Joe Rogan Experience #1883 — Ryan Graves Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! please tell people your credentials, what your background is. for me personally the experience was simply just flying out to the area like I would any other day. We kind of do a little bit less flying, upgrade the jets if we need to, that has more limited range of the land, but never over the land, sometimes over the bays that are in the area that are quite large,

3:41 But in a broader sense, when we look at it in relation to our air defense identification direction is it going? How fast is it going? Things of that nature. We can't necessarily make up the And so with that, you know, we would typically see an aircraft just kind of trudgling along with a straight line, going down. So they're not on a flat plane and they're not going in a straight line.

6:24 stationary with 140 mile an hour wind. Correct. How would something do that? wind, it seems. It just seems like it's just there in a way. right? It's just kind of like, all right, there's stuff out there, but maybe next time we'll take And so that's a, it's a regular camera and also an infrared camera. Like that sucked down the engine can still take out an aircraft, right?

9:35 Right. In fact, I think there's been some cases off the West Coast just the past couple weeks And so by having that racetrack pattern, it's an efficient way of holding in a position by maximizing straight and level time and minimizing your turn time. So, you know, that box that I told you about in the sky that starts 10 miles off the coast, this particular GPS location and altitude where incoming traffic will fly in and outbound traffic will fly in the exact same spot, but will fly out a

12:48 He turned around, flew back, landed. And that cube was inside of a clear translucent sphere. And essentially the apex or the corners of that cube, It does come with a lot of assumptions baked in. and it's just floating around and flying around the sky. can put energy into looking at these things is when we're kind of transiting back and forth or warfare to jam my jet. It just means that, you know, it's doing something to our radar signal,

16:48 So how big was this thing when this guy saw it? on average if they're about 100 feet. you know, we're just so busy at this time right we're getting ready for war You know, it was, hey, yeah, stay away and, you know, let me know how you did in that next fight, essentially. And when you discuss this, how many other people And that's how it continued for a while.

20:36 in these jets preparing for deployment, and you see things that are, if not unexplainable, haven't been explained yet. No. will detect heat? you know, if that thing's producing heat, then it's going to come out white in white hut. Like hot. I thought it was like a technical term. So we did see both. are happening every day and all these different pilots are experiencing them every day. This is essentially just from the moment of 2014-ish

23:48 You know, it's just comforting. So to have someone operating in that area would be a massive oversight. And we have to do more than just, you know, we have responsibility, I think, as aviators when we're up there to report really what we're seeing because we're on the front line of what we can see up there. And if, you know, we don't have the command or operational support to, you know, tell the truth about what

25:32 We never really appreciated it at the time. We start doing tactics off the boat. intense. And so that's of what we're looking at. Yeah. So here it is. So this is FLIR footage? Yep. So this is when I say Yeah, exactly. Those lines above it represent the horizon, There is. Then you know how far away he is, right? We don't necessarily definitively know it's rotating

30:22 So you only have video footage when you build the little model. And so that is a God's eye view of all the sensor data and everything else that our jets and other jets put out. fighters and go do our tactics. I was part of the flight. We all flew up there. When we kind of run Right. So we just kind of cruise around, put along out there and just hang out until it's

33:26 And so they started flying over to it. five, I might say six, I don't remember the exact number, but somewhere in the four to six range, where they all kind of stay in the same spot, kind of a big sweeping thing. proceeding in the opposite direction. I wouldn't even say stopped. So it climbs to reverse its turn to flow in the opposite direction within about 500 feet,

36:16 that's not the sexiest thing in the world. But then let's look back in context and say, okay, to see these things. Correct. Yeah. When you report this, what's the reaction? How does that go? walk down there you know it's like the other side of the ship uh go into classified space all the Like it's part of the same tape. So what's interesting is that is that's what we watched

39:07 Is that what happened? employ our weapons. And that's all fine. I think that's completely reasonable to not have that and just put the raw data out there in a sense of NASA experience, you know, at least that are working to put together, you know, engineering Yeah. Oh, okay. No. No. witness before had you heard of something like this before no no and let me let me say it's not

42:19 Yeah, maybe like 15 or so. So everyone kind of knows that you're not alone out there. leadership on this so like what'm like, what the fuck? Right, because you want to know. So I was like, I think he's clearly seen this before. come back but you know i at this point talked talked to various people on the Hill and had been involved with some people that had looked into this.

44:52 that gets established afterwards But the gimbal was new. Why weren't you more into it? in other squadrons on the East Coast? years ago, perhaps, that we could be answering now. But, you know, we have to collect a lot of That makes sense. Yeah, it does make sense. How many different types of these objects have you Probably. such as the West Coast and further inland, actually, around other bases.

49:46 And you have a serious discussion now about this thing that had been for a long time been ridiculed and then the pentagon discusses it you start hearing people why do you think that's happening At the end of the day, I wish I had an answer for you. I've listened to Lou talk about it. It's taboo, right? has an area where they can describe the shape of it. So my hope is, you know, we can answer that

52:30 And they're fascinating. So, you know, I just wanted to make the plea that we consider that it's a two-way conversation with those air crew. Now that, again, there's been a new reporting mechanism, we're kind of moving into a new age with this. and on the East Coast, they're seeing them. Yeah, I'll just stop there for a minute. But one of the videos is of a transmedium device,

56:04 Yeah. So in a way, it's kind of a good place to hide, I would suggest. You know, there's talks of hydrogen being a useful fuel source, you know, and of course, plenty of hydrogen in the water. that's, you know, something else. It's the same process of understanding what the capabilities Like say they came into my area and I'm the only one out there

57:59 a threat for aviators out there. It is a safety hazard. Someone could die. We could lose aircraft. challenge, right? And so, you know, that's, that's incredibly interesting for a number of reasons, you know, or to, you know, negate the effect of all that force, right? It was interesting. been in that movie actually. And then, or the documentary. Yeah. Oh, wow. I heard it. It might have been in that movie, actually,

1:01:22 when people start, like, drawing these, you know, conclusions. process to take that forward and be able to say, hey, you know, here's now a flag in the sand that we can kind of move science forward on, In the first discussions that Bob Lazar had about this, he claimed that there was a stable supply, a stable version of element 115, and that this element 115 method of flight that is very similar to the

1:04:46 bonkers. with him. And then I talked to him on the podcast. And, you know't know what to think. I mean, I talked to the guy. I had dinner with him. but it's it's so strange that the way this guy was talking about these objects back in the late 80s that's the problem it's super interesting oh yeah a very deep part of me just was like man I want and moving the conversation forward with data and science.

1:07:49 in a way that we wouldn't obviously put together, right? that it's not openly discussed. Yeah. And I know that you were brought in for a hearing. No, this And I was like, listen, I realize that, you know, I'm active duty right now. get your, my shit's all packed up, near the end. He's like, he's like, so I noticed that you're missing a ribbon or a uniform.

1:10:18 story. I just told you that they loved it. Well, I'm sure they were probably like, thought it was funny that you were so nervous about it, too. that were in various roles from that point. At the time, it was just kind of like to get, you know, Which one? you know, they seem earnestly, you know, interested in getting the bottom of what we were seeing out

1:12:43 right? There's NDAs and paperwork. Like, so, you know, the short answer is no, like this was never information that was or talking about it publicly anymore due to it being a real operation now, which is a good thing. are doing so under the context that there is a large category of other, right, other than what commander fravor described and what the equipment detected in terms of

1:15:39 you're aware of? I hear lots of stories about that from other aviators. haven't personally like witnessed the gunshot acceleration that you hear about about 20 feet from his cockpit, 17,000 feet. An object just stays there for, you know, a handful of seconds and then just like So I tell that to show that, you know, at least at the time it was working, right?

1:17:32 I mean, not 100 percent, but, you know, at least the ones that, you know, there are plenty that we're willing to talk about. was it the same thing, the translucent circle with the square inside of it? Yeah. 500 feet is our safety bubble, and then we execute a fight, you know. pumped into our visor. And so as we look around, it shows us the object we have selected in a box,

1:19:49 130 knots, right? Still 150 miles an hour. If that thing like was right in front of us and dropped Yeah. So is it possible that these things have some sort of a cloaking mechanism or they're not visually available to like we can't see them because of the way their propulsion system works or whatever? it's a physical object until you change polarity. Now you can see through the, you know, the object

1:22:29 But this really kind of made me realize that our place in the universe thing that has ever been in the universe. So to think that there's a lot of other stuff out there, but it's right enough that it hasn't caused too much of a problem yet. Do you think that's, like, something that arose on earth a long time ago or something that's more recent it's a great question because why

1:25:15 form on earth in the fact that we wear clothes and the fact that we can communicate and the fact what are these weird talking monkeys doing? Well, they're making better stuff constantly. Well, with these cultural issues and all these... you know, you have two completely different polarizing political They should be really concerned with the direction the shit is going.

1:28:36 all these things that have to do with primate biology and animal biology and mating. or created it in the first place i mean we have no idea what happened to the human species like and created us. So to your point earlier, you know, even just to kind of reinforce what you And then we would build tools is electromagnetic energy in a sense. the known universe, black holes, like the birth and death of stars, like all that stuff. If you

1:33:18 I mean, it's not going to stop. we see, you know, alien life out there? Because, you know, we're greedy, we expand, and we assume that weird rogue unit from kind of just expanding in a million years, or however long it takes for Some sort of new version of artificial intelligence the way I've described it in the past is like that trying to stay alive from predators and that very desire to stay alive and to breed and to

1:37:46 Like what if what we're seeing maybe is, maybe it's not even like physically a representation They don't want to be sneaky. It could be that in the future. Right. he was saying, you're going to be able to talk without words. Like, what the fuck is that? I mean, yes, but not in any noticeable way that I recognize every day. Phones are great. We don't need a new car.

1:41:08 Why? uh of this poor fucking guy who was rock climbing and a bear tried to attack him i was like that And so he swats it to the side. So anything that they can eat, like black bears, one of my friends was up in Alberta, and he observed a male black bear attack a female and their cubs, kill one of the cubs. The dead one that the male had killed. Jesus Christ.

1:43:19 That's what a bear is. can transcend that is to eliminate all of those of the intelligent species in the universe. past that, boy, if there was no war, imagine the cooperation that we could have. Imagine how much So what do we lose with that? experiences that are far superior to the physical ones that you have to get on your own. I mean, Yeah. I feel so centered and grounded.

1:48:11 That was the only way you could feed your family. What if that pales in comparison to what can be created technologically? What if that's the future of this symbiotic interaction that we have with technology? think that if they were going to wonder about any one particular thing that we have access to, it's being in this transitionary period between having these primate instincts and applying them to spectacular technology in a brutish, horrific way. way, like we're worried about right now with Russia. We're worried that Putin, because all the horrific things that are happening already in Ukraine, the bombings and the drone strikes and

1:51:09 birth, as you described, to integrate with the artificial intelligence. I know that there's what does that change for the world, right? And that remained when they got the power of the gods, if you will, right? you know, as a planet to planet versus a country to country, right, or individual to individual. Do you think that? through the sky, and it appears on a device

1:54:53 It was like, Kurt, out. And we complain about it. What does materialism fuel? It's like baked in. I don't remember what website it's on. to fill that urge that you described. You know, when I thought about flying a jet, Didn't we look at it the other day? That's fascinating, too, because there's so much that's being that. So when I see something like these objects, these UAPs, part of me goes like, how much of that shit is ours? How much of that shit is ours where they don't want to talk about it? They don't want to let us know. But they're they're implementing these technologies. And does Russia have something similar? Does China have something similar? Like how much of that shit is stuff

2:00:10 Oh yeah. I want it to be like a Captain America shield that flies at like 10 times the speed of the quantity of minds we have nowadays with the access to the tools we have. Yeah. But in China, too, it has been taking notice. Yeah. Ronnie's trying to tell us. You know, they've been working together on this problem. Well, you know, it's like a formation of lights, essentially.

2:05:03 a peaceful union, Shortly after midnight on that date, seven PIPs. all experienced radar controllers, checked the observations. And we were concerned, like with who is going to develop some sort of spaceship or who's you know like if they're that advanced they can come here from another galaxy you know And by extension, they have pushed that seriousness back to, you know, DNI, DOD, and the offices that have stood up within there, namely AERO right now, or the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office.

2:09:14 Kind of two problems there. understand that, you know, this is a serious safety risk. And that as we kind of transition So that's actually a better question than what I thought you were going to ask, Yeah. Absolutely. Or the pilot says, oh, that's just something on my windscreen because clearly Like, how does that happen? it actually uses that terminology, then you have the option to report it

2:13:21 It's like black dot. And it got... square. Right? but it was something that completely drew their attention investigation of this topic. Right. There was another one that was recent that was being you can see something fly by I mean, I wish it was – people always ask me, like, what was it like? Yeah, so this is what they were shown in a hearing in Congress.

2:16:53 be contended with by, you know, Aero, by the groups actively working in this, because they have to that's not like some buried secret that people with the proper access can go and verify themselves, I think that there is a pathway there. I do think there is a pathway for the declassification What do you think the benefit for the And that's pure speculation. Right. That's how I feel.

2:20:18 of people reached out to you to talk to you about things that they've seen? Have you received criticism from discussing this openly? I've, I like the word latent demand now, because in a sense, all the stories and topics and So I do think that it is possible, I would say, for, you know, like we talked about, as this, you know, this technology change happens with people moving into that technology faster and faster, and it kind of leaves our society behind in a bit.

2:22:23 Yeah. I think it was like a destroyer or something like that. Yeah. I don't know, Like, these things should not be flying over a U.S. destroyer, like, regardless. I don't care. red or black, red is some sort of human based technology. Black is aliens. Can we say other not binary, right? But on the scale, you know, that's the direction that I've continued to move

2:26:05 we don't really fully understand our universe well enough or whether it's something beyond space time. is discussed openly now, as opposed to when I was younger, when I was a kid, if you talked about They flew the wreckage in case one of them goes down. around moving things around So, you know, I don't know where the truth lays but um again it's all being clouded by this classification system right like the full

2:29:13 Then they took it down like a week later. How can it be an accident? I thought it was pretty cool. Like don't chastise us for not like for filling in the gaps. I mean, that alone, I mean, that puts you in a position of like, well, you're not the boss. know 50s and 60s everyone's just circled up on the tv and just getting pumped with whatever Thanks for talking about this openly,

2:32:08 Tell me now. It's too important. Whatever you think is important, that has got to be in your consciousness, like right there next to you all the time because he's experienced something personally that very, very few human beings will ever be able to comprehend what it feels like to watch and to know that that's out there and to know that all of the boundaries that we think of in terms of

2:34:06 because it makes so much sense that if they could fly through space and they could just, And really it's the same problem, right? due to the gravitational effects, or if you had a sensor on each side and just like we, you know, you could take an aircraft over there or a ship over there. But that's also why we don't test that has been collected in the recent past so that we can move the conversation forward technologically as a society, as a people, and study this from all the different societal angles

2:37:51 I mean, I think this is all emerging and it's really fascinating. More to be revealed next time. But like I said, there's a landscape spinning up. And, you know,