Joe Rogan Experience #1897 — Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Thank you. it's the first time, I think, that these radical ideas have got onto a major platform. but they do act as gatekeepers as to what may be allowed out in front of the public and what may be not allowed. to make sure that no criticism can come in of their sites, And immediately they turned around and said, no, filming permission is refused because Hancock's views differ from our own.

3:53 And what is the significance of Serpent Mound? changes in the rising point of the sun over thousands and thousands of years. And that's Yeah, material, like what kind of material? But the site itself has been sacred for millennia. incredible pyramid in Mexico at a place called Cholula. And it is, in fact, the largest pyramid may be much older than the archaeological dating.

7:15 and episode eight is the episode the Channel Scablands in the Pacific Northwest. But in the interest of making this a standalone show, we should probably get into it before. Jamie, can we do a map? A little HDMI action. but Eden Prairie was a location of an airport. And it was right here on this bluff, looking into this valley. So anyways, I was standing here looking out into this.

11:32 as I was beginning to learn more about catastrophism, which was still very much in the seminal stages back in the, say, 70s. And this was one of the outburst floods, draining of Lake Agassiz. Because these drainings would have involved not just water, but icebergs. because if you take measure of the water flow at any two points along the channel, it's going to be the

14:04 I was in the bottom of one of these potholes and Graham is peering over the And this is very convincing evidence water that came out of the ice cap and filled it up. filled with icebergs and whole forests ripped up by their roots. samples, let's say because it's a flood, what it's going to do, it's going to pick up younger again, it comes out perfectly consistent with the Younger Dryas.

17:40 And they landed on the North American ice cap, generating huge amounts of heat. the best explanation of what's going on. And I'm very which is from the Ancient Apocalypse show and where Randall makes the point at the end of it, that once we take this into account, This pillar is like our Rosetta Stone. that we've got to stop being so complacent about how we look at our past.

20:32 It was a process, really. I used to be a current affairs journalist. I was the East Africa another explanation. And I started to, I've always been a contrarian. I've always tried to give an street, they've got something to contribute to the idea of our past. about 2013, it became clear to me that these scientists were onto something really big. In my case, they almost never get to grips with the material that

24:08 allowed this information to get out to the general public, this contrary information, decades, that civilization began about 6,000 years ago. And before that, there was no such thing as buried, deliberately buried by the people who created. generating those supposed surpluses that would allow experts in architecture to emerge. They were hunter local population, to push them into a new direction. And that was truly the beginnings

27:42 The last of the ice caps collapse into the sea, sea level rises about this great advanced civilization that once existed existed but that angered the gods and was destroyed in an enormous flood. level that ever occurred. So if Plato made it up, it's really weird that he picked because in their pride and in their arrogance, like this that were thought to be just legend and myth,

30:21 and they may be expressed in symbolic language. that destroyed a former civilization that brought to an end a golden age. you know what, I was watching your stuff every time I get one, that's encouraging to me. If you don't copy what your professor says, if you go off on a tangent, they'll cut you off. When we did that and he expressed all of this information, we talked about these ancient clay vessels that show clear evidence of some sort of psychedelic that was mixed in with wine.

33:54 And what psychedelics seem to do is they break that lock and they allow a kind of openness to come in and new thoughts to come in. and for which altered states of consciousness were fundamental. So he began looking into, he became a grower. A very interesting man. But yeah, 11 years as a Navy SEAL, and he saw it all. And mushrooms is And, you know, kudos to Terence McKenna.

37:11 that mainstream research is finally getting involved in this. They're realizing that these These should be matters of personal decision. Definitely. The ancient Egyptians definitely used psychedelics. their psychedelic of choice was the blue water lily, which was tinctured in wine. So we know for a fact that they utilize this based on... It's got dark underbelly.

39:42 In fact, it's common to find symbols representing the blue these things. So there are so many forbidden areas of our past, which have been forbidden by the Because again and again the experts have misled us. were in the past. example of that. A man who doesn't come from the field, the background of geology or archaeology, the leading research institutes in the UK. And for the first time ever, they're not looking to find

43:14 volunteers, and something else, DMT, as I'm sure you know, Joe, is a very short acting experience in. And the astonishing thing is that these volunteers, to work with DMT and human volunteers We have to be in an altered state of consciousness in order to experience them. rather than zooming off to other planets. Let's do both. But let's make sure that we understand that consciousness is an enormous mystery. And at the level of consciousness, DMT opens up

46:02 I mean, let's do that first. shouldn't do that. I'm not saying we shouldn't do that. with elves and fairies in the Middle Ages, encounters that shamans to this day describe as encounters Yeah. I'm very excited that the attitudes about this stuff from the general public, or doing psilocybin or having some sort of an experience with peyote. much affected the way that people relate to psychedelics. And when people explore the psychedelic experience

49:36 so long as we do no harm to others. are talking about because if we don't have an understanding of how we got to where we The Earth passes through it twice a year. And I celebrate the youth of our society today because they are refusing to be bound by the orders that are given to them by the powers that be. this time is going to be looked back on as a turning point in the human story.

52:33 to people like Bill Napier and all of those guys who've... Major astronomers are very aware of this. This is a video on Twitter of the Tord Meteor Stream. But they are shrouding very large objects that are on that same orbital trajectory which the Earth crosses twice a year. It's why it's called Ancient Apocalypse, because that's what it ultimately comes down to.

54:53 canopy. Hardly any archaeology has been done there. And yet we know from LIDAR surveys that We have an episode on Bimini and on the very controversial structure called the Bimini Road. Oh, wow. It's not even very deep. and I went back to diving in order to dive on it again in this series, you see that they're propped up, they're leveled out with rocks underneath them,

57:55 That's not the Bimini Road. About 1,000 feet in length. It is featured on the Piri Reis map. And what do you see running down it but an image of the Bimini No, no. This is Piri Reis. It's on its side at the moment. But down there in the lower had the capacity to explore the world and to map the world during the last ice age. That one. there's Antarctica at the tip of South America, just south of South Africa.

1:02:22 trying to mix exploration data from their own period with data from the older maps. But when you look at these progresses, we are finding evidence that the human species is much older than we thought. with, there's plenty of space. So bottom line, I think this was a civilization that flourished how far back do you think that goes? deal of land. Africa didn't suffer so much. The Nile River system was pretty much 12,500 years

1:05:49 And it's rainfall, it's erosion caused by heavy rains that is the enigma on the Great Sphinx. and that they then re-carved its head into the head of a pharaoh. And that head, as Robert Shock and others have pointed out, huge question mark over the Sphinx, that the erosion patterns on the Sphinx suggest it was It adds hugely to the credibility of Robert Shock's argument.

1:08:51 Those deep vertical fissures are classic precipitation-induced weathering, I think it could go back 20,000 years before that. I think it was around all that time. Some of them don't even know we exist. There's an amazing book, which I may have mentioned to you before, Joe, a book called not afraid, why do they react in this way as though we're some kind of existential threat?

1:12:58 Stunning detail. All I know is they did it. I don't think anybody knows how they did it, how they lifted those stones, how they brought them up to that level. I think we're looking again at a lost And within there, juxtaposed, are these episodes of very rapid sea level rise. So you're talking about a very energetic intertidal zone. chance to pull up a couple of really awesome drone footage here before we're done but once you begin to wrap your head around

1:15:49 not even recognized as being artificial in the sense that humans had anything to do with it. But what kind of technology is he talking about? Okay. these people over the last six or seven years. And right now, as we're speaking, there's a group And the inspiration for this... Oh, I have the cable now, don't I? and they're not open to the possibility

1:19:06 matter. saying is that we have this very limited idea of technology based on what we've experienced. it's a stunning amount of achievement. this is way too much for us to get in today that's why we need to devote a whole This is a generator that has no moving parts. basic idea of what we're looking at here. And it's all based upon the ancient really want to get Graham's feedback on this. I mean, would it be fair to say that there's

1:22:59 and this is diagramming all the frequencies of the elements He said, you laid the foundation with your work on ancient geometry, And there's over 100, they've developed over 100 patents on some of this stuff. that can be self-charging due to its ability to convert matter Robert Oppenheimer, Victor Schauberger, and so many others that were working in these fields,

1:25:55 And much better from their point of view to suppress it or if they can't suppress it to kind of buy it and hide it and keep things on the track that they're on now. who are leading our world right now. The leaders of our planet, the politicians out there, that these people are not psychedelically experienced. Mushrooms will do the job just as well.

1:28:08 Aha. Really? Well, it could be that because of his – because he did really go through pretty much a change of attitude during that last year. to recover it. who have seen the prototypes i had a meeting in september or not september about a month ago I've got the videos of testing the prototypes, like taking one of the gentlemen that I met with his nephew

1:31:41 And this is just the initial prototypes. would say that we live in a system that is very controlling, that works through very clever means to control the way people think. And their own personal interests are to express history the same way that they have always. It becomes existentially important to you. But I do think that advantage is being taken of it by other powers

1:34:53 and that the ability to think freely and think independently that the younger generation is And, yeah, I guess that's it. It's my job to offer an alternative point of view. I was lucky to work with a really top class professional camera team in making this series. by the so-called experts. Exactly. we're thinking to somebody in the next second the phone rings and it's that person.

1:38:46 thinking of them. And whenever I mention things like telepathy or telekinesis, I'm not pinning Peter Robinson Also so profoundly advanced in terms of their ability to move immensely huge objects They keep coming up with multiple theories about how the Great Pyramid was built, and none of them make any sense to me. bore you, but that number is not a random number. Anybody who goes into my books will find that it

1:41:15 ah, it's just a coincidence. It's just rubbish. That's what they say. And it's such a lazy way Okay, 24 hours times 60 times 60 means there's 86,400 seconds exactly in that period. solves the ancient geometric problem of the squaring of the circle have been built. Oh, you know, Hancock takes drugs, so you shouldn't listen to anything that he says. and what form it existed in.

1:45:31 No matter how much they insult me, no matter how much they insult Randall, I think it's a civilization that went back deep into the last ice age, That's why we have to smoke it in order to get the effect. So the notion of science How did you arrive at that? But it then went further steps ahead than other hunter-gatherer societies. And that's why I don't think they contaminated them too much.

1:49:33 civilizations were also advanced and through the use of pharmacology the same way we understand incredible, we still don't understand it fully today, the terra preta, the black earth, which is And it used to be 7 million square kilometers. About surrounded by a square, just enormous, enormous constructions that you would not expect to find hunter-gatherer civilizations having made.

1:51:59 Put some money into a proper LIDAR survey of the entire Amazon, and our whole idea of the past of the And partly because archaeologists are convinced that they're not going to find anything there. Well, LIDAR is breaking that myth. It's showing us that there is something and obviously they're going to know more about that site than anybody far and away.

1:54:11 to come in and try to for a long time, there was a dogma in archaeology, a true dogma, that there were no human beings in the Americas until 13,000 years ago. Yeah. Artifacts. Caves in the Yukon, for example, who found evidence of humans 24,000 years ago. They think human beings have been in the Americas for 130,000 years. migrating north. And it's just very difficult for these ideas to become accepted. But little by

1:58:03 in the Amazon rainforest is disease, right? And that prevailing theory of what happened to the civilization in the Amazon rainforest is disease, right? the Amazon. He reported it, but he was disbelieved. It was thought that he was making it up, that the indigenous inhabitants did not have resistance to, just completely decimated those And it is, you know, I call it the earliest known example of a biological weapon that we're seeing in the story of the Americas.

2:00:50 fanatic who was convinced that his ideas were the only right ideas and everybody else was wrong? Those who were destroying that human memory, no doubt they fervently believed that they were right. access to information and that we can find out about Yes. can talk to one another directly and share ideas, hopefully in a fertile way. It's sad been my god yes you know when we start talking about nanodiamonds and microspherals and all of

2:04:13 those are the things that you can't see without the technological enhancement, without scanning created by the massive heat and shock of an impact of an object from space. There's better shots of it, but it's that dark layer. It's a swarm of objects. those objects hit all around the world they hit It flattened 2,000 square miles of trees. The evidence is building.

2:08:08 Trevor Burrus Jamie, can I have the sacred cable back? All right, so this is just sort of a graphic I put together to show the torrid meteor stream. Orbit of Venus, and then this third ring here is the orbit of the Earth. Yes. it did not hit the ground. presentation. If somebody wants to learn more about this you can go on my website you can download it. What's the website?

2:12:10 from the region of space in which the constellation of Taurus is. It's not coming to us from Taurus, The Geminids, Gemini. explosion would look like? Well, I got a graphic here that actually is an artist's depiction It comes in so fast that the atmosphere can't move out of the way. The atmosphere piles up in front of it, becomes like a but I think it was another series of impacts 11,600 years ago that brought the Younger Dryas

2:15:29 It tells us that we're still in interaction with the torrid meteor stream, that it's not a distant and unimportant danger. the air. The end result fully explains how we could have lost a whole civilization from the record. Yes, for the first time. And I can think of many unworthy projects that the big nations are investing in at the moment, that had been completely invisible, and it was huge.

2:18:24 Our name and our number. All gone. All gone. All gone completely. And another big problem is that the majority of We would have to take refuge with hunter-gatherers and created projects like Gobekli Tepe, Dates from the same period. ant farms on an enormous scale that are dug out under the earth. Hundreds and hundreds of rooms that huge efforts was put into digging deep beneath the earth

2:21:10 during an episode of meteor bombardment during the Younger Dryas, because there wasn't just the one find? The oldest, they actually have no idea. They were used by Christians. They were used back in 2,000 plus years ago as homes in some cases. Got it right there. Yeah, it's cut literally out of the bedrock beneath the ground. were used. And they can be visited.

2:24:11 How long would it take to complete something like this? Otherwise, you're going to get a huge amount of human refuse built up inside these. or that are explained in unsatisfactory ways. Yunga Dryas impact and the events of the Yunga Dryas. But as you begin to grasp the magnitude of these things, when you start talking about the tremendous earthworks of North America, of which only a small fraction still exist, the structures in the Amazon, which to me was the most incredible part of America before.

2:26:44 And many of them unexplored. Most of them unexplored. magnitude in South America, in the Amazon, that was mind-blowing to me. magnitude. To me, there's just a disparity there that just, So Poverty Point in Louisiana, fantastic site, very large scale, enormous pyramidal structure there. it was felt useful to diminish the achievements Well, absolutely. The effect of that cannot be overestimated. The scale of the flooding across North America in the four or five hundred miles south of the ice cap, roughly the ice cap went. Absolutely wrecked. Anything that was there that would speak to our past

2:30:34 a lot of people misunderstand what you're doing but what you're doing is Here we don't go, as the case may be. There's people that come along, and because of their impact, We have to build our picture of the past from fragmentary evidence. you. Yes, I would love to. I think that would be fascinating. I would love to do that. It would Or giving him a platform.

2:33:12 Thank you. have always followed your work. We've both been giant fans of yours, but it's so interesting to think we're going to see much more of it in the future. Yeah. It'll be on yours as well. Keep going. Yeah, Tankersby, I saw his name. Can you go back, Jamie? Go down. Stop. Go down. This is somebody, Lieutenant Colonel Lohmeyer. And they spent millions of dollars training this guy and then they dismiss him because he was telling the truth about what's happening,

2:37:20 He's meeting with Donald Trump talking about the mission of Space Force. And then he got the boot because his book came out. make decisions for themselves. We have to respect the intelligence of the man in the street. of information and the dissemination of that information. And when you look at people who so much chaos and so much misery in the world and are spreading hatred and fear and suspicion all the time. We don't,

2:40:13 Yes, me too. psychedelics. It's not a trivial issue. It's a very, very major issue. And it's a sign of the You know, how did you manage to pull this off? Well, it's a crazy aspect of the military and war that we expect these people to have these insane, violent experiences overseas and then come back and just integrate into society. And I think, you know, what he's doing is going to be a big factor in that.

2:42:21 Yeah. It's one of the things that I most appreciate about America. Well, that's the fear. situation where some sort of a disaster or national tragedy to grasp more power. the downside of it was this encouraging of obedience. But the encouraging thing about it to me is that so many people are recognizing what happened now. That's my perspective. And then seeing it kind of running amok over the last few years, they've realized, oh, this is a dangerous trend.

2:45:55 We need to stop it now. Exactly. And it's exactly that issue that I'm up against with archaeology and the past. But I hope there will be. Either this series will work or it won't work. And if I can do a little plug, And in the first seven episodes, The mainstream version of history says that after the end of the Ice Age, That's the point. I've brought together the leading alternative voices, including very much yours.

2:50:02 and we've been peering through, looking at this other world and only getting a little piece of it. Bring it on. I'm honored to be your friend. Well, it's one of the main things that I love about doing this show is to be able to expose people to really exciting, and in this case, I think very important ideas. And let's organize a debate with some of the leading archaeological critics.

2:52:05 research who secretly tell me that they've read my books. Secretly? Yeah. But they have to keep All right. So we'll have you back on. Let's do it.