Joe Rogan Experience #1878 — Roger Waters Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! You've got to get a little warmed up. oh, well, maybe we could have a game. You've got your tour. And they would come in, having listened to the song a bit, and I would rehearse them And they weren't allowed to play. BDS? And so it's a movement to try and shine a light on the predicament of the Palestinian And since then, we have made great strides in that movement.

5:17 to go and do a gig in Tel Aviv is that and I went yeah right I didn't I didn't think twice about it which had sold out, of course, in a few minutes, you know. So something about peace. because Palestinians aren't allowed to travel. they knew the work very well It was euphoric at the end of the gig It was like steel shutters had come down behind the eyeballs of every one of those 60,000 young array.

8:57 You know, things that you wouldn't believe possible anywhere on the world, like different roads for people with different religion. You have to go on back roads. which means that they're Jewish Israelis. I mean, it's so weird that it's hard to get your mind around believing that that is the case, That is the work that BDS has done. And maybe we should talk about something else because I'm – if you wind me up, I might

12:04 Peter Robinson It's the oppression of one ethnic group by another ethnic group. compassion for the plight of the Palestinian people that made them categorize you as anti-Semitic? the government are of the Jewish faith means that they can somehow feel they before the start of the Zionist enterprise, Well, it became a big part of my life the day my father died, I think.

16:27 Her father ran a business that was sort of middleman in fancy goods, toys and things like that. And it was a huge eye-opener to her. This would have been in 1935, 36, something like that, you know in it wherever it is in the world it's always called the friends meeting house You don't have to subscribe to people's beliefs. I'd just gone through a phase where I suddenly realized I was going to die.

20:17 going to give you some advice now go on then mom all through your life you're going to be faced That's what Smokonish was telling me. learn everything you can about the But when you've done that, the work is over. Imagine giving, every young adolescent should be given that advice by a parent or someone they respect, you know. Like it sounds, it resonates. It sounds so powerful and

22:43 Let's call it the promised land. I meant the Middle East. and what the right thing to do might be? you know before you expressed an opinion and their brothers and sisters and the misery and pain And that was the end of it. now, by the second, it gets more and more and more and more dangerous, as this thing Okay. He's going to invade Poland and then he'll invade the rest of Europe.

27:25 You cannot, if you do that, you will start World War III. Yeah, how is she? Yeah. There was none of that. What you were essentially saying That's true. What I never understood was that Tibet is one The Himalayas, all the glacial streams, they feed water, just to India and Pakistan but also to the northeast of the whole of China as well. world desperately needs and

31:19 They actually went, you know, would you like to borrow some money? Which is more of an American ploy. They said thank you, yeah. want to invest in underdeveloped countries, It's a terrifying case because there's no reason why they had that man in prison. United States would be to look at, look at the facts of the matter and come to the conclusion who doesn't have bottomless pockets,

34:02 world which is a scary precedent that they were able to arrest Dossinger like that, Incredible that the media is ignoring it, too. Right. they're called the ruling class That doesn't exist anymore. Well, it is outrageous, of course. in support of Steven Donziger and his freedom for the last 10 years. And they have no idea what we're there for I don't know if you saw, but I did an interview with Rolling Stone

37:57 and well it doesn't matter. Yeah, of course he is. Anyway. I may have to search. I'm absolutely certain. I'll just say letter and see what comes. So, dear President Putin, since the Russian Federation invaded Ukraine on February the 24th this year, If you were to reply all stop playing the desperately dangerous game of nuclear chicken that the hawks on both sides of the Atlantic seem so comfortable with and have at it.

41:49 Assuming such a peace could be negotiated, it would have to include an absolute binding agreement not to invade anyone ever again. If you were to reply to me, He said one thing that could be seen as combative, which I can remember he said. to the table, I want to cease fire, I want to negotiate, negotiate peace, not dictate I will not negotiate with Russia until Putin has been removed.

43:53 It's also not likely to happen. So that was her thing. She said, but they are also very naive. Why can't I Oh, here it is. It used to be called Why Cannot the Good Prevail? Here in America, there is at heart a people just and true, open, sometimes to the point of ridicule. On campuses, in boardrooms, over giving thanks and pumpkin pie, But the idea of a younger generation coming up and saying,

48:37 actually going on versus what you're being told yeah that people just sort of lose interest in it till their dying day, like me, for instance. Sometimes it doesn't feel like it does, but that signal does get out there. Which is huge because that jogs a bit of my brain that wants to say, go on then, if you That's the number one thing. because I sent you a stick of my show.

51:15 But one of the things that's so cool about your show is that you do – you have all of these messages that are tied into the music. So it's all kind of, it's all very relevant. to make money. Yeah. I mean, you look at what's going on, like Nancy Pelosi just shot down this Well, you got your money. You got $200 million? I'm sure it's true of Russian oligarchs and Chinese oligarchs.

54:03 But I'll tell you what it was and it's about... Yeah, he's very soft spoken. Could you grinned at least? And then he throws his laptop away and it goes through the window and comes down not be greedy? And he's now in cahoots with the FBI What did he have to say? Well, if I ever hear about Russiagate again, in fact, I did hear about it again. Right.

58:01 some Russian disinformation leading towards the election. term, like limiting the engagement, like how are you doing that? What does that mean? you should go out and murder children. And where did that story come from? We should start the nuclear war now. Yeah. that's a that's such an insane perspective yeah i haven't got i wonder how many people say things

1:01:53 that's sort of the beginning of it and the FOMO and the this and that That would be great. with something as flimsy when you create something And then it became what it is now because people realize, well, this is a tool to distribute information, and you can just put up anything. and they want Meta to be the biggest company in the world Chevron shareholders are going to the AGM now and telling them to pay the indigenous people

1:04:29 Yeah. He's the one that's you know, you will own nothing and you'll be happy like It is. I met him once. And people will want to hang me for it because it doesn't. And that grin he's got. And then obviously he was killed. But I thought it was a really interesting meeting because I've never understood his whole thing of, you know, George W. Bush is a good bloke.

1:07:44 They all knew it was a lie. Forget about it. Anyway, I know that I probably shouldn't have told you that story or said any of that stuff. I've seen the paintings of his feet that he did in the bath. that were lost, the way the world has changed, the way the world thinks of America post 9-11 is so different. From September 11, 2001 to today, it's just a complete

1:10:34 They've hunted and hunted and hunted. Yes, he's still alive. and assured them of his intentions That's why Desert Storm or whatever the first one was called happened. in our hearts or in our soul and it's a place where we can converse with others and share because what I've discovered things and have different opinions about but we have to allow one another to express our opinions

1:13:55 That without going on Facebook But then when you put up a photograph of Biden and said he was a war criminal, then people like, wait a minute, you're on the wrong side now. interview the other night going we are going to help the ukrainians fight to the death jesus he Paul Wolfowitz told Wesley Clark Yeah, that speech where he discusses that. Somalia's gone.

1:17:37 Wars were planned seven countries in five years on YouTube. I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and We're going to war with Iraq. few weeks later. And by that that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. Just wild to hear him lay that out. They have open slave trade that you could watch on YouTube. So I'm making that point that this foreign policy I've written another letter to somebody, which I haven't posted yet.

1:21:29 I'll remember in a minute. How do you go about that? a guitar or a piano and with a legal pad and a barrow and hey presso sometimes something pops So it comes kind of quite easily once I've had a first idea. And it's quite funny, but it's deep as well. But you never sit down intentionally to write like that? I don't have that. So I work when I think

1:25:05 We have a golden trough after the show, the text or the but I'm changing it constantly. I had, it was my production manager, Chris Cansey, He's reminiscing. there's this huge excitement to go then we could do this we could do that or I It's a really great book. And you get to about 10 pages from the end and you find yourself putting it down quicker because you don't

1:27:54 I wasn't really expecting a reply. And then... Cormac McCarthy I do because we were talking about writing Pretty well. And just pull the laptop over and write another chapter about something different or leaving the singer-songwriters, you know, or any of that stuff. But look out, Marl, there's a white boat coming up the river. So you don't really consume rock and roll music?

1:31:49 Really? You know, the more you risk, the more you potentially lose, connection is only that you love them they appreciate you you love them good night everybody very moved but they also go shows and and the people sort of get it but it's still it still it's pretty somber because there's nothing really rah-rah or rock and roll about nuclear war. Can we all agree now?

1:35:20 Yes. When people bring up, yeah, Russia and or China with me, you know, I say, you're talking to the wrong bloke. Like you don't totally understand their culture unless you speak their language. the synchronization with the wizard of oz So it's a coincidence of some time. opens the door, nearly falls over. I've watched The Wizard of Oz listening to The Dark Side of the Moon while high on marijuana.

1:39:09 Ever, yeah. I gave up smoking rolled cigarettes. cigarettes in your marijuana? I don't like being stoned. Wow. Okay. I mean, during the time when I was smoking hash every day was 1970, 71, 70. And I'm sure he did too much of it. looking worried and a bit frightened and then going, quid you know buck up boy let's get on with it and uh but he never did buck up from from sort of

1:44:35 You know, he's had some troubling times, but he's actually fine. one of the moments is in the show. but we were, Hollywood Boulevard and Vine Street And that sort of encapsulates what it was like. I'm not saying he couldn't. Now I spoke to his sister, Rosemary, after that He doesn't want to see people from his past. about them you know they were beautiful i've got a bike you can ride it if you like it's got a

1:48:38 and it wasn't just you know there were lots I'm not, I don't mean to laugh because he was a huge loss. about our trip, you know, as humans from ancient times overhead And the verse is this. To my audiences in, well, tomorrow, Austin, Texas. it is reassuring and one of the beautiful things about art, and particularly music, is that you can get a message like that across.

1:52:43 version of the bravery of being out of range which i wrote in And they sell that lie. I'm not sure Michael McConnish is a gentleman. Groucho Marx, I believe, said, I wouldn't want to join a club that would have me as a member. And I was like, oh, fuck no. yeah clubs are a problem because they're always exclusive in one way or another. different religious backgrounds, different... If you enjoy music and you enjoy art yeah it it brings people together in a very unique way

1:56:07 Or maybe it wasn't. sorry I shouldn't on the Lido than almost any of the pop music that I'm attached to. and it's a true story. Oh, okay. I made up all kinds of stuff about it. Now it takes me. And they decide. so it became park bench mutations in the blah blah blah, sometimes either misinterpret or they interpret them in ways that mean For incorrectly wearing her headscarf.

2:01:21 But they're still killing people in the streets. because there's a lot of talk look, they've just done this, do something. Leave Those Kids Alive, Hey Teacher, Leave Those Kids Alive. and not adhering to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights from Paris in 1948, It would be nice to see, to allow a bit more leeway, government isn't it almost ironic that the one country that was founded within

2:05:22 and the way the Electoral College was set up. Isn't it? We wave the flag and, no, everything's great. You get fired. allowed to say that. So it's I nearly said little prick, but the guy from Rolling Stone, he's not from Rolling Stone, it but I know you do believe me I believe you anyway this kid um yeah we were having a conversation and it's about April the 13th

2:09:01 The other is that he didn't. It was a false flag by al-Nusra and al-Qaeda who were in Douma in control of the place on the day it happened but left the next day because they'd already given up. and expressed my misgivings doubt about. So why am I telling you this? Yeah. But we never resolved anything. That's the problem. Oh, I know people in, you know, the smacks of Bellingcat and Elliot Higgins and all of that stuff.

2:12:09 from a further person who came out and said, I'm going to give you these documents now because who killed these people, but And then you should read, I've forgotten his name, but the guy who actually started the OPCW, So this person who shouted you down, they had not read all this. you're an idiot. That's never a good sign. Right. So just for their own ego?

2:15:51 Yeah. on the side of a pig in a show. But you're not, it's not like just you. I was sick of it. And at the time, the ADL said, And so that's why the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism is so bad and so dangerous because it's been taken in completely the wrong way, you have to say this isn't like the anti-Semitism that we talked about, yeah when when you did that show in florida and they uh the jewish group removed the children

2:20:28 older than usual and they were in Oakland, up in the Bay Area. And they were black kids, and he wanted to talk about these kids. I brought the kids to the show. He said, none of them has two parents I can feel myself getting emotional now. It's the first thing that they've ever done I don't know why. He killed himself in the end. because I hadn't spoken to Steve for years.

2:23:58 so I said, you should send them some money, Steve. send them some money and I have no idea what happened to the money me because some prick had told the mayor that I'm an anti-Semite. Some probably very worthy all over the world colonial project in As I said to you before, how would that be if we suddenly decided that the United States was a theocracy and only Christians could have rights?

2:26:45 It's not something that we see. by Israeli troops. Well, they are, it's a small country And they're very humane. I don't know why. whatever they do, I don't care. There's no political consequences for saying that, Regardless of how their policies impact individual human beings through no fault of their own, just happen to be born Palestinian and been stuck in this apartheid state.

2:29:54 And there is an armed wing and whatever. the Israelis seem now to have a policy So they can just kill them all. I wasn't there. The Israelis control who comes in and goes out. oppressing another group of people. You would have to accept the principles of Paris 1948, None. no, Jerusalem, it cannot be all combined under the control of the state of Israel.

2:34:12 refugees to return into They said, well, we didn't sign any of those treaties. right thing, as my mother would say, is always vetoed by Israel, the United States, the Marshall exert any pressure there's no but I spoke to the Human Rights Committee what I said you can find it. What was that like? That was a great speech and whatever. But it's, you know, if I hadn't done that,

2:37:58 Come on, that's all we have to do. Yeah. That's all they care about. And keep making money and never give any power to the people and make That they find it hard to believe. Everything will be all right. For what they're doing to him. By Liz Truss. in a hedge as a warning. It's amazing how little support there is for him and how much you just you don't hear anybody outraged.

2:41:51 Where's the list of the people that she sex trafficked to? where if you're sex trafficking, Well, there's no discussion because Geoffrey, watch his face, hung himself in his prison Yeah. And to get off the list? having sex with underage girls, that person could say, okay, what about Bill Clinton? I mean, he had that very light slap on the wrist. To own an island.

2:45:38 Some bizarre intelligence operation? of conspiring. It's a weird world we live in, Roger. destruction of mankind yeah it is and there are so many people that are It's interesting, isn't it? We'll play some pool. at your disposal Thank you. Bye, everybody.