Joe Rogan Experience #1887 — Maynard James Keenan Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! Do you use it? We just got done putting a bunch of the oil on it, sauna oil, because Arizona, therizona the the sun just like cooks cooks the fucking You're training hard there, fella. Well, John Donaher teaching you finder points of triangles. That was fun to watch. Yeah. I mean, it's hard. I would discuss this before. Being on the road is

2:15 I don't. Because the counters end up being as important as understanding the actual thing. and can drop you on a surface. No, this is not it. He's out cold. He's the best at it. You're like, oh, shit. I kind of did it anyway, No. He's like, no gi. Well, I got very fortunate that I learned gi from John Jock Machado. Right. Yeah? corner of your bed every 45 minutes just shaking it fuck that yeah so you're like you're trying to

8:08 He loves tours and buses. And you're having to perform that night. to a little bit. That's Louie right there. I'll show it to you afterwards when we go into the gym. We're deteriorating, man. And you're in the sun, so by the time your day is done, you're like, Do you know the company that makes it? So I make everybody have an electrolyte drink just before we even start.

11:56 you're doing the two of them together. I also, I also make great pasta. Yeah, you do make great Scottsdale. hey hey very pimply hey forget about it i love that jacket uh so we did it when the when the So we did, streaming events, heady landscapes that we kind of paint with some of the songs. So we went ahead and did this still during lockdown, And do you do these pay-per-views off your website?

14:50 Matt Mitchell's an incredible, not only just a producer for the record and engineer, Like the idea of doing a series, a poster for a series, So imagine like me getting in the wrong contract and now all these characters that I've developed, I can't even take these on the road now because some other douchebag. hour the hour and change thing that makes sense doing like the small episodes and having to to

16:51 guys do. I have to be there to make the decisions when it comes to the winemaking. I'm on the Chris and Jesse, if I didn't have those people in place, I couldn't do it at all, at all. So it's not just a matter of me organizing my time. It's also about me Well, this is a word called terroir. they're pruning and adjusting how they're training and growing that fruit, but generally speaking, it's going to be Pinot from Oregon.

20:05 those lines? Coffee a little bit. We just picked up a, well, it's not here yet. Do you like, and he'll travel all over the world and try out different beans and try out different things, Sorry, brother. And I'll go, okay. pink floyd or led zeppelin i just have to sound like Pink Floyd or Led Zeppelin. I just have to sound like me And we went down like a three-hour rabbit hole of coffee

23:06 that's not great. It's an old school training facility. And I went there, you know, early morning, Fucking clotheslined me. going to drink it. So I'm trying to figure out what ones I like. And with that lens, I know that Listen, I like it. Oh, okay, yeah. right when Vitor when they were still calling him Victor right and he had just Yeah. But when I first started at Pico, it was, you could tell that there was a, you know, there was a, there was a club within

27:46 You know, his concern was just that you trained. they sure they'd suit so he sued someone for using the term Gracie jiu-jitsu even It was the most effective in tried and true competition format. face right but if you but I'm a grown-ass man and so you go okay I am gonna play around with x guard and see what happens because i've never done it and i want

31:01 But at some point it became more like chess instead of this oh my god And then training enough that you could store all this data to be able to rep, you know, the repetition and then replicate that movement. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, they exist. a lot of stress. Nobody's going to, 90% of the people in the world are not going to agree with and you'll survive shit that some people won't because they're so focused on the petty

34:45 I find that, you know, going back, again, we go right back to jujitsu. You never do these other things. So you have to be open-minded. Now, the one thing that I was talking to Donald, the guy you just met today, you know, you were trying to convince a couple of friends to take a class. Yeah. Well, because they're analytical. He's like the smiliest assassin, thick glasses, only eats pizza and pasta.

37:26 Brown Belt out of Easton when he's rolling You're like, are you? This is, he already took the back. This is Mikey on top here. Back up a little bit. I mean, just incredible stuff. He's amazing. That's like, that's a world champion. It's fucking hard as shit. like very common perspectives on things. about details and stuff. So you could actually get away.

41:04 Yeah. but more understandable me it's it's okay I'm gonna train i'm gonna train jujitsu okay we're Right? maybe it's a movie soundtrack, maybe it was a record, you know, maybe I'm picking out like Like, that familiar sound that's from a very specific thing. I'll put it on while I'm working on stuff just to put that thing on loop and drill it into my head of what it is so that I can figure out how to go through, around, or over this thing, work with it, work against it intentionally.

45:14 but did the guy retract his elbow So you have to pay attention to what note goes with that thing. hey, I'd like to hear, before I go too far, get everybody on the same sort of... You have to remain open. see this like this process does it do you see this process clear more clearly And then the behavior is reinforced because the thing, not from somebody externally, but from the thing that you're hearing, you go, I've never heard me do that before.

48:50 because you have different life experiences so as long as it's engaging as long as it's fascinating you're relevant or whether or not? You can't. If you're alive, you have to assume other people are going to... It reeks. What does Matt and Karina do? I'm listening to what they're doing if nobody knew that I was in Pussifer and you were just listening to it you

51:38 Is this the right way to do it? Those are valuable, right? Those new things? Yeah. Well, you also did it after a hip replacement, which is pretty wild. I think on some level I can do that. boxed into yeah you know you have like a very specific genre that you're successful in She's a unique little artist. I think she would find the joke very funny. And I have friends that are mutual friends with her.

55:44 Right. age and you know and what you would expect from her right you know to cover that dolly They just get stuck in this thing that's And the egos involved of the of the popularity and uh and the the attention You know, what did I, how does that, No, Especially it's fun to do. wants to come to your show I'd be like are they but they promised something there's something I don't know like why would you come here

59:13 And in this one, she has like this evil aunt who's like controlling her career. Right. What a beautiful voice that girl has. You know, like if he wanted to go see a pussifer show, I could imagine you'd be like, what? I'm not a snob. me and they get me thinking on you know the next thing that i'm going to do and how do i build on I could see that. place made that certain way that's a time capsule

1:03:33 how I'm feeling about things, even though some of the experiences are lifelong experiences, yeah so strange it is wild the access the access to that art is so instantaneous now. when engaging with that thing because that thing can can, you know, we were talking about TikTok earlier today, about how the parent company of TikTok is using TikTok to specifically monitor the locations of American individuals.

1:05:38 which nobody reads and uh agree yeah agree everybody agrees But it's so fucked up that when I read account, if you have the same computer and a network, I'm like, I have these random things. how do I, how do I roast coffee again? How do I, you know, how do I, how do I make this particular sauce for a pasta? It's all right there. How do I fix this, this specific power

1:07:52 but you could have a drink or two and it can enhance conversation and it's a but that's because of that trying to like make my own user manual i find that the reason i'm on it Well, I need a new site. yeah I do I do you know I'm just going to zone out and have whatever light lunch I'm going to have before the show, play with my dog, and just let that kind of be almost background noise of what's going on.

1:10:29 blanket right in the road case of shit that I didn't need like everybody hands me t-shirts I'm trying to just put a movie on that, like, it's going, and meanwhile I'm cleaning out a drawer in the road case of shit that I didn't need. they're just giving you shit. about because I love Nashville. Nashville's awesome. now people are going to, you know, there's

1:12:45 And it was like a kind of a goth punk rock night in that location. Because all the hip hop clubs. And I just, I always liked the fact that it seemed different than any other city. Yeah. It's got its own, I started coming here in 99. And I just always liked the fact that it seemed you said, and this is a video that popped up. I forgot about adamant.

1:14:34 But that was a good time. Well, it's a good combination of a blue city and a red state, which is kind of my favorite. But, you know, it's a, I don't know, I've always had a thing for Austin. I don't, is there a right city? That's, Texas, I don't think you have anything to worry about Texas. they just decided to all like me that was ground zero for ecstasy that was

1:17:38 There's a podcast called Psychedelic Salon. I forget what his, but he was like super straight-laced guy and became this super open-minded hippie trudging along in the world that you live in and all of a sudden having that discipline are that they're very important components of a successful Not easy to arrive at. grew up in a small town so i kind of that's kind of where i resonate more i feed off of a larger

1:21:42 They love living in Manhattan on the 34th floor. in, like, five minutes. and fighting over a rabbit. Does it shock you? Do you see how much different things are like three years, like post COVID? like there's any real clear path as to how things i think it's just a time thing. I think, you know, it's like the Hindus came up with the concept of the yugas,

1:24:48 while it's all getting weird. Right. most of us would choose the right way to do a thing. But when faced with impossible situations, I think that we're probably going to go back to our primitive. like to farm off all the important things that need to be done to work, thing where you're, you know, you're working your 30 to 60 hour week of something that you're doing

1:27:47 That's the thing that people don't learn how to do. often with your endeavors and some people never learn that and that's sad to me. That's unfortunate because I think we all could be that and the job doesn't engage them and they just want to get out of there. It's like there's other ways We're going to do this thing. do for your day to enjoy the thing you're doing, but also understanding you're doing it for a bigger

1:31:31 an art to living life. And sometimes we don't have local examples of someone who's doing it in a way Sounds like a Saturday morning to me, sir. That's a lot of people. They should already know what I want that develop things that do give you that immediate satisfaction. The amount of work involved. home early and paying attention in the morning don't let them out too soon because we want to

1:34:55 If it works, then great, because I've got, you know, two dozen ducks that I have to protect them. I think so. you're gonna like the video surface where i'm out there half naked peeing on a fence chasing off a So we have a hawk named Loki. There's enormous cows everywhere. I watched an eagle catch something. from so far away and like, boom. Yep. Yeah.

1:38:24 up the brunch place, we'll use the whites to do a quiche. egg. So it goes to a central area, then it gets shipped to a place like Italy, and they mill it and blend it and sell it back to you. But the combination of the blend, it's got to have structure it's got to it's got So we're not using any of the pre-emergent or the weeding shit anymore. Yeah, it's a creepy herbicide.

1:42:11 that have like regenerative agricultural practices? Like, you know, the debate of, you know, migrant workers coming in and working on things. you get on the labrador plate, a significant amount of that is what we grow you start to supplement so when we supplement Right. But it's all up margins, isn't it? They eat themselves? That you have a certain amount of mental illness that occurs, a certain amount of violence that occurs.

1:45:35 been pissing in for a couple days, they fight. Maybe with global warming, Greenland will be available. I patented it just now. going to end up coming to a head in some way and i don't know civil war meteor virus something will Yeah, the thought is that people are having so few children So if between my wife and I there's two kids, is that enough? Yeah.

1:48:27 live in Jerome? The contrast you might get Yeah, it's not that far away. because there's definitely a light discipline there's uh there's less uh humidity in the air so that just that less humidity in the air doesn't And it's not just about your career. Up until the last couple hundred years with the invention of electricity and the Industrial Revolution.

1:51:06 that I don't think people in cities have access to now now come visit the desert Yeah, that well sometimes like that one of those I don't know I'm so enamored with that sky that uh where mass sightings in this one area. you see the dude looking. And it's just an anomaly in anomaly in your in your in our simulation You can have the system behave as if there are two distinct directions of time.

1:55:15 It seems like the exponential. But I think it's going to—we live in an amazing time because both things exist. dinner recently we were saying like if we just stop making new stuff right now because we've got to get to the 16, right? robust vehicles are probably very valuable. It's like a V8 engine in it. Those FJ40s, like Icon out of California makes those where they do the V8 swap.

1:57:58 Yeah. Is it a manual? See that one right there? That's perfect for a farm. My wife stole it for the 24 hours of lemons races. yep have to like go to another friend but I can fix that the new cars and stuff like no yeah Subaru Brat. Probably is, yeah. That thing had, like, one million miles on it or something insane It was a foot through the floor. Not in that thing.

2:01:59 And how do you pick these areas that you're going to acquire? So let's, you know, just quick math. So southern Arizona, maybe $15,000 an acre, maybe $10,000. So depending on where you're going to do an acre unit you're going to do 20 acres or whatever so southern arizona maybe 15 grand an You've got to make it. So when you acquired your first farm, was it an existing winery?

2:04:15 I'm still today in this very moment. it's like if, say, if you want to start and expand into a new piece of land, prune, a large number of people to come in and do shoot thinning and blah, blah, blah. And then for picking, of course, you've got that season. How do you rest? It's still a pretty small thing. when I found out about your vineyard But I'm, you know, other than her and a couple people, not anybody here that has a wine label, generally speaking, is they're just putting their name on it or they have somebody doing it for them

2:07:33 organized like i am and create those spaces for creating music and touring but knowing that you Well, again, going back to like you started this thing, Honestly, you know. don't know. Have you ever heard of a book called The Immortality Key? There's a guy named Brian this field of study is that the book is really fascinating, because he's, he was obsessed with

2:10:45 That's what wine was. There's going to be wine in that thing. That's what wine was. No, no. problems with that particular batch of fruit. Yeah. Maybe I'll add a, do a, an inoculation Yeah, the Petnat, we call it. 50-50 so it's fascinated like if that was what wine used to be, that wine was the fermented grapes mixed in with psychedelics and all these other compounds that they're sort of discovering.

2:14:06 i've really researched it did you ever see the documentary sour grapes They were doing a whole Penfolds Australian wine dinner would serve this incredible food with flights of wine. That's, you know, that's why he went to prison, buddy. Just enough. different that year yeah the funny part was like people that were totally duped yeah like what And it's like I think it's fucking voodoo.

2:17:27 Like, what are you doing? Okay, now, is there parking? Yeah. you must have had some sort of an esoteric appreciation. Yes, 100%. I just couldn't I couldn't do it. 99. Yeah. make you know make him what he is right i was not that guy i had to work You start to all of a sudden went from a dude who grew up in a lower middle class family with parents that are teacher budget, cutting wood for for the winter to being on tour with a band

2:22:35 And when was the first time you actually went to a, How many people around you are going, Maynard, what the fuck are you doing? There's setup. I'm thinking five steps ahead, and I'm not going to put a thing down in the way that I have to move and add six steps to get into the next step. I need a wine press. It's okay. What are those variables? you know going back and tasting some of the stuff i earlier did it's because they were new i just

2:26:29 and you can buy used barrels from reputable wineries. No, you're rinsing it out pretty good. I just don't understand this. Do you ever anticipate doing anything else you know depending on the gin um it can be grain-based, Honey gin? But you can also do other things, other botanicals and things, It's a controversial subject. that tequila actually has a probiotic benefit to it

2:30:07 What's that? Does that work? Like if I'm going to have tequilas, I have to force myself to be double-fisted. During the process. During the process and the next day just so they can supplement their programs. It's a very popular a it's it's there's a lot of that like in california there's like people that don't own a vineyard don't even So they're getting samples, samples, samples, blending,

2:33:41 I'm fascinated by it. is there a way you can mitigate that but helps over it hail netting yeah we Hail. Yeah. Hey, we got hail. Yeah. All right, that's what I'm going to do. And if you want a review, you have to ask Drew Dober, I said, if you win the fight, I'll send you wine. sean fight yes i did yeah the look on his face at the end, I was like, he normally runs his mouth pretty good.

2:37:02 Yeah. Yeah. in multiple occasions, caught him with that big knee, rocked him. Jan had some big moments too, one big left hand that rocked him. And someone can win a round clearly and it can be 10-9. versus a guy who holds you down and round of Aljamain Sterling and tj dillashaw i mean that It was amazing. islam and and charles olivera that was what a fight that was i islam makachev must have the

2:41:23 But, I mean, I was saying leading up to him getting a shot at the world title, But the fact that he got on Oliveira and mounted him amazing I mean the the fights with Holloway especially the last fight with Holloway we see I mean, of course, it's fighter-specific. I got to see. So you get an extra show. They know now. Yeah. Only when it's like maybe Arizona.

2:44:46 The one I saw was I was screaming like a fucking idiot, man. Edwards. I was just so excited for him that he caught him, and he was down for a second. We saw Abu Dhabi. We sawa. We saw Abu Dhabi. Jake Paul is a, it's interesting. Anderson Silva is one of the greatest combat sports athletes of all time, I don't know what's going to happen. He was spectacular.

2:47:49 in terms of, like, what they were when they were at their best. He's downloading data. And I remember there was a betting line when he was fighting Chris Lieben. in England, in, it was a cage rage, into his own. And that's when he entered into the UFC. So people got to see this, like, just perfect striker. Because if he's on all sorts of Mexican supplements, then we could see

2:50:13 I'm going to watch it. I'm definitely going to get it. and get to the iPad I love that the ADCC has gone to the level that it's gone. but Gordon Ryan at 70% destroys everybody. gonna give my leg because the only way he can win is in a wrestling match. I'm just going to give him my leg. I think they're going to do it again in Vegas. man thank you sir thank you very much um Give people information on all the stuff that we talked about earlier for everything you got going on, the pay-per-views.

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