Joe Rogan Experience #1894 — Suzanne Santo Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience well I went to the gym and, you know, been eating well. Right. Yeah. We were just in competition with each other. the key i know the key is to like not have a way out and one of the things about this contest thing Yeah. blinking i will just like blackout run because i'm so mad well running is like one of the best There's like some of it is very applicable and some of it is like, all right, I could

3:52 like all of a sudden my neck just starts locking and like down my shoulder blade. Like in the overall scheme of things. your mind currently and you know especially if you don't have power over what's happening as well but but like having this like somewhat of a doormat kind of life, me being the doormat, because I love everybody so much. people down how many people are you having to let down quite a few few. Yeah? Yeah. Well, you're very nice.

6:19 You kind of become like this mother figure thing. if it's your husband like it's easier to model yeah it's like yeah he does it i'm gonna fucking Yeah. Fucking A. this is like a fundamental error in the way they approach life. And your help is not going to fix they thought they were at when all that shit was being forced on people now the cdc's recommending

9:33 Yeah. But yeah, that's probably part of it there's probably some sort of legal reason why they're doing it well i'm just kind of i think But I'm really glad I made the choice I did. And, you know, nobody's, nobody's like, I feel like I lost a lot of good guys out there. You can't talk about this, this, or this Yeah. You know, it's like that. Suffering?

13:19 Sure. The other stuff I cannot hang with. Drink water. You know, there. Eat good food. Drink water. Oh, it's very silly. Yeah, you should be happy. Like if your immune system was young and strong like it actually fought against your immune system Figure out what that was, Jamie. a real problem. You're supposed to not fat chain people. It's like- So it shows that SARS-CoV-2 can infect human fat tissue.

16:59 the pressure of extra weight to altered immune responsiveness in obese people, but the new study provides With two out of every three American adults overweight Oh, we've been harping on that ad nauseum on the podcast lately. like a deep blood work panel. Right. it was it's crazy invented as industrial lubricants yeah exactly yeah and then decided to feed it to

19:41 Yeah, if you cut out all that shit. Like, I had a salad the other day there it is. So, you know, then I was looking at, like, peanut butters. Almonds and I, we don't get along. after the gym and but my stomach always hurts so wow so you have an allergy to eggs it's not quite run my face into a wall because But, yeah. Yeah. That's where they raise their steers.

22:24 Bastrop or Argentina? Bastrop. Yeah, I know? It's beautiful out there. Have you ever been out there? Bastrop or Argentina? And the idea of Austin being surrounded by real Texas, He's a politician. just so it's a shit show and it's really hard like i just have to turn it off i i try to be This morning they said there's video that the Capitol Police saw of him breaking in.

24:27 Well, either way, whatever that is, the way that the news is presented, the way that they talk about this, I know. You've got to recognize what's happening, folks. Like they're just they're not. I'm sure it is. I mean, like, think about think about it like think about how wrapped up how easy it is to get wrapped up and not be exactly sure what thoughts are your own from looking at your

27:11 That's a cult. And we're also very hard-lined. going to listen. But, you know, in my own personal life experience, can speak eloquently and uh you know powerfully on my own too it's not just him which is are you fucking serious cracking jokes anymore. Yeah. Are you? You should get her Like no matter what. want to get as much uh willie nelson time as you can right well you know yeah well he's still

31:37 Oh my god And then you're just like it's more digestible coming from Kyle Dunnigan because it's funny. Oh, Jesus. He seems like an okay guy. Every single person in Hollywood, from my ex-wife to my mother-in-law to, you know, my so-called friends. I'm going to start a rap and then I think your message is quite nice. That's for damn sure. Everyone. And it gets you to see how most people are actually seeing

35:02 Yeah. Joe Biden gets it. it's that one with, Her name is escaping me. She's very funny. I can't do it because it's so like, she's like, dad, I've got a problem. Oh, I'm going to regret saying that. Okay. he you know kyle duncan had a special he had a show that he was going to do on comedy central He's like, Comedy Central said no to this. We're watching 80s and 90s movies, like old Eddie Murphy movies.

37:59 Right. There's always like a time where it was like, oh, oh, and then it just ever like, well, Yeah, that's going to be fucked. Tom, what's his name? It's not the same as the books. Like, I see where the like sleight of hand is taking place. Keep drinking. Danny McBride's show on HBO. It's funny. I know. amazed at how bad that It was fun. Fast and Furious 9.

42:32 Maverick really touched my heart. I can't do this. Suspension of disbelief. That's what I was looking for. And I like Chris Pratt. Those cross tomahawks? They're all about I've been getting into all this heady stuff lately and I need to calm the fuck down. yeah there's a lot of reality interlaced into it in terms of like how things There's probably a few.

45:03 Oh, The Old Man's good. It gets to the point where you're like, what the fuck are you doing? I mean, dragged her and kidnapped her. Like, you're losing me here. Did you guys get new writers ran out of money probably it's amazing how they make shows like yeah people get fired halfway through they No, I'm sure he would. story like there's just all kinds of insertions of of agenda and and you know that just takes

48:07 Female Ghostbusters bust the hell out of those ghosts, Oh, I love Bill Murray. Maybe he just doesn't tolerate assholes. Unless he was like, you know, then makes me so sad is that like objective reality is canceled out by uh your local like, I read Tahanasi Coates' book, Between the World and Me. And then I read Douglas Murray, like that, like, it just seems so destructive. Like, now we're so aware of each other's differences

51:52 And then things go so far to one direction and then they bounce back the other direction. The problem is it also becomes something that people barter in. Community-oriented things? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. my own life experiences and talk to people if they want to share something with me so I can Like I've been the only woman on a bill more times I could ever count.

55:11 one's laughing if you're not funny you know no i think it's harder for women because there's a lot There's a prejudice amongst men that some women aren't funny. it. Comedy is a meritocracy in that if you are funny, are very popular yeah it's but comedy is a meritocracy to be that but then it's always going to be people who rise and most people will look at those people

57:36 And they'll listen and they may even agree with you. I mean, like, truth be told, like, I'm giving my career a whole makeover because, like, it hasn't been working, like, since COVID especially. But, like, I just not making enough money on the road. which is, club area where I could I could do okay, like if it were like the old days, where like, people were

59:30 like well I'm having fun wherever I'm at and I've had a lot of fun thus far and you know the thing And the people that don't get to see them, in the state of my industry or, you know, doing TikTok and like all like keeping up on the stuff. Are you TikToking? I, you know, You got that one video with the goat and you keep posting the goat videos. Some people are awesome at it.

1:03:13 social media so i i had a i had a show in chicago a couple months ago september yeah and chicago I think I posted one thing that was I can't remember, but it was like a logical thing about the vaccine of like, well, if I can still get COVID and spread COVID, why do I need the vaccine? Elon posted on Twitter that people that have had their accounts removed

1:05:11 That's crazy. So he made a post like nothing has changed. i gotta get home to my husband and my wife Like, the littlest things. but I we like made track, which is awesome. Jameson. I didn't know. and then do it that way? It's his sounds coming through that guitar and you can tell almost Yeah. He's like, I just can't do this place anymore. Like, I lived in Silver Lake, and it was just dangerous.

1:10:23 and then he went back to toronto after the mask mandate. He's like, this is insane. And then he went back to Toronto after the mask mandate. It's just a more logical approach. I meditated and was reading all the books and having my dark nights of the soul. know just the things i'm into well we're just very lucky that there's a place like this that exists that you could

1:12:59 I'm like, aw, look at you. Oh, my God. But it's not just their fear. like giving you the the look of like why aren't you wearing one well if you have one then you breaks from that yeah yeah that book is long as fuck and filled with horrific details yes yes it It's not a device. It's not just the facts. And anger. Yeah. The problem is people want to paint Robert Kennedy Jr. as a conspiracy theorist.

1:16:49 want to like lose my fucking mind, you know? Cause it's, cause you can, it's so dark. You'd go crazy. but the old gods have lost their, like they're dying But is he Odin? They give him like gods. Norse gods. Yeah, Norse gods like Odin and stuff like that. But is he Odin? Okay. It's on... I try to, like, I get kind of anxious when I watch too much TV

1:19:47 But like, started the puzzle, couldn't stop thinking about it. You feel that way too, Jamie? shape basically they cut them the exact same oh my god so it's like impossible to figure out oh I fucking love this shit. it all starts to like piece together. sometimes i'll get the lyrics for a song i was working on when i'm driving in my car and i have So you don't have like very specific methods.

1:23:37 he's just so beautiful creatively intellectually like books he's always giving me books like suze But, you know, I'm learning this new program. Do you do that often? i don't know i just it doesn't feel like the right place for me to come from when I'm making something. Like I just want to formulate the idea and have it be beautiful and, you know, best as I can.

1:25:45 Is it that it's, And I also love synthesizers and all the stuff and soul music. Like, what the fuck is he doing now? All you can do is text him and it's only green. I think Jack White does that too. Yes. vacation it was amazing yeah it's like i have this like giant weight, but I, meanwhile, I couldn't wait to get back to prison. Oh yeah. To mental prison and get that

1:28:48 And then like, And that was cool. And you can you can change like your bone structure. I always write in cursive for the most part. Yeah. So let's pee and then we'll come back. So this might be the only place you could hear them. And pulling your hair From you And lose your mind cause it's honest From you From you Okay. Come and sit with me now. Time wounds us almost days

1:38:02 If you Yeah, it's weird because I only played that for my husband and a friend of mine. that's delicious it would have Because there's things that happen in our lives, and you get into that thing, and then it changes who you are. I feel like I might have done really well as an actor for a little while. Right. But, um, yeah, like, And, And that show was funny.

1:41:36 Started off really good, who had done a bunch of hacky sitcoms, does that torpedo your career for a future, you know, like it's just such a roll of the dice. were also doing comedy yes okay i was doing stand-up first right and that's how i got a It's just different. You just gotta get used The show was terrible. We all knew it was terrible. The show was terrible.

1:43:59 Yeah. Isn't that such a thing? like their credit card debt whatever debt they have and i remember when i first started making You know, like you think you need, like, I need that car. The idea that you don't enjoy, like, physical things, Right. you're like what are you going to be like that old guy who's like you know on his boat with all the It certainly can, and the access to it.

1:47:52 It's like, Jesus Christ. get a record deal and and it's never even feast it's like you get like 30 grand and you live in you know but you're like having this great That was only three years ago. Mm-mm. if I didn't see them a couple times a year. The music business is very hard. He's one of the good ones. money in some ways like depending on who you were and what kind of music you were playing

1:51:19 It's a very double edged sword, Spotify. Wow. Yeah. I'm getting stuff for free. And I'm not mad at that. What I really care about is is the human experience of of that moment when you're having that connection and you're sharing this thing like I have these I have these gifts right like I'm Oh, of course. A hundred percent. Nobody talks about that.

1:53:57 days when everything was shutting down and we didn't know how long it was going to last with my parents for five weeks in South Carolina And, you know. even though it's here all the time. You gotta do it. gary last summer brought brought us on to blues on the green which was like we played in front of so grateful to be a part of it and like i want to give all my best qualities to this city musically

1:56:51 Is that what you want? There's this meme of me and Theo Vaughn. So they lip sync to it. Mm-hmm. fucking army of they're fucking fun on the other, like the music, storytelling is just, it's like people aren't, like that, there's a lot of sketch shows and things like that. Like I do not look at it as an obstacle. it is an old friend hello old friend i don't know this one but i like it oh it's a limited edition

2:00:14 But that one in particular than other ones. You said that so convincingly. Yeah, we're both super lucky we found the thing we do. Yeah. Re-evaluate. um and even if i were in a place where i i weren't doing what i do and having this kind of life like He's like, I got my brain back. Yeah. you can hear the videos leave me alone like you always lie and then I'll try to justify it.

2:03:22 Out loud? i was having taekwondo matches in my head it's hilarious it's true it's true i used to have Like, because you're programming your mind to create songs. It'll like kick me upside the head until I take care of it I think that's your spirit. Yeah. Well, to be challenged is a a gift in in so many ways and then, you know, my, my stepdaughter. And, you know, if we have more kids, like where I sit in this line of generational, um, personalities and habits and, and where I see the mistakes and where

2:07:27 like the kind of people and then there's so many things i'm like oh god you know um and it feels shot down from an airplane oh my god and like he was a waste gunner like one of the most dangerous And I'm just fascinated by those people. I'm pretty sure it was my Aunt Rita um to tell a story were moving them but it was you know like you walk for 82 days like you can't stop to take a

2:11:08 And I remember this old man, because my parents used to send us to Florida in the summers where my grandparents lived. And, like, they were friends till their very old age. Yes. It's just like most people's, like what's the worst for you is the worst for you right and and being like man that must be for that kind of thing the problem is social media

2:14:22 but now you're telling discouraging in terms of Like no bullshit. feel completely powerless to these world events that are going on well you're not powerless like It's like what most people would be doing. Will Harris from White Oaks Pasture. like why he did what he did, they put all this industrialized fertilizer everywhere and then it gets in like 20 years you said wow yeah and just what it's done to the soil and the way this so everything

2:17:47 Yeah. Tell me what the hard days were, Joel. What kind of diarrhea some parasites. He wasn't worried little kids you'll see, like, when they're really little, I think it must be. Because you have to factor in the, like, superbugs that have formed from all of our antibiotics Medication resistance staff? Dude, people get amoebas. I've had several friends that got parasites.

2:20:43 Is all that stuff real? Yeah. Yeah. I was eating a lot. of the water okay that's all the all the heavy metals and stuff i guess sit yeah well i mean I don't know if it's mercury, but like whatever they were leaking has infected the entire river Uh-oh, are you going to call me out? touring to do and a friend of mine with their very fancy doctor in hollywood like top of the top

2:23:54 So, I mean, I was sick for like a year. Infection occurs when H. pylori bacteria infects your stomach. Well, you get heartburn. So then I kicked the H. pylori, but I was still uncomfortable for a while. Correct. Well, that sounded like you had an infection. I was bummed. Yeah. You're like, what is that? Yeah. Whoever works on the viruses... where they kill, you know,

2:28:17 this is like at any moment in time, But it's scary and i'm not necessarily doomsdaying much respect much respect surfers no i mean like the force of our planet of the nature and like We watched Armageddon the other day. It's happened so many times. into your eyes when the end of the world comes you know i almost want to be like right there a fuckload of times kids i am having graham hancock and randall carlson come on the podcast

2:32:07 They go down 12,000 years, and they find this high level of iridium, which is really common in space and really rare on Earth. but it might have been way earlier than that that stuff might have been a remnant of an ancient I feel so sad for people that don't dig into themselves and dig into this stuff and think about the enormity of our existence and like your life is so short it goes so fast and you know

2:34:32 I think it's just a process. because I'm actually like an optimist eternally. you focus on trivial things. When something big happens, that's when everybody puts the Done with it. we're getting some correct information i'm not discarding the information i'm just saying i'm Yes. deep who did that and why they did it but like they had the ghost the ghost of Kiev was like the

2:37:42 I'm mad. A bunch of stuff. Okay. Wrong redhead. Doesn't matter. There you go. Don't give her attention. Oh, okay. No. Wrong one. Wrong This is when my war with Jessica Chastain starts. Isn't that your favorite everybody? But, I mean, I'm always having fun with Nick. He's my best friend. Are you sure? Right. Guess what? Don't pretend you... If you want to learn how to do it, learn from people that did it.

2:40:30 Susanna's a regular human But, you know, One of the reasons why is because you have to shovel snow for many months of the year. Oh, yeah. You know? water off the ocean Yeah. I love it. I think California is like being a trust fund baby, weather-wise. I'm losing my tan. For yourself, like they can't do that if they don't know what that feels like. then how would you know it's humbling when everyone's stranded at home and you look out

2:44:14 You have those things you smack, those warmers you put in your boots. Those motherfuckers have to deal with cold. Real people. But I, well, there's a lot of disillusioning kind of places, like New York and L.A. but hardy is a good word for it. That feeling that you have you ain't shit yeah that's funny Hey, I played in Telluride, He lived in this small little town that if something went wrong,

2:48:09 And we're very sheltered from that most places don't don't have those experiences you know and because you don't need to advertise of really interesting people. It's a beautiful place. you know, not like a cheap thrill. watching dumb shit well sure but like the execution of what you've ingested and then the way you um right you have to factor in that like this like get rich quick because of like being beautiful

2:50:52 Like you can't. They started their bullshit a long time ago. Are they? If that's all you're sellingodoo. If that's all you're selling. That's, uh, how old is she? I don't know her that well at all. Where did she? She's maintaining relevance to a certain extent. Sticking her booty up in the air and having them big titties flop around. 64. to our music and culture,

2:53:51 That is a strange fetish that I do not understand. that's the future of ar you're gonna put on glasses and the person that you're with is gonna I want you to see the real me. But there's this episode with I think it's Kether Donahue, a friend of mine, where like her husband has an addiction to VR. It's 100% going to happen if it hasn't happened already.

2:55:33 You gotta work the boss. Anyway, at the outro, I'm pretty sure you'll hear me singing on that episode. I think there's also going to be a lot of people that are bad at sex. You can listen to a book on tape. It's like handle your booze. That's where the nuclear war comes in. different place. I think that's going to happen with a human neural interface. I think they're

2:58:21 And it's going to be one of those things just like a phone. The idea that you could get a hold of someone You had to listen to your answering machine. to go get it it's a different world but is it better that's the question isn't it better to We're already cyborgs. All that stuff that you just cited, like people being addicted to Snapchat and stuff, that's all real.

3:00:26 Like, be with your family. I think we're going to... on at the same time. technologically accelerated evolution. Yeah. Do you have an understanding of how they think that Neuralink Like government, agencies or whatever. Even if they can fix the connections to your legs, they haven't been firing. I really do. Columbus, Ohio. a giant computer too. It's not just

3:03:24 that's one of the things that they think that these neural implants may be able to do is to improve people with injuries. And still be people that talk to each other. and it's going to happen really quick. No, no, yeah, yeah. measure the nerves and muscles What? I believe so, yeah. You can see. You're going to get a chip. Ooh, can I fly? Not necessarily.

3:06:57 I don't. people brains. Again, Greek mythology, they have amazing senses wasn't there like a real thing about raccoons taking over the world or spiders or something? Whatever the number is. But accelerate. your grandma's wrapped It was so dark at the end. to the book, I think. Anybody, you can't tell me any different. yeah also um life is scary enough it is and and like to this you know what i really like i really have an

3:10:03 Yeah. And I have just a real inherent instinct and aversion to the other in that way. gets on tv and says we've located the devil he's in sudan we're sending troops there immediately Sure. wouldn't the best way to just hide in plain sight and ridicule? attacking. Yeah, there's that too. That is frightening. Like how many people do you know that are just not wired right?

3:13:30 So Nick is a big comic book, like Maven, like knows probably every major Marvel, you name it. it's, you know, like, we're talking about science, we're talking about's you know like we're talking about science we're talking about I'm just, I'm just, just you know talking about what i've read Have you read it? It's the dumbest lesson ever. What is that story right what is that

3:17:51 a thousand years after that or before Some boys tease him. I think he said. He called it a she-bear. Okay, came out in town, cheered him, go up you bald head. But is that the the kids killed by bears. Did they have fuck back then? That's where I was going to go. It's like, we think of it as like, Yeah, probably has a harsher connotation to it. like the people fucked that message up.

3:21:22 Those are the books that were taken out of the Bible. To me, the most interesting He deciphered these things. hidden in the fucking side of a mountain. And that's what the Bible was originally all about. Now, by the way, it's heavily disputed. A lot of people don't agree with them. A lot of people think it's They thought that when it rained, it was the Lord putting semen on the earth.

3:24:10 Well, that's the thing, too. Like, first of all wild wild yeah but like this like when do we have the opportunity to record something like tipped between like you know your ideologies that become religions and and the way that we um attack and and defend and like i i don't know i don't know what to do out there you know but this stuff No, I felt that oneness before.

3:25:56 Or do you want to just live your life the right way? We have problems in adopting patterns of thinking and behavior and being tribal and fucking being against other people that we determined to be of a differing ideology. whatever effect, it has an effect. And you got to be aware of it. But I think that's one of My poor children have to shovel snow.

3:28:31 version of the world just like we'll never understand the people that came over on a What a show. What is that movie? I thought it was like a I didn't take Alpha Brain he was wrapping up a story and maybe even And in this one, Yeah. No, it's really- They had one of those too. You think about like 90% of the people in this whole continent were killed by disease over a small period of time.

3:31:50 I mean, like, imagine all the animals that were omnipresent all over this country that There's jaguars still in America. And it's a really big cat. I think Florida has a puma. Really? It was clearly a big cat. No shit? And then I saw one in Utah a year ago that was about 180, 190. I had put up binoculars, so I was like looking. That's what I noticed.

3:34:26 You should be with at least four. of people possible. Wow. It's so insane, their sense of smell. It's all about finding You don't wash with that day and stuff? It won't work. Their noses are too good. Their scent is going to come towards us, but they're not getting our scent. than in alberta i did see a grizzly bear and that was a very different and it wasn't a big one either

3:35:54 Are you going to eat food, or am I going to eat you? And so- Probably should not be there. Stuff like that if I'm anxious. Yeah. They mate with them and then they eat them. I'll raise my own kids. No, I think they go off and he's like, here's your baby. When black widows spiders mate, the female always kills and eats the male. and they're polite. I let them live. But I've seen it.

3:38:28 to anymore, and then they often kill them and eat them. Yeah, but he died doing what he loves you're not a plural This article says that that's exactly what it does to male. Like, no, sometimes it's true. Spiders apparently They catch bees and they're like, nah, bitch, I'm just going to eat you head first. Praying mantises? Don't you... Just eat his head.

3:41:02 Do you imagine if that thing was as big as an ostrich? It would be like A Quiet Place. If he gets all five of them, he grows this size of a giraffe and kills everybody. Oh, my God. No, I don't want to see that. This is so crazy consume it. I don't want to see it. I'm just a stick. Well, they're kind of reptilian in that way. where the birds of prey are

3:43:29 Yeah, they can color themselves to like... It looks just like a flower. So where did he get it? And they're fascinating to see in the wild because you look at them and they really are different than all the other insects because they're a predator of insects. Like the predator flowers. Those are gnarly looking No, that's a real, that seems like some sort of a real bug.

3:45:26 Jamie's an insect doctor. Just like we are different than Little House on the Prairie. We're going to see. It looks very suggestive. Just imagine if that's as big as a giraffe. that's good I think I'm gonna let you live. I want to see this thing dead. The Comanches fight the predator. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And if there is a thing, systems and they're getting more and more data and i think that's how it's supposed to be i think

3:49:05 until someone gets to a point where they control horrible one. It was very scary. way that no other animals doing, I don't think it's going to be them. We should wrap this up. I mean, you want to buy it from my website, but you can- and can they download yay it is It was really fun.