Joe Rogan Experience #1861 — Dave Mustaine Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. I'm excited to talk to you, man. here right yes sir yeah and what a fucking white wild ride though i mean everything your religious you know keep working hard you keep applying yourself associating with the right people Were you at the Jet Center? And when the rains came, the roof was all fucked up and they wound up having to close

2:05 Blinky, Blinky. you know, who was the toughest. And she had fought June and June broke her leg. And I can't I mean, they were the elite of the elite. some reason, but he was phenomenal. Yeah. It's sad to watch how he dismantles people. There was a fight that I have one of his tapes. I have all of his tapes, but one in particular that I really lot of fights like that. I heard that the story about Frank Dukes was actually about Cincy Benny

4:37 Okay, so... But I heard from the people who participated in this whole thing. They were all black belts. And I was saying, cleaning, right? They told them, you need to leave. So when I watched it again, it was really neat to think that, you know, Right, that's what I was told. with him, right? Like a duffel bag. And then a guy comes back a day later to pick him up and

8:18 meaning like an Aikido guy could fight a Judo guy, And he just took him to the ground, Some person who fought and beat the world in some sort of a to-the-death tournament. But just when it comes to reality, though, And I thought, I just learned that last week. Yeah. just means fighting yeah right well that's what i was asking you so yeah i'm pretty sure it does you know i that's a japanese word i came from a

11:15 What year did you start martial arts? Yeah. If he changes sides of the street, turn around. A lot of tough guys came from Huntington Beach. and some guy hit him right in the face and you just whacked him. Crow Cop kicked him in the head. Kerr, Kerr, Kerr. Oy. He was huge. with a very specific objective but then the whole world changes yeah like and

14:35 He's really falling apart and he falls apart during the filming of the documentary. He was one of the most preposterous guys. wouldn't eat it so she comes in the kitchen and she sees that guy inside of stuck up on the top shelf so our kids wouldn't eat it. So she comes in the kitchen and she sees that guy He's a good guy. Yeah. Just talking. Yeah, just trying to remember I had a did we get on the subject of Mark Kerr?

16:25 It's a wild sort of a journey from the early days of martial arts to where we are today. So this is May 16th. I watched one of his fights, the very last one, and I was such a bad spectator. and that they were doing something with him in the corner during the fight. And this is what year was this? Oh, shit. like that and he and then of course rick rufus and and Rick Rufus was like the big American star who could fight

19:15 He gets his legs kicked out. in Kyokushin and some other, And almost 61. So that's almost 50 years. Wow. But it hasn't been consistent the whole time especially now that going from practicing karate mainly to doing grappling and ground fighting and stuff, I'm not chasing my chodan. What was the music that you were into? Like what did you listen to when I was 13? I had a very limited musical

22:36 Kiss and Ted Nugent and the other one was Kiss, Ted Nugent, who was the other band back then, Led Zeppelin. while you're moving your fingers in different positions, And all I know is that there was an acoustic guitar there, and I thought, I need to make some noise to drown out what she's doing. The bass will stay the same and the chord will move. as Cat Stevens or Yusuf Islam.

25:16 Chronicles yeah yeah which was I'm pretty sure Google that I don't want to as being about Muhammad. Peace Train, no that's from somebody else. T for the tiller, Die, die, die. And going back to Afghanistan and changing your name, and probably had something that spurred that on. And the music business is what you survive in. Hey, don't fucking say that.

28:40 alcohol in the early days versus now well i, I think in the early days of the music avoided or somebody didn't tell me and I find out later, that sucks. And for a lot of people, music business and I think much like yourself you know in our getting to know on our on our uh crew and um tours that we've been on the The last tour we were on, not my band,

31:14 because he had a DUI But see, that arnold said long time somebody's out there getting stronger running farther you know all A part of the whole mystique was the guy who did crazy drugs, I know of a lot of musicians that will drink when they play. and the kind of people that They have a sensei out with them. that a lot of bands did drugs? where we started to experiment with other stuff.

34:51 that just to sort of corral you and keep control of you i've seen managers do that where they're I don't know. That's it. or you know get a hold up they go look i'm just going to babysit you keep you on drugs and then suck money I've met those guys in comedy too. was that a trope? We went into one of the little rooms there, and the guy slid his desk open, and there were lines everywhere.

37:40 I heard about a band with a front man that I really respected that wanted to be paid in crack. got healthy and and is open about it you know I think that's it's so important or if the UFC, when they travel, if they go for long stints at a time. Oh, my God. that now that you bring it up i don don't think I ever experienced it personally, You put a quarter in and your bed vibrates?

40:33 That doesn't make any sense. Maybe it was what it was looks like they copyright it I think it's supposed to go all together. What? They can make seven grand a month off of a bed. What? And then coming back home after 72 weeks. That's a hard life. Like if I was in a band, I would imagine I would want to tour for 72 weeks in a row, too. But just think of that. Just that statement.

43:27 And this is, look at you guys, little babies. Oh, I don't care about that. I think in my mind, I went right into Megadeth, So there's a sadness and bitterness. than anything in this world, and I love our fans. And for a moment, I flashed back to elementary school when I was in front of the chalkboard. baseball you know I I thought about I had a cousin who was a fighter pilot and

46:49 be just as good at that i think it's an expression of who you are as a person and i think that's one And that that was the case with Hendrix, but some people specifically, Love Hendrix. So, yeah, I'll do it. So the sound difference between a Flying V and a Strat is very significant. And they were sitting there working on my guitar sounds because they've been doing this Hendrix thing for so long.

49:46 Like, even though things, look at this right here. Yeah. Yeah, there's the photos. for being a shitty tenant. That's clean compared to my apartment growing up. I could have had velvet everything. Barely. He's like, oh, you're not allowed to question this. It's interesting to hear it from guys like that. It's like that's how he is with what happened to him growing up as a Jehovah's Witness.

53:02 And the thing that I didn't like was, childhood i wanted to watch wonderama it definitely sucks but do you think that any part of having a to do great things and other stuff. That's how they grew up. and you went from that and all the drugs as sort of a cultish, well, they're all kind of. And if you don't want people to tell you about it, So I try not to tell people how to live their life.

56:23 the accusations against my sister had lied. And so what was wacky about it Of the world. I think they changed that now to non-believers or something. We were supposed to stand with our hands at our sides. Uh-uh. I don't want to be part of this. some wild ass music though, to just have a life like that. And So I got into black magic. and then, you know, uh, hope and pray that something will take place, uh, that will even

1:00:35 So he walked past me and sucker punched me in the stomach and I buckled over and I thought, oh, here we go. and he walks out and elbows me in the back of the head when he's getting out. He sounds like an asshole. I think he got hurt because he's an asshole Using some food sources and and making an effigy of sorts. Jesus. I don't think you can get in trouble for hexes.

1:02:45 It was a sex hex I did on this girl. to my house one night to go buy some hash because I I had a roommate that was selling pot and hash Paper. and that conjures the sex sex? It's English. hey, what's your sign? and that's the only way I even remembered. I don't know. I wonder. Oh, now you've ruined it. No, that's not his name. Some of the things that aren't even bullshit, like yoga.

1:06:26 It could be real. I had heard that David Copperfield had marched an elephant out into the middle of the Lakers So this was on television? The unmasked magician guy Ah! It's a trick just like the sex hex. All right, I'm sorry, Joe. Remember how old you were? and it certainly didn't change anything because, you know, that that talk about you know um end time stuff you know stuff that's gone on during time any

1:10:32 that was making some really bad decisions Then put your mask on him after you're safe. You don't want to be out cold with a five-year-old trying to figure out what the fuck to do. So when you first became a born-again Christian and then there was this whatever you'd call So it's like people want this, people are very afraid of people changing. come on.

1:12:03 And one of the reasons why I think they changed it to new Coke? But if you find the company in this country The original Coca-Cola had cocaine in it, but the Coca-Cola of today is free of cocaine, but it gets flavoring from coca leaves. That stuff's great. That Coca-Cola taste everybody fucking loves. Mexican Coca-Cola. He advised Coca-Cola as a patent medicine that could cure headaches,

1:14:59 Inspiring part of the soft drinks name the coca leaf in its natural form is a harmless and mild of ailments when Coca-Cola was invented, which is pretty wild, according to NIDA. and the drink does not currently contain cocaine or any other harmful substances. It's like a... Or just like putting them in a job that sucks, that numbs them, too. or they think they're getting ecstasy.

1:17:48 It's really potent stuff. After Stephen processes coca leaves at its Maywood, New Jersey plant, it extracts the Mallin Cropped Pharmaceuticals, the only company in the US licensed to purify cocaine for medical No, I used to stick paste in my nostrils. What was that stuff? that's supposed to have almost like methamphetamine effects. Did you find any of that?

1:20:27 suppress the appetite They were originally just fishermen, and people were dumping shit off the coast of Somalia. So what they would do is they'd kidnap those people and hold them for ransom for what they did to the ocean. When Mohamed Salbar was ousted in 1991, Somalia disintegrated into warring clans, They got turned into characters Yeah, yeah. out of the ocean pulling oil out of the ocean when you realize they have to cap a broken pipe

1:23:09 Even when they dump trillions of gallons That a hole that we dug into You guys, you're literally making nuclear waste. I think it was a series on Chernobyl. So I use a lot of weird metaphors like that. and making sure that when I meet people, just kind of try and learn a little bit about them. like with this chernobyl thing and you want to make sure that you get it through research you

1:27:18 would, you, there's something in that that you don't even want to sing anymore because of it, Right. Oh, I wanted that jacket so bad, man, it was so cool. Anyway, so. Let me see. Oh, yeah. He was playing, he had that fucking badass jacket. Oh, I wanted that jacket so bad, man. bodies and stuff Yeah. Cape Fear. was bringing to life the reanimation of Frankenstein or Steen,

1:29:34 So that's what this is about. I love that you still make albums. For kids, when I was a kid, to look at it, you'd be like, fuck. they were very iconic. You didn't listen to a song at a time. far apart. Sounds really great. Unlike Black And Chris Rakestraw and I produced it with Josh Wilber mixing it. So we did that, and I called Sammy up, and I said,

1:32:26 guys were listening to back then all kinds of stuff i think i listened to uh different stuff and whatever souvenirs we'd bring home. How was James being held hostage? He was living with Ron, drink vodka. I don't know if he's still drinking or not, but we would drink vodka like crazy. And, we were going to get in an accident because I lost a friend.

1:35:12 The ocean's on the side of you and it's only a two-lane road in some spots. And that's where a lot of the punk rock stuff that influences this new record came from. I was a little surf punk and I thought, yeah. What did Jello Biafra say that got people? I heard when Ice-T did the beginning of his album, some of his stuff and i had no idea it was even ice like colors that's a great song that's a great

1:37:12 No, no, no. Bald guy. and I was really eager to do that. The guy who wrote and sang Cop Killer. Rappers tour in their later years the same way that we see rockers tour in their later years because when we were a kid You know, obviously Ice Cube and all those guys. I did some research on him and Joe I thought this guy's just too evil too a Gentleman when Gear goes, I got nowhere else to go while he's holding his nuts, right?

1:41:16 And I hope when you hear it, you like it because it's pretty cool. mick jagger's out there fucking dancing around on stage and he's biden's age yeah it's wild yeah i I thank the fans for that, were saying. I heard maybe something in what I said that maybe made them, you know, not hear me but listen to me and maybe find out, you know, I don't like Dave.

1:43:43 they feel like there's no way getting off the train. And if it's not what I want, it doesn't matter. when your life is shit oh yeah they feel better it really can music in particular is amazing that way it You don't want to just fucking sit in there and huff along for an hour. long motivational thing called let's fucking do it. And I downloaded it. And I remember I was

1:46:59 were really close to. And they were just bad for us. Yeah us yeah well that's one of the unfortunate things that There's a lot of stuff. It's like, there's a lot of uh a lot of I want to live my life in that manner. It's a seal of approval from someone that you look up to. where you're going to be a good person you're going to feel good about yourself

1:50:02 Danny Nozell over at CTK and they were managing a group with danny nozell over at ctk and um they were managing a Oh, man. you know and that's alcohol's one just the angst of being you know and 50, if the most. No. It's a really wild movie with Morgan Freeman. If you haven't seen it, go check it out. Did Einstein say that? your brain varies with how tired you are whether you're sick whether you're sick, whether you're stressed out, whether you're at peace,

1:54:28 amazing in the way your brain can function. Where does the myth originate? Okay, so it's just a misquote. you know it's relative i think when you're around people that that are are complaining all the time this big you know um so there's a lot of stuff there and i think that you know the the cancer was a But you can teach the ones who you can. weird is that to go over and have to spank somebody else's kid i'm sure yeah it was weird

1:58:39 if, if you meet three assholes in one day, chances are one of them's you. And I thought, you know, I don't like that saying, That's something to learn in life. You can avoid and you're going to create more by talking. I think that's great. Two of them were affected here and then the tumor was How did the chemo affect you? It was just those two rough days.

2:01:46 So eating became a chore. Two of my favorite foods and I can't do it anymore because I take hot and it's... And were you allowed to exercise during this time? So I know I got my blue belt when I went to Europe two times ago. Yeah, it's not like the comic books. So your head's all clamped down in this piece of plastic, I couldn't handle it. You don't really know how involved all the technology is until you have to go through it now

2:04:50 And isn't it also amazing that just a drip of water will fuck with you so hard? It just sucks. like you can't get out easy there's a door right there. Just get into it for a little bit, get comfortable with it, But I remember when I – it's like the cold plunge, the same kind of thing. People say they couldn't do it, but you could do it. You go in there for three minutes, you wear a face mask and gloves, and I would just listen

2:07:06 Yeah, going outside. It's always been great. Yeah I want to do it right if I go in there. I take so much nutrients and supplements. I've had that before, yeah. Yeah. It was some crazy technique. Clean it? through the machine but i don't think that there was ever really leaving you, per se, because there was a connection made. Yeah, they were going to put them under and then they were going to use UV light on their lungs

2:10:49 The effect is a vaccination-like response in which patients' immune systems is activated to counter the specific virus or bacteria the body is trying to defeat. Explain. When we were living in Fallbrook, we had a bunch of stuff for water problems. I don't even know that's what he was talking about. thing, how does that The desalination things. Yeah, there it is.

2:13:29 The, the, the blood thing? you know, it was a fun thing to do for us to just, you know, do health together, you know, under for my, my skeleton that's been damaged from the fusion and all the other stuff that I've Yeah. No, but I think that the institute of marriage has been cheapened from people not taking it It's interesting. properly aligned, that we were equally, evenly yoked, you know what I mean?

2:17:41 But I think about when, you know, you have two parents and one's gone for so long, especially, you know, in the military too. I think he was their tour manager. You know, I'm kind of on the fence about that. I don't think it's a smart thing, If you discipline with anger, then you're not disciplining because disciplining is supposed to be a conjunction of discipline and teaching. So if you're disciplining your child, you're supposed to teach them. You're not supposed to hit them. ask me about you know advice for parents i i always say kiss your wife good night and tell you you love her don't ever uh discipline your kids and anger and um kids need structure and

2:20:41 You need to have more than just one person parenting. you know. And it is difficult when you've got someone who's not your dad or your mom, That has a great benefit on kids, too, in terms of, like, ability to recognize the importance of discipline need to be in the front row I can I can enjoy the show just as much from the second or third row going to come across who's going to have more knowledge than you. And right now, you know that

2:23:59 Yeah, Lowe. where you can express all the anger and all the shit that just comes with being a man. So I have both of those. walk again. So I said, okay. And I told my manager at the time, this guy named Mark Adelman. We were managed by Irving Nesoff's group up in Hollywood. Oh, my God. fused together. It took a long time. I still have that neck brace. I need it from time to time

2:26:51 Do you do exercises for your neck to compensate for it? What do you do? Yeah. Never heard of it. You turn it sideways. In the back. honor gym that's here in austin um so as he's doing that the tension on the actual halo itself So see how he's doing this? because I've gone through a lot of shit I sprained my right elbow, and then I had ribs on both sides that got—

2:30:35 were doing some tosses and i would grab on because i didn't want to go flying through the air i wasn't you can get the black belt. God, that's the part where I'm the most angry You need to take two days off, whatever. So they threw kicks, but they didn't have the right amount of power because they weren't It would just fall apart. You know, I don't know and I'm not exactly sure but god. I didn't know you're such a big Hendrix fan

2:33:23 they do something to you you're listening to it in your car. It's a wild time There's so many people out there with Apple Watch. It's a bummer. He's just using the watch and making phone calls and stuff. One time my phone fell out of my pocket in someone's car Do you ever get on social There was a guy named Charles who was the webmaster and and Do you understand NFTs?

2:36:44 I was thinking about something else or something. what were we talking about? We were very, very, very active with Megadeth Arizona, which was our chat room, and then I mean, and with the NFTs, you know, All I can tell you right now is I've looked at other people's NFTs that they have. else is doing it for you. So we try and be as authentic as possible and make sure that we know

2:40:10 they're congenial enough, I don't know if that's the right word, You know, the thing I'm most excited about right now is what we're going to be doing with the whole Web 3.0 experience for fans. made tupac super jacked oh ha did you see of course no i didn't oh let's pull it up because That's not fair. That's the first time I saw that. See, he's pretty thin.

2:42:48 That's an actor. He's got a six-pack going on, but, I mean, he does not have nearly the bulk. reality concert where someone could sit there in I would think you need to do one of your real concerts and have people with the cameras in the crowd so it feels like you're there. do is you would slide your cell phone into this helmet and then you could go through here while

2:45:36 And does it matter what kind of phone? Oh, there it was. You open it up. That was like sort of a headset type deal. and the guy brought a duct-taped together prototype of the Oculus camera They show this picture of me by my pond I knew it was something neat. Because I wanted to get in on that too, and I don't know whatever happened. And one that you might enjoy as a martial artist is they have boxing games.

2:48:29 Yeah, it's really cool. So you have sensors that are on the heavy bag, and you have sensors that are in your gloves, I was surprised. You're not doing it just like you're just shadowboxing and moving in front of a mirror. it would give you a red screen that shows you that you're fucking up that's very cool. Yeah. When did you meet him? I, when I first came to Nashville,

2:50:51 Doug Stanhope used to party with him. and he lives I was going to say, what a great comedy name. Drinking and smoking cigarettes. The golden years. it's not so great that you would make, Ravel? I think that's what it was. Probably not, yeah. I had, like, when I was a kid, one of those TIE Fighters, those Star Wars things. You know, the guy with the big eyes and bloodshot eyes?

2:53:12 cars that were like where you had to take the clutch out. Well, I have English stuff. Those things are fucking great. And I had Mercedes for pretty much all my driving adulthood. because I've been able to see and it's better not to even hear about it. He wasn't so artificial. Yeah, it was all the smarmy talk and, you know. Yeah, you know what? He could have been dead right there and I would have watched the rest of movie. I love it

2:56:08 It's cool. Bye, everybody. Thank you.