Joe Rogan Experience #1868 — Sam Morril Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Yeah, there's this group of guys that are coming up that are so good That's so important. I don't want to give up any of it up. He's a rare combination of a great joke writer but also a great performer yeah i mean when he did trump speed dating in that sketch that was like i was like i'm i don't kyle dunnigan's impressions i love his bill maher impression i love like i i think if if if you nail

2:39 You nailed Trump. Right, right, right. like this guy got raped in seventh grade Exactly. Not the best intro. There was a roast joke. You can't knock the structure, though. It's a great joke. It's a great joke it's a great joke but i'm like And then versus someone 10 years younger than me, what they jerked off to. So they're immediately watching people fuck.

5:27 What kind of questions? Well, I say, first of all, don't do anything that's dangerous and addictive. Like they're Like, people say lower the drinking age. Some people. for a test drive i just don't get he's not a bad looking guy either it's like i don't know maybe person like what you just see the you like you know there's certain people when they virtue signal

8:15 Right. make sense like why he was saying it the way he was saying it. It's a great movie. It's a great movie. I mean, like, who can top, right there. It is now. Try re-watching Manhattan, and that's a tough, as a Jew from New York, that's a tough one to swallow right there. My friend Ronan Hirshberg has a great line about that movie where he said, it's basically a romantic comedy for pedophiles because the end of the movie is not like I fucked up by dating a

9:57 I definitely didn't see it. I mean, it's a little weird, right? that's crazy and then there's allegations from the other uh kids yeah. Were they coach? Were they not? Really bummed. that's what's, No. You know? I used to see him on the street all the time and I was like a counselor and I saw him what was the film that he made with was the guy with the fucked-up nose geez

12:48 he's playing Woody Allen you're playing Woody who's ever defended him I mean, Polanski's another one, right? We were talking about this the other day, that like Socrates and Plato, a lot of these guys that we associate with some of the most brilliant things that anybody ever wrote were pedophiles. But what's his face? Did you see Tim Dillon did Alec Baldwin's podcast?

14:32 Like, I can't act like. He's a straight up killer. How cool is that to do that to you? Who's making those different types of movies? I like to watch... You feel better if you watch something good on the road than if I love, I love standup so much. Well, it shows, it shows with how much you put out, It's out September 1st. People are like, I'm so terrified.

17:24 So I do the road every week to just... I need an hour. I can't write till you have a new act i'm like well that's not what i do i i need a workshop on the road so i do the i do the road every week to just i need an hour i can't write for 15 minutes put together a full hour of comedy. He's ruining comedy for us because he did this with the year and a half model.

18:24 And I did two years in 2014, 16, and 18. Everything was so tight. I remember Rock is so wise that whenever he says something, even if it doesn't make total sense, I'm like, let me listen. I'm like, I don't know if I can, I don't think that you'd need to do that for every special. No clubs were open. I was like, if you have beer and White Claw and a mic and amp and friends, I will come on your roof.

20:47 He was, And they were like, all right. how special this thing is that we get to do. And because it made people realize first of all how special this thing is How many people were up there? With a mask on outside. Like, we went everywhere. At the time, outdoor, I didn't know if I was going to get shit for that. New York's a city of hypochondriacs. Like, you have to be kind to your neighbor when you're this close at all times.

23:27 No, it's, you're right, it's cultural. It's therapeutic. It keeps you sane. and everything for like 45 minutes, an hour, sometimes two hours. And then we'd be uh it was like a good we had to drive from one casino to the next it was a casino run He was like, you're not good at turning is part of driving, you idiot. So he was furious when we got there. We're in this casino the band cheap trick. I guess they're

26:17 So we have to do a show while the Cardinals are kicking their fucking ass. And then he goes, all right, guys, Sam Morrell. home he's like dude i blacked out and i was like you seem fine i didn't know he was sneaking drinks Some of my best moments have been on the road. I'm in Wichita. That's Austin. It's a great club. polo shirts with the buttons yeah piss drunk he'd pick you up shit-faced in his uh convertible

28:54 you guys dinner at my place and we're like oh that's very nice of you so we show up and uh he's which you're like, how often do you hear someone do great bits what tribe are you in Raul? But the club was great, I mean, it's still great. the coolest movie oh he's been in so many cool movies man yeah those old school club owners did you ever do kansas city i've done the newer room there i never

31:15 And he was always trying to bang his waitresses and shit. I was like just appreciate this because this is like the last one of these dudes left and she was like I love it And I was like, why? Yeah. you're having the best time in your life. Yeah. yeah because it's not it's so hard to write an hour when those rooms are realize she was asking me to do that and i was like oh yeah someone should do that and she's

33:50 bombing so fucking hard and they had a giant poster like you know the sweats like you get to this guy and he's like man you fucking sucked like that was terrible that was so bad and i was is this guy you know and we end up in uh the bouncer is like he just says to the guy the guy's He's just buying, he's doing shots. out of nowhere. fuck it, I think yeah, I think that was a front. It was run by the mob. Yeah. Yeah, do you know about it?

36:45 I came back like I was back there again in a few weeks. her and it was of course it was just like me like dealing with hecklers the whole fucking animals in If you're around Harvard Square in Cambridge, it clearly influences. the people that come. One of my best friends lived there. I remember these guys met me in New York, and I was young, so I was like, man, oh, my

38:31 and I couldn't have had a better set. I was like all right with what I was talking about? It's one of those where I'm like, And I was like, that's the biggest man I've ever seen. I was like, fuck this shit. a cordless mic they hear everything i'm saying to her i sound like the biggest coward i am hated in Connecticut is rough, man. Between New York and Boston

41:15 And it's weird That was like the infamous set They want blood. But then it's weird. I love doing stand-up in Rhode Island. I can't imagine why this didn't go well. So a male stripper would go out and strip and then a female stripper. There was nothing going on. her ass of a snake that looked like it was like tattooed like in prison you know like one of them

43:54 And we were both kind of in the same part of our career. And I was dressed nice because my manager had convinced me, you should dress nice. So I'm dressed like I'm going out to a club. And it was so funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I remember he had a story on Ari's This Is Not Happening that was so freaking funny. Really? Like, on purpose. I'm just going to do stand-up.

46:03 Right. Aykroyd, it's not Like, the subject matter and the material that you could do is so, they could get wild. I remember, I was trying to get a, you know, for now I remember I was trying to get a you know for this special much i was like i said that you can't say hot chick i was like by the way there was a hitler I'm very happy with it. Cheers. They make it in Indianapolis.

48:34 That's how you sample it. It's a good name. I was like, wow, you're going to serve it here? Yeah. like dudes will give wine a bad name sometimes but like wine is fun to get fucked up on you If he says it's bad. He's an animal. I was like, I like this guy. I go, you really should quit, and you should really just be a stand-up. I mean, he was scared of, like, smoking pot on our show, on the podcasts.

51:30 Went on this, like, notorious rant against them when he left them. Oh, he loved to travel and to go to these little small dives and talk to the owner and see how they made the fish and chips. and these cultures and these communities. And I loved that every once in a while he would be like, hey, man, Detroit's fucked chef. I love that. And I love that he, every once in a while,

52:32 He was just, I was fucked up for a while. You're like, am I blowing it with Bourdain this time? and then went to dinner with him a bunch of times. locals have to let it go yeah that's part of the great food other people found out about it yeah And just like I'm not getting rid of that number. blame yourself for that shit well he was in a fucking terrible relationship. And it was also, that motherfucker would go hard.

55:21 And we all just got drunk around a campfire. What the fuck? always there damn yeah and you know you know you i you don't get to know little pieces of the tapestry. And it's also hard for him to open up around people because he was the man, you know, and everybody loved him. my favorite athletes growing up be starstruck well there's a thing about authenticity that

57:53 one of the most depressing lyricists of all time and someone said do you need to be depressed to But there's something about the fear that gets really dark yeah because then they've had they got this thing now which they were always Oh, yeah, and he never lost that it seemed. Yeah, no, I don't think he did. Yeah, it was a huge loss. does what get better like Life. Just life?

1:00:35 We all got blacked out drunk. you know it's it's the comic thing yes i know you're also, you know, you've done a lot at first I was so nervous to work there on at 1 a.m every night and you're like oh shit my lifestyle's really changing and then i look And he's so fucking funny. how this guy conducts himself. all think you're great and he said well i'm better than you guys and uh i mean he just never didn't

1:03:29 He's so focused on just doing stand-up. and he's like oh I'm a fucking hack and I'm like dude you're the best I've ever you're just playing the hits. Oh, don't I know it. What is your writing process like? I have Word documents that are like every week that are like, you know, jokes from this month, this year. Memorization. If anybody, you're looking for good ideas, they're not.

1:06:21 So I'll get there an hour early. They're really weird. like you're gonna do it with me tonight 270 people that's the perfect amount of people it's perfect I mean Tim Dillon's here Tom Segura Christina does Tim live here full-time now Tim has a house here And so it turned out that this road like all the oil and shit it's going to go right in the creek so you have to build a 1.2 million

1:08:57 I'm not doing this. like i'll take you over there i can't wait to see the structure, what it's going to look like. I'll take you over there. I can't wait to see it. There's just me. go to anywhere you want to go from there so if you want to if you got gigs somewhere on a friday Yeah, any club that doesn't put the comic first is like it's bound to fail. I played so many fucking bad clubs

1:10:58 That was a bad one. under i was literally the last comic to set on stage there and uh i text but you know, a couple of nights in Vegas is fun. Yeah. At least Vegas people think they're We keep switching who's early on in my career. It wasn't like a good weekend to begin with. I remember rolling out of the show and just passing him at a poker table, shit face, just poking at people going, you fucking fish.

1:13:31 I'd work out, go to the pool hall, go to the comedy club at night, and then go back to the pool hall, stay at the pool hall until 4 o'clock in the morning. important to them it was like to get that little rush the fucking nine ball goes in yes like they He's like, the fucking Minnesota Lynx loss. You could bet on most things. I bet on it early on. he would come to a lot of the fights

1:15:47 I don't know about that one. 85%. Every now and then, I'm like, this doesn't make any sense. dumped some some guys are very good as the hammer but not so good as the nail right they don't some do with your money. But I don't want to ever – I don't want to give my money to chance. five ten grand a weekend and then you put a grand on a game you're like oh and then you're like well

1:18:28 So I went to a private gig with Drew. It's you, Dana, and Whitney. So I introduce her. with my friend rachel feinstein in this and ray allen in an orthodox jewish home in montclair I'm just like dumping liquor. were like in this bubble you know those types of people where they're like they don't go out for I can't stop laughing. They just tell me he's a great singer,

1:20:50 It's fantastic. Yeah. My friend Steve Rinell always says there's two kinds of fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to hear about you falling flat on your face. Oh, dude. i'll write long form and then i'll try to make it funny i'm like where's i mean i i fall ass that's So it's like you got gotta just throw shit at the wall he didn't play by the rules you could say i knew you were going somewhere

1:24:09 Yeah, it's good to, But yeah, Because they have local references Year's he's so funny this guy Dan Bolger and like holy shit that I have to work I was like this dude They're waiting for that moment where they can fucking do not do breakup material they're like you know like i have to like placate these fucking couples you know I kind of hate the expectation of something that isn't the show.

1:26:41 it's fucking, But I don't know. That's the first place I went up, is the comic strip. You don't really know what you're doing. My parents were like, we feel like you're doing this for the wrong reasons. Yeah. They always think of you as a beginner. So that was pretty tough because I was going up left 80 people in the crowd remained and i'm like please just don't be that bad that you walk people and this guy had a fucking nervous

1:29:21 and i was like all right and uh and then I was at the club for fucking years. I kill. And he just trashed me. So I come back the next week. Yeah. Well, that's how it always is. And I made some good friends there, but I ended up leaving. No one, I'm not convincing anyone to go see a show with this energy. but I got to work on these, So I was like, They followed up with all these clubs that were willing to participate and like the B and C rooms would headline me

1:32:55 And, yeah, it was, like, really working. And I loved it. So then when you get a good crowd, you just, you bite them and they're like, what did we So you get good at comebacks, but you're not jokes right when when they're just screaming shit out, you know And it was, I opened for Jim Jefferies. for getting my parents on board you know i think my mom was like he was very shocking but he's uh

1:35:48 Like my ADD is so bad. Because you care about it though. with what it means and needs medication. maybe there's a benefit to that. I'm very interested in some things, but I'm only interested in what I'm interested in. It was pointless. But I will say, those pills, holy shit. Like, if I, I was like, oh, yeah, maybe I'm not meant to know a shitload about pre-algebra or something, you know? But I will say those pills, holy shit.

1:38:01 I mean, shit, dude. Not a ton. They're old. There's a lot of those guys. I know my friend Jay, he was in his 60s, that is over there and you send money yeah, it should be a fortune cookie. It's humans. Damn. I mean, you got the gym here. I don't need anything that gives me confidence. I like being nervous. Late show, I like a drink. they can't stop doing that once they once they start doing that stuff they want to do it all the time i just know way too many people

1:41:44 they're addictive And what it is is you go to a doctor, and the doctor's in a pain management center. And then you go a mile away to another pain management center. Damn. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, you know that doc, The Pharmacist? It's also scary that that's legal. Like, these people are getting it legally, and it's ruining everyone's lives. Yeah, they get him on pain pills and now he's fucked. He's fucked. He's still fucked all these years later It's two decades later his life's a mess can't keep a job

1:45:10 But if they get that high in them, they're like, ah, everything's amazing. yeah and so you just try it again and ah life's amazing and you just keep going to that and that's well why do you have to drink on a date? It's the same way I look at tools like if you had a joke about it my act if you had a hammer It's not true. But if you're telling me that some people don't have self-control and they have one or two drinks and then they get gerbil eyes and they're gone.

1:47:21 Yeah, yeah. Most people are doing drugs. though. Like I'll stick, I like coffee. I'm going to stick with coffee. That's probably it. it's interesting though it's weird to see a 27 year old me on television going jesus christ to fight that makes me feel like i'm lying why it just feels like a lie like if i didn't have video Now it's a link. Yeah. and like,

1:50:39 to be on netflix or i want to be on hbo i want to be a world-renowned headline well netflix wasn't I want people to come out and pay to see me. and I'm like, I'll take a lifeboat. like what it used to be is you were just you were hoping and praying that someone would like shine a And then they find out, oh, Sam's coming to Chicago. which was hot death and not fun i but i'd always try to run them off the rails because i was like

1:53:10 I didn't get and he had Because I'm like, this is the only way anyone's ever going to see this. So if you play Pittsburgh, you're welcome. That's the problem with morning radio. You're hot up on energy. So that's a tough thing. But you know, it's it's it's a different time disrupting the high society party, Rodney was the funniest dude he's got a great

1:55:12 yeah he's in his 50s You're impossible. It's like, that's perfect. The best. Kinison. The Hicks set was legendary, of course. Oh, my God god but i remember robert schimmel opened this is an opening joke And he goes, don't say that. I was such a big fan. He was just so warm and so friendly and was so nice. And it's fun, Too many comics have died. of his specials dude yeah see him live seeing him live was magic that motherfucker i he was so

1:58:29 They were like I hate hearing that. Yeah. I should be bigger that's poison he just wanted to be a different thing like back and hated the fact that he had to work in Houston. What you want is it to be better. Well, that's outside your control, that stuff. Yeah, I mean, him killing himself was tragic. like whatever he i think that's part of the problem is like think about how great he was

2:01:36 buying you're buying you're telling me about your corvette that you're buying like ew what kind of It's a fucking great room. Just to fucking hang out at that place. I saw Jenny go up and do that Corvette bit there, feel bad and it's not like you like life is a fantastic weird magical Yeah. But it's hard to keep that in perspective So like you're supposed to-

2:03:32 oh, my God, I'm about to go into blackness. sleep you you know you the comfort of the fact you're going to get up in eight hours is what because I have kids and I have a wife I feel guilty. Whatever's on. I was watching Werewolf Hunter the other night. but it never really panned out. Yeah. then now you're 40 and they don't want you anymore because you're 40 they're looking for a 30 year

2:06:21 Darius yeah, he was in Oz Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like Chris Pratt is a better example. like those old movies like the sweet smell of success where they're like i'll destroy you in my column and i'm like that's fucking over that's over that's fucking really hardcore comedy movies anymore they don't make them anymore like think about Do they really get attacked though?

2:09:22 They went for it. Do you know what would have to happen? and they have to show that they're for freedom of speech. in the organizations, right? So you get kids that are coming right out of college, fully and demanded to be heard in the middle of like Netflix. that people want to see like Tarantino earlier it doesn't fly anymore A shitload of people were involved in that movie.

2:12:15 But I do feel like he is the dude in Swimming with Sharks he played. And then all of a sudden it's on and popping, you know? whatever group is most marginalized that month, what's good for business and they think this is good content of the people that put out, that with the artist. I also think, like, you know, And then my agent was like, Netflix wants your special. And I and i was like all right it'll be a different audience that will

2:14:38 So you had a huge audience. Yeah. But in his defense, he was like, I don't get why you wouldn't get paid for it. You'll make way more in touring. Everybody back in that era wanted a sitcom. Late Night with David Letterman on YouTube? And I think, like a lot of people bestow wisdom, and just put it online and sell ads for it, Yeah, I was on the show a bunch of times. Yeah

2:17:31 And then it was Opie and Anthony because Opie and Anthony opened up the door for just a hang. Yeah. It was Nick DiPaolo and fucking Bill Burr and Ari Shafir. Animals. Because Opie and Anthony were brutal in how they trashed everything. They're savages. It was like a great crew. Oh, God. I was like, I cannot believe 35 plus years Yeah, He's always been hilarious.

2:20:33 Love Keith. look how nervous this guy is. and before me was Wanda Sykes and Keith. And Wanda's note was like, hey, Joe, great to see you. You know, he had a second stroke, unfortunately, and he's lost use of his arm, He's a great a great great hang and that I would genuinely look forward to. He's so funny, man. because it was hard to capture what was so funny

2:24:00 it was like you you you beat him up with jokes yes you beat up and it felt like dennis was a where Dennis was huge right then. I don't like when comics treat other comics as if they're not the same thing. Did you always want to be the man? went, you know, It's not you know who doesn't do that shit like Ray Romano shows the seller and he's like oh going after you

2:26:46 Yeah. Like, he wants, wants like small crowds. he's like, The bad gigs will come at every level. about your rent anymore not being horrible. delivering food you know for door dash and you go wow there's something wild about that there's minute every week in front of the air and kills the guy writes constantly and uh what kind of He's, like, always got his laptop out.

2:30:43 is the best fucking place and they go there. I'm telling them this is the best fucking place. And they go there and they go, holy shit, this is the best place. You get like a small town way of people interacting with each other. I don't even know their name. They appreciate live comedy. They'll be able to do family-friendly, family-oriented shit But it's insane, dude.

2:33:13 kind of keeps you alert you know so there's a lot more aggressive people it's aggressive dude it's But yeah, I'm a woman late at night. A lot of good movies. You know, there's something about that. maybe Chicago comedy city and you feel that And you know what's great about Bill Hicks? he's calling the crowd dumb yeah and it's not like just some comic who's it's a great comic

2:37:01 jokes and he was up there talking about young man on acid thought he could fly when you had performed there in the green room somebody wrote on the green room quit trying to When he was like kind of condescending to the crowd, because of the smoke and it's like, It's all in the context of time. No one can do this. i love when how often did cool jews pop up and show but like he's one of the coolest one of the

2:40:09 and I have allergies his name is Jewish he's a smart science guy Mortsall. you know what the problem is? But when you live too long sometimes, it ain't as cool. I mean, Bill Hicks, too. he would have been great you're like whoa in Carrot Top's act But he was always like a punchline to comedians. Scott's very isolated before he died and Hicks That's a big thing that people miss, too, is that, like, most of the time we're fucking around.

2:43:47 Me like they got their own shit. I I don't want I don't want beef with people. I'm too fucking old Like, we could all go that way. It takes away from things that you really want to do yeah it takes away from things that are actually Walrus Whisperer. an evil organization yeah that's what smarter than you It's a fucking shitty existence, man. I know it's my whiskey, but I fucking like it.

2:46:21 Yeah. I don't think it's a bad thing In Taiji, right? They have a language that we don't understand. They just didn't need to evolve all the things that we need to evolve to survive in the above water world right? in a nice way like so it can't move but Quick. Javier Bardem. I mean, dude. John Turturro. I heard it's incredible. I'm going to watch it.

2:50:05 If you think about the time period that people, like, traveled to the West and all that lawlessness was going on, you're not dealing with more than 100 years. Yeah. And what they were basically doing years, they dominated all of the So they were murdering everybody. Like you think, New balances on. So cool. We're so young, dude. This was like to get across this country

2:52:59 It's kind of cool. I'm one of the dudes who's like, yeah, I'm that dude. And the horses would run away. Just fucking dying. You're seeing them on top of a ridge watching you die slowly. You fought to the death because if you lived, they did the most horrific that they used to use. hacked their legs off Lower bar for entertainment back then. They were constantly raiding.

2:55:05 i took an amtrak it's not that far you know like you hate me tribalism sure it's one of the worst I said, with that shirt? a right wing virtue signal. That's all that is. Yeah. It's really pissed off. That's just like a right wing virtue signal. Yes, you're trying to fight people. Like that's so crazy. gullible like narrow-minded right-wing uh caricature sure you know that we all like

2:57:16 look at all these fucking cool, creative people that came out of this one place And this guy's like, fucking if you ain't white, you ain't right. Unfortunately. which is that he- i was like what is i don't even know what a malignant narcissist is and i was reading about That's what it is. that was this was this was hire henchmen and hire a PR agent, and you can kind of build your own status and do a lot more

3:00:21 The first of these is narcissistic personality, and this is a trait, of narcissism which we don't talk about as much in the normal world but that's vulnerable narcissism So you're talking about it's like basement narcissists, narcissism you have a high level of it you know like Trump or you know a lot of And so you can destroy that. Yeah. Yeah. who are living in their mom's basement,

3:03:41 What do you do if you're an incel? If you're an incel, what kind of advice would anyone give to an incel that would work? That's part of work on it. You can work on your personality worst case of all the bad luck and a lot of bad life experiences. But you also might be attracting those people with your personality if you're so negative. You need them.

3:05:58 I'm fucking stupid, yeah. Like, if he just hung there like that, it would just be excruciating pain. I was just in horrible pain on the road every week. I would, like, well, you know, I've had a few drinks, and I feel pretty good right now. And I just would always play ball in the park. only jewish superbowl mvp by the way really badass yeah i mean he's a fucking beast and he's such a bad, he's only Jewish Super Bowl MVP, by the way. Really? Badass. Yeah, I mean, he's a fucking beast, and he's the best dude.

3:07:58 and we recap the greatest sports games in history. Oh, that's awesome. Stavros is the funniest human being maybe I know like insanely funny that's He's just like, he's a character. a lot of them too and you have to coordinate with other people's schedules so hard yeah like theo Oh, we do. know we do like uh you know we have a full bar so we have bartenders we have a bartender in studio

3:10:31 The guests are amazing, man. It was a lot of fucking fun. You too, man. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody.