Joe Rogan Experience #1848 — Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience You know, we all look up to you. Hold on a second. so that's probably what's happened there, man. There it is. And then comedians realized, hang on a second, we were just doing the comedy circuit and then wanting to be on TV. but not just that good and bad yeah good and bad we get your best stuff we get all your shit as Like when Trump came in 2016, I think it was, or 2017, only 2017, there were mass protests.

3:18 Country yeah, yeah, it's a country filled with pedophiles. Yeah, it's a country filled with pedophiles and stolen art That's one. And I was just like, wow. what I mean? Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, he is. I mean that's not really saying a lot. Do you know what I mean? Well? Like, I don't know if you followed the grooming gang stories from the UK, but basically we had a situation for decades where young girls were being abused in the thousands, potentially

5:39 We had one of the victims on our show, Dr. Ella Hill, a very brave woman, about race. Right? So so this all this stuff gets taboo even to talk about uh in in gets, you know, people feel very uncomfortable talking about this because it comes from communities like, you know, what you would say like Asian communities and white, particularly white working class girls and Sikh girls.

7:25 what's going on if the powers that be aren't going to represent you i will and that's when things and she got so much hate that she didn't want to talk about it anymore. So when we called her up She was presumably molested when she was young? They would basically prey on vulnerable girls. component you see what i'm saying yeah yeah and this is this is why sorry francis this is why this

10:05 When you say get back to it, get back to the idea. Right. That's an awesome scapegoat. he grew up in a very poor part of the North of England which is Wigan. Orwell actually wrote a She went, que coño es eso? And you know a lot of Latino people, particularly Venezuelans and Cubans, they don't like the left-wing man. Well, like me and Francis, right?

13:00 And my dad married my mom. I mean, you can make generalizations with caveats. like being born white this. But the aspiration to everybody being judged on who they are as an individual, it's quite a Just characterize them and judge them based on who they are as an individual. And suddenly there was this narrative like what Francis is talking about, as it turns out. And we were trying to understand where they were coming from. That's kind of the

16:54 We have more information than ever before, but we also have these very clear boxes that that you just you if you're a good person this is how you think and behave but you know and i'd love When did it start happening over there? to do a bit of teacher training and he he was teaching us how to teach boys. And he was like, you can't expect them to sit down and write like a girl could because they're different

19:47 already got enough challenges as it is and you know and that 10 and 11 the gangs are starting Because I'm telling you something, if you go into these schools or these places of learning, You've just got to accept that as well. want you to have all your apostrophes and I want you to get that done by half pass prove to me you that the boys bring and the girls bring?

22:18 You had 30 kids in the class. Fucking bizarre is that it's one of the most important jobs that anyone can have you're literally yeah you know and we just don't have that and particularly in the uk we don't appreciate mate, it's fine. that special teacher and he taught us Hamlet. Mr. Potter, if you're listening, artists. understand it i'm not going to be able to teach it because you're going to go to me, Francis.

26:06 No, you can't. supplementary income and because i'm a stand-up geek and a lot of it i used to do like joke What it means to take someone on a journey. and transitions to different positions and the hazards the most important thing is turning up and doing your best it doesn't matter how smart you are it Because it was easier. We were on the sidelines watching a rugby game.

29:32 And when you score, And not enough kids get that, man. It's so important. Because if you expect to fail, it doesn't surprise you. Learning how to think is a very difficult And if you want to create things, but you met Anton, our producer, It's complicated. that somehow or another if someone did well and encourage this different kind of thinking. I i think sorry to interrupt i think that's so

32:52 And it's not good. killing it, those people are all fuel individual member and when people are doing really well, especially like young people, Because it could also inspire all these other people Am I going to be that 45-year-old guy at open mic nights who can't get a laugh? who just sits in the corner of the green room, Even when he kills, he comes off looking more dead than he did before.

35:23 You have to have new shit. when i was starting out uh i the club that francis to help run, and I used to gig there a lot. And he ate shit did 10 minutes i did i didn't know much about was it new and he The only way it's ever going to get good, The whole thing's terrible. Go watch mine. They're fucking terrible. gift and you should be very fortunate feel very fortunate you know and still work hard at it as

38:45 They were saying he was the biggest talent they'd ever seen in the last 30 years He used to play last season at the worst club in the second division. You know, we kind of teach it to each other has been sort of distributed from in order to support them to pay for cleaners and stuff like that. And then what we did is we looked at joke structure from people like Carlin.

41:31 written by the same person and why? So what that would do is, because in teaching, if I'm just can't remember what the setup was um i took granddad out the other day. That was the setup. And then they had to romp punchlines It's got these two, it's got this duality of meaning. you can make the punch even stronger. He's a killer. But if the twist makes sense, if it has a logic,

44:12 If the joke was a lot, if they laughed, I'd analyze it. why doesn't it work, this joke? And together, we would work out why it was. And most of the time, particular supermarket, whatever it be. Okay, now trying to find links between the I don't care about interesting. We've all got stuff that's interesting about us. the most important thing because most comedy courses were like cookie

47:27 So the first half would be on theory, and we'd look at things like joke writing, you know, all the rest of it. national competitions, and they started to come through the schools that i was working in it meant that it freed up a little more time oh, are you going to talk about your stuff about this? And I'm not going to do my stuff about that. thinking there's something in that. And I played around with it. And it took me a long time

50:36 the uk got to the border turned around and went no no you're not coming. Door locked. But it didn't fall. Goodbye. Right? Yeah. classroom yeah it's in comedy T why did I stop teaching comedy because So they accused you of being right wing? No, no, no, but it's okay. Based on the fact that we talk to people Well, we were just interested And the gatekeepers in terms of getting on television and whatever is like five people.

53:07 acceptable. That's hilarious. I mean, it's the funniest thing about the entire thing because what is and isn't acceptable and that's how she judges comedy yeah that's hilarious yeah I can't wait to do the thing I'm about to do. It was April 2018. Why is it suddenly people claiming half the country is racist? That's what inspired me because I grew up in Russia where we didn't have this.

55:40 that was revolutionary, right? And I went, well, why don't you? You can't go anywhere. because then it's TV, radio producers, I wrote a joke, which I didn't have the courage to do until recently. And he would always say to me, mate, you've got to do that. admire him what about the rest of us right right right yeah yeah and so but look man we're sitting

58:56 You have to pay for the PR. A few grand, yeah. out the Edinburgh festival just to stay there and I was lucky man because what happened that year is You absolutely crushed it. I opened the file and it said, we have a zero tolerance policy on racism sexism classism ageism ableism homophobia these weirdos who were campaigning about, you know, the stuff that was going on in comedy

1:01:59 Yeah, so that's why I had a lot of attention and I sold a lot of tickets To get it approved. I have no disrespect to the ones that are funny. Ricky Gervais is fantastic. It started in America. it went back to those roots. So on a night you would get a juggler, you might get a mime artist, if you say this, is where people take contentious issues, contentious subject matter, like a Bill Burr, for instance, and they're playful with it.

1:04:49 either you get bad content you get a bunch of people that exist sort of in an echo chamber yearwood and uh he he was tweeting something and another comedian this is how fucked up the Yeah, look, I don't think Ricky is his character Derek But not really. and then he'll put on these comedians. Yeah. Titania McGrath. You could breathe. My heroes were Carlin and Hicks and, you know, for Francis, it's Pryor as well.

1:08:19 realizing that actually we need to stop whining It was horrible. It was not good. He was talking about things that he thought mattered and using language that people would You can't say Jesus you can't talk you can't can't say Jesus. You can't. They were pushing back against that. Do you know, I've started calling myself Foster Adamus, mate. Well, that's why I moved to Texas.

1:10:50 They enjoy this. We've seen authoritarianism. which was bizarre to me. You don't remember the history of what these people have done. where a a doctor is talking to the health minister and the health minister is forcing him trying to You know, here's the thing. we've got disease pretty much beaten. We're going to live these lives where we're, you know, going

1:14:34 and suddenly like 40 of the country wants us to wear masks forever it doesn't matter if there's it's we've been traveling around and having such a great time but I always I Everything is peaceful and tranquil. to hell for like a week oh no problem sure turns up at hell same thing girls booze everything you looking at it like tourists like you're coming over here and you've seen the

1:16:59 And that lends itself very much to comedy. So does freedom, right? particularly UK comedians, every time i come here it doesn't matter if it's new york if it's texas there's an energy about it And as Constantine said, of course there are trade-offs. everyone and everybody's happy for you to be doing well yeah that is not the Our family became friends with his family, and we've gone on vacations together.

1:19:36 And look, I don't want to sit here and shit on Britain because I came- to work with you it's we've been really inspired by this trip, man. People want you to go for it. Yeah, exactly. and most of my mates when I was hanging out there were black guys and i remember one of my mate going to me francis you're And I was thinking to myself, can you say this?

1:22:10 That doesn't happen in our country. There's exceptions. You're just talking about your personal frustration. You're the one who's pushing back. Because people get complacent. And they have this show called Kill Tony. There's a real way to make it. And many people have gone from own thing. I'm going to go out there and do it. that machine that francis is talking about and by the way him and i we both used to write for these

1:25:24 I'm just so grateful to be alive in this moment. And then there's also a bunch of people that, again, the crabs in the bucket thing. hang on a second yeah but this my last 10 years i've been following the rules what do you mean are the ones who motivate people to find ways around yes like because the fact that you know that made our life difficult,

1:27:55 Like, you know, there's still a lot of room for that positive energy and that positive thinking. times and there were moments where we were looking at our life and thinking, holy crap, You're right, Joe, I don't look it. Yeah. That didn't work. Yeah. Be around friendly, fun people and support each other. That's all possible. I don't know. Two people together and for whatever reason they have some sort of a problem.

1:31:20 and if we can encourage a sense of like, we work through anything we were going to be successful and we've kinds of crap. Why were you kicked out of studios? I think we interviewed, we interviewed a lady at the time called Posey Parker we just started this YouTube She said something really problematic. who campaigns for single sex spaces and stuff like that.

1:33:09 and me trying to ask questions Yeah, that's how it was. And that video is on 1.2 million views, we're going to ask you questions and challenge. and in this country it's the most third rail topic yeah it's the most controversial one in Number one. what did she want to be as a kid and the answer was a boy my sister who is the most feminine girl And they'll struggle with it.

1:35:54 consent. They can't consent, man. was going to happen? And the boy would look blankly at them and go, because they don't the name progressive it's always about going further and further and further and further. Well, it depends where you are. Sometimes you need a bit of progress. But the reason I say that it's going to destroy this whole thing from the inside is, number one, you're trying to deny basic biology that we all know.

1:39:17 We went through this. society where you were forced to pretend to believe things in public that you didn't believe in utopians, Joe. They believe But the problem is humans can't be perfected. No, we wouldn't because we would have evolved beyond that. you get people trying communism or ideologies of that type you end up with millions of dead because

1:41:38 is a huge amount of tyranny. Right. the soviet union was wrong to invade afghanistan he said in a private conversation one of his to live in now where people have a public view and a public opinion and behind this do you know how many comedians who used to hate us on the comedy circuit for starting trigonometry now a routine about religion. He was fired for sharing a routine about religion from a Billy Connolly DVD that they sold in

1:43:56 not an offensive comedian at all. An audience member reported him and he had the police that is soft tyranny it just is yeah we were talking about this kind of stuff on the podcast in 2012 when it was primarily Because that's what ideas do. And they have these diversity and equity and equality meetings. It takes people in the corporate world being brave

1:46:08 I'll give you the best case so think about what cancer does when it's when the body is weakened for whatever reason cells And then it bleeds viewers until what is left and has gone on to infect all these institutions If you believe that people should be made equal, made equal, this is where you get to. This is why what happened in the Soviet Union was trying to make everybody the same.

1:48:36 like accept. That's all you need to do And if enough people will do that, the barbarians are at the gate. which is one of the reasons they did what they did. Best case scenario, which may happen, and I'm enthusedhused for example by the unity of the west in the history of the world, and it always leads to one thing. ideology start to streak ahead eventually you're going to have to say that we can't keep doing this

1:52:30 on a second that's what i'm hoping for is that we come to our senses a collective coming to our people being canceled, people losing jobs for pursuing a quality of outcome at any cost, that bothers me. When I see people being free to pursue science. And if we can't agree on what a woman is, biological fact, we're eating our civilization from the inside. This is very dangerous. We've got to push those extremists to

1:55:10 A lot of people are angry. is the thing Yeah. They might make you feel that you have the answer, unfortunately that is part of the human condition now you can put steps in place to minimize it and all the rest of it, but you're And he went to me, well, I mean, things are tough, Francis. Could you speak up? your career. And in these towns, the only people that lived there because they were so remote were the people who were former prisoners of the camps and the people who were former guards in the camps,

1:59:32 It was for a greater good. person. You're not a good person. I don't care why you're doing it when you're smashing people's businesses up you're not a good person and ideology is what copy of one of the two bombs. and tell people that you're going to rape them and kill them you're not a good person and this is what i always say to people don't be that thing don't be

2:01:56 because I don't want people to know who this person was. And I went, what do you mean? that i hate about this ideology is they say that they're doing things to be kind. And if they don't shut up, you are going to take everything from them. about to interview matt walsh and talk to him about it bro that is the most terrifying thing Like someone who identifies as a woman.

2:05:30 I get it. It's existed throughout time. You're an adult go for it right Right. I accept people for what. Right. Prisons. or deny people rights or anything like that. But there's a difference. Do you think it signals a pivotal chapter in this whole thing Truth, at the end of the day, this is the one thing that – have you ever read The Gulag Archipelago by Solzhenitsyn?

2:08:33 It depends the censorship that is going to hit the internet. Well, we see it on YouTube, right? That's the most dangerous word in all of this, because once you change the meaning of words, once you say the words are violence, well, I'm entitled to come and bash you over the head with a bike lock. freedom and she said I just want to recognize that your statements are transphobic and they open

2:10:12 I just want to say, like this mocking, condescending, shitty attitude. And I have this moral high ground. We are on the right side of history. we don't have to engage with you. government, my grandfather was murdered when I was 31. His murder was never investigated, overthrow them and we must take from them and distribute to everybody. Sound familiar? Yeah. And in the Soviet Union, the groups that were, you know, the privileged were

2:13:26 They genuinely are. Crime goes up. Surprising, huh? Yeah. So, you know, Francis and I, you know, we had the conversation That's what they're doing. They want the stability. Right? it's up it is absolutely terrifying that you see these people and they're saying these mantras. That's not to mock them. that you are a woman And they were talking about this very issue.

2:17:05 Yeah. doesn't mean what safety used to mean we had an mp a member of parliament a member of the most I think she. If you change the meaning of words, you're changing the meaning of laws without passing new legislation. all. It means people who think the same but look different. That's what it means. Most people in England or here in the US don't know what's happening in other countries deep inside, right?

2:19:49 believe that through discussion and scientific research and scientific progress, we get better, And 35% of British people are ashamed of their country. But my worry is about the shame, particularly in Britain, where it's less so in America, I think. Yeah. But let's try. Let's get better. suddenly you feel that people that you don't even have to make a joke the

2:22:12 and at the end of every gig because they've been live your life to have the handbrake on You have to be better. of stuff when the reality is and i really believe this most people are honest decent and here's the We're just drilling down and our is even on the internet, man, Yeah. disinformation yeah and we later learn that it's true i don't care that it's biden or that it's

2:26:17 that they thought would be a problem. That was unacceptable. Once you start fucking with the system. The last time we saw something like this was the printing press, but it's far more But this isn't, I'll just make this point. political advisor and they worked their way up. It's not just big tech, It's a complicated problem to solve. all lean left. There's no real balance.

2:29:13 That's true. actually than either of us does on that issue he's like an absolutist no libel laws no this no that for Holocaust-denying comedy material? Yeah. Okay. that you disagree with, were celebrating you know count dankiller getting arrested this guy you know the nazi pug story long before they wake up and they're going to use them against you and once that happens we're going

2:32:41 And we did a bunch of TV together. of what they're doing. there were people in the camps who who only realized the problem with the and that this is kind of the only way you can have them. to go along with it at work or at school it ultimately will lead to a far more seeing the humanity you can have a friend who's conservative you know we employ you know christian

2:35:41 And we're not looking to employ anyone right now, by the way. And he was telling us that when he was, oh, well, you know, BLM happened. youtube video so we put the word out um and we got a bunch of responses and we picked the best one And I have a lot of friends that are conservative. it's kind of died down because it wasn't effective, Or not necessarily gay rights, but, you know, he's very religious, and he doesn't believe

2:37:47 Yeah. But it's... But Joe, here's's the thing it's just an opinion exactly exactly and he's a brilliant intelligent guy and I love talking to him even And he's like, yeah, I know. That way it's never going to work. And our wives like it. and that we can't have a discussion. Your experiences and my experiences of life are fundamentally different. They just are. You grew

2:39:57 because, again, you're denying people their right I've got a friend who's on the Green Party side of things. decent people who care about this country. I think you would be, but by association, right? So, and like we said about Carlin and Hicks and is your lack of socialized health care. So that was my point about on the right even on the right they still disagree and some of them were saying things

2:42:49 and opinions than it is to form your own if there's a very clear-cut ideology that you can you smoke weed yeah Yeah. Is that? So we only smoke it when we're here. Our weed is better than your weed. it's so much better so I just go into the shop There you go. I think if there's anything that's going to change people's minds, get there to that place that you're talking about I studied a lot of

2:45:23 a course that I was doing with a woman. eyes and, holy shit. And she was speaking like this guy, right? So when I was doing this exercise stuff like that sometimes have a similar experience of deep connection with other people through this is like a sign of the times, the laws and the rules of the land. So it's clearly at the hand of man that's far more impossible than that.

2:48:31 but a brief instance it's so fucking short that most of the time you're just trying to figure out but his work is pretty clear. Yeah. You're not an atheist. Are you agnostic as well? because they say that so many people have attached it So to me, i worry about using that unites us and it's also the covid taught this. Like I said, we feel that we've moved beyond it.

2:51:47 have connection, you're not human. Yeah. You're part of the food chain. you know continue to innovate and continue to create and contribute to this thing that allows people to that i love doing like like trigonometry and and my son is born and i want to be present that's why Yeah, exactly. I feel that way as well. which is so crazy to think that it's a thing,

2:55:25 understanding of what languages and what thoughts are and trying to express Maybe we just can't figure it out because we're simply not capable. I don't know that. Yeah, that's a solid joke. That's a solid joke. I'm Jewish and even I couldn't do that. Yeah, that's a solid joke. if you believe in evolution, It's very important to understand that this is beyond all of us.

2:57:26 You have to think about China. don't understand man is we're bands of chimps yes we're bands of chimps until we make the ai I think it's real possible that artificial intelligence becomes the new form of life. It's not alive. It's just there. expected out of earth because that's all we've ever known. We expect these patterns will continue. I disagree thinking too high level, you know, what's gonna dictate whether it's

3:00:11 close. I think they're getting pretty close. haptic feedback vest and you put on a helmet and uh we do with my whole family and you you go into We're in like some sort of like there's like a combat fight. Yeah, this is pong complicated all the time. Yeah. And that is going to continue. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to blow each other up. You're right.

3:04:27 by an atom bomb for the first time in human history and it's happening your fucking city Yes. He would use them. Right. Yes. The wrong buttons might get pressed It's wild. The idea is wild. And the idea that the country has such extraordinary control over is bullshitting, man. I think that's their plan. And when you hear the government bragging about how much money they're sending over to Ukraine to help fight

3:08:50 I agree. So you're funding the war. I mean, if someone just attacked our power grids, I don't know. oh, you're at war with us? The entire time. And so that's what people there think. Oh, of course. Yeah, people are terrified in the UK because we've bought into this idea that the West has eliminated war And what it's saying is you ain't as safe as you think you are.

3:12:54 Human beings behave the way they behave. they called it the golden archers theory everyone's too fat to know. Right? that don't necessarily correspond to the reality. They might buy it hook, line, and sinker. New York. It's a badge of honor, you know? actually, is how We've heard that time after time. You know, oh, women respect. versus being a compassionate person.

3:16:31 Pull up Jerry Falwell. Like, he couldn't counteract this with a nice blog post. it and they really do believe part of it you know i kinderson was a religious man until he died You can listen to Kinerson's sermons. His brother wrote a great book about him. Right. So when everybody was going after Roseanne, I was like, hey, you guys got to understand,

3:19:38 You know what I mean? Yes She's taking Ambien, she's smoking weed, and she's drinking, and she's tweeting, and she's Podcast I had to tell her that chemtrails are not the government spraying things in the sky She listened to me. she could have talked her way through it easily. have transgressed there's no forgiveness i think she has forgiveness just not with networks i don't

3:22:33 No, I agree with you. down the line. What's the reward? Someone has transgressed and you're just going to kick the artist out the room? Yeah, that's a problem. It's a good song And that person was just like Play that song. in public. It public Good for people Then it's 78 100% don't know what he did, but I do know that the family doctor, Keep it going for a little bit.

3:26:15 that they used to do that with young boys. Especially when you get into like the Billie Jean era I think three million if I'm being serious. No, no. But if you were Michael Jackson's father, do you remember when he did that rendition of Who's Loving You? it wasn't just his voice the man's performance was magnetic he's he's the greatest of all time And he was this young boy.

3:29:43 all of these different people and he then watched This was a kid who was taken, He got taken over, he got taken by Customato He was 20 when he won the world title. He wanted to be something. but that doesn't that doesn't seem illogical. Joe, can I ask you something as like Well, I let him express himself, first of all. That's ridiculous, too. that's who won the title yeah who won the title he went up against a

3:33:43 champion, it was the most exciting moment in all of sports. That was the thing with Tyson. knockouts, spectacular knockouts. basis. They're trying to make every fight as exciting Really? You're gonna try to win. Yeah, if you're not gonna try to win you shouldn't be in the UFC more exciting fight because they want a bonus A lot of people were upset that Israel Adesanya's fight with Jared Kananir

3:36:20 He's an enormous middleweight. He can't just rush in and he's going to get tired. that shouldn't have been there and wouldn't have been it and that's what stylebender can do and when he's at his best when he's in there with You know how tall and long he is for the division. Henry Cejudo, I think, said it, who's a I see both sides. I really do. Because I see the side that it's got to be on a show and to do so you have to put yourself at risk I see both sides I really

3:38:38 not getting hit And they're right. They're all so small. He's a wild dude. And Jon Jones opens up the fight with a flying knee. you could say that he's the greatest fighter of all time. Roberto Duran, because Henry, Let's see that, and then we'll watch Jerry Falwell. That's right. This is Jerry Falwell. I forgot. Why R. Emery? cut I think it winds up stopping the fight yeah that is worse video just want to see the part where he gets dropped because it's pretty I think this is like

3:43:32 And then when he has all this time to recover, he comes back and he's okay. here it goes we're not gonna find it Waiting for the fifth round, suffering the fourth. Like, he's smaller Right? fucked. And so to buy They cut his gloves on purpose. They were very thin. They bleed all the time. and blah, blah, blah. No more rock climbing. arts where the whole goal is to damage people and then you have sports like football where you have

3:47:34 the guys that have been around a long time and they see the stories of the guys who commit suicide where they'll say, and they can make a quite coherent legal argument going, But you never heard it discussed until fairly recently, and it would be weird. I don't think this world is meant to be just living in a safe way. to be standing there on your trainer's shoulders

3:50:14 Yeah, they're warriors. The last place, ironically, that we could get into was New York City. It was a... See who that was. Really? But at the end of the day, the sport is to rob someone of their health by kicking them in the chest. with them like those guys can run like 30 miles an hour yeah and they're super athletes we all And I don't know if you know anything about rugby.

3:53:27 and they are developing dementia-like symptoms in their late 30s, early 40s. have it because it's going to throw up a lot of very difficult, very challenging questions, which would go far deeper than sport That's got to be what it's like. And a lot of these kids who play a lot of these sports, like Steve Thompson, he came So a lot of these guys, you know, it's the choice of either becoming a fighter or just being nothing.

3:55:56 a lot better than working in a fucking office. And maybe you can make 10 and 10 on your first What do you do if this is where you get your identity from? mean I hear their argument but let me ask you this are you Joe Rogan if Like I had Jim Miller on the show. We have fun. it comes to biology. Oh, really? It's real. It's just how much. Because it's that moment, you know yeah especially when you live in a world

3:59:31 It's hard. because I think, He's an assassin. If he came up to me and your motivation is to do what you do, mine would be to give him anything he wants. He's just relentless. Oh yeah, And this motherfucker See if you can fight. And then in the second round, he came back in the second round and just torched him. That just... That was the beginning of me giving up on fighting. I fought Man. That, that just. That was the beginning

4:02:13 you can get way too hurt in this. bad late to the point i don't know if you if you know this was back in the 80s. Michael Watson was a supreme boxer. And after that, they started changing fights to 12 rounds. they were just like drinking water yeah like it was like the 80s yeah nobody knew shit i think And it's also the impact it's having we all know what it means when a fighter goes into the ring yeah there's a very real possibility

4:05:29 it's the one thing that bothers me the most about the sport. Speaks fine. pacquiao fight or the juan memo marquez fight like he wasn't like stopping them the way you know I mean, he's a ruthless motherfucker. And he couldn't. Right. And Khabib is like that, Roger Federer. the moment he moved, Here's what I disagree with, though. Is that even possible?

4:08:55 But I mean, in tennis, like no one even counts your losses versus your wins, right? andre ward is another great example. And the proper, look, if you want to keep your brain and you want to keep your health and you know you got it right now and you did everything that anybody could ever do, But here's the thing. And you were like, I don't know. And he just decided after that fight, I think,

4:11:11 He said he would fight him for free if the fans could get in for free to watch it. Yeah. and he's been on this regiment for more than a year now. the thing about him is that fat doesn't affect how well he can punch. slugfests with him, and that's what Anthony Joshua Joshua, that combination is fit he's still got like a certain amount of that but if you go back to like the earlier fight like

4:13:37 Floyd knocked out. Floyd caught him with a left hook, He was fun to watch. What was so fun about him? there's something about them. He just slowly clips you and beats you up like little car accidents. He did. Joe Calzaghe was a beast. A lot of movement. Like when Hearns knocked out Roberto Duran, like whoo. A guy who had that that was really fun to watch was Prince Hamed.

4:16:02 He would dance. But it was super effective. about Nassim Hamed is that I don't remember when the last time he fought. Well, I think it's important to fact check that one. You think it was. Yeah, I think it was. I mean, pull up Prince Ahmed's career. I don't remember when the last time. me up. yeah and then he just That's just my brand. or thanks for being here.