know, saying, for instance, a racial slur, directing it at someone and saying the word in You know, you'd have to throw out our whole legal system, if that were true,

14:56 that person is a violator You know, it's interesting with the N-word controversy that happened here. He says, we cannot allow the jury to hear this tape. condescending, it's racist. I'm ashamed that you made this argument, right? And, you know, regardless And I think there's been a huge sea change in what the progressive argument now is. The progressive

18:43 He's planting evidence. For no possible reason. Yeah. I think that that's very unhealthy. that people be able to think two things at once. I mean, that's just one example of it. But, And there was allegations that cops that were involved in that were also involved in the killing of Biggie. with the murder. Remember like Colors? And that's been, I think that's changed incentives, you know, almost more than any law that we pass could.

24:30 And in a country with over 300 million people, it gives us the impression that horrible things that are actually extremely rare are in fact happening all the time. if America were exactly the same, but the size of Canada, like, you know, one ninth the population, it would mean that we would have roughly one ninth the interactions between a Twitter, Instagram page rather called police posts. Go to a police post. There's one that

26:18 Do it from the beginning because otherwise it's going to fuck it all up. And as he comes close, the guy just pulls out a gun and just opens fire at point-blank range and lights this cop up. And then every time they pull a car over and they have tinted windows, they don't know. means that when a cop pulls over a suspect in America, as opposed to in almost any other nation

29:37 enemy. I don't necessarily know what it's like in Europe, but I've got to think that the polarization between cops and the perspective that people had, my parents were hippies in the 60s. And, you know, One Eric Gardner. Right. one that becomes viral that will change people's opinions one eric gardner right you know one I remember, it's fresh in my mind because I saw the OJ documentary, but there was some tape that was released of cops privately talking about black people.

32:42 the black victims of these kinds of, uh victims of these kinds of killings, right? And I picked 2015 and just listed 10 different unarmed white people that got shot by the cops and killed that year. Is this on video? And this poor guy, he's calling out for his mother. And he died. just it wouldn't have scared the cops so much if he was white. I have no doubt that that has

36:26 thought she was using her taser oh right she says she thought she was using her taser which is And one guy literally was, his face was like this. He probably can't know what's happening. and it's a lot of cops panic just thought they had the taser and pulled out a gun. Whoever the writers were studying the BPD at that time or studying Baltimore, they took his name, made it into one of the main characters.

39:58 He told a story about being a kid on a sports team and a shooting broke out and the coach would hide them because he had a kind of confidence and knowledge that he could use his body to subdue and arrest a Like you're kind of like you're not really supposed to spar full blast in a karate class. and then you get accustomed to a human being resisting with all of their might.

42:51 get beat you with a club there's they don't have the ability to control you like if i'm around a If I know this person doesn't really know how to fight ever heard of he got it in three years every police officer should be at least a purple belt in jiu-jitsu. have a real understanding of how your body moves you have like a you you have a you have a comfort

45:43 what is what is he doing with who's that he's with oh this is this is barksdale yeah this is anthony barksdale on the right there That was in Hollywood in the late 90s. And he was, you know, Carlson Gracie was the second place I ever trained at. That was in Hollywood in the late 90s. Me and my girlfriend, a couple weeks ago, we watched the Rickson Gracie documentary on YouTube.

46:59 Yeah. And still is. Very unique. Very unique. It's one of the greatest documentaries of all time. He was, and still is, very unique. and he was out there having these no rules fights very physically powerful he was unusual in that he got I mean, I remember, you know, my mom was super into Iyengar yoga. She would take And it's from this guy, Iyengar.

49:46 you know there's a little part of me that still somehow thinks it's doctored or ah so it's not just like like here if i'm gonna breathe right so like ready ready set i'll take a And you just do it over and over and over again. get in your body's like let's get the fuck out of here and you have to get past that you have to And you're resisting the cold plunge. Yeah Yeah this is the video I was talking about.

54:32 There's nothing cooler than like an Indian guru, you know, a yogi. It's so not but the people are retarded. it is but it's easy to be cynical They want everybody else to suffer. all aspects of humanity and trying to advance the way they view the world and advance their own perspectives and and Nazis. Which, as we were saying before, was the original position of the ACLU.

58:21 de-platform anybody and so a bunch of people started saying he's a Nazi. What is this guy's name? modeled on the Joe Rogan experience. February 7th conversation, the two members of the Brazilian Congress, Ayub, I hope I'm He added, if someone wants to be anti-Jewish, I think he has the right to be. been highly censored. Yeah. Right. Like Christianity was highly censored

1:01:30 Yeah. It was enough, though. It was enough that in many people's eyes that became a taboo subject really burned the last copy of that book. In those cases, you can sometimes argue censorship kind of to all kinds of ideas, no matter what. I think as a culture that we need to have this conversation Like, hold on. that certain things are wrong. I think there's also a thing that's going on in this culture

1:04:38 I did not know. complicated people just leave it alone they'd like Baltimore is Baltimore leave forms of human suffering can we find solutions to that we've ignored? And why are we accepting two people were released. There's people that have his hair samples at scenes that clearly show the hair has been pulled from someone's head. It's fucking complicated.

1:07:59 have someone that they pin the crime on. And once they decide, okay, let's go with Jorge over here. there's probably thousands and thousands of people right now And he's probably – speaking from my own personal experience, like how I do a little drunk and he's probably not... speaking and to give him their outfits give him their wizard costume or whatever the fuck it is and

1:10:28 And he has, he said over the years, he's had a lot of Arab people working for him coming from Arab countries where they've never met a Jew and have crazy ideas about Jews, like Persuasion just doesn't work. And, you know,'s, that's just not true. You know, what is true is that their ways. But I think the truth is people are changing their minds all the time in private by listening to podcasts by themselves, by watching stuff by themselves, where they don't pay a reputational price for changing their mind.

1:12:51 I don't like finding weakness in me. Thinking entity that is trying to solve as many problems as you can that are around you discard it it's very important yes I totally agree and I was reading the And I thought to myself, is Joe Rogan brash? To me, it betrayed. I hunt. And then my parents started making money and we got off of welfare and they started doing really well.

1:17:43 to defend yourself we don't live in a world where there's no guns. I think it's only one of the most frustrating things to me when I look at Redlining laws. right it's like when tucker carlson talks about know, black on black crime and the problem of homicide, you don't get the sense that he's deeply motivated to actually focus on this and rebuild these communities.

1:20:58 you know, little girls dressed up in bumblebee costumes everything it's good examples that guy who drove over that crowd of people at the Christmas And the coverage was bizarre because they were bending over backwards. For whatever their reason was, and at first they saw a guy in a in a pickup truck seeming to flee the scene. And it looked like a white guy. So basically this

1:24:10 So was the guy in the pickup truck just fleeing the scene? It's the narrative spun out of control. And then at the end of it, there was this embarrassing it seems they don't care as much. but like no person would argue for that Right. We're starting off at wildly different places in life. You're crazy. Yeah. There can be like 50 people shot in a weekend at its worst.

1:28:38 Would it be more sympathy for them you're caught with a dime bag in the hood. like, it's the same physiological effect as cocaine. But if you get arrested, I know white people have done crack, The other way it's useful is that often when we try to spend monies outside the community that want to do good and throw a bunch of money at community programs

1:31:39 Right. it actually has a much bigger chance of making a difference. that quick. Why would I do that? Because all I can do is if I lose, then I don't have anything. that's been fucked since 1910 By giving people a better path. The only thing we've ever done to a neighborhood is wreck it. And I think there's a way to do it, but it has to be done in a way like it has to be addressed nationally.

1:35:55 to fix Iraq, is going to run on everything they're doing is wrong. and you've made promises to these people that the program will be around. long terms as mayor, long terms as governor. The CCP's been running China for a long fucking time. or the Chinese government, the CCP as a whole. like it's the weirdest job ever That's nuts. It's a stupid way to handle it, but it might be the best way.

1:39:39 He understands it from his head to his toes. You know, cognitively. He was a dummy. Other people might not know, but you know and I know what we're talking about. and education. He lied about being arrested the first time those homophobic things on her blog in 2008. I think they just want to win. the 1980s, in 1988, in fact, and we called it Joe Biden night because Biden got busted plagiarizing

1:43:15 I would know your act. Wow. So if a guy like that got into office, then you're talking about a man And those are the types of people we actually want to promote. These other people were amateurs in terms of like manipulation of the him despite yourself and despite the fact that you know he's just deep down he's not a good guy. You know, that was kind of the way we looked at it. He did lie way more often and way more just like.

1:46:32 of Education to investigate you and see if you're violating civil rights laws. We have many robust gonna go investigate this hope you cooperate and the pope said oh what do you mean no don't Asians. And, um, well, to Asians, the Asians, the weird one, right? Especially with Harvard, schools do this. There's a graph. I want to say it was from The Economist magazine,

1:49:42 Malcolm Gladwell had this amazing essay, And they weren't you know our people it's a discrimination McCarthyism almost. that they're not a part of the problem. and Barry Weiss on the other side of the screen. Times talking about how questioning or pursuing the question of the lab leak is racist, the world in public schools because of their race, people let work at networks frankly like the one i'm speaking on right now who try and claim that's

1:53:34 Everything's at a handicap. I think they're going to do something and have real conversations, and hopefully the coverage and the content will elevate. that, you know, people start talking about you, People call someone like a fake progressive. They're like, oh yeah, you fake progressive. Like who's aping progressivism? Like who's pretending? Who's

1:55:50 Yeah, like public people. and he had an epiphany? Right. wing politics and left wing policies. But there is a backlash happening now and it's getting less because there were too many Asians, and they made it into a lottery instead of a test. it was before he got in. tests as racist, right? Because on average, black kids don't do as well on them as white kids.

2:00:00 and she took a test and got into Stuyvesant right and back then Stuyvesant had a They're akin to the house slaves of the past that used to get close to the masters their house enters in other words Whoa, and she tweeted that Asian community mobilized They said, you know, these people discriminate against us. getting rid of the progressive school board? How many more of these things have to happen before we realize

2:02:28 because they don't want open-minded perspectives. They don't want open-minded perspectives being outcome. And my perspective has always been that you can't have a quality of outcome unless you than everybody else. used like wilt chamberlain as the example because that was a time but you know if you think about And so people have a sense that the process is fair.

2:06:08 The equality of opportunity, if possible to achieve, would be the most noble goal. Very difficult to fix, but it's not breathing underwater. It's workable. It can be done. You're never going to fully achieve it. a lot of, a lot of people grow up in, including many of the Asian families that get their kids into the elite high how they handle things.

2:09:26 many Asian families scrimp on essentials like food, like food in order to pay for test prep. And now you're telling me they're privileged? And that's what Asian communities have. the same ideology as them will allow them Jesus Christ. with books and run the stairs hard enough. Like his father was I thought I was a lazy piece of shit. And also there's an immigrant mentality, like my friend Joey Diaz likes to call it, an immigrant mentality.

2:13:31 If it's legal, certainly. practically speaking, you can't get elected talking how I'm talking. But that is really And I think like we make it too hard for people to come here legally. And I think that to compete, driven and that's what you want to be around. You know, like, we should embrace those people because those people, they have the courage.

2:17:22 them to come over here and raise the bar and bring that vibration of vibrancy of someone who wants to excel. They're going to sap us of our resources. They like what we're doing here, which means you can't take the average foreigner from a country and expect that that's the person that's coming to America. Yeah. it is literally a nation of immigrants. The entire country is founded,

2:20:23 it betrays the ideals that the entire country was founded on. ambitious people. If you want the country to kick ass, you want more people over here that have the desire Are they woke? that can easily be persuaded to vote republican right and that have cultural values that called Slavery and Social Death. It's like this 500 page tome on slavery. And it has a database

2:24:43 Yeah, I mean, it's extraordinarily ignorant. I'm sure you saw the open markets for slavery in Libya, which is bananas because you're watching slave markets on YouTube. have captured and they force them into this sexual servitude yeah how many what is it I didn't catch the specific oh sorry there Yeah. issued by the australia-based walk free walk free foundation this is not some softened

2:27:54 history where the colonies revolted against the British in order to preserve slavery, going on that you're asking me to see slavery in an excel spreadsheet that's how trivial we've is a fear that they're, in a sense, bribing people from Central America and South America We're the one who've allowed you to come through the border, even though you're illegal and distributed you

2:30:48 They try. No, it's a documentary about Los Angeles like what would happen if there was no Mexicans in Los Angeles Yep. them around the country. And then there's also these people that think you shouldn't have to be You've got a Biden-Harris t-shirt for you. they would vote for you it's the thing it's like you ask a lot of immigrants what they think

2:34:22 like a little bit of a deep conversation has some wisdom and. And so I was, I was in the mood for it. I was like, all right, let's get, let's get deep. a really nice heart-to-heart of a conversation um and a laugh and a laugh about it yeah you know it was like the point being that bigotry and i'm not even sure she's a bigot necessarily right she you're all the problem and we're all perfect.

2:37:57 Like it's a way to say get the fuck out of here like stop being a dick like you want to drive like that Yeah. And a red light is just a suggestion. In Mexico City, that shit is normal. And the driver was laughing. and the way you drive up is by circling, not it's not a nice so there's these very steep you can't see around the corner and just you know

2:40:52 Yeah, I mean, people get accustomed to driving around a lot of people oh let me see that just shows a lot that looks really nice actually this is it's great food's deranged and barbaric and you know crazy practices of the past but i see like the pollution aspect of our society today. have like lung problems and it's just like it chops years off your life and these poor people

2:44:50 They can't breathe very good. That's amazing. Gasland, right, Jamie? You just move out of that spot. I guess what I'm saying is I feel like I encounter a lot of people that are sort of techno-utopians. Like, we'll be able to figure out anything we can think of now we will eventually make it's it's possible to do. or not we could still manipulate it the thing about technology and the

2:48:09 And when he says you're going to be able to talk without words, that replaces the function of the spinal column. Was I sad that it wasn't COVID? It just wasn't going away. right uh my coughs tend to linger a little bit for a long time. And he said, you know, it's probably just mild bronchitis. a placebo has almost no effect do you know that really yes there are meta-analysis compiling

2:51:15 I'll never forget it. I was like, I'm so high. Right. Okay, let me put it this way. It turns out we haven't done that. of human brain interfaces and it gets extremely valuable that's an invaluable skill or ability. when you're in an industry and you have that hammer everything looks like a nail so it's like That does make sense. However And I think that the next logical step

2:55:48 hands can now use them. They have those things. The logical sort of technological innovation, So we'll just seek advancement and technological innovation for whatever fucking reason. with much more than a gut feeling, but. one of those problems that we underestimate the difficulty of by orders of magnitude. Is it trillions? I'm going to say 2,999,000,000.

2:58:17 Not totally close. understand like maybe what water is yeah i don't know it's like we're at the beginning like how a graph can like approach the limit of a thing Right? But it's asymptotic progress in the sense that there's a line here to a human being, you're not talking about that long ago. being integrated into our own brain and our That's what it's going to look like.

3:02:31 Yeah, because everything's covered by black mirror every dystopian idea you have but is that guy like is he gonna do much better reproduct reproductively than like that's good then maybe you will select for the people okay, this is like one of those thought experiments that's like fun to think about, of our world becomes figuring out why they might unplug the simulation and figuring out how we can get them to not, right? Like how can we signal to the people running this simulation that we really

3:06:19 But like I say that, but then when I actually walk through the argument for it, it's kind of impossible to refute. integrated than that. Right. Consciousness itself. there's information processing going on that's saying, don't know that it's them right because the concept of reflection of reflected light is And that consciousness is one of those problems.

3:10:52 Yeah, I would love to. Follow me on Twitter, at ColdXMan, Conversations with Coleman I really enjoyed it