Joe Rogan Experience #1895 — Matt Walsh Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. I think it's one of the most eye-opening things that's ever been done you know, aware of what's going on of how wild this stuff has gotten. But first of Right around that time, it sort of occurred to me that the people promoting this stuff have a problem, question. It was really basic. Just like, what is a woman? What are you trying to say about womanhood

3:00 And we knew going in that we wanted two things. people, that would be satisfying for me emotionally, but it just wouldn't prove anything congressman in uh california and he's California. And he's one of the advocates. And he's a good guy to talk to. use the women's restroom or the women's locker room, but then there are females who don't want they're on the left, and they're not anti-trans. But then all of a sudden this is getting imposed

6:54 Yes. And many women who are in jail are in jail for nonviolent offenses. getting arrested, they identify as a woman. And you know, the other thing keep in mind, too, is that, yeah, there are men who are just you know, Abigail Schreier has written about this in her great book. And that's the social degrading to all of us, you know, that we're all being forced into this. Well, it's always been a psychological condition. It's always been known as being like a psychiatric

9:49 I've met people that are trans. And it's just it's so strange to me how so many people on the left being had on a very visible level, they just, they don't know what to do. They're panicked. before in human history. So the current crop of especially trans, quote unquote, trans kids, claim. Intuitively, it doesn't make any sense. It defies common sense, even before you look at

13:18 That's not how the human body works. And it's just a fact that this drug, number one, to begin with, is a cancer drug, originally for older men who have prostate cancer. They're promoting it as this is the silver bullet. you're oftentimes permanently taking away their future fertility. So, you know, you've taken as male or identifies as female and this is just how they feel they are.

16:29 So there's always been this many trans people. But child suicide almost like didn't exist up until very recently. Because like in the film, we go back to Alfred Kinsey and John Money. They were degenerate pedophiles. all became mainstream. And I don't know if Bruce Jenner is the definite starting point, but I do it should have been more clear. I guess woulda, coulda, shoulda, but it should have been more clear because this was this was they're waging an assault on like basic fundamental reality and uh so it goes way beyond this is not just about gender this

20:25 And she said, well, then I don't exist. still says yes, all in. Go ahead, have fun. Just like I think you should be able to ride bulls they're talking about self-perception like this person perceived himself that way but but self well, if that's how you feel, that's how you, if things are clearly odd think clearly don't make any sense they don't they don't fit with

24:25 then it's sort of like the sky's the limit. I think a lot of it is conscious. Some of the people that I talked to in the film, I think that they know that this doesn't make any sense and that it's wrong. And I think because they have to know it. If you're a doctor, you do have a basic understanding of male and female. You must. You wouldn't have been able to get through medical school if you don't. So I think that for them, it's intensely ideological. It's also profit driven. They've made a lot of money off of this. If a six-year-old boy says,

25:41 cowardice too. People are, are just terrified. You are just terrified. I've certainly seen a lot of that. People just are, they are scared shitless about being accused of bigotry, defend it intellectually. They also feel like they shouldn't have to. I think that they, Now, what has the response to your film been? It's the first time I've been involved in a film myself.

28:05 because she sees children in her kid's school that are identifying in this way. And she has And the other thing that I hear from people about the movie, such a Like, you have to have some sort of a punishment if they don't follow through, them to actually say something, putting words in their mouth and telling them you have to say this. It always starts that way.

31:29 She demanded that they talk in they-them way And anytime you ask someone to do that, it immediately descends into incoherence. And also, by the way, the actual gender neutral pronoun for an individual is it. It's not they. They haven't done anything that warrants that unique behavior. And you listen to them explain why they're them. But you're so special that we need to change the rules of the English language for you specifically.

34:05 But to demand this very special attention. So if you're saying, I'm a female, but I don't identify with girly things and I don't like the color pink and whatever. You're still a man, but be who you are. The idea now is that if you're a man, They've categorized and labeled and everything, and it's really strange. So you're masculine, you're feminine, and you're plural.

36:12 It's just, in that particular case, thinking that you're going to fucking cure climate change by throwing soup on a priceless painting and then gluing yourself to a wall. someone puts these videos that actually exist of people actually saying insane things about really think lives at tiktok is one of the most important journalists in america right one of the

38:29 Because if you're going to a children's hospital's website to look up gender affirmation care, Are you talking to them? Yeah. I have the videos. But that is more rare. a surgery you're going to allow them to have a surgery or force them to have a surgery encourage has come out and said that she, that he thinks that she thinks that he has sort of is encouraging

42:53 but then you are going to, you have their desires and their opinions and you're filtering it through Yes. Yes. And, you know, this notion that this is the one time where we're supposed to abandon So that person has a website, and you can go to the website, and it's like Justice for Demi. girl if what are you i'm a i'm a girl you get to go to the girls prison if you're a boy like all

45:34 Well, they really have no choice but to institute policies like this. And you end up with policies like that. We all understand that children cannot consent. you're sterilizing the kid. They're not gonna be able to have kids 15 years old. And you're sterilizing the kid. I couldn't imagine wanting a kid. Now, have you received offers to debate people that have differing opinions on this?

47:59 And everywhere I go, of course, there's protests and everything. the bible i don't know maybe the sign of the apocalypse people are eating the bible it might then they have no interest. I mean, she's a great American for doing that. And she has a lot of political courage. And the way he did it with the straw men and the way he was talking about affirming their health care and affirming their gender.

50:21 Appeal to authority. And then also, I don't care what letters the best interests of personal health and wellness, that these are the people that are saying it so often. And when you've got the twin pressures of – well, you've got twin incentives of the political ideological incentives and the monetary incentive. That's, that's very powerful. And I think that does

52:44 the other problem. You're talking about hormone blockers yeah millions of kids have been on hormone blockers really uh i'm sure someone's gonna fact check me on it but my my my guess And then we know that there's been this exponential increase with all this stuff year over year. you want. But when you're talking about doing that to children, the fact that so many people

54:51 Yeah. Matt Walsh claims it does. Because if we don't have long-term data on what happens when you give young children puberty blockers or double mastectomies, I mean, are there at least following up on these kids so What kind of complications are they experiencing? And he said, I think he said it's a, it's a Faustian bargain. a cautionary tale of like, hey, this doesn't always work out well. Let's look at this and get an accurate... If you were looking at this in good faith, that you would say,

57:53 It's horrific. Fascist? Call her a fascist because she's talking about medical malpractice and getting her breasts removed when she was 16 years old before she knew what the fuck was going on talking about this horrible experience that she's had and yeah and you decide that that makes you fascist yeah i mean fascism It's bizarre to me that no one is standing up to try to counter your claims and wanting to go public and wanting to have some sort of a public debate. Because I would imagine that something

1:00:42 going to be panned in in corporate, but I figured... Was it? and none of them are from the major media outlets either. I mean, that's, everything's done then. we got to start by you defining your terms. Like, why would they do that? that are very difficult to ignore and that you on this it really speaks volumes yeah i mean it does i think they also realize that um and we

1:03:22 We went all the way to Africa to talk to a traditional tribe there about this stuff and um and they were just they were their minds were thing. They talk about, in fact, they include it now in the LGBT acronym is Two Spirit, And also because the identities are becoming redundant. It should be. and you're like well that's so that's women that's what a woman that's like every woman

1:06:14 The term two-spirit was coined, I believe, in 1990. Like a man who says he's a woman actually really is one not just that's a tricky one because what's you know prove a soul Yeah. the film there where i brought up um uh transabled people which is a real phenomenon people who feel that now that's a valid gender identity. So I was told a few months before that,

1:09:59 then there's no floor there. I mean, then whatever someone claims about themselves, That's actually less crazy than transgenderism. Yeah, because all human beings evolved from Africa. It's the reason why people are so pale But we kind of skipped that, and we just went right to the transgender thing. It has to be. Yeah. the other way? where does this go? Yeah, I do think about that a lot

1:12:42 happening. And then once they're aware that it's happening, they're like, oh yeah, that's crazy. We can't there telling their stories. The stories are just, are so infuriating and tragic what's happened to these these kids. I think it's a much longer fight. People that wanted to watch the film, 300,000 subscribers in a couple of weeks. um, it's, it was, it was very emotionally, it just sitting across the room with people like this and they're,

1:16:43 comes home and says, I'm a boy, you know, um, like the academia, the school system, government, they've all been captured. So that's the big challenge that we face, I think. That's the other thing that really jumped out at me making the film, is that you go into these areas. mind? Yeah, I've, I've heard, I've heard that a lot. I mean, I haven't, I haven't specifically

1:19:50 along with it. Then they see the film and they hear us Yeah. After they've all, you know, so many of them have bought into this and maybe they've essentially they don't one of the reasons is what I've heard. Essentially, they don't. where these genital surgeries are happening to minors. Absolutely. They're not as common but then also to give them legal recourse down the line.

1:23:18 despairing because despairing is you've given up hope right and then what's the that to claim those institutions back, that's the I mean, you know, he's 80 years old. I would love if somebody would ask him that. they're not going to ask it and then yeah dylan mulvaney's in the white house and and this is woman of the year yeah you know have you seen that bit yeah yeah right and m&m and 15 seconds

1:26:41 You know, sex is your biological nature, and then gender is your whatever, They've made the terms interchangeable, the entire language is formulated on female and male like that, that like A's and O's have to change it. Of course they're going to reject it. But again, that's when you get outside out there, but at first to a lot of people, And then I just started blogging.

1:29:35 So I was able to build, take advantage of that. And it was seen seemingly, you know, how it was for a while until it seemed like Donald Trump. that there is a conspiracy against them has always been the way we can discern and discern what's right and what's not, Yeah. Yeah. I think you're right that Donald Trump was a turning point because that's that was something that from the perspective of the powerful elites, that's just not – that's not supposed to happen.

1:32:35 You can control people that way, which is what, of course, they do that. then that's much more powerful than simply passing laws and telling you what you can and what their beliefs are, then you, you know, that's, that's much more powerful than simply like passing laws and telling you what, what you can and can't do. Yeah. And that's or say disparaging things about whether or not the vote was stolen,

1:34:30 think far more people are probably in the middle. They just, they see something that's abhorrent on The only thing that's going to solve that is open debate and communication where people get to really evolve their own ideas and see these ideas And the assumption was, oh, Roe v. Wade's's overturned it's going to mobilize voters to come out for democrats

1:36:10 And they, you know, about the future, they're concerned about the economy and they're concerned about the environment. what are the issues that you care most about? It's economy is always number one. And that probably is Now, from you starting out initially writing this blog and developing a social media following, it just, I guess the phrase is radicalized.

1:39:01 about all the conspiracy theories. He lived in a bus outside of a hippie commune with the BLM flags. violent homeless guy in San Francisco. You cannot blame Republicans for crime committed in San Francisco. It just doesn't make any sense. It's the chickens come home to roost. You seem like you're in your 40s. How old are you? Wow. I'm 36. Are you like how old you seem like you're about when you're 40s how old are you wow i'm 36 are you well you seem mature 36 is young so that's

1:42:07 yeah it felt it felt like a the right thing to do i also don't i don't have any other skills so How so? That's always what I've, what I've cared about. Yeah. uh, back in, I don't know, it was like 2016 called the unholy Trinity about their three to be so rigid in their ideologies that they're willing to subscribe wholesale to this And they're in a world where all these ideas are just assumed.

1:46:36 comes down the chimney, they just believe it. They might have a few questions, but the questions are tell them anything and they'll believe it. And they a lot of people, they just keep believing it. You hear about the college snowflakes, to insulate them from these harsh realities. with no brain yeah something like that doesn't it go like that yeah something like that i mean

1:50:11 Yeah, we read the apology on air. He just was taking pictures of people. one of the difference though, was that social media existed and it had already taken over society. Maybe it will change now with Elon Musk. This is an institution with thousands of people. And if the whole institution is still against you, the more interesting things about a film like yours coming out onto the daily wire is that

1:53:36 if you go to whatiswoman.com, Yeah. I don't think it was just that. I mean, originally it started as basically a conservative kind of But with The Daily Wire, the desire is to build an actual culture institution that can reach into all these different areas of culture and really make an impact that way. without the political stuff, Have you had disputes with any of your people that used to be liberal friends?

1:56:11 Not the city, but outside of Baltimore. Like people seem to have like shored off into their own camps. There are no shared beliefs. passionate debates that feel productive because we agree on the fundamental stuff, but now we're Well, when you get away from gender, what are the other? gigantic divides that you see that are impassable Well, marriage is a legal union between people who love each other, right?

2:00:08 make official a union between people who love each other like if you're with someone you love them institution. That's what we're talking about. You want the public to recognize this. If it was just if human society were to collapse overnight and we all woke up with amnesia and didn't remember anything about what happened before and we're rebuilding society from scratch and we look around and we see that, oh, there are some couplings over here that have this weird habit of creating people.

2:02:47 Yeah, it's common, but the union itself is not creating the child. But doesn't that seem like an easier one? I mean, isn't that what the Mormons did? Yeah. But only, but only two people can actually create two men will raise a baby. Um, so are we saying that the mom is not, we don't, like the mom is household, and the child can be raised by a single parent, and the child can turn out,

2:06:07 They need her. She does something special and unique in our family. And if they didn't have her, kids that are not adopted. There's a lot of kids that are in foster care. Wouldn't it be better waiting lists. Talk to, talk to parents that have been through this. They went on waiting lists for they want a baby so they can raise the child from as close to birth as possible.

2:08:46 Are you opposed to that? If marriage is only for procreation and to bond a family together, what about people that are deeply in love that never want to have children? Sure. and there will be disease and infertility and old age If they want to. they should be open to, to life. I would hope that in the future they would be, but. It's about what this institution, marriage as an institution, and what is it and what purpose does it serve?

2:12:23 know the advocates for gay marriage will say well well, that's a slippery slope argument. They don't make it. Yeah, I don't think that a gay couple existing It's like how many cowards stay? I'm saying it is, then what then why do we even need it? because it means something to the people that get married. It's not – people change. People are fucked up. It doesn't always work out. It's not, it's not a, it's people change. People are fucked up.

2:16:40 to the institution of marriage. Isn't it, though? I bet it's pretty high amongst heterosexuals. deep satisfaction and and that's that's what i'm focused on and the woman says that's great because Well, right, yeah, but right now we're not talking about what people are allowed to do. But how is it wrong if they have a fulfilling and wonderful life together with that choice?

2:19:37 or whatever you believe in. It's not selfish at all. and the age when people first have kids is also going up and all that. fulfilling life just reading books and traveling and experiencing different things and seeing art what's important in life without hurting anyone. The thing is like, what I'm saying is these people on a societal level when we start breaking down these basic central institutions like the

2:23:03 Also, more kids are being born in a context where they don't have that stable family structure. of marriage is just a legal bond. I mean, is there, what is That's different marriage. you know you have people who live together and they say well there's no point in getting married if we expand marriage to include gay couples, we have made marriage into something effectively

2:26:33 And that's a problem because I think that marriage is so important to a functioning human civilization, which is why there's never been a civilization without it. that affects them in the slightest. I don't think my marriage is affected at all by my friend getting divorced. Have you talked to happy gay couples and about what it means to them to be married because it's significant it means like

2:29:06 But I do believe that it's immoral. There's people that are just gay. If you go back through like ancient stories, there's been men who've been in love with men. and you have a society that has embraced this and has officially sort of embraced the idea I think actually it is. If all it is is a piece of paperwork saying, I love this person, what the hell do I need that for?

2:33:19 15, 20 years. You're not the same person you were 20 years ago. I'm not the same person I was 20 that we think that oh it should But isn't it an epidemic of people growing and changing? the other person falls apart and you don't want to be bonded to them anymore yeah but it's it's Um, It's like, you know, there's a lot of reasons to get divorced. Yeah. But it's also not like a happy marriage is not something that you

2:36:20 other person um if both if both members of the couple do that then the marriage will mean something emotionally they mean something in terms of the definition of are you single or are you married? But the reality is, I mean, as much as we'd like to idealize about it, the divorce rate is extremely high. They would grow together. well couples exist but the idea of a legal bond and marriage most certainly is invented

2:38:41 There's a lot of benefits to that. bound together legally like isn't that the same thing let me just ask you this. Would you say that there is an important difference between a couple that can create a child, I mean, is there a difference between these two? We don't call it gay marriage. There's a difference between gay people and straight people. And it's an important difference because the ability to create people is a significant distinction.

2:42:01 But yes, morally. If I was like a dictator of the universe and I could control everything, we could talk about it. for a long time. This is what it is. it's not like there's a there's not like there's a law targeting you individually. it's not as simple as just someone to say, you don't, don't be that anymore. Right. So what would you tell them to do? Just, just like, you know,

2:45:10 What if you have gay people that are also, And that's that's my moral view. That's sex also has, you know, we should be open to life. gay yeah uh it's i think it's a multi-faceted question i'm i don't know if we could point to to it. Well, we're not talking about enforcing. marriage and marriage between a man and woman and but do you think that that

2:48:03 Why would God make people gay if he didn't want them to engage in gay sex? doctrine. I mean, one of the basic one of the, again, we're getting, you want to get into Christian doctrine. I mean, one of the, one of the, uh, one of the basic elements of Christian doctrine is that we're a fallen species. And, uh, and so there's, there's, there's, there are many things that come out of our kind of fallen human nature.

2:49:49 Tried to figure out why. because now you're talking about if you're born with any sexual proclivity, It's even natural in some animals. And if marriage shouldn't involve gay people, then you are saying that it's because of Christian fundamentalist ideology. And that difference comes down to its capacity, its procreative capacity or lack thereof. that are in love that want to be married? Because the union between a man and a woman,

2:54:05 Maybe. There's not very many people that on their deathbed are going to tell you they regret that they had kids or that they gave their life to their kids. No, obligation to procreate. I think you have a moral obligation in your marriage to keep your marriage open to its capacity for life. Yeah. consequential capacity. And society has a vested interest in your marriage if it has the potential

2:57:06 But that is kind of what it's about. If we're talking about laws, if we're talking about you you love them i mean there's you know like you've been saying this whole time uh and we're just getting rid of that, then, and all it is is paperwork to say, I love someone contributes to that decline? and affirming your love together in what be excluded from law.

3:00:49 And one of the ways that I know that is that marriage has existed as an institution in societies all across the country and throughout history. Is that something in the past that people embraced while they embraced heterosexual marriages is it a cultural thing i don't think so i mean i i'm not Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen. one of the more important things of being able to have conversations like this is that people

3:03:02 is there's a lot of different ways to live your there's still, there's like, there's a commonality. We started the conversation talking about gender. because there's there's just no shared framework at all maybe but at least people like in the movie, in What is a Woman, And we should hear them. And anything that opposes things that they've agreed to or believe in or ascribed, they think of that as being an assault on their very being.

3:06:46 And no matter what. That's why they say misgendering is a violent act how could that possibly be justified well it's a violent act because it's a I would encourage them to watch it and see what they're up against because I don't think it's everything they think that is that it is It's available everywhere. Thanks, Matt.