Joe Rogan Experience #1787 — Dakota Meyer Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience you know, we both came from two different places, did two different things, but like, my purpose is me. And it's not like the things that are around me, the things that matter. where you were only thinking about yourself and you didn't see there was any point to it all? Like, oh, everybody's just, you're just greater people, you know told you're a hero. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, Oh, everybody's just,

3:24 Like they're not going to drown with you, especially when you're not choosing to get You know, it's okay. I was living with my dad. he at this huge search I knew he would be in at eight or six, six to eight in the morning. He comes in every day. Um, I pulled over and, uh, parked right in front of the bay door and go home, that this is not an option ever again.

6:50 people who weren't going to buy in and support my bullshit you know so that moment when the gun The combat situations, right. But I think that, like, I just realized that I need to live a life. representation that I'm going to represent their sacrifices. Like's it's just it's such a um it's just not right and that was at that moment I mean, I've lost more guys since being home to suicide than I ever lost in combat.

10:03 Four times as many troops and vets it was more of the tough love. I mean, the more that mental health is accepted. I mean, look, I mean, to be honest, I mean, as men, 10, 15 years ago, um, but no, there wasn't a lot of talk about it. And, um, you know, I, the more, the more we were friends that are veterans they just have memories that they can't shake i think that uh you want to talk about the group of people that have it the worst is our first responders cops cops firefighters

12:40 But I also think that the mindset, the approach that we take on it is important as well. You have to look in the mirror, and at the point that you can take responsibility for you know, passes away. Um, I look at it as an honor, right? It it doesn't just change you but it it makes you i don't know what the in their life where they I'm sure they've seen all the youtube videos that i've seen yeah

16:17 kind of like the way, the way I'll describe it is, is cops are kind of like the dad of, Like we really can't, what are we going to do wrong, right? Right. a cop, you know, look, those guys are just, they're incredible because they could go from When you able to handle it and the factor we don't take into account scrutinized on how they do it not just scrutinized but you know if they they have to deal with their own. Yeah. And they're scrutinized on how they do it.

18:37 And I don't think it gets nearly the respect that it deserves. Hate and fear makes money. You know, I, I truly believe that look and love will go further than know what I mean? It's like, like what kind of stuff you mean? I mean, like, I don't know. Like sometimes I, you know, I'll get anxiety about, um, well, I mean, just like right now, like, And it's like, fear sells.

20:58 of plague that would just wipe everybody out. And that, I think that initial mindset that people had was very difficult to Do you know what I mean? Just getting through, I mean, if you're talking about someone who's a SEAL, just getting through buds. water yeah I mean but but don't you think that like you know the people who haven't I mean the only way

23:24 born with fear I mean I that we were born with fear. I think kids do maybe they're paying attention to how their parents handle things Could be both. it doesn't feel safe, it doesn't feel controlled. to play out all the time. Most of the time, it's very peaceful. Most of the time it's very peaceful most of the time it's fun you slap hands I love most about jujitsu is you could just take a regular person and you could transform them.

27:09 I don't roll enough, but, like, I do jujitsu. jujitsu is exactly what you're talking about. I mean, there's nothing more, more nerve wracking when you have to tap that was not where you wanted to be right how'd you get there how did i get fix it. Because now like the world just doesn't accept it. Like, it's almost like the ha ha got point in time, if you keep apologizing for the same thing, you're just getting away with apologizing.

30:22 But it seems like the difficulty of combat is way more intense and way more insane. I'm sure they're stronger because of the adversity I went to Mexico. What was in Mexico? Um, I went down and I did Ibogaine. Oh, This is the date you're going. moral moral dilemma dilemma yeah and but I mean it was all I had left and I knew Does that make sense? that I just people in my life like I I could see their faces, people in my life

34:51 And then I seen this like beautiful ball light and I went to it and in it was like my daughter's playing. I remember, like, fighting it, just, like, just realizing that all this was ego, And it just broke my ego. at like two or 3 PM on Saturday. Wow. And, um, I came out of and I felt like it made me worse, right? But the Ibogaine by itself wasn't? It was just like this tube, like, almost like a water slide, right?

38:30 There's no color here that could ever do the same. but times a million you could just feel it. And it was like so good. you don't respect your own efforts like when you you, when you look at that, you haven't finished things. better. So I just, I, you know, like I stay focused on that aspect of it, of like, what did I do wrong? of I I just always want to do more you know I always want to do more for people you know and

42:21 how to make people happy. because it's really, it's fucking nuts. And so I'd gone over the fence and another guy had come with me At some point they were related. three and a half four feet deep uh the top of it was and so I, I swam down to try to see if the windows were unlocked or were threw me her baton, so got it, the whole backseat was full of stuff. So then Eric beats the front window out. And so he did. So then

46:20 let him go I'd never find him right in the pond and yeah I helicopter landed and you know we had we had Tiffany there who was just an incredible, you know, just the EMS people aspiration out of the lungs. Right. So, um, and it's, and me, you know, the next day, myself, Eric and Jonathan, we actually had to go to the But, you know, what you don't know is you don't know how long.

48:50 I just, you just come hang out with me for a day. Yeah, he's an amazing person. There's just not that many of them in terms of, like, comparison to the regular people. People, if your friends are all gross, like you're probably going to be gross too. like you're never going to be better than, like you might, you can only go so far advanced so far. Right. Right. It's the same thing in your environment. Right. Like if, if you, you're only going to be as good as the best, but that's the most you could be is the best person around you.

51:18 and the best way to do that is, yeah, Like all of it, all of it matters. I mean, I, and that's how I judge, like, I don't say I judge people, but I, if I die today that I want my daughters to, to, to be around without need you around me. emotional charge out of resolving the problems so they create a problem and then they resolve fight they argue with each other and then they make up and they get addicted

54:35 and that that i mean for a guy that's horrible but for a woman it's worse because a woman has Most people would never do that. you know, And, you know, like with my daughters, look, I'll be the longest person they'll ever date. problems. And that's how they hand, you know, relationships and things like that. And it's just that you were confronted with reality i mean i didn't like it i think it's just like

57:51 Again, sometimes it's just them. that's kind of what that's all the stuff I seen with Ibogaine was kind of like, Everything adds up. Right. Like it's just like we't want to, we don't want to face it. Um, and Ibogaine makes you face it. Like you're going to sit there watching myself from a like a different point of all of it made sense. If that makes sense, like every bit of it, like I knew what it was telling

1:01:20 And so you get out of that, you do DMT. Like what happens during your anxiety attacks? You know, like, while I'm on that truck, of you. And then I'm watching my friends swim out there and I'm just thinking to myself like, You know, I mean, like, there was accountability. Nothing? And for people who don't shit what you went through. I really thought that.

1:05:32 you know? And so, and then you come back home and, and, um, then you get this medal of honor. doubt or self-judgment like the that that the nasty voice in your head that says you're a loser Do you know what I mean? Like I know I know that, you know, I know that I'm a good person. Like, you know what I mean? The thing you think you need to to push yourself for me. It's it's what it's what helps me

1:09:18 For sure. who's who's willing to give it all and who's I mean obviously training comes into it but but I mean, so I was fortunate because I got sent home from Afghanistan. Copp. She was a, um, she was on the combat stress team. And so what, when, when I was in Afghanistan, going back to base, I came straight home because the deployment was still going on.

1:13:09 And I just don't want to be an inconvenience. ago was this two years two years ago so two years ago it knocks it completely out of your system it's like i don't deserve any of this you know but i get to do this but who does deserve it then That's called mutual respect. Yes. And that's what I But, but that's a natural path. Yes. So that, I talk about, like, you know,

1:16:24 and how much he changed my life, which is really cool. If I can, you know, we all have more things that we're related on than we, than we do that we're not. Right. And it's a choice on which side you choose to pick, right? Like there's only a few things that you can do to me that we're not going to be able to get along about. Trying to see somebody else from their view is a really, really critical tool

1:18:58 It's hard sometimes for people to look at other human beings Try to put yourself in that position. to miss on getting to know somebody or getting, getting, having a bad-ass relationship or being empathy goes a long ways. Yeah. No, it definitely does. And now I just became the most evil person to them. How can we, how can we show our stories? I was there, you know, I, I went over, I was there. Everybody makes different choices in life.

1:23:43 It's just it is literally the same principles that you just apply in all situations so do you feel like the first book what i did in that valley in that moment well it's all these people around me you know i mean and Like, everybody has a bad day. I can't even spell my name. Right. wing? I wasn't fighting for Democrats. And, no, I wasn't fighting for Republicans or Democrats or any of that.

1:28:22 a big part of your life experiences. Really? Can anybody tell me that? When you heard them say that, though, what was that like just hearing it? I mean, there's only ones that win at the end of the day. for doing certain things that cost lives. soviet union with russia invading ukraine and we're watching it play out on television and is it though? So let's,

1:31:33 Because, look, first off, Putin's evil. lights still on? Well, that's a good question. But I think one of the things that's going on Who knows what's really happening? You see that tank that just veered off and ran over that car, There's so much misinformation online. Yeah. Jamie, I'm gonna send you something just so that, um, you could have this too. There is a,

1:34:35 Yeah, that's the thing. that if they join It's available on YouTube and it's very good. separate from Russia and separate from the rest of that area and become a part of the EU, which is But again, this video goes way into depth Yeah. yeah you know what i mean like what again what is what what's the purpose here what's what what are And it's also, it speaks to the distrust that people have in the mainstream media today because so many people don't know what is the true story.

1:39:02 it's the same as lying. How do you hold them accountable? Their ethos should be tell the truth always And this is what we're using to try to figure out what's going on in the world during this tragedy. invades Taiwan at the same time? It's the best time. military i never thought i would see it in the military i thought that would be the one sector Like, what is it about that?

1:43:10 gratification. I didn't have to go out and raise a garden and I didn't have to do the things that that's what's happening with everybody else it's like we have first-world And they don't want to hear that. hard men create easy times easy times create weak men weak men create hard times, easy times create weak men, weak men create hard times. Because I remember thinking, like, every civilization in the past that was a great civilization, whether, you know, whatever it is, ancient Egypt or whatever ancient civilization that was this dominant, massive civilization, they all went away.

1:45:52 We're, yeah, one of the youngest nations. I said the United States was founded in 1776. Pretty wild, right? You know what I mean? I used to say that about California, that California was like, Those make people nicer. You know, in Massachusetts, when it would snow, those wildfires are a motherfucker. Those are a wake-up call. Those make people nicer.

1:47:39 That was the thing that people, like, your own mortality. because to help somebody you have to be vulnerable. go about things and one of things that Jaco does so well is talk about everything, Yeah. I'll never forget, I called him this one time about this. to lose and look even worse if you right like hits you with some logic some logic yeah well he's a leader you know

1:51:39 Such an incredible guy. Yeah, good luck. scheduled this huh yeah so when when it comes out what do you do now do you have Out there? Like, he's just, you know, he's a guy that lives life on his own terms and he he cares about people and he's real thoughtful and he's very fucking smart. That 70 Chevelle he has. People were so nice. I So you just do like a tour.

1:54:44 So, yeah. So just going around and just trying to spread the word about game, right? Yeah. We did some, we've been doing podcasts for the last two weeks. So, yeah. it's hard to get guests to rely on guests, right? It's about, you know, I don't care if you're left or right. And, and so it's just, you know, we, we do the American party podcast and we, we just,

1:56:26 in a way that baffles most people Sounds good. Talk to me like I'm five. I love it. you know, there's a lot of things going on when you're flying a helicopter. are you having, are you having a bad day or do you have a bad life or are you having a bad day? Than it deserves. is the worst thing that's ever happened to you, people you know i don't want my children to go through hell but those people are more resilient

1:59:30 the worst day of my life is no more significant than the worst day of your life. They're both because we've rewarded it, right. Like there's, and there's no accountability to, to, to get I'm just fat. Right. Like just, just, just probably looking for some empathy. Right. So now it's time to get busy. Don't you think I could have sit here and been offended by that? Oh, yeah, for sure.

2:02:17 and mocks you for the way you look okay but it's not okay it's not you mean it's look it sucks if someone can point And instead, they try to come up with reasons why it's okay was just, I got it. I got it. Look, do whatever makes you feel safe. I don't care. basically how much of a piece of shit i am for not having my mask on and i'm endangering everyone

2:05:25 You should maybe make healthier decisions all the way around. I got it. Those cloth masks and especially those surgical masks, I mean, I don't think it's doing much. Statistically, it doesn't really have that much of an effect. So it's something about like if you are sick and you have one of those on, Like you're just, especially if you're obese and you've got a cart full of shit, you're concentrating on the wrong thing.

2:07:59 Like, we're one of the richest countries in the world. The most, as far as unhealthy, like the unhealthiest, I don't think so. No, that's way above my pay grade. Top 100? Like a small percentage of us do. What do you got Jamie I'm trying to just looking this up is a tough problem real fast because what What about the opposite? This is as far as healthiest.

2:10:46 they're at. So the highest obesity rate amongst high income countries. We're number one. is like you could just pull into a burger place get a milkshake fucking Isn't that, is that the narrative that we've, like, A lot of people are out there busy, but they're busy doing something that drains them. Same thing. But also the reality is like my struggle years were not that long.

2:13:13 But the people that haven't and they're obese now, they have a bunch of shit going on. It's just, it's a part of, it's brushing my teeth. I eat right. They spend a lot of time on their phones, but that's easy to do. So what they have to do is force themselves. and I still have to fight myself to get up to go work out at it. looking at his sneakers.

2:16:09 He said why are you here or why are you running or something? I mean, it's kind of the same thing, right? There's so many people that watch his videos and they go, that is an exceptional human being. That his attitude about those things is 100% real. You would think that he'd be like, stay hard all the time, like constantly, but no, he laughs a lot.

2:18:29 You got a totally different perspective. You know, honestly, that wasn't that big of a deal. But also, it's great for your body but also it's great for your mind And your mind's like, fuck you. because you can get through anything you can pace yourself you know all these Yeah. our body thinks of conflicts of anything that you've got that's going on is giving you stress our body thinks of conflicts,

2:21:43 And so your body is programmed to fight off a lot of shit. And so your body is programmed to fight off Like my dad's generation. They all got punched. And go back every generation, right? Like my dad's generation. like when I was in high school, I mean, we would fight and then we're friends the next day. And, laid down whenever conflict came because we'd all be dead. But in how many times? So what happens, you know, like you take these generations as we, you know, we're scared of conflict.

2:24:22 Or the real fear is the conflict comes now and we're not prepared for it. coworkers or what have you, and you try to do better constantly. We'd be an infinitely better there's more money to be made there. Right. Yeah. And I just think it's, it's just like, with the way people are handling stuff or Russia or any of this crazy stuff? admitted this. Who did? General Milley. Yeah. Joint Chief of Staff. What did he say? When he

2:28:04 they're sure that it's not going to affect them. But I think that like the humanization factor of, Yeah. 70? I mean, when you've got a guy who's a dictator. But if he orders the first, I mean, hasn't he given them orders to get close, to get ready? Maybe they get them aimed in the right direction. Right. I mean, it's all obvious. and thought they were actually going to wind up doing that.

2:31:15 Like, if he drops a nuke 100%, he's done. Do you think if one nuclear bomb goes off somewhere that that would automatically mean a nuclear war? Or do you think people would we were going to have a hot war with Russiaussia invades ukraine with tanks and and jets and they're shooting missiles new apartment We're in a war. That scares me too. I mean, China

2:33:24 Like, don't, you just don't ever even mess with him, right? Unless he's going nuclear. And that seems to be all those boxes get checked in this scenario yeah you know i mean i'm with you i don't know man like i want i want That's what they always say. Just nature of human beings? and you don't think that putin likes making money i think you think that's not a factor you know

2:35:33 is probably me. I would hate to have this conversation or go back and listen to this conversation a year from now after a nuclear bomb's gone off. What do you think it is? and he could see that this guy who was running for president Yeah but especially as you're getting older, Yeah, but you're not a dictator. I mean, North Korea. She was a woman who escaped North Korea.

2:38:17 And the fact this guy has complete control of his population That's why everybody's so small over there. I mean, Your point of reference is this great neighborhood that you live in where everything's safe and you never really have to worry about anything. What's the murder capital of the world, Jamie? It's a good for me, good for thee but not for me kind of mentality sometimes.

2:41:12 Because you're thoughtful on this, so I want to know. during his four years in office, but that could just be luck. While he was president, they hacked into their computers. They planted evidence that tried to implicate him in the shady dealings with Russia. The Democrats weren't freaking out. of money from Ukraine. Well, it's from a company in Ukraine, right? Well, of course. But that's

2:44:18 Could be. And I think that's one of the reasons why Trump ran in the first place is because he was on the other side of that. And what is this? Okay. What's a good way to look at this? Do you got anything that's going both ways? They were spying. blow job today in the white house it'd be. He's not getting impeached. No chance. Right. Right, but maybe they thought it was the Obamas.

2:47:57 the candidate yeah but the connections that she had with those people ours if she is the favorite to win the president and the presidency Oh, for sure. People don't fucking hate him in the same way that they hate trump trump i don't think like i felt like i mean i felt like that you know what i'll say this i think just the unknown factor Okay, here's the quote here.

2:51:06 about intelligence agencies and law enforcement agencies staying in their proper lane and I want It's a lot of mess. I guess. Everything's so aliens. But I mean, I wouldn't even know whether I believe it. The way he described it is exactly the way Underwater. That's where all the fucking military bases are. There's so much was in San Diego, why would it be in San Diego? Why wouldn't it be? That's where all the fucking military bases are.

2:53:42 What if? We've allowed money to get into— And that we know that that's real. Like, why? And, you know, even though this administration completely fucked this whole pullout up, every other administration had the same opportunity to pull us out. Would have been nice if we didn't give them all those weapons though, right? well now we're just we'll have to build the next gen because they've got it now right

2:56:42 War is a Racket. but it's essentially. War is a racket. Out of war, a few people make huge fortunes. He said, I helped make Mexico, especially I bought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar business interest rather in 1916 in China. Yeah, that's why that, I remember reading that. the lenient part of it when you have stocks and you're in those positions.

3:00:05 And you're like, what? so the shit that they can do they're not held accountable if they know inside like go look at it's crazy loophole but it's like you were talking about before that we're just accustomed to it we That expands the community. Yeah. I appreciate you, brother.