Joe Rogan Experience #1873 — Brigham Buhler Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. So how did you get involved in this, the whole stem cell world? and so I was a business major in college. I took the sales class and for shits I took 24 hours in summer school. I got a letter from the dean or to the letters from four students. And they just kind of gave me unique ways to get my credits, if that makes sense at

3:11 I didn't really have a means of comparison And the drug I got to launch was Cialis. Avomed had started and it already existed, but it wasn't as strict. when I got into it at first, it was so, uh, surreal weeks to Indiana and they had, you know, doctors coming in and educating us and had to learn about In the early days, if you look at medicine and what it used to be, a doctor knew their patients.

6:28 That's it. And there's already three, four-month wait lists to get in with primary care at a lot of states. reimbursement. And so they have seven minutes to get you in and out of there to get to the next That's the only way you'll sustain your job. It's the only way you'll be successful. And they come to you for, hey, what's going on with this? I got to see a patient every seven minutes. I'm literally working my ass off doing my best to navigate the broken insurance model, where if I submit to get like so many patients say to me,

10:19 They're not doing a deep dive because one, they don't have the time to do a deep dive. you know, and make it so much of a pain in the ass earnings. If I can, the whole system set up that way now, that's the problem. Like whether it's the government's not really regulating a lot of the wining and dining and stuff that Big Pharma opportunity at, you know at getting good results.

14:00 Like you're in the top 5% or whatever of the sales force. It was fun. It's a vasodilator. uh, type medications. modules, you train online, you have to take tests that are timed, and then you go off to like school at the corporate office where you're literally there, I think it was like four to six weeks, You know, it's so hard. But based off the results of the study, which, as you know, could be an anomaly, the women didn't fracture disproportionately more than they would have with these other drugs that I competed against.

17:35 shit they told us not to talk about explain off-label promoting so uh let me think of an were literally promoting it for people with migraines uh and they were put pumping these They get off. to extend the patent. like long delivery system, the problem with that is it's 10 times more addictive than hydrocodone. So then you go, non-addictive. We have a great safety profile. The other thing that happened is they went to the FDA

22:13 drinking wine and eating steaks all of them started getting addicted. I mean, it was rampant. And the system was trash because study or any of that I bring up is available on the website. Um, what they did was, uh, I don't know. They were literally growing. They were doing what people do in the marijuana trade. They were is getting out of control. The addiction

25:06 opioids so they launched a 200 milligram pill and gave people more opioids oh my god there's a short, he puts her on Oxy. He puts her on a bunch of other meds. She ends up passing out all over and I've seen stuff like this happen, So the doctor got her back on pills. hundreds of thousands of dollars in consulting fees from Purdue Pharma and was paid as a

27:45 and they're going to help. and that's a problem. meant to treat children with ADHD. I'm 23 and had graduated college Instead of Adderall and all these stuff. Um, and so you bleed it, like you get really passionate would be a good one to give you. They can take a drug and the patent's about to expire. All right, The disease states change. Purdue Pharma.

31:05 Yeah, I think it was 12 out of the last 15 heads of the FDA have taken jobs in private Just because somebody works for the government doesn't mean they're good. And that's one layer of what's happening. And now corporate has to report that back to the FDA, depending on the event. And I choose from a drop-down menu, like multiple choice. and this thought leader told you this stuff.

34:27 the most ethical company in big pharma and again i'm not saying they were unethical i'm really not to be able to do this and nobody's here and it's me and my buddy having wine at a bar like do I talk about these to report it and there would be emails about if there's an adverse event, you have to report it. And trainings on if there's an adverse event, you have to report it. But that wasn't what happened in the field. If you reported something, all of the sales forces pissed at you.

37:12 She's lean. Now she's, like, been in and out of the hospital. So I'm like, man, that's so crazy to me. launching that, hey, I think we have a problem here. Patients are showing addictive tendencies. pain and so it just it it went crazy like breakthrough infections when they're trying to that got vaccinated. that so many people I'll say this. Yeah, they can't.

41:08 It was a sign of virtue. Everyone wants to feel safe. this is like, this doctor's telling me all these people are gaining weight. Well, you know, in the early stages of depression, when somebody comes out the other end of these, uh, depressed psychotic And so they walk out of it with an enormous amount of profit, no matter what, even though Yeah. they do require large studies and they do typically require safety data in humans,

44:28 Yeah. And there's no human trials. But it's not just big pharma. and we treat the symptoms, not the root cause. And it's because the model is built And they know we got to hit these numbers. bad, but big insurance controls more than people realize. Like it's, it controls every aspect of And the goal was to sort through all these new medications coming on the market.

48:47 a hot button right now. Everyone talks about insulin and the cost of insulin. When Eli Lilly the analytics say. And all this is also on the website. I put all this out there. control 82 percent of the prescript three the three big pharmacy benefit managers control 82 So the people who decide what drug goes on formulary, what your copay is, what your

51:24 I would sell her Metformin for $4. So you give it, like, I could have saved her $6, but I can't disclose to her that. talking about? If we didn't save money. So they created these nets. And so this gets tricky And it's gotten out of hand. they're like uh they're a very small pbm but they control the governmental pay and so even that gets clinicians, and say, Hey, here's the reason why you'd want to pull blood work, all the things that is now ways to well.

54:53 get ahead of it before they progress and the disease state or the hole gets too big that they You know, this guy's 33. Insurance doesn't fucking cover it. So it's an amazing test. And we launched it. It's a cheek swab. You drop it in an envelope. Within 48 hours, we know your unique genetic makeup, what your like let's so this is a known variable and it's not taken into consideration when they prescribe OXYs?

57:44 they've got an array of tools in their tool belt. the insurance quit covering. They used to cover that and they stopped covering in the majority Because they need to keep funneling those profits in. med device, man. I wait till we talk. Med device. Med device is anything in the operating room, an implantable, a pacemaker, a knee, a shoulder, mesh, stitches, sutures, anchors, screws, plates, all of it.

1:00:19 bone it's to uh if you break in your wrist it's to set that and so when we start talking about the But where it gets crazy with big medical, and I didn't know this when I was in medical, they have a process. entity, but it's funded by private industry. the market's grown so fast and they're over there understaffed. They call it a daisy chain. camera systems that would go into the body and allow physicians to have visibility without

1:03:15 The plan was less than 10% of the products in the operating room would go through this process. because what was happening, metal on metal, the metal's grinding and metal shards are breaking off and getting into the bloodstream and people were getting metal poisoning. happen in the, the uterus began to eat the met, like scar and swell around the mesh and cause all

1:05:34 as soon as they have adverse events now it's like well shit we didn't really do a study to see 80 it's actually 82 of all cause mortality is preventable 82 of the shit that's killing Americans is preventable. And without having to rapidly, there are more people there's, I think it's in the next decade, Where are these people going They never pay that price.

1:08:34 by eight, nine months into the year My friend's mom is mentally ill and she has schizophrenia and She thinks there's a chip in her brain. I mean, it is such a cascade effect of decline. most people end up back under the knife, Everyone that I know that's gotten fused is fucked, including Ronnie Coleman, who came in here, who has his whole back done.

1:12:25 You can't get stem cells in the United States. The other component is the founder of these MSCs, the scientist who discovered these mesenchymal These are mesenchymal signaling cells, not stem cells. That's not good or bad. So they will give their mitochondria to dying cells. are important things to know. The second is these tissues are all placental derived, meaning placental

1:16:39 They take them to an ISO-certified lab. They run them through a rigorous screening process. One in the body. Now, is there a benefit to that? I don't, my answer to that would be that I don't because what their doctor will say is, oh, that's bullshit. There's no live cell. You can't do stem And so this stuff works. I understand where the FDA is coming from. Their stance is,

1:19:40 get covered. But then what happened is it got in the marketplace and people began to do with bad players doing bad stuff. That's it. Like even, even the adverse events, like, So there is no financial incentive to embrace this technology. It's 20 years. You know, I mean, it does. But what does the patient have to go through to get to that end fucking knee for 25 years. Literally we've changed it. It's metal. Now it's plastic. Now it's

1:23:58 He's making less money per joint than he's ever made in his life. And now that's even controlled. Like they do. That's just where we're at. They control what reimbursements are on surgeries. not allowing patients to get blood work. I saw the pressure they put on these providers. didn't see pharma as a bad guy. I just It's like, man, you're in the operating room.

1:28:21 nobody ever gives you a bad message. I carry thousands of products, You're not here to data dump. I was one of two guys to never miss a number. But the stress was high as shit. You're a hundred percent commission. I mean, it was scary. And so the first year I ended up making quota like with I stood in surgery from dusk till dawn I got up at 4 a.m I got home at nine o'clock at night

1:31:29 I went from thinking I'm going to get a paycheck for all my hard work to I made zero. I burned, And he did. Because again, it's not about patient outcomes. If you miss, you're going to the loser's breakfast where you get cold eggs and like they give you a speech about how to Like how do you go and eventually And I remember I was like sitting in my house. and i got a phone call from a stepmom screaming

1:35:28 you the stuff I think is good. And so I'd like, if you want to try it, we can try it, but I would things happen in the state of Texas. Your orthopedic surgeon owns the braces that get put on your knee and marks them up. off to just a random MRI center, send it off to your MRI center and you own in. And I'll manage like, how this works. attorneys, healthcare compliance attorneys, just data downloading, trying to understand how does

1:39:09 because it gets wild, dude, wild. I went out and I hired Dr. Bill Massey, who sat on Donald Trump's And physicians are legally allowed to have a passive interest, meaning so the way the everyone buys in, everyone has equal equity, everyone gets a distribution on the success or And so when applied topically, It was so dirty. If this was your mother, if this was your daughter,

1:42:22 So there's that aspect. Then I went out and got a fair market value and tell me what I can and can't do. And so I spent all this money, launch all of this and get it all I thought this was going to be my career. are criminals. And the doctors just didn't understand it. Long story short, he ended up coming back. So what happened when I started this, I always say you can't judge somebody and former DOJ prosecutors was, as long as you don't touch governmental pay, you can have a physician invested model. Just make sure you run it right and you follow the rules and you do your best to

1:46:15 me way more money than you. And I would just send it on to my FBI agent and go, Hey, you go talk to Like, oh, the insurance companies won't reimburse on this stuff. that I was in, as I built out my pharmacy, that space blew up. And so what happened is people Doctors are getting kickbacks. Doctors are making crazy money off of all these ancillaries and they're defrauding us, the insurance companies, on these tests or whatever it may be. That's their side of the story. And there is truth to that in some instances.

1:49:23 after surgery. So you don't have to write an an opioid and what spurred that was the death of my brother like having seen what opioids No, but it's fascinating. So much. but I already gave your patients the meds. and I want to give the big insurance companies credit too. I don't want to say all bad. They're scumbags and there are people doing really bad things. And that is who the insurance company and these corrupt companies. That's the insurance company's narrative.

1:51:45 also you can't correct it. There's no fixing it. That's what I was trying. That's that's where I And this is because of eating habits, stress? Like, this is it. I want you to go get a blood panel. I've seen the Wizard of Oz. I know what's going on now. These motherfuckers are denying coverage. What have you been doing? And I'm like, God damn it. killers of man can be reduced by optimizing your hormone levels. We are going to get you to optimal levels.

1:55:52 And there was no way to do that organically? They're going to be more tired. would be to any clinician. Show me a study that's going to boost my testosterone 500 fold or diagnosed with low T a year. And he starts breaking all of that down for me and explaining it. But what I believe in is like what he explained to me, and this is what I would explain to the layman.

1:58:53 And it's going to take all of these things being dialed in to get improvement. I went from 25 to, and I became obsessed with like biohacking. How do we do this better? Do you even know all the root causes of what's going on with this patient? And the doctors don't want to have that conversation. So did you try HCG? And in order to play beautiful music, every hormone has to be optimized. And so we can't

2:02:13 They cause cancer. If I suppress it, I can slow the progression of prostate cancer. This was the thought leader in urology, the godfather of urology back in the 1940s. And this is important to get out. from the Dr. Huggins study It's on the website too. So yes, of course, when you take someone from chemically castrated to normal. It went up, it went down, it went up, it went down. And so at that point,

2:06:42 for so long. And med schools taught these primary care providers that this was going to cause prostate cancer or exasperate it, so they didn't touch it with a 10-foot pole. bringing this up because I listen, I'm a huge fan of David Sinclair too. And I listened to one of But when we look at testosterone, it's been on the market since the 1930s. 13% of men developed prostate cancer. There was no increase in the level of prostate cancer. So is prostate cancer primarily

2:09:16 killers of man, and this is how I started WasteWell, I looked at the primary care practices, that's when we built out our pharmacy and we started doing an array of different testosterone Because I've talked to intelligent people. and the lock is your cells. And so what happens is these peptides will go and bind to protein injuries and ailments, but a lot of times we're using a multitude of treatment modalities combined,

2:12:46 But the mice that didn't did not. their sailors, on all their people that were enlisted. And then they even used it in Chernobyl. And that's why I was talking about the crucial side of where does the money come from? insurance won't cover any of these things so if you act a primary care they're not going to know He asked his doctor about BPC. And you got to be real.

2:16:28 Yeah, there's a lot of stuff going on in stage three trials now. I think your buddy, there's a wide array of them. Some of them work, some of them don't. But the studies are promising. there's got to be studies and data. Anything I've discussed with you and that you've seen is anecdotal because we haven't put them through a study. Those are just three.

2:18:44 foot under his butt 157. That's the goal. Can we triggering your body to heal itself. That's the goal. There's a reason for that. was one of the things that came up and it was like, okay, well, yeah, of course that guy's a quack. these again, these cells have been around thousands and thousands of years. This is that's the guy sitting at the bench those are the the guys doing all the, like Sinclair, doing the studies in mice, on the cutting edge, in the know, on the very first to do clinical trials.

2:22:56 tear was gone. And he said, this is the most extraordinary thing I've ever seen. He said, I mean, I do cleans and presses with 70-pound kettlebells. When Tim Kennedy came in, he's like, is this real science or is this bullshit? And then we treated it. Talk to a clinician, do your research, educate yourself, understand that a lot of times clinicians

2:25:18 is less on the placental derived tissue side and more on the hormone optimization side in the state of Texas. insurance co-payer deductible. So there's that space. The other is in the regenerative space, And that creates an environment that increases the potential than a surgery. So what would be the benefit of going to these places, like going to Columbia?

2:28:42 That's really the only difference. And that's understandable, but this is human tissue, right? We get phenomenal results with the products that are readily available here in the U.S. we'll heal your spine, we'll heal your, administering them as stem cells. And so I understand where the FDA is getting weird about The judge ruled in favor of the providers, the judge in this instance. So the FDA will either have to appeal it or precedent is set that physicians are going to have the autonomy to be able to potentially use those treatments and

2:32:58 So thank you. If you're overweight, if you're struggling with your weight, if you're trying to get in shape, we can help. And if you're not, there are interventions that are out there but it's going to take cash pay model