Joe Rogan Experience #1814 — Radio Rahim Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience Don't read the comments. That's a good way to describe it. And then another person reads that and goes, yeah, it's too loud. It is the Wild West in there. people i do read them on other people's videos, but it is funny like how people, they develop like a little community, they fuck with each That's why it's, but it's like, that's the kind of people that are doing that.

3:14 this while they work because they hate their job their job sucks so they just complain about shit And you performing in front this whole new world of social media. It's weird. It's just, you know, we're just navigating this whole new world of social media. Well, we're in the moment, I think, that we're learning. Yeah, this is what I'm saying. Right.

5:29 which was one thought in this guy's mind away from that being the reality today. And then he literally made a run for it. during the show. They're not paying attention. But the point is, they should hire cops. and threats and stuff like that. But that guy actually Because you attacked a special person. They don't have to be of great impact to the entire world.

8:35 That's inconceivable. They cut those fucking bags open. He was a homeless guy. I'm struggling with is Right. that's what i'm talking about yeah that's a that the attitude that people take when they're removed You can interact with someone. He goes, I am not anti-trans. or hoping that the Hollywood Bowl security is on top of their game, from our peers, from each other? Somebody

12:15 every day, there's just millions. You know, and when he's got a, the dumbest anybody's page at any time well he's more of an anomaly it's just there's a lot of anomalies when that turmeric coffee gets in your throat right? We were talking before this podcast about your former cigarette habit. How did you quit? I'm just not going to have that first cigarette in the morning before I eat.

14:55 But what did work was finding spots, just spots, when you're not allowing yourself to smoke and giving yourself free range the rest of the time. That's smart. uh i've drank a lot in my day i've dabbled in other drugs the only thing i still have No. Right, that's coffee. So I used to do a lot of things in abundance, right? So I had to dial it, and it wasn't like, oh, you know what?

17:42 just like vanity i was like i can I can't. We talked about that. and we were all drinking and having fun. Yeah, not just testing, but we tested do podcasts and shit and then they got sick. went into making sure that we could all feel long and it didn't become like a super spreader where people outside of our little world got Let's see what happens.

20:45 It was the perfect idea for me. And I had this deal for a show that I clearly couldn't do. I've been talking to boxers. like what got them to this place to even be able to climb through the ropes And I said, you know, that fight that's in these boxers, these life hurdles, well, that exists in everybody. And I created this show. know getting ready for a fight and fired up he had decided that he was gonna like explain to you yeah what it's like to struggle as a black man in america that till this day you're like yeah i know

24:56 People took that moment to think that I was some kind of Uncle Tom or I was, you know, trying to pretend as though slavery didn't exist or something ridiculous Right. Right. Like I love that aspect of your work, and that is my claim to fame. Some people still so. I came here today because I wanted to be a part of the Joe Rogan experience. You can, and it's worked for some people. I mean, rightly so for people like Harvey Weinstein,

29:00 Because that was like an open secret in Hollywood. No, no, no. It's very important. But you can't take all those negative things in too much. defend this space yes and you have some responsibility to not abuse that space yes So, in the absence of that, in the absence of credibility on the nightly news, That's their job though. Well, it's a lot of it is their fault.

33:43 trying to tell people like don, don't get vaccinated. what it means to me and how important it is that people be able to express themselves. And that's just be me. Well, tell people to read the actual pertinent information. That's actually a joke now. Should you trust the experts? Everyone can see it. And he sent it to another guy. might be accurate and so

36:32 And science is an ongoing study, right? the people that are in power, then you get That's that's that's real human beings and most people know that and when you can get people to just fucking step in line and just And so free speech in a free form, you being able to say that without having some totalitarian government come down on your head or your own research. But you have the option to listen to what you think is credible and juxtapose that with what might not be in line with your current beliefs.

38:53 now like when they're talking about uh oh you know we've got to stop being so dependent on foreign I've had experts that had completely different opinions and then there's another guy that goes, here's like a thousand-year chart Because there's a lot of people that are out there incentive for those things to take place so that you can control things. And then even after you're

41:02 There was a lot of ideas. take our shoes off forever. Like, what is that? What the fuck? And it just, it's forever. And as free in terms of government surveillance. The idea that the government could be looking Why can they do that? You might even get me to say yes in a moment of crisis. What if Trump gets in office again? Like if that – that's what a dictator can do.

44:00 He's going to fucking kill you. A hundred percent percent he kills his family members right right he has first day of playing golf? Like a god of golf. as any ever played I mean, come on, Joe. This has Tremendous health. They like me. experience here that we can point to based on the unknown. There's so much to pay attention to. I've not made my life about my opinion.

48:45 consistently as adversity to who you want to be or what you have become? Give me that and how few people ever have that conversation with another person. They have things going on that you would never think of But because the institution was trusted, because the guy was pointing out the song and dance show of the nightly news and the political spin, we could trust him.

51:24 and doing his show now but smart that you hear him talk about stuff and you go, oh, yeah. It might just be exhausting, man. And their ethics are unflappable. The nightly news on a lot of these fucking networks, it's like a school lunch. market I wasn't being sat at the table or ringside on you gotta make your own know fighters personally. Never. You're acting like what you think a reporter is.

55:58 I could ask the questions that no network would ever permit me to ask You're getting to, that's what people love. prodigy he's ever experienced and this guy will do anything and he's ready to go and he's fucking super talented at 13 like holy And every bit of work, every single day, every round for every other fighter. You can't sum that up in 13 I was just reading something about these NFL guys that are pissed off

58:30 The threshold for what constitutes a positive THC test has also increased under the deal. NFL players are balling. They all play high, right? It's very common. It is for some things. Marijuana, when I play pool, I'm one ball better. I used to smoke weed a lot. This is Mike Tyson weed. But for me, when I hit the bag, when I'm high, I feel better. like what's the timing in it. You feel things more. Maybe my, maybe I should push off my toes

1:02:03 I take you at your point. joint because i'm not thinking about anything right nothing's creeping into my mind like it He goes, I don't train listening to fucking music. And he said that to me, and I think about that when I want to smoke a joint and hit the bag. That's what running is to me. in my neighborhood that had boxing childhood memory of mine where this whole idea

1:05:13 thursday at eight o'clock as the two men have decided it's gonna be at three o'clock in the Dana Bratton trained both of us, So if I were boxing in a ring, I'd want to be sober, but if I'm in the street where any Did you ever learn any martial arts other than boxing? masculine way possible you know how they throw you and you're supposed to slap the mat

1:07:10 My mom wasn't going to be able to afford to send me to any martial arts class and pay for the gi and all the stuff. attractive to me maybe the mixed martial arts and then that just might just be because of under my That's what fascinates me as well. Did you see, I'm sure you saw Shakur Stevenson. Right. millimeters and then he fired back and he was firing back and landing flush and it was genius

1:10:02 Right. I would tell you, at your disposal to end the fight as quick as possible, the better you're going to do. I mean, you know what I mean? Baseball also, you have to do it on skates. why you know jordan burroughs is no olympic gold medalist elite super super elite wrestler like top But the finite nature of the sport, in the context of professional athletes in their sports, that's what I love about boxing.

1:13:12 rare outlier freak of an athlete with one punch death power with fucking eight ounce ten ounce there is a team surrounding him that could put him and they don't, it's not the same. 100%. And so to diminish the idea that these fighters are intelligent is a huge insult and probably means you're not that fucking smart. you know i know people that are like ridiculously physically gifted and they just don't do anything

1:15:53 That is a possibility. He would occasionally fight kickboxing fights in his career, Because he's got to explode to get away from takedowns. Julio Cesar Chavez, one of the greatest of all time. he doesn't have enough power in his hands to just fuck you up with one shot. Does he have to get to elite wrestlers? Did not go well. But he's a good example of why I don't want some people to fight in MMA,

1:19:22 I saw something like in the round. Won't find a place big enough. Yeah. Yeah. holders at the current time, and the seduction of being able to be he brings over Francis Ngannou I quit. But he just retired so he doesn't have to pay you I'm still the guy to beat. boxing, he's going to have a really hard time I want to see the fight. was one of the most terrifying knockouts

1:23:38 what kind of hybrid rules are we talking about? Okay. Absolutely not. You know, last I'm going on record right now. Yeah, but even if it's not competitive, I want to see it be uncompetitive. In boxing, technically, you're not allowed to hold. See, that's what I'm saying. Okay. would have been Klitschko Fury. But Tyson is not unskilled at that. That's what I'm saying.

1:27:28 and I think it would be an enormous payday. You know, we can't talk about Shakur Stevenson fight of the year no male-f good. It's fight of the year. No male-female distinction. at all lesser a fan of women's boxing than I am of men's boxing. The names that we know for sure have had their moments but I don't think I would have to say in this era Like these girls are like coming.

1:30:39 yeah I watched the I watched as much MMA as possible and you know to your point if it were Well, this is May Cinco de Mayo weekend. It's not even in Vegas or one of the places we go a lot. Listen, that would be a dumb thing. They know. Yes. and not have it go back-to-back against Canelo Alvarez, they definitely would. Russian light heavyweight, real talented, undefeated, challenge What are you gonna do?

1:33:12 Every fucking month Like all the fights Sunday night is the night for fights. That's because you're single and you go out on Saturday night to the MMA, but in my regard, let them fucking have it. Sunday night is the night for fights. Well, not only that, your best friend is Dave Chappelle. Of course Saturday night's the way to go. They fucking busted their ass.

1:34:49 Right. Hey, we're going to go see Chappelle. If you got tickets to the fight, well But that's the same as true for Sunday. Yes. I think it might have been Sunday because this might have been even where I first was ever walked the face of the earth It's just personal convenience. That's what most people don't want Eddie Hearn. Without Jake Paul, that fight doesn't happen.

1:37:23 I don't even know. He put her on his undercard. main arena fight. That's incredible. Right. maybe gets wrapped up in the hype and maybe gets a little nervous and this is his first Yep. So if he fought him, we would have got some I don't buy any of that. Jake Paul dude coming up? He's The feints, the foot movement, the way he lands shots. First of all, if a guy in his pro debut and the first five fights of his career are knocking out people whose names we know, you're absolutely right.

1:41:19 And that's fine, right? isn't fighting great competition. What does Jake Paul have? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Something what does he have? Six fights? Yes, I don't know. Something like this. What do you mean? What does Jake Paul have? small cards and then knocks out saying, I'm ready for Canelo. He's got to fight Golovkin in the rematch if he beats Bivol. Yeah.

1:43:18 The trajectory Canelo is on. attention this guy means it he means it and the opponents that he's chosen thus far with the But you can't say that the guy in front of him right now 175 pounds? but I'm like, he's 175 pounds even on the slide. Right. That's Kovalev, who, you know, arguably has If he beats Beville and acquires another title at 175 pounds,

1:46:28 I do. You never know. right? What would you rumor? Two versions of it right there. That's not true. If he doesn't take that fight immediately, that doesn't mean anything other than he is But wouldn't you take $20 million Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder, Arreola. Rumor that he asked for more. serious but tyson fury beat or excuse me um anthony joshua beat him in the rematch that's

1:49:36 Being beaten in a heavyweight fight More time for those to set in. I mean, I guess to your point, if he had taken that Yes, yes. Then each To be a boxer at all, certainly at that level, there should, buddy. You know what I mean? This whole You can't be world champion if that guy's world champion. historians of the sport. require is that everybody agree.

1:52:54 I would like four or five more people to step in and start sanctioning fights. just three period. I'm giving you an argument for you, for your position on this. They have to be heavyweight world titles. That's true. And you just can't trust boxing to get out of its own way and let a series of fights happen the way they should go. I'd like to fight for the title again.

1:55:31 okay but do you agree that let's say tyson fury comes back and they don't he doesn't they don't Okay, let's say Usyk and Joshua fight, and this time Joshua wins. Neither one of them has a belt. You would think. That's the name of the promotion. He should. It's phenomenal. that Tyrone Woodley that building. The difference is everybody wants to see Jake Paul fight whoever Jake Paul picks to fight.

1:58:53 that Jake Paul is a boxer of any tradition. Or a Sunday. Or a Sunday if you're smart. We just want to see these guys fight. That's all he needs. Oh, the guy would be... heavyweight champions that's ever lived. of the old Tyson. Right. Why would you do that? We'd be holding hands. We're fucking going. When I was watching Mike Tyson hit mitts with Rafael Cordero, I was like, holy fuck.

2:02:34 We've lost a few hundred thousand gallons. electrodes you know where they put these like watching him train, I don't want that diminished. with it thus far in grand fashion. Like, it wasn't a knockout kind of fight. That's Roy Jones. the quiet man he was uh you know he was a legit heavyweight champion. but crazy and winning it and winning it and winning it he'd already had and now be challenging for a heavyweight title. Crazy.

2:06:45 You know every fight you're in. You've got to dehydrate the shit out of yourself. james tony like back in those days when he was a coiled spring ready to go like when he fought James Toney. stressed and then you have to perform at the highest level yeah yeah that again imagine doing He knows how to wrestle. So a lot of wrestlers, when they're fighting a striker,

2:09:52 He's the best at it. They just got a flannel shirt on. Like, he wrestles like a real wrestler. at a world championship, top of If you put somebody else across from him, I don't care if there's a cage around you or ropes or a playground. of pool. I was like, what are you saying? Sorry, Lennox. I didn't know this about you. Yeah. The fuck is pickleball?

2:12:13 I just Did he put it in there? sport that I really welcomed sport that was close enough to tennis that I could play it and have as much fun. Listen, I bowl. and he had League Nike. Guys back in back in those days man like old dudes they would they would Right. and you're aiming, you don't think about anything other than perfect execution Had to be, right?

2:15:39 shortages is there though how about prepare so that there isn't food shortages? I mean, I'm a city boy. Because there's plenty of farms. You know what, man? You might want to be Most meat. Most of my friends don't have that uh mentality about meat you just i can most i can definitely When it's a bullet, you don't give a fuck. You probably wouldn't even have to go out.

2:18:14 you don't know how you're going to eat and everything got kind of sketchy, the roads were all shut down My kids say, oh, so cute, so cute. Yeah, but it's just society. People steal. you can at the very least So I didn't grow up with anybody taking care of me. I watch people be mean to their spouse and mean to their parents Well you want to become an Alexander or sick you want to become a Terrence Crawford?

2:21:50 and so when things go sideways they're fucked when a girlfriend breaks up with them they're night like yeah that was the fourth And some... who probably never even watched especially doesn't have a fucking TV my life means something now. But many people have horrible things happen to them along the way. Well, that set you on a trajectory. That kind of thing.

2:25:50 they have close proximity and they have exposure to something like fentanyl. that the fight is drugs when it's drugs. Like drugs is a symptom of whatever's underneath there that you're trying to when you realize that no one's looking out for you and then you look at the A solar flare. Could be a long time. There was a solar flare that was so powerful that it fucked up anything that was electric,

2:28:32 But very common in terms of the length of time the Sun lives their weakness and and would annoy me I was finding vulnerabilities in people. No one is paying attention. It took me until I was like in my 20s, my early 20s, I realized I was doing that all It was too easy to slide into. And that's what you should think about. It's that shit. want to like, okay, I don't want to believe that I was right when I was wrong.

2:32:41 I want to know, did you do this work are you just brought this up so maybe maybe I didn't explain myself right and so they don't Regardless of whether or not it's correct. That's Twitter I wasn't a bully, but I had a very, very thin line That's a lot of that comes from. And he was going over there for a football thing, and I was going over there for the UFC thing.

2:35:09 And then what happens when you wind up playing football? They're more impulsive, more prone to violence. Like there had to have been a moment where you. You can't have like bad defense. did you recognize I realized it was dumb I realized it was dumb I would just like I was either 21 or 22. one of the things I used to think of when I bombed early on was like,

2:37:28 I liked it. I'm here for me. for me i didn't i would never want to do it in front of people for the sake of that or I wasn't even about how much and how important it was, a blessing in the sense that I don't need this But at the same time, it gave me this desire to not be the stereotypical because you're a white man. high school I was very well like not going to college well that's it for that

2:40:39 But my feeling about what we're saying is that all that adversity can fuck you over, Knowing the finality of life at such an early age, were a loser, but that you realized that you weren't a loser? If I weigh, you know, 154 and you're in my weight class, you don't have to like me. like most high school experiences that a lot of people had because most i was traveling around

2:43:11 It was very few, very rare. Like put a lot of effort into it, a lot of thinking, and you can get really good at something. How did I get here? And you're not a loser. You were really good at it. gonna say some fucked up things so everybody laughs and i realized that it's a good icebreaker and people They all start out sucking. thought was funny, rethink how people thought of me, rethink why did people think of me this way?

2:47:07 the deterioration and then there's still hard sparring and they take a lot of Does he know? And then I started really thinking about it and I was like, I can't keep doing this. It wasn't like when I was starting out doing Taekwondo where there was a clear path. when you're at home and you're like looking at this gold medal you're like Everything it took to keep that feeling. So that feeling was my new friend.

2:50:21 Yeah, I'd won the American Open by then. I'd won the state championship four years in a No, you have to think. You are a writer. You're the producer. one of the weird things that like comedy makes you you are you are a writer No, not even close. And the more it's just like, man? So that like when I learned, I didn't just learn, I was really fast. out a way to not be a loser it doesn't mean that you're not going to lose you're going to lose but

2:53:37 So when I would see that in other people, that would drive me crazy. That's an evolved way to look at it because the competitive nature of me, When a fighter loses his title, like when Anthony Joshua lost to Usyk that night, I He's like I got a course correct Just time. You know, the lessons that you learn, that you apply from martial arts, you can apply to everything.

2:55:50 in front of the coach. you can't say, When you lose and you have those horrible emotions, I'm sure. I look like shit here. It's that. Yeah, it's difficult. you have this feeling that nothing's gonna go right. They don't regroup. And they never't course correct. They don't regroup. Yeah. Like you'd have to find something that you're successful in and then sort of build up your

2:58:52 It's not legal for me to have a job. Some like a way you found back to the sport that maybe you thought for a while because I probably would have, from bombing, And then the UFC needed a backstage interviewer. It wasn't even on cable back then. That's how crazy it is. Yeah. For real. He was fighting and it was like UFC 13 or some shit. I don't remember who won the fight, actually, now that I say that. But he's a guy who had a jiu-jitsu match with Hoist Gracie on the beach in Rio de Janeiro

3:02:05 When you say on the beach, what do you mean on the beach? This is them. Because this is, for them, and it says that in the title of the match, So he had no-holds-barred matches, and he beat guys that Elio Gracie, whose hoist his but I only did it for one class. yeah oh yeah how do they even I can't that was it yeah he so he did have it Exactly. Exactly.

3:04:46 and he puts him to sleep. that jiu-jitsu is this amazing martial art. where guys from one school would show up at another guy's school They wanted to fight. They all did it back then. And see if you can find some Gracie in action. easily With the increased popularity he offered money to fight Mike Tyson in Playboy magazine. to find ways to popularize

3:07:36 See if you can find the Gracie Hold on. Thinks he's a badass. They have a shitload of them. It was basically an infomercial for Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu eventually, Well, I started off as a striker. It's more like you're using wrestling control and then applying submissions to it. You don't even know why. yeah because i just wanted to do something that i was good at because i sucked at comedy

3:10:59 Like, I'm doing this because of you, mom. to like bombing. It fucking sucks. gotta deal with all losses as an opportunity to learn and grow but then before you were this wise You can go to, there's people that teach guitar lessons. My style is going to be different than David Tell's style. David Tell's style is going to be different than Jim Bre my style is gonna be different than David tell style David tell style

3:13:34 to your overall career, like cookie cutter, formulaic versions of how to write comedy. Did you bomb? I didn't bomb the first time, but I did did not have a good set the second set I ever had was pretty good And I think I'm going to keep going. I saw professionals in town in Boston, and I was like, that guy's pretty funny. I wasn't teaching. I wasn't just teaching.

3:15:42 I'd train them. so I had to quit. Dynamite dickless Dave Dolan. like the gumshoe the smoky door with rogan on the front you have to wear normal clothes He loved telling me about it. I meetings he didn't fucking oh i got my coin he did none of that he didn't give a fuck he just quit he didn't go to meetings he didn't fucking oh i got my coin he did none of

3:18:31 How crazy is that? and you can subscribe to Luminary. you attack it so why do you attack it a certain way is it the right way or are you tricking All right, get to the gym. points of adversity that you learn from in life, It's weakness. You are disciplined enough to have this experience, the Joe Rogan experience, weakness inside you well then all this is possible yeah but you really don't even win

3:22:01 So the workouts are so goddamn brutal that everything else is easy so a lot of like my And then the guy who you are that continuously adds one more plate because that makes it just hard enough to know that boy couldn't have t-shirts to say it conquer your inner bitch I've been saying that That's what I had to do when COVID hit and boxing stopped. the fight in them could be made something that was interesting to everybody, including

3:25:49 It's always great. All right.