Joe Rogan Experience #1820 — Jack Carr Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience But when I say, like, John L. Rawlings gave me a hard time. So, like, for me, it's like I've finished your books in the sauna and on the commute to work. Don't worry. Yeah, I go back and forth. I don't know. It's not that bad. It's themselves? It's not that bad. I love it. It's hot out. Let's check it out. That sounds more healthy than just going back and forth between the two.

3:14 off and she's like, oh my god, it's so hot. I mean, three minutes, I'm fine. I feel like I did that in buds and just like that. Like I'm good? It's pretty nice. The sleep deprivation part of it in Hell Week, I guess, plays in. You're in and out of the water. the pacific ocean and you're in there locked arms with your buddies in the Pacific Ocean again.

5:21 I think so. We should make these special operations guys in the Navy, and we'll call them SEALs, and we'll have this Hell Week thing where we keep them on the verge of hypothermia the whole time. There's no way you create a program like that today. You're not going to develop a person like that without some sort of extreme adversity, a test to see what you're made

7:17 And they were like, oh, I'll give that a shot. And today it's a Marine boot camp. Wow. these guys coming up over the beach. Wow, look how old that looks. Have you ever heard the Whiskey Meyers song, Frogman? Dude, Whiskey Meyers is a shit. They fight like men from another world. Pause that for a second. One thing is. Pause that for a second. I know. What is that? I don't know, but it changed.

10:13 has a different almost style of acting. Maybe it's subjective. If you listen to those old newsreels about the attack on Pearl Harbor And what usually happens in Hollywood is someone, like, they break the window of the car, he breaks into it the way that you would, and he starts the engine the way that you And then every other movie from then on did essentially the same thing.

12:20 A guy that he'd been in a bunch of movies, but I don't know his name. No Man's Land. And they would steal Porsches. And then the cops would try to trace them, The 1980s. Why? also that has 912, Target top. And so I don't know. Have you seen that? That's beautiful. We need to reach out to those guys. This is blasphemy. But I like that it looks so clean and old. Oh, it's beautiful.

15:17 What is that what is there a new ludicrous mode or is there something else? Really? I know. But I like that FJ40 that I have. Yeah. That is crazy. That's going to make them even faster? rather, that are wider. So I think Long range and improve your car's suspension, brake system, aerodynamic capabilities, and Look how beautiful that looks, though. I'm saying all this, but I really love

18:05 and you really like it because you like them that are slow but I don't know why Jonathan Ward didn't tell me that that existed. from the 4-cylinder that comes with it. Or is it 6? Yeah, I had a 95 FJ80, Oh, really? because I have those excellent off-road tires, but when he does get to see snow, but if you know what to look for, From the show, I have to purchase it,

20:45 They had to convince to then sell it to them to give to me or to sell to me. Fully clothed for the sauna. He does a great job with different accents, too. He has a traditionally, classically trained Shakespearean actor. That's him and his voice. I hit the button and I was like, ah, this guy sounded really old. This guy didn't sound right. So I just start listening to samples

22:52 Oh, that's nice. Did he get a chance I think he just looked and the first one ooh, when I first found out that you guys were going to do an Amazon series, So that was, I mean, it's an issue. okay, we're going to put a blocking force here. We'll have the predator over here. The AC-130 is And then the actors bring something to it, too. I don't think so.

25:34 It should, yeah. Yeah, but they had to have read the book. And people who have read the first book in particular will know the ones that we're talking about. they're only making things for people in la and new york and forgetting about the country in between How is that real? Yeah, yeah. I like how you're dancing around what it is, that it's being shoved down their throats.

28:18 Isn't Daily Wire doing that? oh boy don't fucking compare anything to the holocaust and then they fired her but i don't at the last UFC. I haven't seen it, but man, the trailer looks sick. And we were partners in this. She was saying that she did IDPA stuff down there, so mostly handgun stuff. Hey, we're going to be partners. She's a scary lady. we beat a bunch of other people uh that had some military background and stuff like that but the

31:33 Oftentimes when she's in camp, when she goes to places, She is focused. but it's a, it's just super cool. I mean, in the 80s, we go back. Right. You know, it's just so many great things. story such a great story how all that all that came about and we didn't let You know not nor known for for being a bastion of conservatism, but it seems like at least in

34:18 You have to show the character and good nature. and Simon & Schuster first read it, talking about a her thanked in the back and the acknowledgement section of Brad Thor's books and Vince Flynn's So those are like the three notes and that's it. And he said, do you remember what you did for me in the SEAL teams? I'm like, no problem. Who's that? And he said, Chris Pratt. So, and Chris Pratt was the person

37:02 it was only really Guardians, I just have this connection with him already. and put it out there and you really focus and really dedicate yourself to creating the best And he got it at the same time Chris did through another buddy. killers before that, uh, training day with Denzel Washington, which obviously is incredible. just salt of the earth in the dark gritty primal violent nature of the novel so any changes had to be rooted in the dark, gritty, primal, violent nature of the novel. So any changes had to be rooted in that foundation.

39:40 Look at that. Call of Duty Rex right there. Right there. He was so great in this. But all these guys are just fantastic, And obviously me and Antoine right there. into these sort of stories of similar things realistic versions of that. So my call was to service in the military mission and putting those two together to give you purpose going forward.

42:15 And without them, this would be a very different show. But they were there every single day and they were so invested because we're all so close. And I went out there like five times for a week but nothing like that for this. It was all based on the gear that we actually use, Yeah, I think it was. is that initiated by the producers of the show, the network?

44:06 But they just knew how important it was. Antoine wanted me involved. So they connected me with the showrunner the first week that he got and Showtime and HBO and Hulu and Apple, because it's like they have some great shows, and they're kind of under the radar and they have Reacher now Richson and he seems like such a good guy. I've seen some interviews with him. Yeah, he seems like such a nice guy

46:18 Yeah. I don't know. You had what you had. Anne Rice's book had this very intense, brooding, romantic, evil character who was the vampire. So Maverick? Yeah. No! And that one's coming out too, so Maverick's coming out soon. Maybe. Those pictures are so fantastic. done an amazing job. Those people who have staying in great shape, Who else? hyperbaric chambers he sleeps in or something. Yeah. Maybe he did some sort of a deal. I don't

49:09 He learned how to fly helicopters so that he could do one of these scenes because you can't fake it. Yeah. keeps the scene going. Hits the wall, Well, yeah. Not just like, oh, I rolled my ankle a little bit. Ray Mendoza was out there with him working the shotgun. experience was how how easy it is for productions to go off the rail when it comes like it's a shock

51:24 They were in it, and they made sure that it didn't go off the rails and having those seals there and oh, let's do it again. because they gave it to the actor Does Antoine have any military experience or any... That wasn't sustained combat operations. And he's been a supporter of the military. in Afghanistan and realized, hey, some things are a little different here. Like the enemy is going

54:16 So does the muzzle fire go off inside the suppressor? little bit do they develop body armor that sort of a thing do they develop the tactics like how Let's get to work. little differently. And so we started adapting tactics around that. So do you do this in training? Do you adapt it in training? you have so many people involved, Right. That's it. You take ownership of it. I'm sure there are instances here and there of something

57:57 failures one of the reasons i'm bringing this up is one of the recurring themes in your books We had 20 years to prepare to leave Afghanistan. World War II. They didn't start in those positions. So they made it to those positions because the leadership. And we've seen that time and time again. We had 20 years in Afghanistan. There's same things. The Afghan military, we're making progress. All we need is we're meeting our

1:01:05 That's why anybody can look at the situation and say, why are we giving up this tactically advantageous position at Bagram? we have senior level military leaders for a reason. And their responsibility is to the troops. We had 100 special operators, CIA guys, on the ground in Tora Bora. was there a reason given as to why those requests were denied? I don't know if there's a reason,

1:03:37 for the real deep thinkers among us. word is wisdom. And I'm not hopeful that we're going to do that because we don't have a very good track record of that. So bringing it back to what happened post-World War II, big part of american history a lot of people sort of they go they go world war ii vietnam right and 50 over 58,000. World War II. When we think about World War II, we think about it as the good guys versus the bad

1:06:23 But something shifted and I don't know exactly what it is. What do we have after 1947? to ourselves really in this country. That last book, In the Devil's Hand, I put myself in the out. But it's sad to think that we've lost this appreciation, I think, for what They can make peace with what they did there. and she sat at it. There's one guy, Jack Holder, who was on the airfield at Pearl Harbor.

1:10:02 and he jumps up, runs to the edge of Pearl Harbor right And a lot of them, it'll be their last trip. It puts things in relative terms. And for me, it was in buds on the beach in Hell Week, you know, doing push-ups, getting yelled at, you're freezing, you're on the verge of hypothermia, people are quitting. Tactically, when they review storming the beach at Normandy,

1:12:41 that must be a part of it i can't remember exactly exactly why, but that must be, that must be it. But they have the gliders going in and oh my gosh, what a crazy thing to be involved in, just especially back then. Right. People can check me on that. and to go to Pearl Harbor The Longest Day, that old movie, That's shifted over time. an appreciative to appreciate appreciate previous generations and what

1:15:35 I don't remember who the Senator was, but there was a Senator, it was someone who was a politician is not what happened. And what we were involved in was essentially war crimes. And we did some because oftentimes that's all we have So that was another thing. So a lot less people killed in Vietnam, but you're seeing it every day. hey, you know what we need to do now?

1:17:46 So everybody had to have blackout curtains in their house on the coast. Those body counts are coming in, so you have that part of it. yeah and yeah and we got we did there were there were I think it was I'm gonna But what do we have now? Yeah, it's just there's so much out there and there's so much information and there's some there's just so much time has passed now and there

1:20:14 accountability or lack of accountability, I should say. There's still accountability for of mass destruction. We had to get in there and we had to stop this before it became another at it as a deterrence, probably. So that comes into play, too. So I have to, it's very hard for sort of a feud with that guy i want me to take you use the military to take that person out

1:23:11 the war. And I'm like, man, I don't know if people would be willing to accept a coordinated lie that We have to be proactive. Yeah. that don't support it. So I have to think that they're acting off the best intel that they had right when you follow up 20 years later and you look at the kind of confidence that people have and the military's ability to make the correct decisions,

1:25:55 in the next theater of war? Not very much confidence there. We have proven that we are what? It's full of a family. Like these things are so difficult and they have to live with that for we're building up an entirely new government. So, and those lessons and those senior level leaders, And well-armed. Like the gyms that went up all over the place. Why didn't we blow them up? Well, I think we thought they were going to remain in place as the army that we trained up for the last 20 years.

1:29:15 And you could extrapolate that, oh, probably every province is going to fall. And then if things aren't working out, they're the last people to leave. So that's one. So you we saw people hanging on the side of these planes as they're taking off. You control that thing And I didn't get a good answer. counterinsurgency campaign in another country. So I was asking about that. I was thinking about it

1:32:08 Essentially maybe taking over Bagram. Or what they do with the Uyghurs. And hey, where are all these chips coming from that also run our defense establishment and run all our phones? that they wouldn't want the demise of America because it's crucial to their economy So now you have this company that's an American-based company. and some of the things that we rely on to run mom-and-pop businesses across the country?

1:35:15 Oh, yeah. couch and talk about what world that our kids are inheriting, it's a tough one. That part is scary. It's not. Isn't that crazy? Look at him. Like, that's a computer. How much access do you have for what's possible? out that puzzle. Same thing with this. And the people that I talked to, they all told me that, What did you just pull up, Jamie?

1:39:12 show you what we can do so they spied on the CIA and the NSA so American phone work hand in hand, is for the governments and the businesses of this country to work score, which is something that everybody was very terrified of during this COVID thing, when they We get accustomed to it. And we know this, right? Everyone knows this. So why is it so, why are people so reluctant

1:41:44 Yep. the general history of what happens when people do this. Yeah. Yeah. And this marketplace of ideas and this debate and letting the best ideas They make a lot of money in politics as politicians. And this is that term that people don't like because it's kind of like almost like fictional, no judgment about who he is as a politician, but just as a

1:44:49 for controlling the access to that who gets to decide what gets spied on what And now a lot of us are tied to them for business. It's almost like they're trying to get you accustomed to censorship, like random censorship. That is the craziest part of all of this, is that our stalwart defenders of the First Amendment used to be lawyers, used to be publishing houses, used to be magazine editors, used to be newspapers, used to be politicians.

1:46:36 How did we get so short-sighted? but even if you saw some of the interviews on the streets of Odessa, of Kiev, you saw people not thinking that the Russians were going to invade. And they had these on the street, culture that plays into it. And we have this comfort that, hey, if I call 911, someone's And that it's too complicated to think about all the possibilities for the average person.

1:49:02 just choose to dismiss it. And we're so distracted. We have our work with us constantly. It's in our hand constantly. You're not focused on what you need to do to move forward, to be a prepared citizen, a good citizen of this country. Even if we did have the inclination to do so when you see something like quantum computing by these tech platforms that have so much power concentrated in such a small number of people.

1:51:19 have a different perspective. And they don't welcome free debate and speech and will actively a drink or having coffee. I mean, there's a picture of Ronald Reagan going out with the I'm going to have to go back. Yeah. or allowed to be distributed or curated. Yep. Yep. It wasn't opinion based. It's like, who's the number one guy on the right? It's Like commentary on this stuff. Well, sometimes just asking the question gets you

1:55:36 Because they're staying in power. They're staying elected. It gets them another term I think a lot of that stuff is keeping them alive maybe. Yeah. It's strange. Right. but he came from nothing. And I love that. He says, I had all the disadvantages necessary for What do the politicians create? He's one of those guys that's thinking at another level, obviously.

1:58:19 He does. Yeah, we were just there, actually. My buddy John Dubin invited me to be a part of it. So relaxing. But I'm like, by how much? But then you have another fucking disaster. Those things are pretty fast. Axes, too, are the fastest thing I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. They would have to be a cat because nothing else can catch it. Those are pretty fast. Yeah, those things are pretty fast. Axes

1:59:39 They're pretty quick. Because, you know, elk would just hang out a lot more. There can be a lot of pressure depending on what's going on. And isn't it interesting that the animals that are the most difficult to get are the And even like fish, like salmon. Wild food. axis, all moose, all elk, and that's all the kids ate as well. And so we got to be friends.

2:02:25 Anyway, it'd be fascinating to sit down with him and Elon Musk. Yeah? I do. They're not, you know. And Rapha says, I love the game, and if you love the game, You're not going to win. You've got to put in the work. And that's amazing. which is a crazy way to think about it. fighters from the 1990s when the ufc first came around yeah versus guys like charles olivera

2:05:12 Which one is that? Oh, I appreciate that. And that's Israel Adesanya. That's a great fight. Oh, that's also Alex Pereira. That is a fucking phenomenal fight. Great card. Is that the whole fight card, Jamie? He's a big middleweight and strong as fuck. Hey, there we go. The UFC is awesome. Yeah, because you could hear everything. everybody had to be tested everybody was in a kovat bubble and we would get to

2:07:59 watching these world-class world championship fights. Some hated it. you know won the heavyweight title with no crowd you know I mean a very small amount of people in Like almost everything went away. camera, right? Especially they would tell you like, there is no way to stop this. They were like, the best thing you can do is stay Just don't mix those two up.

2:10:29 We put Hootin' Young by these Delta guys. podcast, reading people's books for the podcast, like all those things, it's just constant chaos. I need some of that Jocko discipline to get me into that routine. in these pages or listening to this? Because something I take very seriously is that time. do this. When you write, do you write for a specific amount of time or do you just write

2:13:08 They get up and they have that routine. He goes well, I didn't want to fucking swallow it and if you snorted it hits you right away Many times I have thought about Stephen King in the early days and some of the things that he did to keep writing. Yeah, it is like one of his novels. But man, that dude with cocaine and beer I think in Carrie, he was ready to throw it out, right?

2:15:18 you'd read him he's like holy fuck yeah I think he wrote against like could rent there for two hours at a time if no one was waiting. Plus, it fits the James Reese character. And so that's where most of this one That's right. we're asking questions. Hopefully we're taking past successes and failures and applying them So I wanted him to be someone you'd want to sit down and have a coffee with,

2:17:37 He's such a nice guy, but he could be that guy. surprised when they see this thing. I can imagine. Such a good dude. Yep. Yeah, yeah. He's a high school wrestler. family and he's just like he couldn't the terminal list i mean he is so good and such a good guy. Because he's in demand. But once you start it with Chris, it's got to stay. And that was kind of the penultimate thing.

2:20:55 And we'll see what Chris's schedule looks like and what Amazon's checkbook looks like for him. for being here I appreciate you take care bye everybody