Joe Rogan Experience #1851 — Chris Williamson Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! I've really enjoyed your stuff online. Thank you. became funny like comics that were like they're starting out and they just maybe as long as you don't have have some sort of a problem physically, and then you lean towards that. Yeah. But again, it's fucking lucky man And there's just something not there. But then you get someone who has all the things,

3:46 and he's right he's right like he apparently like you beat him in a game of pool he won't know a little bit about the coaching jamie's a giant fan he's he's jamie's a big golfer yeah so tiger when he was growing up you know he was i think at one and a half two years old he was Bob Hope and Jimmy Stewart. Two? So the thing about Tiger that was interesting with his father is he would push him incredibly hard, say, these white people are never going to accept you on this course.

6:19 spend nearly half a decade out of the sport with injury because of how hard you've pushed yourself? It's a onesie, right? There's some expression like that. So you won't work as hard and you won't accomplish as much if you give into jealousy thing in the world. So you can find things, even in people that you think are problematic human beings, Like, what is this weirdness?

10:35 Yeah, well, I think collectively they do. Yeah, very much a scarcity mentality. the end result is that people just aren't that supportive. And if you start to deviate when They probably don't believe that they actually have a capacity that they can go and do things. Especially in a generation now that is the first one ever that's doing worse than its parents. That's going to cause a lot of people

12:57 And getting onto the property market at the moment is pretty difficult. something that makes them feel innate and of themselves, that doesn't feel like it's helping People don't have to worry nearly as much about getting ill, about getting injured. But in terms of, like, a social safety net, like, it's not that good like in america i don't think in that

15:45 taken care of like food and shelter, like maybe that will give them whatever extra motivation But if there is a social safety net, they don't. They start looking to billionaires. basketball. And then you're going to have Michael Jordan. And you don't get a Michael Jordan without massive amounts of effort and time. And that's the same thing with capitalism.

18:07 It was kind of hot. homeless show up. So in the UK, I've been a club promoter for 15 years, right? At 2am in the morning, the only people that are out are club promoters, for it. Maybe you turn to drugs that makes the mental health problems worse. and it just becomes a spiral. And whereas in the UK, step one or two that couldn't take care of themselves, and these people were pretty fucked up,

20:23 Someone that's in A&E, if somebody's having a fit, if somebody's having a schizophrenic attack. That's a lot of people. It's forced people to move out. My friend Bridget drove through Venice and she sent me a video from her phone and I was like, shuffling around and going into these hospitals and and and you know not hospitals uh shelters All about that elevator thing.

23:10 Oh, we'll stay downtown. Great restaurants. What's the price? Yeah, well, Portland's the worst. for defund the police. And he's tried to turn it around, his idea. But he was faced with the reality of these progressive liberal choices It's a show of loyalty to the side that you're on. But the problem with that is, at the moment, all of these groups are bound together over the mutual

25:59 right that we can get rid of? constantly looking on the outside who can we shave off it's the pew it's oppressed whether it's uh you know income inequality or it's the glass ceiling in the workplace or it's like we've thought like hey Yeah. It's not whether or not you disagree with something. She's laughing during the things you say. So a guy called Lawrence Fox.

29:15 decided to put together a pride flag that's all the way around You can see that way. Well why didn't they just do it where it's like that way that way that way that way like Oh, camp. which has gone super, super viral online. Yep. for obstructing arrest because he was, you're not following this rule. What did they, okay, wow. Yeah, England's not, that he was obstructing arrest. What did they... Okay.

32:45 But can't you have freedom of speech in the UK and not have all the guns? Yeah. You don't get outside of your lane. Good point. In all fairness. Very good point. Yeah. They've been passed on, they're inherited. Like China is probably the best example. No one knows them. which is just very bizarre. They easily could have. prepare for war, yesterday.

36:06 That is terrifying to me. knowing that China would be watching to keep some other sorts of restrictions and plans in place And then she, like, aren't you tested? So you want to signal to all of your people that are colorblind that I'm wearing a blue dress i think it's blind rather than colorblind oh is it maybe uh well i mean try Not anymore? but I don't know how much of that was.

39:20 demand shock. This may be triggered by various events such as financial crisis, an external trade shock, an adverse supply shock. So that's what's changed, that the United States used to define it as two consecutive quarters and now we don't anymore. And people have pulled it up on the archive. So a bunch of advisors, economic advisors, No. There's clearly an indication that that's what you would do if you were trained, but I think it's more mimicking

41:41 That's angry, right? Yes. Like all of the criteria of what's happening indicates a recession. And the reason, obviously, is that you've got midterms coming up and you need to make sure that is in a recession is not something that can be thrown at the Democrats. Right. not trivial because we've always used that term recession. And we've always used that term to define whether or not the economic policies that are currently in place and whether or not the

43:24 Right. But if you can't control the economy, you might as well just control by changing what those words actually mean. Right. actually, and the language specifically that you use, it's way more important than actually what's And because most people feel like they have to have an opinion on everything, because that's the world that we live in at the moment, but very few people can be bothered to do original thought and do the research.

45:12 can adopt those patterns of thinking and those thoughts. And instead of coming up with their Every one of them. And they think that they're justified in But they do have control over their Twitter. aspects of their life. You're either with us or you're against us. that I think America is stricken with at the moment. And it's not to say that there's not

49:47 And so they either ignore them or they push against them. In 2012, people stopped voting for the love of the side that they had and started voting for distaste of the other. when the news wasn't talking about politics. Yeah. Like, was it Trump? ball swole up, like, which is kind of hilarious. You know, She pushed back hard, which I thought was amazing.

52:54 group. They just join this other group that supports them. And one of the things that's I appreciate it. opinion of the Republicans. Well, the new variant for a person like yourself who's fit and healthy is not that much of a problem. It's people catch COVID and the flu at the same time. And there's times where your immune system is robust and strong, where you've been working

55:42 you just need to get boosted no matter what. Like children, for example. I've seen it firsthand with many of my friends' children. And there's a lot of evidence that points to the fact that they have misled people on the dangers, misled people on the results of their trials. in the terms of billions of dollars. So good and from someone that wasn't familiar with that

58:33 and psilocybin and stuff like that. And now companies, big pharma companies are seeing down the line. psychedelics who have escaped all of those positive benefits right we know that they become would start to invest in community centers and And it's changing their perspectives. Yeah. I'm just a person. I'm a person with my own ideas on things. And I'm not a

1:02:43 Something new has happened. It's not like a math problem. to have an abortion? And Texas has this crazy law. It's like six weeks, which is fucking insane. We don't have a Christian right in the UK, But yeah, I think. get myself to a sufficiently robust position to make one call or the other. But I think it's what Yes. so I might become a woman but I can never get pregnant at least in terms of like what science

1:06:20 Yes. Presumably, if you're getting rid of your uterus and it's still working, it's because you might be going through transition as well. i know that there's a trans autistic movement at the moment which are people who aren't autistic Right. But this is women. Uterine transplants in trans women. in Sweden in 2013. I want to find the people that are in support of it.

1:08:37 I can have your garage. in utero with the mother it's not just it's not simply just like a vitamin pill that you could Or, excuse me, it could be a father in the womb because men can get pregnant now. periods of time, it doesn't end up being very good for society. And I thought it would have an individual level, psychopathy might not be fantastic for the people around them, but

1:11:15 what are you going to do, go to the next tribe? It's one of the reasons why we are concerned about public speaking go from suburb to suburb, change your name, not use your social media profile anymore. Psychopathy, to be a clinically diagnosed psychopath, you actually have to have committed criminal acts. And there was this guy, this researcher, So the control group is going to be you're a professor.

1:13:14 I found a psychopath in here. I think, who the fuck are all of these people in my house eating my food? the biological determinants of being a psychopath and it not manifest. This was a fully functioning had all of the raw ingredients and it looked like he was psychopathic by the, what is it? The DNS? So I guess he contacted his spouse. Did he ask his spouse, like, what's wrong with me?

1:15:26 So grandiose narcissists are the ones who genuinely believe that they are better than everybody else. Now, the vulnerable narcissists are actually really dangerous. And the reason for that the grandiose narcissist, it would just be water off a duck's back. But they know that if they poke them a little bit too hard, that it would really, really hurt.

1:17:25 of empathy is one of the main insights, one of the main causes or determinants, sorry, that... a person's Reaction a thing it's not like you're taking them to a rape scene in a lab setting. There's always going to be an impact, right? An unnatural impact. And yeah, There's a lot of weirdness to getting accustomed to semi-realistic imagery that is not...

1:20:44 and how you've been raised. I think if you're a person that doesn't get a lot of interaction with human beings, Like, say a person like yourself, like a fully formed adult human being, nice guy, I'm sure articles and you're reading, you're laughing at horrible memes, and then you're playing violent between, I think, 1991 and 1994 in the UK. He invited them to be a part of this study. It's

1:23:01 And dude, the number, the amount of impact that our genes have on us But stuff like depression, alcoholism, all of this stuff is super, super highly heritable. But when you're talking about psychopathy, a lot of that is coming through. the version of, or the argument rather, that you get from the community that affect your choices because you say and do things that people

1:26:38 And maybe I should try to do the right thing. And that's free will. there's not a massive amount. to have his relationship with his father, his type of way that he shows up for his kids, the financial just felt like looking at negative role models is potentially a useful way to go about things like So everything isn't fully determined by your genes, right?

1:29:14 but there wasn't a lot. And it was me and this guy, Scott Scott that I was doing this gig with. No, they could be completely sober and have a good time. I've never encountered an audience like that where everyone was shit-faced. There was no, like, there's got to be a table that I could turn to with a rational group of people that are just out having a good time going, what the fuck is going on?

1:31:09 we were just going i'm never fucking going back there again because it's like you there was not things that i've seen on the internet it's a new campaign. Oh, is it from... with his fucking man bun. of the road. How does it interrupt your sex life? meat interrupts Tell that to 95% of the world who eats meat. What about vegetarian women? There's a lot of vegetarian women and vegan women that are disgusted by people who eat meat.

1:33:41 I think for some people, that's what they want. I would go to like, I'd buy Chinese food and I'd get like Buddha's Delight and I'd get all vegetables. and it was you had to weigh in the day of the matches and I won but I was very tired I was eating meat like crazy and I gained 10 pounds like almost immediately. Like within two months I was 10 pounds heavier and much better.

1:36:33 and making sure that I got my B12 in order, Yeah, much less. Pol fight's just been canceled. You see that? Yeah. And that's been canceled because his And if you want to make money on pay-per-view, Nobody wanted to see that fight, except Jake Paul's family and his friends and his fans. I've watched him work out. Keep an eye on him. did it. He knocked him out like a

1:39:57 And even though Rahman is a Hasim Rahman's son and you know, there's, there's legacy to that. Maybe, maybe, No, it can be because of originally an injury, funny the way he acts, like what he's done is really kind of amazing. Cause he's like He can fight. he can just erase it, boom, with one right hand. And he almost knocked out Tyson Fury. Just a better

1:43:39 I think there's a real good argument that you need to start early because Tyson Fury obviously started early Deontay Wilder didn't but also Tyson Fury's six foot nine I mean the physical gifts that he Like that was, I think, for the third fight. You know, it's like you're around people that are fighting all the time. But also, Jake Paul's 200 pounds.

1:45:20 up a fight with him and Canelo. His name is Arthur Bitterbeev. He really was fighting at 154. Very good. He's just pursuing big money fights at a weight class that it's not his natural weight class. told him to take two years off of boxing I mean, punching someone in the face is everything, but footwork is next to that. Look how he did that. I mean, his ability to move his feet is paramount.

1:48:52 up he i mean he moves off to either side equally effectively too so if a guy throws a right hand yeah it's just a big and also lopez super fucking talented on his You want to fight me come to me come down here? 100%. Well, that's not going to help you And he says this in between. Yeah, give me the other bottle, the one I mixed. Look, to be clear, Aaron Pryor was a really, really talented boxer on top of this.

1:52:46 i'm pretty sure he died recently oh shit yeah but he had a uh a real problem with cocaine masculinity at the moment it feels like there isn't a very firm place very much for men to It's always going to be something that women are attracted to. They you know, they'll they'll tell you they want that but they don't what they don't want is all the shitty things that go along With it, you know

1:55:38 considered as uh conscripts that needed to go into the into the army there was no question about what Yeah, well, I mean, the masculinity thing, argue this really ridiculous point about rape and he said do you know that most of the victims of It's hard to know from the masculine side like how many men have been raped that are underreported The problem is the men, right?

1:58:19 the exact same level, what are you going to compete on now? is to institute a universal basic income. Well, people start competing on crazy things. Where men compete based on who can grow the biggest yam. is, you know, what what country is this papa new guinea the oh well that place is a real problem you know And in their culture, The six-stage process of affirming one's manhood can take anywhere from 10 to 15 years until these young men father a child.

2:02:25 differs from our conventional understanding. is seen as an integral part of manhood because boys are unable to mature into men through the ingestion of semen. and that these are big deals. things because that's what they would have gone out ancestrally we're going to take down that mammoth me you jamie grab spear That's a brothership. When you're talking about people

2:05:40 you don't see that much in female relationships That's people that have gone through something where they've proven their worth and value. I would agree. So that means that sometimes worse situations can be better than better situations. that's got some mold on the ceiling, but it's not too much mold and whatever. who was always like nitpicking and fucking with you and and, know you know how it works in office environments and

2:08:54 But if you were conditioned to it, if it was a normal part of your life, it was just, hey, the activation energy isn't there to kick yourself out of it. And I don't know what the answer is. Actively going out of your way to sit in a hot, circular, But that's where a lot of people are. Well, it just seems like it's too, for some people it's attractive and they go, I want to do that too.

2:11:32 doing that, I developed this strength and perseverance. And some people hear that and You're like, I don't want to walk. It doesn't have to be grueling. in the way that modern culture might tell you that you're supposed to. time doing it, but it felt like there needed to be something more. And I went on reality TV, It hadn't answered any of the questions that I had deep down

2:14:32 And that still didn't satisfy. Okay, like there's something wrong with that. of self-worth to everybody else. I was playing a role, right? And it's kind of like, I didn't feel that might have the answers like hang on if i'm getting this from listening to other people's you mentioned about listening earlier on. to what other people were thinking about me.

2:17:17 about how to engineer human DNA so that it can survive space flight because there's tons of radiation. it reminded me of the direction that I was going in. whatever fitness exposition and it's all of us with our tops off lifting weights and fucking about and doing stuff this that i'd put up and all of the who did you sleep with last week or what's the girl that knows your

2:19:35 with those previous values has been a big deal for me. Well, it's a beautiful thing that comes I always use the analogy, found some things that you thought you were supposed to be interested in, but they ultimately proved to be hollow and not satisfying. great friend. And to be a great friend is very valuable. And to be friends with people that are

2:22:15 Who knows how many people have listened to your conversations with people and developed a newfound perspective, him. And you can either be that attaining it is a proxy. It masquerades as value. So Naval has a quote that says, but I feel like a lot of people still need to learn this firsthand. You know, how do you have There's a certain amount of really stupid decisions

2:25:11 on and then they run into you having conversations about the shallowness of these pursuits and over the far side, like, that was useful information. But now, because we've got so much such an affinity with the stuff that they consume and this is why the the the fans and the audience And if you have negative friends and if you have negative interactions online, and one

2:27:46 and a lot of these places, unfortunately, because of our nature, they enforce. Because it's not Their actual life, the people that they interact with, the thing they choose to do for a living, But I mean, I guess so does every online community. It's all of this stuff on both sides. So there's a bunch of groups within the manosphere, right? Red pill, black pill, MGTOW, incels, all of this stuff.

2:30:34 divorce and stuff like that. And what's happening here is they've got the simulacrum of a community. satisfaction, but long-term would have given me incredibly different outcomes. It's a part of what we're doing. why the worst punishment they can give you in prison is solitary confinement. We need each we retreat into ourselves, into a kind of walled off garden to protect ourselves from the fearful ills of the world.

2:33:17 Or you see this with the body positivity movement, Basically, if you can't win at a game then you They don't want her to lose weight. You know, they think or in spite of the fact. the fact that they haven't done that bit. over their mutual despondency at this fact. And the problem that you have with the Black Pill was female and her eyes lingered on them for more than they thought that they should have done and

2:36:59 Therefore, I don't have to. And you realize like, oh no, what have I done? There's two types of responses to that, right? But you're also highlighting two options. fucked up. But course correcting is beautiful. It's important. It's important. It's a part of And that ultimately there is other ways to go about living your life that would probably be better.

2:40:37 like, hi, mate, bye, mate, how are you, mate, blah, blah, blah, was that the persona was contrived. I didn't actually have a truth. because that would be admitting that all of the models that I'd created were ineffective somehow. all of the different pitfalls that are going to go across. That sounds like I might have had a blind spot here. Because ideas, you can have a thought that is incorrect

2:42:52 Did I look at it in a shallow way? your head all throughout the day. But if you don't base them on absolute reality and truth and honesty, I think a big part of this is that if you are to admit that you're wrong, adhering to a very specific thought process when it proves to be inaccurate, ineffective, unproductive, you're going to And everybody knows, everybody knows deep down that this person's still doing a grift or still doing a shill of some kind.

2:45:52 where you're saying these things and you're consistent with it. And how I can sort of like live life in a more compatible and cohesive and satisfying way. held to a rigorous standard is that if there were any breaks in my thinking over time, whatever it is that you want to talk about. Do that. Because so few people are able to have that I'm talking about today. But even just on a small scale with somebody else, I think having

2:49:12 You're never going to have an environment in today's day and age where you sit for three hours with no phones and just look at each other and have a conversation. Yeah. But I mean, you can create a community of people around you in that way by curating the content that you consume. lots of exclamation marks, you got this wrong or whatever. If I get an email or a DM from somebody

2:51:31 genuinely care about the creators that you listen to, you can help them be better. If you think this you actually need to do something that shows that you've taken more time, more care, that you're damaging that person and then in so doing, you're propping up your own ideas. Unless they're so fucking preposterous, I think, that it's necessary to get a little bit out there like CNN anchors

2:54:12 started the show? Very little. Really? Very little. Before the show, I was like, fuck him. He's a It's just, you just can't do it. and you internalize them Me and Malice and then war. for a conservative party conference. we will not be deterred, we are not to be pushed around, and blah, blah, blah. But that story, you have to be lucky every day. And I think that realizing just how easy it is to change,

2:57:15 If you haven't lived a consciously designed life. the things that you don't actually want to do for yourself and that's why it's scary work it's scary correct. The more you develop responsibilities, whether it's a family that you have to support You're going to have to do a lot. unless you make it change. are that way. We're not born into this job. This is not something that was bestowed upon us by

3:00:18 still I like the fact that they're out there Yeah. Holy fuck. what you're looking to do. But I think that when you think about how locked in to people's lives that have made huge changes in their lives. before it becomes too entrenched, You can improve your situation, on your back and making it harder to move forward. Yeah. It's because people's opinions are so highly,

3:03:49 You don't know what you're going to think next. and you couldn't predict what they were going to say next, You know, I've talked to so many people that have started doing yoga and they're like, oh my God, What would the world be like if you showed up 1% better? So I learned about Salvador Dali and just how weird that guy was. So Salvador Dali, He once got locked in a deep-sea diving suit

3:06:42 Yes, serious facial hair. accept it like by royal decree or something. of his truest self, How am I going to be a better Joe Rogan than Joe Rogan is? The best that I can hope for is No one's ever fallen in love with someone and said, you know what it is? Like, we want people who have unique skills that cannot be matched by anybody else. because they haven't done anything that shows them that.

3:10:33 of all this data is what makes you understand what is unique about you and who you are. But But that's why I think difficult pursuits are so important for humans. you've got to find a thing. all those things you got to get through something in life to acquire them and it bleeds into those The way that they show up for their friends, the fact that they turn up on time, all of that stuff, the tiny, tiny, tiny little things.

3:13:39 I'm going to get to. But what they don't understand is that any commitment that you make is a step in the right every single day for two months. Yes. You can't be the leanest person in the gym whilst starting a new business, You also end up like commentary is kind of conversation and comedy is kind of conversation. of the time, we believe that we can do anything that we want to do, be anything that we want to suck at because a lot of the time we believe that we can do anything that we want to do

3:16:31 to wanting to be the best father that you can be, but I'm prepared to suck at that because these are the things that I genuinely value. and remember as well, this is something else. I wonder whether you had this. And bad things feel like they're going to last forever, which makes you despondent. change over time and that could go into iterate, I think that's quite an important realization.

3:18:51 I would try to be a professional pool player. just enjoy them and treat them as what they are. What they are is they're sort of a replacement It needs some sort of difficult thing that you have to overcome. I went on a hunting trip once with my friend Brian and my friend Steve. It's like constant rain, and we're sleeping in tents, right? I've never been happier. The sun is shining on my face. I feel so happy. It's amazing

3:21:40 chemistry and make you happy. And like, yeah, maybe. I mean, I don't know what's I'd feel ashamed about the fact that ostensibly there was nothing wrong with me. that was G-ing everyone up, and we've got this DJ, at 4am two to three nights a week. Right. Dude, the first stable sleep and wake pattern I ever had I was meditating a lot and doing stuff.

3:23:56 every single one of those are mountain built and layers of paint yes every single time man and I love it. Tell people where it is. I'd love to have you on whenever you're free. Okay.