Joe Rogan Experience #1864 — Alex Berenson Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience There's more? All right. So they banned me. They said that was my fifth strike and that I was not allowed to tweet from 1998, I want to say, maybe 96, that basically was intended for two purposes. Purpose one was total sense, by the way. All right. You can't, you know, you can't have these people policing managed to get bigger protection. And this really, this was happening for a while. And then it really happened in 2015. There was this case where a group of Sikhs, you know, an Indian minority group,

5:21 if Alex Berenson says, you know, here's naked pictures of my ex-girlfriend, that also allows you to ban whoever you want, whenever you want. And so, by the way, I know I'm not even talking about my case yet, but this is the legal background. That's how they've gotten. I had emails from a guy inside Twitter named Brandon Borman, who is a pretty senior executive.

7:56 And there's a broader point that's important to everybody. When they say we have a COVID not a Trump appointee. He's not a George Bush appointee. He if the argument is, I'm Twitter or I'm Facebook, I'm all powerful, I operate under 230, constitutional law. Because again, Twitter's based in California and the California Constitution is even more protective of free speech than the U.S. Constitution.

11:50 And he did something else, Joe. him or whatever it is. And we're going to hand that over to his lawyers so he can help sue us. look, the judge gave me this stuff. I'm not backing off. I want those depositions. I want And, and this is the really good part, since then, I've been publishing internal documents where Twitter says that they came under pressure from the federal government to ban me.

14:35 Because I've now been publishing documents that show that the White House wanted me banned. Well, you fast forward to July of 2021, just over a year ago, and Joe Biden says anybody who debates the vaccines, That's where this is going. OK. vaccines worked for a period of time in the spring. I don't know if you remember, but cases, another man's freedom fighter. Okay. So that was April, May. Then something happened in June and

18:51 OK, now maybe if all you watch is MSNBC, you could get convinced that boosters were, you know, that was always a part of the plan. We're going to basically force almost every American adult of working age to get one of these who isn't self-employed or who isn't an illegal immigrant. They don't have to get it. By the summer of 2021, it was different. It was, you want to fly? Maybe we're going to make you

20:33 You want your kids to go to school? standards. I did not ever say anything. I did not talk about, Yep. Well, I'm going to, you know, I'm going to keep pushing. unfortunately, we're done talking about whether the vaccines help stop infection or transmission. in other words, assuming the virus doesn't somehow mutate again to become more virulent, will get to a point where whether or not the vaccines do any good, the virus itself is essentially,

24:49 and I actually just wrote a sub stack on this that I posted Thursday morning, So how many, when you X out those deaths, you just say, if nobody died of COVID, would all We shut down the world for that increase. It's possible that this is just sort of a temporary thing and births will come back They're doing, you know, they're doing drugs or they're, you know, they're drinking and

27:45 It's strange. I mean, what the fuck are you talking about? Well, I will say But that's not what you're talking about. It is absurd. So I see. So I'm a trader. The Onion is always the best. So you saw really coordinated stories about how Russia had elected Trump, which turned out to be complete nonsense. OK, this was a mistake. and a lot of other news organizations. And it was, we're going to combat misinformation together. Okay.

31:43 The same people who, you know, who were wrong about Donald Trump and Russian collusion, who were wrong about lockdowns and COVID and the effect of school closures and wrong. They're going to find that, you know, they're dying for a good hurricane. They didn't work together this way. I'm just talking to people. You could have written about, you know, like whether or not enough old people were included in the clinical trials.

35:13 they fell down even on asking those questions. and people that have pacemakers now, they're in their 30s. But type 1 is different. Okay. to a lot of people and we owe it to them to figure out what some of these dangers might which is how do we get the news media to take this more seriously? And they think that in news, it's higher, which is fucking bonkers.

38:46 I think the cultural issue with the Donald Trump thing, as you brought it up before, It's not true. There's gonna be a lot of rewriting history in the next few months job, but it's it's a they're already doing it You know, that he said he never said shut anything down. It wasn't me. Yes. Can I send you some whiskey? Let's play this. We know that we can do that if we shut down.

42:57 You've been a big fan of Cuomo and the shutdown in New York. Do you think he realizes that the tide has turned? they have to negotiate and get him to testify. Okay. They have this mapping data that claims, oh, because, you know, most of the cases the Chinese reported first were in the vicinity of this agreement that they had where they're not allowed to be held liable? It's a huge impediment.

46:43 And for the most part, it's actually kind of hard to believe, but the companies do comply with this. companies given their history given the history that they have of being fined insane amounts causing tens of thousands of deaths that could have been prevented causing the opioid crisis We saw people that just put all of their suspicions, all of their misgivings aside from the past and now blindly trust the same organizations that they had widely disparaged just a few months before that.

48:53 And I was not having a good night. And I called again. You know, it's the crisis of we don't believe in God anymore. We're all terribly scared of our own mortality. And then here's a guy named Robbie Suave. They believed that. Yes. OK, this is what these people thought of the vaccine. Yes, the vaccine is coming. deprived of school, friends, family,

52:38 And now they're like, fuck, how did I buy into it? They're fine. helps some, not as much, because there's definitely, like, you definitely, your first Particularly older folks. for longer. And we should have made sure that we tested them on old people who are the most at The rest of us, we're going to wait and we're going to see. It was everywhere.

57:00 Whatever you want to call it. It was breakthrough infections. where everybody just didn't want epidemiologically. I don't think the vaccines But it gets complicated. Right. when they've had friends that have had strokes or they've had their own personal issues with it. all of this from the beginning. And he knew that the antibodies were a good idea.

59:51 It's so disconcerting and it just makes you distrust the very foundation of truth that we supposedly operate under. And a lot of people, including me, now don't believe in the system broadly. And there needs they have a complete total unwillingness to mean that you're it just if you are wrong and you don't admit you're wrong now you're wrong again now you're

1:02:37 Well, it's not about whether or not someone's wrong or right. But back to you, right? going to want to forgive you that's just them that's on them now if I don't like you're someone who's your job is to distribute the truth that's what you're lives last year. I think there's a case to be made. The vaccine saved lives. I think there's a case to be made, too.

1:05:10 who weren't spreading the right thing. even if they'd worked perfectly, and you're going to fill our hospitals, Right now they're doing that, which is fucking insane not vaccinated. It's wrong. That's now. That's now. Right now they're doing that, Let him play tennis. because he's a fucking super athlete. Well, I mean, they're doing it with monkey pox, Joe.

1:07:13 a joke folks i got it and maybe you can get it it's not a lot of people and it's it's you know And then eventually the gay community said, look, we're the ones who are dying here. But I can't tell you that most of them were fat and old. is so- No. It has nothing to do with what they did to me. that. Horsey Wormer. Praise his Horsey Wormer. the back. I didn't get that sick. And I wasn't vaccinated. And I was 54. You didn't get sick

1:10:50 How do we get healthy people to stay home? We're just going to take your rights away. And they had a hard time with just regular everyday life before the pandemic. And then we talked about that briefly the last time I was on. It's a horrible health choice. i'm consistent i didn't want to force people to be vaccinated and i don't want to force people

1:14:06 I guess the one thing people would argue with me about is that I'm not consistent about For some people, it clearly causes schizophrenic breaks that's gone on for years that most people use, not just to themselves, many, And I'm like, I'm telling the fucking truth. I'm not allergic to them. and they would rather you And that's why I admired the way you handled COVID.

1:17:22 so. I guess this place is different, man. It is shitty to realize that there are people who, you know, who will let their political views or their feelings about. if you're dealing with something that's going to kill, you know, 98% of the world or whatever, It's not a good relationship and you're better off without those people. You got off light. So people come, they say to you,

1:19:09 Like, dude, if you get vaccinated, if this really works, you shouldn't care about me Right. I showed up on the day of the fights, And they said, yeah, let me work this out. And so then they said I had to go to the clinic, and I said, well, I many you got? Well, we got them for everybody who got one for you. I go, great, let's do it. And so then they said I had to go to the clinic.

1:20:17 Within that time period, two people I know had strokes. Somewhere around then. when they would describe how they were allowed to throw out studies that didn't But the weird monkeying of data that they're allowed to do. You're trusting the people that make the product to give you the data instead of the scientists having access to all the data and them being able to make their own informed decisions.

1:22:54 Oh, the different one. the FDA to disclose lots of documents, including these documents that showed the underlying cases Your researcher, for whatever reason, says, I don't think this was related to the vaccine. that maybe it's more complicated than that. There's clearly underreporting of specific events. And I suspect at this point with COVID, first of all, almost no COVID vaccines are being given.

1:26:01 I wouldn't report that. So I actually wrote about this a few days ago. Over the next few days, her symptoms worsened. It's invariably fatal. Yeah, we don't want people to know about our research. So, okay, here's the thing. It is possible, Joe, and I They would have had it. write enough case reports, and there's enough of an outlier with the myocarditis, okay,

1:29:57 It's so weird to hear you say these things because it sounds so logical, in the rest of people's lives. They feel they were forced, right, And I know people get ready. has changed more than, that 5% group that got the first shot, 80% of those kids didn't get a second shot yet, when they actually get it. For kids. They, you know, they're reluctant to change, unfortunately.

1:33:38 at this accurately, I think people are going to have a very different view than they had when this all was going down. You know, we always knew they lied to us. They're claiming that the vaccine saved 20 million lives last year, which is a joke, Joe. the lives were saved, the spring of 2021. Okay, I don't know how many lives that would be. Then it moment in January of 2021. I don't think they did any good because, again, you have that first

1:37:22 So, again, you made the point. It's called immune imprinting. Your body is going to be focused on the original, even if you get the new vaccine. And this is the theory as to why Omicron evades it, because your body is looking for something that's not there. And Omicron is has different proteins in various places, What does that mean? HIV exists. they didn't give us copies of that.

1:40:13 Maybe it's technically the United States or maybe it's actually Biden himself. They're a private company. But it doesn't have the right to stop me from being outside and speaking or speaking in my house. were very interested in Alex Berenson. That's another direct quote from this meeting. And what human being was saying that? I don't know that. The discovery

1:43:11 What specific claim had you said that he was in opposition to? You know, it's phrased as, It was me saying stuff that people didn't like, that they call misinformation, and then they go to Twitter and say, this guy's using your platform for evil. You need to do something. Or are you going to do anything about it, Twitter? That's how they phrase it.

1:44:44 Infections decreased after vaccination. That's totally wrong. Infections decreased after vaccination. I think if you went back and looked, you would say a couple of their points have not been proven wrong and a couple have at this point. So the grifting stuff really started after the stack So that, so that's, you know, what is the the problem with that term scientific evidence is now that we know where the evidence is coming from and how the evidence is actually being relayed to the people that are reviewing the evidence.

1:47:22 risk, you know, because we don't, you know, they went into the trial, we didn't know how well the vaccine would work. And now that all these – the strokes, the myocarditis, and worst of all, this increase in all-cause deaths that no one has been able to explain. Say, OK, you know what? The problem is we don't have either of those. I can't believe I, you know.

1:50:17 And the companies threw up every single obstacle they could. It took a long time. the problem for the public health authorities is that even announcing an inquiry, even saying, you know, here's the baskets, right? So here's the people who died of diabetes and Right. Like we're like, no, despite, you know, despite what Hollywood, you know, what, you know, Sylvester Stallone or, you know, or Chris Evans can't fly to Ukraine and get the Russians out.

1:53:28 So there's this long COVID thing, right? There's this idea you get long COVID. It's fatigue. Lung damage. It is a group of – I get in trouble, but I'm just going to say it because it's true. The vaccine advocacy community. Here's the real problem. We've been unable to advance any of these drugs Because if it did offer the protection that they were advertising, it should have been a non-issue.

1:57:34 The you didn't get vaccinated, so screw you. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe like maybe COVID, COVID is a risk for you. rheumatoid arthritis. These are all autoimmune conditions, right? So your body is attacking And so if what we were told, and I believe the CDC has now taken this off its website, is that the spike protein would be very, very localized. saying that. Why is it affecting young boys and young men so much? So, you know, another great

2:01:48 Now, I would say, you know, have they looked really, really hard? This data that they have on the long term, what is based on, what is it based on? What are they, So there's all these ways to measure how well your heart's It's complicated. I'm actually amazed how many people will come back to me and quote me something that I said, The best way to do it is to take 1,000 people, say, I'm going to give 500 of you ivermectin

2:04:58 If the drug works, you're going to see an effect. of the very big ivermectin advocates on the way in. So they didn't get the results that the ivermectin people were hoping for. And now the advocates say that the trials weren't properly So, you know, I'm just broadly unconvinced. And I know people have said, well, ivermectin is also a protease inhibitor.

2:07:13 yes, but so is ivermectin. Right. But you can't, if you're going to say ivermectin works because you know, that it does have this effect as well. This is, again, this is a level of complexity of Well, there was a pretty good retrospective trial where they looked at two groups of people with Omicron. this is the one we're talking about where they supposedly didn't use the right amount

2:09:59 test ivermectin in people who are high risk, which they did, and they didn't find a good result when they did it. Just in the last couple days. things that you realize that, okay, there's a signal. I mean, I do wonder this fall, is anybody going to get this booster? Most of them are not. Yeah, I think most of them are not. Then they got everybody vaccinated.

2:13:20 I mean, I'm talking about relative population. So if you want to tell me that they are the great success story, it doesn't look like it did a year ago. We never have, and who knows if we ever will. But they were first. Then they got scared. any real significant controversies about the things that you reported or data are you being this is the most important story in the world,

2:16:13 What is the date on pilots? being screamed at by passengers or whatever and they want out. because the idea is if you ever leave The Times, you're never going to be able to support yourself as a journalist, No, they don't. their 10% to support. During the height of the cancellation, I gained 2 million subscribers. But fortunately, they're not an American company.

2:18:49 I think his last name is Ryan, Ben Ryan. you're doing your job and you believe you're telling the truth, if you're doing your job You're attacking my integrity. What have you been wrong about? And that's why in the Sunbelt states, I mean, there may be some fraction of people who've never got it, A lot of people got it. But I think it's possible You know, I mean, I publicly said I thought 600,000 people would die.

2:22:01 With versus from. So over 50% of those. But it's not necessarily going to kill you tomorrow. You know, then there's this bigger group of people who were who were in this group who wouldn't have died today if they didn't have COVID, but who weren't very healthy. They actually referred to it. So COVID was going to kill people or COVID was killing people who were going to die in 2022 in 2020. You were going to die in 2021.

2:24:32 We have excess deaths now, even though people predicted we would have fewer deaths now. Has it dropped off? It was increase in deaths in cancer, increase in deaths in Alzheimer's. What else happened in the winter? These countries, just like the U.S., still have COVID deaths. a million. A million here, a million there, you know. Is there any legitimate reporting other

2:27:30 You can't get unvaccinated, Joe. Right. But I mean, in terms of like all cause mortality, in terms of health complications. authorities wouldn't take a strong position on one vaccine versus another. But they did in this case. You basically can't get J&J anymore in the U.S. and you can't really get the AstraZeneca That's right. mRNA, which is actually not the same RNA that's in nature. It's been modified in a specific way that's inside a tiny little ball of fat that then delivers that RNA to your cells

2:31:02 that's been changed so it doesn't replicate, and that's That's a really good question, Joe. The Novavax, is that the new one? Yes. They certainly don't want Covaxin or the Chinese vaccines. elimination of the virus and they were all talking about herd immunity and that's just a remarkably stupid thing They wouldn't let unvaccinated people on planes.

2:34:48 I talked to somebody who knows her, You're going to ask me if I think it's good. red team, right? It'd be good that there's somebody raising these questions. pharmaceutical industry. I don't understand. I don't understand. These are the biggest, talking about a vaccine, whether it's a flu vaccine or Ebola vaccine or dengue vaccine. and that's one of the reasons why I praise Substack so much, and giving people like yourself and other independent voices who are legitimate

2:38:36 But they won't even write the Times. Yeah, this one, the White House privately demanded Twitter ban me W-H? High-level takeaways from the meeting, anything we should keep an eye out for. That's right. Said an employee wrote on the Slack conversation a few minutes after the really tough question about why Alex Berenson hadn't been kicked off. And also their initial choices.

2:41:41 It's a legitimate publisher. It's like the great lie of COVID is if you just listen to us, everything will be fine. No one will ever die again. I am outside the mainstream media. I'm pretty sure it's... Other people say to me I'm okay. There's Kirkus, Publishers Weekly. Our life is our life. But I mean, I'm not surprised about the Times. I'm an independent. And as I say in Pandemia, I didn't vote for Biden and I didn't vote for Trump.

2:45:43 And I said, I would vote for Trump before I'd vote for Biden screaming to remove him from office. were more effective, that Trump is bad for our culture and bad for society I don't think that's good for people. And I think it would probably, people would get a chance to see a side of him, lot of sense, exhibits real leadership capability. The problem is that's what people like to say.

2:48:47 She got that gray streak when she was serving overseas. Democrat, but That's the problem is that everybody has this thing in their head, and I'd like to think I've managed to avoid, is getting too angry. And by the way, I'm not saying this about And, you know, for Glenn to get on stage with him, And I think he was also going through a mental health breakdown.

2:52:04 He was alone. fucking thing i'd ever heard from him 100 true of course 100 true you know when someone like him That's not going to happen in the United States of America. other than that one guy um michael badden who was a uh autopsy specialist, the guy was in the autopsy show on HBO, who reviewed the case and said that his injuries were indicative of someone who was strangled, not indicative of someone who hung himself.

2:55:01 I think you're you are what I like in a journalist. I see what you're saying. with the espionage act. in the last 20 years. And it's so bizarre that that wasn't met with the kind of I wrote this a few weeks ago. He's ruined journalism. Right. Because Trump has a way of making everyone crazy and making people violate their own standards. I appreciate you, man. I really do.

2:59:31 I, I, you know, I, I wish people I were close to could see it that way. Um, Well, that's true. It's at alexbarrinson.substack.com. We are talking about sort of Twitter and big tech and all that stuff. All right, bye, everybody. it's been an experience thank you very much appreciate you brother alright bye everybody