Joe Rogan Experience #1862 — Mike Baker Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! blisters and then it heals up and then they're good. Yeah. And then they're fine. It's not good, There was one guy. It's offensive to gay people in some strange way. It's monkeypox. No, you couldn't do that. I don't think. It's like out of all the things that we can be worried about, it's not at the top of the list, folks.

2:38 they are now. The last Yeah. Yeah. Sorry about that. I think you'd still leave the house. Yeah. I think you'd Okay, I should take that back. Yeah, take that back. It's probably not appropriate. to deal with. her? obviously, going back and forth. We just had another one in Taiwan. Got almost no press. And I don't think anybody in any administration going back to the beginning of that policy ever really understood what it all means.

5:45 Sympathy for Paul Pelosi. Yeah. So what you're saying, though, is that the moment they started talking about doing it, the world. But the amount of resource that the Chinese regime puts into, not just under Xi, but previously, puts into monitoring, understanding what's happening in Taiwan and importantly, what the U.S. You know, China's been pretty clear about, look, by 2050, Taiwan's coming back.

7:41 of the Chinese military, obviously, And that's going to be a very messy day from our perspective, because what are we going to do You've defined the two tracks, right? And they have to base their strategy, their forward planning on sort of the knowns, right? right? We figured out that Russia was building up to an invasion, but just about everybody said, yeah, it'll take them three or four days and they'll roll into

10:59 It's very disturbing when you're sitting here, you feel helpless, you read the news and you're the defense minister and others have just come out and said, there's no negotiation to be done And so does that mean that we were unable to, because we didn't have the resources focused I mean, Putin has been very clear. So maybe we should factor that into our analysis as to what could happen.

14:33 And we should have probably paid more attention to that. There's also some talk about them buying U.S. farmland. It was the culmination of years of investigation. a bureau perspective is to say, all right, let's look They do all the plumbing. And I'm pretty sure you've yeah you've seen this report that did the that you look at the i-25 corridor that goes up wyoming colorado that area along the border of nebraska they did a deal with a

19:37 I'm going to get access to it, and I don't care whether it takes me 10, 20, 30 years. So a couple of years ago, when they released this information, when they finished their investigation and they looked and they said this is bullshit, right? that are going across this, but also imagine if we're trying to send communications, things get He's not a counterintelligence specialist.

23:06 stuff sitting up there anyway, right? This was 2020. And so nothing's been done. But, A, I'm very happy that the Bureau, through some very good investigative efforts, has highlighted this, and it's important to be talking about this. And it still kind of happens because they'll look and they'll go, So let them? They infiltrated a company called Nortel.

26:54 Because when they're stealing information to advance themselves, what they're also doing is kicking us in the ass and we're losing jobs, right? They were doing all sorts of things. and that's true. But, you know, Chinese in particular also rely on human, on human China, China. And that's a good thing, right? The more we talk about this, it's not going to

30:09 can't talk about sources and methods. You don't just throw everything out there on the table and If someone actually talked about it, gave you a piece of evidence, I mean, whether you talk about – well, not – I mean, Norto was an interesting case because now it's bankrupt. Hey, we got a deal. When you look at what do they go after, Is it going to be in shipping?

33:03 You have conferences and you have gatherings of business people and everything so what they were Well, they had managed to figure out if we get into Ibon and we get into the way that they had connected with the various hospitality groups to help handle communications, right, for, you know, conferences and events, you know, they got a lot of employees here in the States. And they've said for decades,

34:42 Yeah. And I remember reading this and they're coming from a tech perspective. This is why we don't like him. This is what they're trying to accomplish and trying to help. But a lot of these companies are either just too But it's not just the Chinese. agricultural land trying to dig up modified seeds, right? I mean, that's pretty old school. conclusion that one could make is that the only way for us to be able to compete with the Chinese

38:43 up all their intellectual data, they would never allow that. You're proprietary information. with, you know, I mean, you look at China and, you know, something simple such as electric vehicles. I don't know how to unlock it. So I stand out there for about 10 minutes trying to open the car, and I can't. And my takeaway, a long story short, I've already made it long, but my takeaway from driving the Tesla for two days was I think if you're a technology person, I think it's great.

41:46 going with this. But the Chinese, when you think about it, they control 85, 90% of the processing But we're going to do everything we can to get ourselves further up that chain. all these things. But yeah, anyway, I wasn't, and I'm not saying I wasn't a fan of Tesla. It's the craziest car I've ever driven in my life. It seems like you're in another time period.

43:48 I just wasn't, you know, what do I know? It's a Charger, actually. Let's play it. Give it that. I thought it was going to play like the growl. I'm just checking to see if there's something else that could be here. I think this is it. What? At least Porsche, when they have the Taycan, the electric one, it makes Jetson noises. You're lying to people.

46:40 You get to hear it from inside the car. It's incredible. Well, that's why I say, again, I guess I'm too far down the road I know we're talking about this for environmental reasons, most part. It gets ugly. Yeah, it gets really ugly. We got, what do we got? Cobalt. You got, And most of that's on state forest land. I mean, if we add nuclear power to power electric vehicles and we could figure out a way to mine cleanly.

49:38 Let's make a greener, cleaner world. we want to get away from oil and gas here and fossil fuels here in the U.S., so we're going to start making it more difficult to pursue that. And if those minerals are mined in Congo But what does that really mean? that battery is just self-charging. I got a Suburban. that you could actually extract the carbon from the air and that carbon could be valuable.

52:45 nowhere near smart enough to ponder it beyond saying it's an interesting idea. But yeah, I do think that, I mean, again, I'll wrap up the, you know, it's the bash China hour. But I do think once people realize that it means you're going to start digging up more earth, right, in these, But it's we are always in this weird argument where it's like it's all this or it's all that. Right.

55:00 No, I don't know what the mineral reserves are now around the world. interesting. We spent so much time focused on the Middle East and counterterrorism that I think we to what it means for our abilities to better assess It's not like you want to ignore that. energized. They're still pretty interested in, can we turn Afghanistan into a training ground again

58:41 that is giving the White House, whatever administration's in charge, And that's tough to do. think Xi's going to step down until he's got Taiwan back in the fold. I think what else, you know, it looked, I think they're going to do something. I don't think Xi's going to step down until he's got Taiwan back in the, in the fold. I think We had a sense of what that was gonna look like

1:01:13 And so I think we had a real problem in assessing his plans and intentions, his motivations. And So they've had a series of problems. It's even a harder lift to assess China's capabilities right We're not going to put any boots on the ground. They're trying to figure out what are we going to do. We need this stuff, and that can be changed. the US government invests, and I just remembered that they're pumping $80 billion into the

1:04:55 They're going to go after people that may have fudged a little here and there, and they're going to bring those folks down. That's not what we meant. been underfunded for years, decades. And because of that, Why do you think they decided to ramp up and hire 87,000 new IRS agents to tune of $80 billion. Well, they argue nobody other than wealthy people, just wealthy people.

1:07:38 I think a lot of them are. I would pay what I'm supposed to pay, but I wouldn't pay a penny more. Yeah. If I'm if I'm housing money offshore and I'm not doing it in a way that's allowed, then those and those investigations can be very complicated. to do. And it's overly complicated. I guess what I would say is instead of hiring 87,000 new agents, And even though they paid their fair share, they did something that's extraordinary.

1:10:30 Not that you provide exactly the amount of resources that are worthy of the compensation that you receive. If we said that, if they said that, and they made it some sort of a way, They achieve extraordinary amounts of success. I tell my three knuckleheads this all the time, if you work a little bit harder, you can do exponentially better. He was a really weird guy, but he said, you cannot get by in this world by just working

1:13:16 They just think that it's rigged because they don't have it. I'll tell you. So it's Portman Square Group, where it's an intelligence and security services firm. You must be just, you know, rolling in dough. that there have been times when I haven't taken anything, right? To make sure I can make payroll, you know, piss on, you know, people who are doing well, because I don't sometimes think they see

1:16:03 And not knowing where you're going to go I think is pretty exciting. It's a real challenge. It's interesting. But I don't know where you're going to go. And not knowing where you're going to go, I think, is pretty exciting. There you go. That's exactly what it is. It's not it's not fun. I mean I can't imagine running an enormous corporation is located that they've cornered the market on, this Chinese company has, and where our

1:17:26 And all their towers are outfitted with Huawei and ZTE and other Chinese telecom gear. Yeah. That's our fear, right? Our fear is that to beat them or to stop them, we become them. that because favoring one company over another is going to screw up the idea of the free markets and And sometimes it seems like we're not making any progress at all. costs, I think that seems like the sort of thing you can get behind. I think that's a good move.

1:21:18 And we've seen that. I can't. So when Biden, during his campaign a couple of years ago, we're going to make the non-carbon part of our operations our primary revenue earner in the next whatever, 10, 15 years. Yeah. lifetime of the people before us, and this measurable increase in climate change. human beings are impacting climate in a negative way with our carbon footprint and with our

1:24:57 And they're breathing in this shit. nuclear power, everybody's like was like oh you're gonna kill coal plants faster than China, right? from a technology perspective. But I think if China, if India aren't going to make any trying to run for office and trying to push a narrative that people are going to accept and deficit disorder and it's all very tough to sit and watch a documentary or watch an actual newscast

1:29:06 Right say it as if it's fact yeah, that's it. That's what I believe in too. And everybody is very siloed. And that's what they're accustomed to. I love the Cotswolds. Yeah, yeah. And we'll tour around. It's no Wi-Fi. Went to London. By the way, you go in to look at the Mona Lisa in the Louvre. How close did they let you get? And so everybody, they're holding their cameras up.

1:34:04 He held up his camera or his phone, took a picture like this and said, okay, what are we going to do now? So we're but the sun's going down. I turned around and there they are down there. I said, what was the best part of the trip? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Maybe four. I think it's been a lot of thought. country I mean it sounds like like horrible things to say. If you said, hey, there's this one religion that's synonymous with raping kids, and they don't pay taxes, you'd be like, what?

1:38:51 Covering up and moving people around They would shut them in. all the flaws in the structure of this operation, yeah, I don't get it. um but i feel i do feel like i i kind of dropped the ball on providing some kind of and I'd be like, yeah, I'd go mow the lawn or something. Yeah, I think if you just, maybe because I was lazy and I didn't invest time in figuring that out in terms of what to do with the kids, I think I just landed on some spot that said,

1:42:08 Yeah. Well, that's the greater picture. But just in terms of like a moral scaffolding and just in Yeah, and I think for a structure for kids, too, there's a bigger something. a religion would say, secular people and that's like i mean mark andreason had a very good rant about what woke I guess you could argue any, I mean. A lot of things. Yeah. Political ideologies. We treat

1:44:47 I don't know whether it was a trigger law or not, but basically saying almost no cases could be considered allowable for abortion. leaves pretty well in terms of any administration and where things were going from a policy perspective. But I mentioned it to my wife. Yeah. There's a sliver there of devout religious people who just say absolutely in no circumstances.

1:46:54 No, I think it most certainly will. They think that abstinence is something you could actually teach people. It's crazy to think. So you look at somebody That is, I mean, consumed by what percentage of the population? Let's look at that. Yeah. Website and mobile searches searches 13 to 20 percent 30 No, I'm kidding. Yeah, right. 34% of internet users have experienced unwanted exposure.

1:49:56 37 pornographic videos are created in the United States every day. I'm doing research. Every second, 28,258 users are watching pornography on the Internet. That's a lot, though. Because like what percentage of those people are identifying as women with male genitalia? that there's a lot of people that think that sex should be for procreation only. They want religion.

1:52:59 I guess I am because maybe there was never a time when reasonable people found common ground and you could compromise and find policies and create legislation that could take the best from both sides and there you go. So maybe that actually never happened. And I think part of that you could attribute to Donald Trump. The polarization in this country

1:54:04 Yeah, I think you're going to- There's a large swath of this country that thinks the election was stolen, of one person voting, the other person collecting it, that a third It's like they felt like John Kerry got robbed when he ran against George Bush. But people don't want to believe. and that all they do is just like fucking rah-rah. And we do get together in times of great conflict, like post 9-11.

1:57:23 Right? I mean, that was... I mean, with the exception of the Japanese American interns, yeah, they didn't actually probably feel the same way. But no one's looking back and saying, okay, here's what we need to do in order to be one country, in order to be focused on what does it mean to move the needle as one people? They're making people more frustrated and argue more about this by design.

1:59:25 And it's a fact. It's not just something I've read and I'm not going to try to figure out who And it's interesting because Elon Musk is a fairly polarizing character as well. Yeah, and they are very sophisticated. it might be. Was that justified? It wasn't a very buttoned-up administration, right? fine. But there's always I don't know because I don't know what the specific documents were that they really had a Jones about. They were negotiating this for some time, right? They'd been talking to them and going back and forth and they discussed what they had and how is one effort and say, okay, we have more documents.

2:05:11 I mean, I know a number of guys that work for the Bureau, they're doing their job, right? getting the responses we need. So we do need to go in. We need to knock on the door and say, to see whether it was justified or not. They're at that position because they work closely with politicos or whatever. kind of used his own playbook all along. And you can't just say... And then people... He's saying

2:08:46 and marked as declassified, right, that's, again, you know, it has to show that. If you've got a So, and then he's, isn't he suing now to get documents back? And so they should have had that completely buttoned up and ready to go the moment they were going to do it and be as transparent within the limitations of what they can do, of what they were doing and

2:11:05 Yeah, probably that's not the case. Yeah, I think I'm going to lose that $1,000 to you because I think he's going to run again. It's going to be like all these other things that they were kind of going after. I don't think it's possible. Oh, God. In previous times, they would have deferred to the VP, right? And you're just going to get a host of characters coming in because I don't think they're going to say,

2:14:05 but 330-plus million people, And these are the options we get. You get that self-selection that just fucks us over. It would be nice if we knew how this plays out. I mean, it's this Klaus Schwab Yeah, well, I mean, the hypersonics thing, But a hypersonic glide vehicle is traveling above Mach 5 and also is maneuverable, We've been working hard to do that.

2:17:35 And everybody thinks, okay, yay, we'll get to that point. basically protecting our national security communications, our military communications, but maybe it's not in our best interest. not a obviously not a tech guy but computer or quantum supremacy or I agree with what you said before, which is every time you talk about U.S. first or U.S. With the widespread distribution of quantum computing me. What does that look like in 10 years, 15, 20 years?

2:22:03 We're all involved in one world digital currency that's controlled by the state. That's what China has. but I don't have much of an investment portfolio. I think it's – the big government concern has been for all this time has been that it's, you know, used by criminal elements. I don't think the dollar is going anywhere, but I do think that the more that the government looks to control alternative currencies,

2:25:53 I mean, it was a cover of ABC. Half the time, I think, you know, and that's the problem with media nowadays. I mean, they fired everybody now. Yeah, yeah. wrongs don't make a right fucking hell yeah that it's murder i mean that's the hardcore evangelical of conception that they're doing something that's ultimately just? Well, I mean, I'm sure. You don't need to celebrate me.

2:29:38 Hopefully he's put They probably have to for survival purposes. moment in his life, except for putting that fucking mask on. It's like having a condom Yeah. You're literally just putting a cap on it so it feels good and sort of, Then you could actually see a point where the Republicans don't actually take the House in November. They can implement all of their policies and all the things they want to do that may be unpopular if they have more control. Yeah. Well, and that's how we end

2:33:03 Yesterday? His daughter was also there. Now she's blown to bits. So it just ramps up an already awful situation. encounter, right? And we tend to think of a nuke as Hiroshima or Nagasaki and doesn't necessarily have to be like that. whenever they started the invasion, is use these drone capabilities to have any sort of negotiated settlement. But look, we're $10 billion in terms of aid that we've dropped on to Ukraine

2:37:42 Well, if we didn't do anything, if we hadn't been providing all this, there's no way the Ukrainians could still be in the fight. You know, estimates are, you know, maybe the Russians have lost 15 to 18,000. Yeah, exactly. We can't allow them to use that as a base for attacking us again like 9-11. It's not money we're spending on hypersonics research and shoring up our national security interests.

2:41:18 So there, you know, but at a certain point, it starts looking like World War I, right? It's 100 years on and we're doing the same thing again. Yeah, much smaller technology being what it is, the potential for major problems. it's what are we trying to accomplish here? And that's that's part of the problem It's uncomfortable for people to talk about a lot of aspects of this.

2:44:31 It was. It's like those easy Part of it was they hadn't met certain standards or protocols that are in place for NATO membership. It's all this or it's all that. thing to, you know, this is one of the few bipartisan issues that you've got is to grant Yeah, yeah. And that this experiment in self-government the Constitution, all these things that people want to change and erode

2:48:40 billion people is controlled by a totalitarian dictatorship, Well, there's a lot of people that talk about how, you know, but they've always been, you We talked about this, you know, a while back, which is, you know, part of it is human nature, right? As a parent, I want life to be easier for my kids, right? My parents wanted it to be easier for me. Their parents, I'm sure, wanted it to be easier for them. And eventually, you get the diminishing returns because, you know, we're not hunting, gathering, looking for fresh water. We're just, you know, sitting, staring at our phones and nobody's doing shit, right? So it's – you could argue that and we've – you know, so we've created a soft society.

2:50:12 Well, my daughter went through university, and at the end of the whole process, which was not an inexpensive university, she was very honest about it. that the country's very resilient. I'm not one of those people that thinks democracy's on the brink. is that they have this sort of mandatory military service, sort of like South Korea does. or how it's how it's laid out right maybe not how it always works but how it's supposed to you know

2:53:21 teach some things that really, I don't know, prepare the kids. Or is it supposed to help them become a functional part of society? beings you know there's one of the things that's uh coming up now that a lot of people are Right. there's some concern there. there staring at this and wondering, well, if China is controlling communications, telecoms from their position

2:57:49 And I'm glad that we do in the West. I think that's great. That's the way it should be. Safety nets of cryptography A pharmaceutical company, you know, free flow of information and security. And it's never, you're always trying That's the view from the academic side. Co-opting individuals. Maybe it could be something as simple as identifying, look,

3:01:31 co-opt him a little bit more. Maybe you offer him a grant to do some research on something. Maybe But it's part of the what the tools that you've got in your kit bag. lot of time banging on the subject. Bullshit. Well, it's certainly something that people need to think about because I don't know where this goes. And they'll just continue building up their military.

3:05:43 you know, a recession. I don't know if it's a recession or not, but if it's a recession, yeah, it's been a weird few years. yeah i got kids so i have to be right exactly right so any more uh i've been meaning that i've I'm always somewhere. I'll fill you in, It's fun up there, Well, people are leaving California like it's on fire. But, yeah, it's a fantastic town.

3:07:23 That's another. Please do. all laugh together, and all laugh together as a group. what I like about it the most, is that you can provide a moment of fun. and people If it's not funny. And that's where the rubber hits the road with stand-up. It takes a long time to develop the skills to be able to do that. And it's kind of under attack. You kind of have to, though.

3:11:42 Most people, the vast majority of us are good people, but we're so divided and scared. Why are we so divided? They'll say, well, you know, what should I read? something, fine, I get it. You want to be, you know, sort of that, I feel like I'm part of a Agreed. And I'm an optimist. children, my children, the world in general, and that we all need to like try to understand each

3:14:30 It's not going to happen. like the narrative from on high right it requires some change in the narrative from on high, right? It requires some change in the narrative from the politicians. right? You can choose to accept it or not. You don't have to fucking argue about it. It's bad even when people are saying things you're diametrically opposed to.

3:16:35 Exactly. Going into a third season. they then spend the next six to eight months I have to ask you about UFOs before we leave. Yeah, black files, yeah. you know, I don't deny that there's other stuff out there. There's life out there. I'm sure of that, right? of a human being traveling at extraordinary speeds. You'd turn into goo. We're just not there. But I think that there have been some cases,

3:19:57 really big mysteries right that's the one that I would point to of all the various sightings that We haven't figured it out, but I'll never shift off of that.