Joe Rogan Experience #1885 — Mike Sarraille & Andy Stumpf Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience about high school Mike was just saying that he had to get his skin grafted. you're going to put a dip in to do whatever it takes to stay awake during your watch. patrol with these guys I would have a dip Like he's got a little, like he's storing nuts. what did it do to There was a logical progression. I switched from beer Is it rotting your gums?

2:35 How bad is it? place, but I've got to tell you about the first time I met Andy. remember the story. Always been a good friend. Always been friendly. Early 20s at best. He must be checking in. combat deployments and just destroys us what was he what were you guys wrong about i cannot everything You were right. But he was coming from a different side, a side we all knew about but knew very little about.

5:30 I cannot recall. All I recall Because you've got to do an 18-month workup, six-month deployment, When I called back because they were on deployment in Afghanistan, they're like, dude, that guy rocks. First impressions, I was totally wrong. Almost to a detriment. You see them all of a sudden. Are you asking me? Well, first off, I'm an officer. there's like a rite of passage that you guys have gone through

9:31 One of the things I hear is this narrative that it's too difficult. standard and normal to see. And that room sucks. You go into a room, you have a gas mask on, instructor it had to have been an instructor so the students the last four weeks of training you exposed to that in a controlled training environment. People are like, well, this one Yeah. Again, voluntary.

12:40 You can't see. brutal of training. How could you possibly It trended for a while. Navy launches investigation toAL tear gas video. And I asked somebody, they're like, oh yeah, it happened. And there was an investigation involving that. Yes. It was a staph infection. Yeah. But it's amazing how Eddie can have, for those who would never even think of serving.

16:48 medical aid, they, they accused Eddie of murder. But he was acquitted. Yes. But they still don't NCIS is not always your friend, and they're looking to make a name for themselves as well. Laterally transferred, and that's how they dealt with it. As Navy SEALs, we serve our fellow Americans. Uncompromising integrity is our standard. there is an evolution sheet and matrix

19:38 There is somewhere a matrix, an evolution sheet for exposure to CS gas in buds. There is absolutely Did they make a mistake? Were they hazing people? Do we need to do this? My resounding answer is yes. as unnecessary. But there's been a push to make the military a playground for progressive policies. and instructors know that they follow that playbook. They mitigate risk to the lowest level

22:41 special operations is not the best policy, But even doing it with the regular military, like why? I don't know where the progressive ideology falls into that or how it infects that or how it got started. The SEALs are filled with guys like you guys. who come to find out later were sociopaths and serial killers. We've talked about that on a Because when you think about it, in the private sector, people hire you based on how much

26:01 we're looking for. We're looking for mental toughness, resiliency, the ability to work as a team. And that brings up a point. You know, one of the former commandants we break people down in their individual selves authority to push back against my, I don't want to say my orders. And this is why. don't paint us in a good light. We got that mission done.

28:23 And then they dialed the empathy back up. But people naturally gravitate and it's the last 20 plus years of sustained combat operation, you're probably going to make So, you know, maybe they read an article in the Times like, oh, these people are assholes. with me on target? And at the end of this, we're going to do a debrief and you let me gotten way too comfortable here and if they saw the atrocities that we saw over there, they would understand why. You know, evil exists.

31:34 It's an ugly job. I think you said it best. I watched an interview where you said, And I worked a Hell Week Evolution. And we've all been through it. But when you're watching it – It takes you back when you go back and actually – because. We thought that the first time we saw this training as well. And we've all been through it. And you watch people who are on the verge of death and they're there voluntarily.

33:06 And, Joe, you've got to understand, we've got medical personnel out there. athlete in one of the classes looking for, made a judgment on some of the kids that were going through BUDS with me. I'm like, huh, wow, was I wrong assessing that kid as a fellow student to him? Yeah. you're going to get about two hours of sleep on Wednesday. So it's going to be Tuesday, Wednesday,

35:29 evolution after evolution after evolution after evolution. How can you stay awake that long? And your character. And your character. I would describe, and this is my description, And we're talking three days without sleep. and then everything changes in that one week. Point in case, Johnny Kim. I have seen people who have been fully made it through the multi-year training pipeline, who have been awarded their trident.

39:05 Sure. And then the next part of your career, the next potential five years, 20 years, 30 years, it then sort of transforms into performance. once you're out of buds, what's the process from there out training? Yeah. I'm a little over my And then you went around all of the departments and you tested in front of your peers and you were doing calculations for a demo.

41:14 I didn't understand the words that were even on the page. their trident so they all have the same baseline level of training and then you go to your seal Is it difficult to get Because they've got thousands of kids competing for only 250 slots per class. Ranger Regiment, MARSOC Raider. a more popular take that was being talked about. And the more popular take was, well, this training

44:19 just fine. But as a society, we're getting softer and softer and softer with less resilience. which is the exact opposite you want for any kind of extraordinary achievement. That attitude is people that concentrate on the negative aspects of things like the, like that, you know, why is it so hard? Why is this? Why does this person have something that I don't? You know, why do they get

45:56 that today. Nobody wants to tell you. I said well one of the reasons why so good as he works every day yeah it's 365 Well, he just got canceled on social media. that are trained killers If you look at the photos of him Which, again, that was told to me second or third hand, but that would fall into the bullying policy. Is it literal? You should be embarrassed.

48:44 Yeah. Which is kind of fucked because I actually fear is that they go after his backup account now. Yeah. their skills respect and dignity or you could be the guy that fucking fills up There's part of that. you should follow him. He's as uncommon as you get. have in this country, but I've yet to come one that says you have the right not to be offended

51:15 We're now in That's one of the rules out of their fight. are also the wildest variables. There's a reason why he's the greatest light heavyweight of all time. He's the wildest motherfucker ever. And he's the best. I mean, there's a reason why he's the greatest light heavyweight of all time. and fucking jogging up hills, And, you know, it's a lot of exciting challenges for him at heavyweight.

52:56 You know, he's put on a lot of weight. You know, you don't have a lot. fading after like one or two rounds. And he said, it's power. He goes, those guys have more power It's a different type of fighting. I like to do safe things. No. I was doing it for fundraising.? Does it bother you? No. Not even a little? No. Oh, my God. They want to be that guy.

56:02 I don't sit down and crunch the numbers. I don't understand how much it costs to run a promotion. They barely get by. But that's because they don't make shit. They barely get by. Because Volkanovski's a fucking animal. So I can talk about it from respect and the way I feel about fighters. so if you don't live like an asshole, MMA fighters are individuals competing against other individuals.

58:17 as behera this is our union dues and then someone comes along says listen i'll fucking take that But I think there's some arguments. I understand what these guys are capable of. What's the wildest shit you've ever seen go on once. I cannot watch it when you guys start Find Henderson's logo. That punch right there The red coat one is hilarious. Like, she'd be like trying to, you're not going anywhere.

1:01:26 of all time in a fight where he was and imagine his logo Yeah, all the time. Break it into the zoo. Tim feels like that. mind yeah beautiful human being and a great american i was gonna say he's one of the kindest and, hey, he's in the military. I was taking a picture with him today Have you ever met Yoel Romero He went to a doctor because UFC sent him to this doctor after one of his fights and because

1:04:53 I mean, he was on the Cuban Olympic wrestling team. They eat more often. Tim Kennedy had him really badly hurt, cracked him, rocked him, And it rattled Tim, and Tim to this day said that he made a mental error Like probably almost barely made it to the chair at the end of the round? And Angelo Dundee cut his gloves and they had to change his gloves.

1:07:15 Yoel, they kept him sitting down and another one. Tim's got a BAM! he's still sitting down the round's supposed to start he's still on his stool they're wiping him you're basically quitting. You got to come with me and sit next to me. i had no appreciation for it though until i started training i actually had no interest in Well, that's a boring part of fighting that's necessary.

1:09:31 Yeah. Like there's a lot of shit that you can't do on the, not weapons, like knives and shit. But that's a real fight. Like Mark Coleman stopped a lot of guys in Pride because he would get to that position, And if knees are legal, if a knee to a head is legal, why isn't it legal on the ground? believe is like this it's not like this because this is not necessarily the best move like

1:12:34 So they go, okay, all right, we'll make that move illegal. Shit's gonna get wild. Well, have you seen those crowd can vote in can vote in a weapon? Yeah, the crowd gets to vote on the tool. They're buckled into their seat, and they start the fight while they're in a car, and and then they're beating the shit out of each other in a car. They can barely turn around.

1:14:11 They fight in Myanmar. one, two, bam, headbutt, elbow, and punch them in the face. When did they make – Look at him. I'm sure without ending up Was it like a Bullshitsu, style was it? Was it like a— Oh, yes. people lose their lives because the person trying to control them I got zero, what I would call combatives Because they just didn't know. Now there's like a Matt Space dojo

1:17:49 Full-time coaches, dedicated Matt Ayers. 17 years that I was in, it was not an emphasis. And again, I wish it had been more of an emphasis You must be deadly. Very peculiar parts of the body as well. So we used to train in an area in mid-California, sort of catatonic and arms up, knocked out it's so not it got banned MMA, and they make horrible seals.

1:20:55 You have to put the same amount of effort and focus into the other. a guy who's training in fight training and he is the sweetest man you'll ever meet. He got a 4.0 in mathematics Just don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. Like, he's a legit astronaut. Wouldn't be my chosen way to go if I got to choose for sure. Yeah, there's something. And it's hard.

1:23:39 print medium i find that they're coming at it from an angle. And they may, I don't know what necessarily improve it, but it should be positioned that way, not a hatchet job that's trying to hobble the legs of the community because you haven't, Fucking me. But that seems to be what people forget. if that's what those people want. So here's my perspective of the military, and I don't come from the military lineage.

1:26:34 And they want you to succeed. Yes. that wrote the manual on leadership are the Army and the Marine Corps, not the SEAL teams. You know, the next step is who do they end up under as a mentor? leaders, but that's overlooked in the media and they just go for that one thing. Well, it's almost time compressed environment. Now I'm talking about like on target, super time compressed environment with extremely limited information and mistakes get made. And what I'll say is in

1:30:14 Like that was very public. It's like this negative, the negative aspect of it, What's the general attitude about people like whoever did kill bin Laden? I think the cat was out of the bag. Yes. I believe I've heard more than one narrative. Is it not positive because it has a detrimental effect on the team's ability to perform similar operations? And he said you could have two people in a foxhole and they tell completely different

1:33:17 Yeah. Jack Carr, good example, mutual friend. I'm bored out of my goddamn life. not, hey, there I was, Surrounded by grenade pins. A lot of those guys didn't serve 20-year careers in the community. And it was the same with my book. whether you love or hate Dave Goggins, the community is conflicted there too. all the SEALs you served with. I'm like, absolutely

1:37:04 regardless of whether we liked each other, man. I led through love. I loved, and it took me a while to recognize this. And I went through some And you've got kids. All I would add to that is sometimes you can shit in their kit bag I mean, do you really have any friends? I'm not saying I'm proud of it. make sure you're not seen. You were born on a day.

1:39:51 Oh boy, that's true Hey, man, do you want to do something? Which was awesome. people. for my spirit and my emotional well-being and uh he's like okay this is the cost and uh i suck at and in fact, I got a book for you that's coming out in November about Michael Monsoor, who was And so even though their families get a $400,000 check, I think that's after or before taxes,

1:42:58 Fuck you. Yeah. And all of a sudden she's on her own with an 18 month old. I have fun with my job, leadership development and executive search, but there is just – you miss that thrill. No kidding. You could apply it to law enforcement for sure, some contracting. group nighttime insertions is it's dangerous and then use that attention to try to educate them

1:46:04 And those are the names of people person who when they get on serve with but b continue to pass their legacy along it's a good tie for me. try to get all over the world in seven days He's kind of trash in the air. Because I'm telling you what Mike said is correct. Because when I went to Everest, a buddy of ours called me. But there have been multiple guys that reached out like, hey, how do I get involved in this?

1:49:31 And then we also want to train veterans who have never jumped, even amputees, the gift of flight, There will be no hotels. So they have this pretty robust gear. and getting on the ground Negative what? I mean, you're still feeling the elements. No. So there is an established... It's well established. Eric Prince, a former SEAL, guy, we're going to jump him in.

1:52:27 special operations because they lost a lot of guys in Yemen, onto Perth, Australia, where we'll uh, Like, Yetis, shit. Like, oh, okay, gravity works. The shenanigans are going to be off the roof. It is unbelievably hard to separate somebody a dollar from their wallet, and it should be, especially in the economic times right now. I mean, it's just, it's impossible to describe the impact that it has when people get the literal

1:55:34 For other people, I mean, we've got one buddy with 22 combat deployments. And I think that sits with us and that will always sit with us to your comment about that triple seven to smart the word smart, uh, in the, the smart. And the donation link will pop up. These videos will clearly display this. but our guys, I'm going to try to go to Everest with him next year and take Leah for a tandem at the base of Everest.

1:57:54 It seemed like the biggest challenge. Yes. bit and I'd forgot my GoPro was on. It was almost like you yelled at a special needs kid. Do you need to pee? No. And it looks the same. But after watching what happened the first day and then somebody getting hurt on the first jump of the second day and then some stuff that transpired in an aircraft and we jumped into a location where the altimeter settings were incorrect based off the information.

2:01:28 or it can be analog, but either way it has to be set correctly. Otherwise what you're looking at, They can be offset as well. But if you're going to be jumping into a place, let's say you were supposed to land 750 feet higher. And now all of a sudden, you're going to land somewhere that's You could easily burn through the criteria for your reserve to fire. And the next thing you know, you have dual entanglement with

2:03:18 But it had reached for me when we got onto the ground. We outsourced this one, and we had a bit of trust. And at one point I'm like, just don't do it. We'll run every expedition from here forth because we just do it in a way. No, it wasn't narcissism. the altimeter should have just been set for zero, This is the standard. So we were on the first aircraft.

2:06:32 And three hours after the second pass had landed, our personnel. We, We'll go to Norway as well. Soup to nuts. No. Flash to bang kind of makes sense. Soup to nuts Here it goes. Oh. that I heard somebody else say, so I'm repeating. Wow. They do? piss in somebody's Cheerios, I get it. I know too many people and have seen the detritus that's left behind when Chick goes south.

2:10:15 All we asked is that you focus on the story of those guys we jump in honor of. And if somebody wants that million-dollar seat, and we're still trying to contact American Airlines We're doing it at Euro, which means facing. We've got some good shit. Oh, I did see that. The wingsuit. So after your hip resurfacing Your right hip is killing you So I after I had the surgery. I'm like wait a second

2:13:11 It is. So they go through the glute. just chop the top off, put that sucker Some people have lasted 25 years. It's pretty graphic. And how long is that supposed to last? Oh, boy. Femur head. Yo. And then you go to physical therapy. That's not good. So guys have returned to MMA. You can tell that to Cameron Haynes. and i'd like that would turn a lot of people away. Like, no, okay, that's great.

2:17:41 so the Navy made him a doctor similar to Johnny Kim. did just reverse whatever they had fixed. But it was worth it. It was a great deployment. I feel like I've actually been very lucky. I'm going gonna let you understanding of your vulnerability and also your ego. And this doesn't matter in that you're really just about – in my 40s that you know origin camp i think we talked about this last time so they're opening

2:20:31 of those looks, but at the end of the day, none of it actually matters if you're just there to love of the knowledge getting better? My coach has said, you know, when you get a new belt, one of the best things that you can do, because I can tell you this from personal experience, that imposter syndrome is super real. Oh, yeah. for the intervention of stem cells, mesenchymal stem cells,

2:22:36 And we'll cross the border. it would affect the bottom line. I mean, that sounds gross and evil, but I think there's a You know, I know a lot of people that have gone to Panama to Neil Reardon's place and they've gone to Columbia, the biotech place, you know, bio accelerator place you ever do get injured you know there. There's ways to avoid surgery now.

2:24:25 There's people that believe it in wholeheartedly, and there's people that say it doesn't really get in your cells. Yes. i don't know it's i don't understand that yeah the mechanics i don't know enough to you know it's We're asking for help here. limited by connectivity, It's just my name, Andy Stumpf, the number 212. All right. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you for-I-L-L-E. All right.