Joe Rogan Experience #1857 — Seth Dillon Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. comedy from like a conservative perspective i guess um. Adam Ford's the guy that founded it. dominating it nobody was no answer to that that's a good question I mean so And the people who are willing to make jokes that kind of sidestep those rules, they're meeting a demand. Yeah. And it's like, that's what people are going to find funny because it's like you're trying to hold people

3:16 Cheers, dude. About him sitting at home, you know, Why don't you send someone like me who says, I mean, it's a great bit, and it's totally punching down. A few of them. She's dominant. You can't look at it. They had several that they picked for women of the year. It's like the delete button says, you know, you acknowledge that you engaged in hateful conduct when you click delete.

6:19 Is this funny? you know, my friend Morgan Murphy is kicked off Twitter forever too, but this is a real woman. whatever you're doing, The content moderation conversation is a big conversation that needs to be had. When you're talking about, like, well, what should these platforms be concerned with I mean, obviously, you know, there's a there's a there's a place for like taking that kind

8:45 So much of that remains in place. That's a little wild. or censorship? time before we had another one and, you one or a permanent suspension or something like that. which is wild. Which is wild. and they can do it. Right. And they're not just objectively disseminating information based on whether or not it's been deleted that joke. I mean, we haven't tweeted since March. We have 1.5 million followers. We

12:55 Those are exact words. along with a system where, you know, they say what they offer you is a platform for free expression. of truth to it. And you're not allowed to say that on Twitter. So like, I don't know, I feel instagram is you know instagram facebook we've had plenty of issues with them with, like, getting flagged for, like, inciting violence with a stupid joke or misinformation.

15:16 and upheld the ruling that it was incitement to violence. purchase twitter um he hasn't talked about it publicly but i know he had a real issue with it I mean, I think these platforms are the town square and if know what the response to that is. I don't think the response to that is let's get the government Then you're gonna get more angry, more people to feel isolated, disenfranchised,

17:59 And so they were too easily criticized. that's essentially what they're with their policies are doing well and you So like Reddit stopped allowing you to call this behavior grooming and then the other ones kind of followed suit. understand why you would throw the baby out with the bathwater the band ok Well, okay, so if we're talking about you're just, if you're just watching this on Twitter and you see it and you say, I think

21:02 Right that's that, look, This is not what we want. OK, I'm like it's a criticism about somebody's behavior around kids. It's not the same thing. And these people are going into women's locker rooms where the massage, what, the massage place? with like a teenage daughter. say hey look you know like i don't want my daughter seeing a naked man's body in the locker

24:40 Okay, so now they've, this is 2021. After the video alleging someone exposed himself went viral, Look how they write these things. Yep. Right. In truth, and this is the truth. Like who's who's on the outside there? free speech and freedom of speech and free expression have always been very important for sorting out what's right and what's wrong. And then they stop paying attention.

28:58 You're encouraging others to attack which is crazy, right? It's considered harmful healthy to be willing to laugh at yourself. I think it's healthy to be exposed to ideas that it's easy to make fun of a very obvious male that wants to be a woman yeah they they you know you would say about people who are handicapped like if you mock a handicapped person they're

31:43 were taking a look at the playgrounds in New York. and you couldn't really fall from any heights In some cases, I think you actually do more harm because you're protecting people from what? and there's a narrative that a transgender person is a woman and That is kind of wild. Trans people should die Right. a motorcyclist identifies as bicyclist and sets world record.

34:51 Are you comparing that to transgender athletes versus biological females? In fact, it's rooted in concern and compassion. You know, somebody just sent me this study. some other athletes that have started to dominate in those spaces, So avoiding males going through like if you're going to do this thing where you're going to the far ends of the spectrum

37:25 Right. And when you add in someone like who's the elite of males, you get a chance to see won't call you a her it doesn't mean I won't say whatever name you want as I And I just saw a woman on Twitter the other day. And I mean, no, I think she was 6'2. It's the outlier. and dominate them all, including the 6'2", 240 woman. There's outliers. Yeah, that doesn't work.

40:30 It's a fucking giant difference. You're talking about a funny meme? Yeah? Yeah? There's this narrative, this pull yourself up by your bootstraps. That can be fixed. with a lot of conservatives who are often criticized Christian conservatives are very And it's completely charity. woman's right to choose whatever her decision may be they're worried about other influencers

43:42 them to have a child and it's the best decision they have ever made in their life, and they love their kids so much. They couldn't imagine they were thinking about getting an abortion There are also though, And they're born of a rape. year old child. If a 14 year old like six weeks, four weeks, Well, I mean, if it's preventing the That's what the whole idea of it.

45:58 It's also real that sometimes these babies are born and they do, and they grow up to for women who've had unprotected sex or whose birth control method has failed morning after pill no no is intended for backup contraception only not as a Morning after pills do not end a pregnancy that hasn't planted. Okay. innocent human life. Therefore, abortion is wrong. And I don't think any of the,

48:25 Well, I mean, at some point you're going to have to say I think abortion is a very human issue I agree with you, Fantastic. conversation you know there was a story that came out recently that someone had medication online to end her daughter's pregnancy that information was gathered Is that six months? place where it's like okay that's a baby yeah this is not like a clump of cells that's an actual baby

51:17 like it's nothing when it's actually a human life. mocked religion like we we want to look at religions with respect and dignity whether it's That's important. about if you go on TikTok or Twitter or any kind of social media and you have a story like that where it's really, you know, if you're a man with a beard and you have blue hair and you say you're a woman and your teacher calls you a man or your student rather calls you a man.

53:34 There's a lot of love if you say that. So if you put that name is i'll call you whatever you want right fucking five year old doesn't understand this especially if this agree with is that what you of your religion. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. life activist probably would be yeah of course you would be it's crazy it's crazy how that works right yeah it's just human beings are a weird fucking creature you know and this is one of the battlegrounds of the two ideologies this is where they get together is with abortion it's one of the

56:45 because I would say, you know, I mean, that's tragic. You know, depending on where you land on this issue, you can say almost whatever you want. Is that correct? thing because this would give people the ability to make their own decisions without having the And so then you have someone who's forced into keeping their baby. they would have to move to another state.

1:00:14 period richard doc is once rick and richard dawkins once tweeted something about how a human meanings of human that are ridiculous oh I'm tweeting right did you reply to it yeah yeah oh I was having a Yeah, no, I see what you're saying, man. it's only funny because Bill is a genius at like carving out a perspective on things. Right. You because think about what you and I just did. This would be horribly frustrating to do through text.

1:03:38 is that you're right there with them. And so if I'm engaging with people on Twitter, I don't want to get into one of those things. But some people do. All of that wouldn't happen if you talked to that person in real life. I like talking to you. But in person is the way to do that. It doesn't fade away. Well, it's just like having a conversation, right?

1:05:58 It's just like a dumb thing that you might have said yesterday in real life. Well, I mean if you had something important to say yes It's the same kind of thing. And they don't see it that way. rather than keeping it in and holding it to yourself for fear of whatever backlash you Right. They'll tell you, like, we're trying to, like, speak truth through these jokes.

1:09:01 Do you know what a heioka is? He'd make fun of the children. And the tribe had, they had a philosophy that anything that could not be made fun of was bullshit. That's a good standup. That's a lot of comedy a lot of meme comedy is coming from that perspective right they're It's mockable. foundation or a philosophical foundation. They can't ward off bad ideas. Like they just absorb

1:11:30 that just write non-sequitur jokes. sure it works good that's the responsibility of the individual but it's not like we have a but Because it's so ridiculous. Right. That's the key. But Chappelle had already done that bit about Caitlyn Jenner winning Woman of the Year and compared it to Eminem. Then I have an obligation to see it through. The idea is to, I heard somebody define it as,

1:14:31 A lot of times you're just mocking the mundane and the silly and the deserving of it. what if Bill Cosby said sexual assault is only 3% of what I do? So we're making a point there that's not just like going for laughs. Right, and there's unspoken stuff that you can't talk about I think there's some sort of... You should be off TikTok. Right. They get access to other computers that aren't connected to your phone. Why does Apple

1:17:02 Right. That's where stories came from. like that yeah yeah hello it's like they all do that they all a bit The other things don't get nearly as much traction. It's not good for teens either. I talk about it openly. But that's how I deal with it with my kids. This is keeping kids from listening to rock and roll. We should discourage cuntiness everywhere, including cuntiness in comments, cuntiness

1:20:25 If you were having a fucking dinner conversation at your house with a couple of buddies, and leaves room for mockery, leaves the majority of their communication is on social media. But I don't know. This is the world your children are living in your troll Show them that, and they can apply that to all things in life. Right. Yeah are pharmaceutical companies.

1:23:37 And we're all cool with that. when they were younger, thought they were a boy How crazy is that term that you just said? That documentary was fantastic. He's just asking questions. And it actually got people irritated to the point where they wanted to kick him out of Right. and you might have to actually have a say on these things, you're supposed to have a fucking opinion on these

1:26:39 being a politician someone should just say isn't your job easier now because this is such a You can't make it up. It's hard to exaggerate. It's now 76. It's on my Twitter. And so it's like... Can you zoom any anymore from here? What is going on with these pop-up windows? Well, that's our article, and then the real story is over in the right column. Is that it?

1:29:31 we call it a partial fulfillment of a prophecy. Market doesn't always know best. That's not what it is. But it's not the same people making the same job like if they do the same work And we had a conversation about it. It's different jobs. Look at all the strife. succeed and it's not based on merit, it's just based on cronyism, then it makes sense.

1:32:29 They die on the job. towards too. Motherfucker, I listened to you while I'm at work and now I hate your ass. walking up on those fucking beams 30,000 feet in the sky. that's there too you know like men are men are like, men are making things work. in terms of like what impact it would have on society You have no idea what the fuck is going on in that box.

1:34:21 What? real quick. But you know, that's like teachers, right? Teachers are one of the most important most interactions that people have with rare. Unless you're hanging out in the wrong bars. But most of the time, people are great. know this idea that comedy is under attack. Our problem doesn't lie in criticism of comedy. they believe in microaggressions.

1:37:18 fucking dumb to a guy at the office, he should be able to go, okay, and just walk away. That I can't go okay It's the loving thing to do is affirm a compelled speech But they're compelling you to say it half of us survive, That shit could happen. towards causes that you support, the problem with that is that could be applied to almost anything. they believe is true and good, right? And the left also is going after what they think is true and good, but it's a moving target all the time. And so when the target changes, all of a sudden,

1:41:26 There's a lot of shit on both sides I agree with. That's not my point. Yeah. You're doing a great job. on over come on over and people get excited and then all of a sudden they have a completely I believe that human beings should have the ability to defend their home Right. like the vast majority of most people. They're good people. Yeah. It's that's that. I think

1:44:51 And dig into that, and nobody wants to. They become way more aggressive, way more conflict. see their perspective and try to find merit and steel man their perspective Yeah, this is this is a strange time because I think there's almost too much to keep track of. And it's weird because, because we're doing it for a podcast, it's like a way that we We do see eye to eye on other aspects of it. That is what I think most of the country is on most things

1:47:55 And I think what Twitter did is wrong. I have done more for Christianity than Jesus himself. Didn't me and Whitney Cummings go over these things? Like Trump never said this. Yeah, because he didn't say I've done more. you know everybody if you disagree with them on anything the label you far right that was the first thing that was canceled for it was like saying I

1:50:53 and all that shit It's amazing. I'm like, that seems like a good idea. And you need more hard physical things to do in your life. It could be a 90 minute yoga class If you think about people that come from like a really bad childhood They don't understand their human potential. You could tell, well, incentivize it how? you know. And then the people that

1:53:55 there's a comedian that's on and you've heard of him and he you're it's supposed to be a funny show They're funny or not. And that is what we're supposed to be doing. And this who who do you support? The person's going to lose their job? that's real shit, right? People have killed themselves for very minor attacks on Twitter. Well, you're certainly going to have better success changing if your goal is to change

1:56:24 That sounds more like fascism. It's going to have to do with state authority. control of a fucking social media platform. It's a control-based problematic thing that we've always agreed leads to horrible results. That's wild shit, man. It's part of the charm of those papers. He stepped away from Twitter his I mean, are we talking even unlawful speech?

2:00:29 What's wild about Twitter is you can show porn. It's in the language of Section 230. They don't have a problem with harassment either, by the way. at it and then they make this defense. And this defense is, this is not indicative These are real. into thinking that's happening everywhere around them. And then people who are not doing anything But they will lump themselves into it by defending those things.

2:03:28 they go in hard and they suggest- And defend, what are they defending? the blacks at the front and the white kids We did one, we actually highlighted one. Okay, but if you hold on, you see how terrible that would be if I treated you only by something that all feel about human beings. You know, your skin, your guilt, it's all about white guilt. You're guilty just because of your skin color for being white and you need to be quiet right now. But it's because of the history of slavery, right? That's how they

2:06:54 You should be judged as an individual. Yeah. I might have retweeted that. because I did read And I'm like, by someone Because children are very malleable, and you don't want that happen on your timing you want it to be look I've had I'm like haha, but it was me cracking a joke in class And if you're an adult and that's what they're going to get from you,

2:09:31 parents about this. Don't tell your parents about this. Come to me about these issues. You know, somebody that they can trust more than their own parents. Children are so malleable. They're malleable with religion. Bill Maher was talking about this actually recently. You know? year old seeing it because it'll influence the kid it'll fuck with you That's where it gets weird with people. Because if you're like a progressive, open-minded, compassionate person, and then you watch two professors having a conversation about kids under 13 should be forced to have sex.

2:12:40 I think it should concern us more than anything else, this effort to stamp out, I couldn't agree more. And I'm glad you guys mocked Trump because if you didn't mock Trump This is wild shit we're seeing in real time yeah and if you you tell me that's off the table you're out She was like, I had a very intellectual response to these images when I first saw them.

2:15:08 Well, people keep quitting. Maybe they just let her make her own speeches. trying to be themselves and tell you this is my take on things yeah you'll So how many people have left? of other times when people Oh, my God. I don't know. formulates her own independent opinion. She's very impressive A month later, a report came out that her staff had reached out to Hillary Clinton's staff to try to figure out how they could make Kamala Harris more likable.

2:18:48 now i mean if you just if she didn't get any public feedback you just get her honest opinions Benghazi, what possible difference does it make, Like you can watch it. And he barely reacts. Yeah. To see it, look, if you're happy that that person's gone and you want to express that in a Even if it's to the worst person, the worst person dying like that, like, that's not something that anybody should ever laugh at, even if it's to the worst person. The worst

2:20:59 a crazy way to react. It is a weird reaction. it was, how bad a look it was. It was constant. Like that. just like portray this uh this sort of uh persona of being a very happy fun person who's laughing a lot. That's good, too. Yeah, right, so there's that You want some? Yeah, I don't understand why we can't get more really good candidates, people that whether it's congressman good

2:23:15 have those jobs yeah yeah I remember in a gladiator when Marcus Aurelius is too. Hilarious. Right, but what did they— By trying him for crimes. Well, I think the problem is having it, right? Yeah, but do you think that's a genuine concern or is it they want to find something, I don't know but I but I think the argument would be if you're not supposed if there's a fucking a whole chain of command

2:26:47 And so even if it's just, even if there was something that was done that was wrong, I see both sides, though. after a subpoena, after a subpoena. I mean, imagine, imagine if Trump was subpoenaed for I saw a lady get maced in the face because she had a hat on that said, it was a red hat Well, that happened a lot at those You could say he's heartless all you want, but he represents the United States in a statesmanly

2:29:25 uh, It's like he's doing standup when he's up there. you know, that's a different role than being the fucking host of the man he's fucking wild dude what else did he said about Rosie O'Donnell? tweets. You know like he could sell It's funny. He would never call his ex-un little rocket man. All that shit was hilarious. it gives more opportunities for everybody. And everybody sort of does better because the economy

2:31:52 Yeah, it's hard to get there. same, I'm not saying they should be able to steal, but I'm saying like competition. Now, you can say that he did it at the expense of unions. It's way better than what's going on in China. Yeah. It can be done. But that is the game that this country runs on. and to just throw the fucking board up in the air Like, I get it.

2:35:02 your parents what kind of I don't know that that Did you get that from your parents? What kind of books do they read? What kind of – I don't know. But as a young person when I was in college or before, looking at people who were successful, I never – and we weren't successful. My dad's pastors don't make a lot of money unless you're the pastor of a big mega church that's telling people to be healthy and wealthy if they just

2:36:31 victims the environment is a victim the people are the victim you know the lower class is a victim lot more victims if you get rid of that system and do it a different way by a so much sense. It means you can take the wrong turn, become a criminal, take advantage of people, be a scumbag, mistreat people, be cruel to people, mean to people. Because you realize like later in life, if you do the right thing, you'll feel better regardless of the result.

2:39:38 should all strive for it doesn't mean you can't succeed it just means you too, to some extent. I mean, will you, will you necessarily be as successful as somebody who's you're going to create more problems for yourself than you solve. Even if you get ahead. And they're like, Sunday's the Lord's Day. it's Sunday and I'm like, I can't go. Yeah. marketplace but it's not okay to lie it's not okay to pollute environments

2:42:28 Agreed. of the problem is the format itself. know and the context of the conversation that's how people are supposed to talk in any other way back and forth shit with people. I can raise your blood pressure too. My son will come up to me and ask me for something and I'm like, not now. them, like this is so hypocritical because of this. I get it. I get it. I just, I just think

2:45:25 I don't know. trench and they they uh it was during christmas yeah they played soccer and hung out it was a big That's kind of profound, honestly. Most of those people did not want to shoot at some person they don't even know. So I was trying to make sure some stuff was real by just this I think there's photographs of it. Yeah, it happened How fantastically wonderful and strange.

2:48:25 No wonder, because this extraordinary story suggests an alternative history of the 20th It seems like it happened. So you think the liberals and the conservatives can have a day of peace I mean, those Karen videos that you see. People are genuinely worried about our relationships with China and Russia. or that they're stupid. It was really fun to talk to you.

2:51:33 I really hope they let you back on. Do you think there's any potential for a real third-party site, a second site, They got back, they got back, but you know, back. They got back. But people moved on and went to other things. Parler's still there. But the problem is this, They mean bigotry. it up, I think most of the people that are addicted to Twitter, the progressives, the

2:54:05 start your own platform. That's the problem that like Parler is because the right-wing people go over to make the jokes you're not supposed to make and speak the truth and stand up that discussion. it's shaking up the world and I think we'll hopefully cooler heads will