Joe Rogan Experience #1800 — Gavin de Becker Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. And I'm glad to talk about, we have a lot of shared interests, but this survival signals When I was 10 years old, my mother shot my stepfather in front of me. It's the it is the more unusual of the two. you know, succeeded in life. I would have died on this subject, which was pretty limited. Most of the stuff on anti-assassination strategies

3:12 And then and through the course of everybody above me being fired, I ended up being what's called traveling chief of staff. they'd look around. And I had a mustache. I used to darken it because you could see through it. work with CIA and FBI and all the things that have gone on between 10 years old and today. but my grandfather got a one-room apartment in Beverly Hills where we could lie, and my sister

5:54 And in came this giant, you know, big hair and all this stuff. Can you type? So I got the job. Then I went home. And I later. So I got the job. And one day she came into my office and she said – I was working at the house and she said, can you take me to the tropical fish place tomorrow? to get to the house, get there by noon. She's gone to the fish place and she comes into my office afterwards, clearly to fire me.

8:05 So I kept the job. And she says, would you be willing to come to work for me and Richard in Europe? And she said, Richard, he wants to know what he should call you. Well, he must have been close to death then, right? Because how old was he then? They let everybody on the tarmac, but it was obviously because of Elizabeth being there. If he was drunk or in trouble, I used to go get the diary out of the room

11:05 with that diary that are good teachers for my kids now. One is that one day he went to sleep or so since I worked for them. And I find these passages from him. One of them says, Because one of the things that I've encountered and you meet a lot of movie stars and celebrity type people, especially rock stars, it's not just the life on the road and the partying that goes with that, but it's in response to the pressures of so many people wanting your attention and so much focus on you.

13:38 and the pressures that go with fame. somebody. If you're a female actress or male, your face is closer to people than you would ever be And that they were the only four people in the world kind of. that work on it. Yeah. that said this and that? the attention. It's just strange. Yeah. I think as I mentioned, physiological, I mean you might think, hey, I was only going 10 miles an hour over the speed limit.

18:10 this childhood already where the dramas that they were going through were pretty mild. My older two years ago or two decades ago. And so it's regular people to whom a circumstance occurs, For the most part, most people don't interact with me like I'm controversial. They want to do it while you're ordering food somewhere. Yeah, I like this one that people come up to the table.

20:42 something, doesn't matter. This is the protocol that people know. I'm like, what if everybody did that? But when I'm sitting down and I have a fork And he said it was very valuable to him. know people who were at-risk public figures show business statistically. And she looked around, she thought, oh, these poor kids. interesting. So you're 19 years old. You work with them. How long does this relationship last?

24:29 Public figure protection in the private sector when you were 21 years old? Eastern self-defense training. And that is that in the mind of the beginner, there are many one class, criminal investigation. And then when I got appointed as a senior fellow at UCLA School at a university. But that is a very unusual thing for a 21-year-old to do with no And I was just fascinated by it, and I still am.

27:44 to the edge until he was getting really tired because he was smaller than us. And we were what he he became you know cover people magazine and big recording artist and all that stuff. Is he still alive? Oh my gosh, Sean. Oh, yeah that was like going to work for Trump out in Hollywood. You know, Ronald Reagan was the tour. And they were deciding whether to go on tour based on the success of his last record album

31:08 And he shot him a few months later. and this kid, you know, and know, sitting at the table at our first Every single one of them, Supreme Court justices, chiefs of police, head of the Pennsylvania Crime Commission, all of them had a story of being arrested. do more and more research, you get more and more involved in it. Did you also find that there was

33:58 So something that used to happen every few months and be a giant story is now happening all the time. So, and likewise, none of the people who made a direct threat to a public figure later shot that meeting with you or waits outside your house if you're a famous person is going to hand you a People who send blood, people who send bullets, people who send body parts.

36:12 Their own finger or somebody else's? No? But clearly, somebody has that much emotional investment. Cops would say, well, did he make a threat? In other words, can we predict violence in advance? And the answer is we can. other. They had met. They had exchanged phone numbers. And embedded in that video was a system Yep. And then there are the purchasing countries, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, and all 190 other countries.

41:11 about them. It's not actually my area of expertise, cybersecurity, but as I had to learn more about it government office. And so Signal doesn't help you with that. I do think, however, We're collecting all of this data in the phone. It is a no-click incursion, meaning you don't have to click on anything. Why is that? Nothing at all? No text messages? So you have no idea whatsoever?

45:19 for Pegasus 2, but most people can't buy it anyway. But Pegasus 2 is not sitting in an armchair waiting for you to arrive. on this kind of stuff, he's now in private practice. involved. So Pegasus sends a signal to the person that's using the spyware to tell you that that dark game all over the world involving governments and other powerful people.

48:03 So someone can just send you a text, you don't even And it doesn't download it right now. Don't know. that are becoming more... Probably better, but I don't know. But the challenge is, it's a moving target. So if somebody says today, oh, we've got something great for such and such, two weeks later, we do, you know, online is subject to being intercepted and seen more and more. You know,

51:45 And it's going to expand. it will erode that way as well. Well, those are some of the dumbest arguments ever, to nefarious actions? that they were aware that some of what they're seeing is not just pandemic or is not just politics. It is also a profound gathering of power. And so that's one. I think the far more likely one is that Jeff was the owner of the

55:14 of just waited to see how much outrage was out there and then sort of accepted the fact that this Well, no, it's not difficult to see. Netflix will want this. This is a hell of a documentary. This is incredible. I mean, That's who it's dangerous to. I mean, governments have been in this game of using fear to control human behavior and to control their own populations throughout history. There's never been anything else. And so when we see any time a government wants us to fear something, it's very important to ask yourself and really learn about what that thing worth fearing in the ways that the government is telling us? Because government wins from a frightened population all the time.

58:52 of the coffee, and they'd be feeling good with each other. And so he put out a proclamation, The following year, he extends it to not just coffee houses, What year is this? And now people want to ban end-to-end encryption or anything else that will allow for an actual open dialogue. with freedom of speech. And we grew up with these protections from the court and from the Constitution.

1:02:25 to all kinds of beings. But of course, it's a people drug, won the Nobel Prize as a people drug, And unfortunately, it's not a simple narrative. If you used to make fabric scarves, now you make masks. Meaning, what do you go to a nursing home for, by the way? meaning they already had other diseases that could kill them. I didn't. And they already were

1:06:26 And what do I do? I listed prednisone. Even though ivermectin, by the way, I found some stuff in my cabinet that was heartworm medication for my dog that was ivermectin by the way i found some stuff in my cabinet that was heartworm It's got 3,200 citations. Everything is very carefully researched and studied, and it's been the number one book in the country for –

1:08:51 give another, you can hear another view. Anytime you hear only the government view in world history, then you do not get an emergency use authorization. And what is the emergency use authorization? supposed to be public health, but it isn't public health anymore. It's much more focused on specific hey, man, this thing you sold me isn't what you said it was. And you could engage with him,

1:12:03 regular television and you see commercials, you're going to see pharma commercials for a decade. Meaning that's what, if you watch regular television and you see on, he was talking about a particular guest who was perceived as going to speak adversely about A very interesting example was the New York Post story on Hunter Biden. disinformation. It is Hunter Biden's laptop. By the way, I don't care about me. I'm not a political person.

1:14:39 right? You can't believe it could possibly happen, but eventually there'll be an article saying these 70 studies about ivermectin might actually speak to some remote, impossible efficacy for this drug. My point here, though, is I, you know, you asked earlier about my life and childhood. look it up. I want to see what I can learn about it. But people are not that way, some people, with government proclamations.

1:17:01 And yet today we've decided I have this fear. Please let me put it somewhere. Will you hold it for me, government? Will you hold it for me, Pfizer. And yet today we've decided, I have this fear. Please let me put it problems and blood clots and the like, and it wound up killing someone in the neighborhood of that has been notoriously the most deceptive.

1:19:11 an advisory board recommendation and approved Vioxx. And so Vioxx leads to fines of more than And so going back to your original question about how you have a monolithic opinion, I think I mean, it wouldn't be nothing. Not just normal. They're willing to stick their head in the sand and think that all these other folks that are making a big deal out of this, they're Trumpers or they're this or, you know, they have these biases that don't allow them to see the truth.

1:22:51 And if you are a sports league, for example, your show is itself a little bit alarming because, you know, your show in particular, published doctors ever in their field and you're saying there's something wrong with them because And here's our paper on how good and safe it is and on and on and on. So my problem with all of in these last two years. And I think that the something that I care about is that people

1:26:47 And you ask 10 questions and people fall off at about question number three. the booster for ages 18 to 49. Well, let's go for, that's right, now let's go further than that. data because we personally don't feel that it's within the best interest to let people know the facts. That's crazy. That doesn't seem likely. And that – so my buttons get pushed around this topic because the misuse of fear causes extraordinary anxiety. Look what it's done,

1:30:07 fear of the other, the Russians. Russia is a country, and they're going to hurt us. They're They have that in common, right? You couldn't even know whether you had COVID You were going and getting places. there's the witch doctor. But there were tests available. You could go to centers and get tested. I mean, in March of 2020, people were terrified of this.

1:32:52 obesity, your vulnerabilities increase because of vitamin deficiencies and all sorts of other I think we kind of have as a general base of fear and anxiety over the virus, it's greatly diminished. but I don't like bullshit. I don't like false narratives. And that's what's going on today. different one, which is that if consumer tests were available, we could decide on our own,

1:35:44 sick less often? Or are you wanting to control people because it's in their own best interest to do so because they'll get sick less often, or you're wanting to control people because it's your default position and when you get it, can help you and only the government can tell you whether you've got it. there's an area of inaccuracy with all these tests, right? They're not a hundred percent

1:37:44 I think it was a valuable thing, and I don't argue that it's valuable. I argue that government Now, a lot of people have accepted COVID, and they're encouraging people to accept COVID as endemic, and this accepted as a part of everyday life. Now, a lot of people have accepted COVID, I am. we had, this little 100-person democracy, we would say, we don't want 2 percent telling everybody what to do.

1:40:14 they look over the castle wall and they see the people fighting with each other. its constitution. And when you can deviate, you know, Robert Kennedy makes a good point in his book that there is no pandemic There's a little town in Arizona a few months ago had three people escape from their jail. Right. Yeah, but the- cervical cancer. Well, it's not her we're talking about. It's her in 40 years we're talking about.

1:43:51 And so that happens to be a bad one. He brought that up, that they were giving kids vaccines for polio in Africa, and that this was they ran it at too many cycles? That's an example. And by the way, our government, Instead, new data underscore the need for more widespread use of rapid tests, even if they are less sensitive. Well, they've lowered the cycles of PCRs dramatically, right?

1:47:18 well happen. It just hasn't, the virus hasn't replicated enough in their system yet. But of 10 chance and I'm not going to come to your dinner party because I tested positive, right? unless you had the flu. Even though Omicron is very mild, it's so contagious. It's not just those things. Well, no risk factor is more important than good health and bad health.

1:50:10 is that we have a lot of, I've got 570 employees, a lot of them young people and a lot of them out mandate vaccines, for example? And so you looked at it in terms of the way you look at other security had to be admitted. Then you had to go up to the ICU. That's 87% didn't get to the ICU. the flu vaccine, for example. And the flu vaccine has the same rap that you described earlier,

1:53:17 So they think, my little girl dying of cervical cancer. You have music and people dancing and holding hands and spinning around in a wheat field. times i'm watching television like how many goddamn drug commercials are there i mean i would 75%. That is a crazy number. Oh, good. They don't have that in, name a country. the side effects are these terrible things.

1:56:29 what are you saying yeah but it's like the problem is manipulative ads are effective they work That would be an interesting thing for a politician to look at at the federal level. I think it's more on news shows, by the way. I want something. Masterclass on personal safety. And there's not an animal in nature that would ever do that. where we ask people on the street, men and women,

2:00:10 And and a lot of the masterclass, the idea came from Oprah that she did a bunch of shows with me. You know, you hear you get the news stories about the tragedy. going to prosecute in California, most cities for anything over, unless it's over $1,500 theft. emergency search team phone number, you know, the black helicopters that the Pentagon has, And she didn't have it. She only wanted to talk about her fear of it. They couldn't find somebody

2:03:42 You have choices and you can observe the circumstance you're in and you can and it means to guard and to protect. is something I really believe in because it lets you engage with somebody physically And I think in particular for women, the problem is just by their own and for the, because Because women have greater lower body strength than upper body strength all of this only would work on a moron everything everything about like maybe it's better than not knowing anything but all of it would only work on

2:07:06 and they understand techniques they understand positioning they understand It won't be a question of thinking. Move to mount. and how to defend yourself take care of yourself. And I think what bothers me is that there's some people that walk out of those classes, Okay. The other one is you said maybe they will be slightly better off than they would have been. I agree. That's one. The other one is you said maybe they will be slightly better off than they would have been. I agree. And so the fact is we're not going to get 220 million American women or young girls, I've got two daughters, to all become jiu-jitsu experts. And a little jiu-jitsu is also dangerous, you probably feel.

2:10:34 know how difficult it is to generate force, right? Yes. And I know how little force it takes. It courage to resist and run because resistance is a very important part. What do you have available Men, who are practicing predation against But for the persuasion predator, the teaching early for your daughter and my daughters, That actually makes sense more too because you're explaining to people

2:13:52 disagreeing because i think in many ways i'm ignorant to the protocol that they're prescribing which is you went from your opinion, which is very well informed because you have a lot of experience, So I have so much more wisdom. My opinion on this is, you know, I'm talking about women's self-defense courses, but in many ways it's actually not about women.

2:16:35 It's like having an argument with someone when you don't even understand their language, right? feed the dog. If it comes over the seat, it's going to get to your legs, your hands, and your in trauma immediately, instant trauma. Because I see it from people that think that they know how to fight, from men more than even from women. You know how hard it is to kick someone in the fucking knee? By the way, another one of the classes, another type is called impact

2:19:55 They're cooperating. like, would I recommend somebody have a gun in the bedside drawer? No, because I don't have Yep. it be better if you get woken up in the middle of the night because there's an intruder in your home if you have some detection system downstairs that gave you some heads up, if you are reasonable, But too many of them are accidents, whatever the number is.

2:23:23 are by far the most tragic. You have some time to arm yourself. If you have a firearm that you know how to use, all good. important because they do give people the ability to understand what it is to be engaged, pushed altogether. But the essential protection skills, the earliest academy is at a facility. Right now, We pull them down from underneath. So we have the dog thing. And all of these things are

2:26:49 And with a lower heart rate, you get to what you were talking about. you're panicked. You can't even call 911. So a lot of what we're training to do is training for If you're worried about marks on your back from simunition, why don't you go with the client to, you know, to Zimbabwe in two weeks when there's some controversial event, give him a speech.

2:28:38 bulky, right? But a garment like what you're wearing now, it will come that you can have there, you don't even have to deal with the trauma, right? When you get shot, when a cop gets It's not getting the penetration of the bullet, but it's still getting the penetration of the energy. And so that's the piece that isn't So these are such great Joe Rogan questions because this is what you do.

2:30:53 Secret service agents don't wear body armor? Accelerated lead. that the clothing itself would stop the penetration of a bullet. And you go very thick and you get better and you go the lightest one where the window can and raised them. So it's a big part of my life. But it's all really, yeah. Wow. One died during We finally got India to agree to take him, and he died the night before the flight.

2:34:31 You see you don't wait for riots in the streets of Los Angeles Right, right, right. of treatment. And I said, yeah, you have to remember they were also the prison guards. And I support it because, again, I don't need any medical opinion. I don't need to like or dislike a particular pharma product to support the idea that mandates are destructive. StopTheMandatesUS.com, something like that.

2:36:59 In fact, they've actually changed the definition. Yeah, please go ahead. When you're talking about the doctors in the hospitals, you know, we had 34,000 medical workers fired in New York for not wanting to get vaccinated. It's not a Who's Paul Offit? So do you, so, you know, pharmaceuticals, there's great ones. I'm going to force you to take this one.

2:38:43 Do you think over time this is going to be looked at unfavorably? human nature, right? If you're made the chief of the village, you don't want to not be the chief I've opposed mandates. Which is essentially what a mandate is. It's Joe Rogan. Saudi Arabia, Russia is an example. and think, wow, that was an overreaction? Not similar, I should say. I mean, obviously there's no internment camps, but there's a lot of

2:42:19 kids developing their language skills who can't see mouths. And maybe we shouldn't have frightened What I'm concerned about, though, is will the information even become known? they're people that are been sent over there to try to ruin these companies we don't but everything I'm sure I could find all kinds of things on Rumble I would hate, but I'm not looking for shit I hate.

2:44:30 government is what makes this country extraordinary. That is, and if we're not allowed to question the And so long answer to your question is will we look back with help from you and others to just provide an alternate view and let the consumer decide. but it's fucking insane amounts of numbers. people that just want the truth, especially when you realize that that was a factor in

2:46:49 But all the other stuff was so enormous. Well, it's going to take time. strong position, doesn't want to hear anything about an alternate view. He's very much endorsed Zuckerberg or daddy government. And if you said, hey man, you're going to see a lot of shit on I'm going to do that, and I'm still going to have a crash. And it didn't ruin society when that was the case.

2:50:04 to have controversial or maybe even incorrect opinions that are good at this. What'd you find? nudity, violence, downranking, and it was Your book, A Gift of Fear, has been out. I really appreciate you. i am glad you're doing it that way too. Thank you very much. Bye everybody.