Joe Rogan Experience #1904 — Neil deGrasse Tyson Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Good to see you. Fascinating. we were ecstatic. That's what set the size of that telescope. And the value of the Hubble was that you could update it with servicing missions, and it was serviced many times. every year I post a tweet at the end of the Stanley Cup. And I say, the Stanley Cup and the Hubble telescope had the same designer. Really?

3:25 They say alright, why don't we fold the telescope? Now, how are you going to fold the mirror? Oh, you turn the mirror into segments, Notice how it's made at Northrop Grumman. in our sense of achievement, in our sense of what operates on civilization opposite the sun from earth and it unfurls like petals of a flower is there an animation of how So that the mirror and the detector can be very, very cold.

6:46 So there's less that goes to the next layer. So then the next layer re-radiates it, how all those layers. violet. That's how you get that. And below the red is infrared, not visible to the human eye. kind of yellow-amber bulb. One piece of evidence that we're smarter than bugs. So just to bring that to a closure, and infrared also like the JWST, oh, my gosh.

10:25 And infrared penetrates those clouds and enables you to see it as though the cloud isn't even there. They'll be able to see everything. So, um, it's about so you want to think about collecting area and I forgot the exact number Well, our detectors are better. for measuring what it is we always needed it to do. Maybe a robotic fix. Yeah. But it doesn's the brakes when you're in space. Yeah. Yeah.

12:58 And do they, I mean, they obviously know, like, where some of the asteroid belts are Can't you get a star named after you online? They're fascinating traditions. So planets are named after Roman gods and planet moons legends and this sort of thing. So there they are in its influence on Western culture. So yeah, Yeah, easily. or however far away it is for how long now?

15:51 We expect that. have gone there before. And we're going to say, a planet orbiting another star. And so I gave my best professorial reply. And so if you'd watch It has to work in their medium. I read an article. It's saying as more data and new information comes in, where Galileo sort of starts codifying When that happens, change. So the cleanest example of this, and I'll get back to your question, is Newton's laws of motion and gravity.

21:41 Let's check it. Data's correct. Oh my gosh, what's happening? Einstein comes along going on in the universe that's the product they become Newton's laws. You go into the center of a black hole, you get black holes from Einstein. And another limit is the very birth of the universe itself. this you get a multiverse we didn't pull that out of our ass. That came out of the equations.

25:28 And in an infinite number of different ways. That's my long answer to your very clean question. You thought everything was just fine. because when you concentrate that much energy in a small spot that's the only thing you can do And so if you move around among these hills and valleys, you end up birthing universes out the other side. Chickens get no respect.

29:05 You make a plush toy out of it. in a Disney XD cartoon called Gravity Falls. It's a farmhouse and there's a pig that lives Yeah, slightly different laws of physics are a fascinating prospect. Would you do that? These are all creatures on God's green earth, right? You don't want to snap the neck of the mouse. into the wild. And I was visiting the ashram and talking to the woman who runs it.

33:19 Aerial assault. And by the way, the home where you're saving the mouse, I did a rough calculation. It's probably made from And some trees live a thousand years. If you cloak a tree, does it not suffocate? It has a circulation. it's a fungal fungal network uh underfoot in a forest where it connects multiple kingdoms of life ultimately has one taproot, okay? And as it splits, it speciates and you get all these things.

37:33 What that means is we and mushrooms are more alike than either we or mushrooms are to green plants. Yeah, meaty. Oh, yeah. Can I tell you why? Oh, is it in the page, out of the page? invent the James Webb Space Telescope, tell me about it. But it was in their head. and you only exist as consciousness. When people have these near-death experiences, okay?

41:30 Okay. Yeah, if you get above it. knowing that piece of paper was there That seems like a pretty ridiculous experiment to try to achieve. But who the fuck is going to do that? Yes. What you want to do, you'd have to be really organized about that. How often does that happen where people have above their body experiences? and then that usefulness to you actually manifests itself in something that gets created because of

44:53 And Carl Sagan was a big pothead. That is certainly the case for any drug, right? and they're writing and that's their creative moment. I did it without wine. Being enhanced rather by under the influence of drugs and chemicals is Stephen King Darker, deeper, stranger, more bizarre, more shocking. in the day. You're saying the day read it today So is this something you would recommend for creative people?

47:46 That experiment's not enough. I do the George Carlin method. I'd like to know how reliable that is. Well, here's the other point that I should say. But the point is, it's like they're tools. They need to be managed responsibly Then come to daddy. I'll come to papa. I will consider this. Then come to daddy. Well, I don't know like really breakthrough psychedelic moments like

50:34 We don't know why. consequence of it? I think you would have to do it. you and your sunlight. I've never done heroin. in what happens to the mind when it's under the influence of different substances. That's terrible. The fact that Innocence Project even has to exist in this world is itself a travesty. Okay. Oh you believe this because this is a memory of the way you've described a memory black mirror

54:00 This is like in the court of science, they said there was a woman who was robbed on the street We read the particulars of the case. I'm almost there. And said, do you have any what does anyone have any think they would not be able to convict based on the kind of information and evidence that's been presented? on the level where you end up putting someone

56:14 your honor, that's not what he said. But I resisted, but I was nonetheless on the street 20 minutes later. I'm just saying, it's clear that the Right. And you'd otherwise go to heaven. So, in one of the voyages, they went on some stretch of time and they didn't have food. Oh, Christ. in his testimony That would be nice, but that's really hard to find. And then on top of that,

59:16 Yeah, it's a it's a it's a challenge But doesn't that happen during tsunamis? Okay? and animals that do live closer to the shore, This is my whole point. Sure. It is completely foreign to us. Okay. No. And there are a lot of people in it who you don't know. It's just very unusual when you meet someone in another country that you that's precisely my point

1:03:32 you didn't know anybody. previous rolls and seven hasn't appeared in 20 rolls or whatever the number is they put. This is crazy. in your favor a little bit and be systematic about it. But I'm talking about pure probabilities. of not there. And if it's there, it's an elective. Okay. So as a scientist, especially as a physical It depends on the situation.

1:06:32 in the headline. Really? Well, I'm the same way. Not. No, no, no. To stir chemicals into your brain to disrupt the little bit of objective reality that you're experiencing. Release your inhibitions. you know so i feel stupid oh and another thing with the uh state lotteries this is all in the in the in the uh risk and reward chapter state lotteries do you know what most of the revenue

1:08:13 Okay. I love a good conspiracy. So they allocate money to education with a specific mandate that you can't- Okay. Okay. Look at how many but the basis was If you're shooting 50% in a game or 40% and you take, I don't know how many shots, you take 30 shots, you do you discount the idea no, so people have good days, right? 60% of the shots instead of 40% of the shots.

1:12:07 And I want to I want to recognize that i'm going to hand you the ball if you're having a good day years after calculus was invented. After calculus, which is not even taught not long ago. Okay, really? Correct And so, and it takes many years to undo that wiring, South. Point is, our reactions to statistics are very different depending on what caused it.

1:14:31 Get a truck with a big-ass bumper. Yes, exactly. Or do you find something? That's what I'm talking about. No, not a 250. When you see them for the first time, you're like, how is that real? Yes. And the study was if you have 100 deaths a year, we can drop that to maybe 30 deaths a study. And the study was, if you have 100 deaths a year, Okay. So look at these numbers.

1:17:28 Or whatever was native in the region long ago. The correct numbers are in the book. so I haven't heard much about it since. that the deer can hear and they avoid it, Because it's not natural. Okay. They're very—they figured this out. Yeah, but deer rats figured out how to coexist with humans. Rats are very intelligent. They figured this out. I do. And they just run out into traffic.

1:20:24 Okay. No, she drives a 350. in the chapter oh you do yeah okay so do you know about Santa's reindeer? Do you know about them? Sure. I know very much about them. Oh, you do? Yeah. And when you do, then both the boys and the girls have antlers. So, They don't lose. But a lot of them keep it until almost spring. No. Well, do you know where the myth of Santa's reindeer flying comes from?

1:23:07 They love the Amanita Muscaria mushroom to the fact that, to the point where when people are doing mushroom ceremonies and they go outside to urinate. Well, caribou are not that wise, nor are they educated, nor do they even understand the They catch your wind. Do they smell better than we do? Yeah, but they want to smell everything. Okay. By the way,

1:25:12 and there's a tipped in here called Okay. That's total grizzly bear. In another example, See it is? It really is. The magpie, by those in the know, is ranked among the smartest of birds. Okay. And what did they say about our brains? Just tell me in your- Then we're the highest okay, is that accurate with dolphins? Yes, so our because they're they're bigger much bigger creatures than we are

1:28:20 That boosts them, but they're still not as high as us. like crows, owls, eagles, these folks, okay? like within the last hundred years? Right. One of my favorite cartoons was two dolphins Close up of an ant. Yeah, that's that recently released this image. I think yeah No, you are an anaerobic vessel of fecal matter in which they thrive. And you get a much more honest account

1:32:26 Not when you get down to single cells. you probably had a few astronauts here as your guests. It's fairly regular. How far away would you say? What's his name? Felix Baumgartner? You'll see a circle. and bend them convex But what happens if you take that horizontal line the horizon and put it below the mid plane of the camera it then? Right? Let me see

1:36:28 and a compulsion to do something about it. Yeah, I've spoken with him about it. Okay, I'll tell you. By normal things you encounter just being a human on earth. And that led him to wonder whether this was we had previously tapped. And that opens up the gates to all these other things. that and I say, you trained me from elementary school to know who my enemies are and who my friends are by color coding contiguous land masses

1:39:59 Okay. There are two places. is of course, North and South Korea, right there. So space can reveal economic inequities in at least those two places, which is itself kind of a stunning fact. and have them send them to the moon, It was amazing. I went specifically there because I had an experience there about, I was six, 17 years ago. I went there and I caught it on a

1:42:45 What nights for how many hours and then they send you back the data? And there are moments that mountains are high up enough So it's you, the tops of clouds, and the universe only that there's something magically beautiful a 30 meter telescope we don't have a relationship with the night sky. That's funny. Wait, who laid out these stars? In my old pool in California,

1:46:10 All right. Because so much of the culture relates to that night sky as part of what it values and what it passes down from one generation to the next. Not moving hardware. What's the number? That's my people's word. Constellations, they're actual stars. Right. Not moving hardware. he's on the spectrum a bit. Oh, sure. So it would be very hard to draw that conclusion as some kind of modern force of evolution.

1:49:26 I go over the variations that exist within our species. Is that the future? So for example, So he said, you should give it up, take on, No, this guy is four feet five. Swanson, Hots goes. Wow. Okay? Swanson. do in life constraining the options that maybe they have ambitions that are greater than anything I mean, is there time for me to read something?

1:52:36 H-A-J-G. Here it is. That passenger was Helen Keller, a 1904 graduate of Radcliffe College. professional baseball player, a dream shared by many American boys. Jim wanted to be a pitcher No. out of 220,000 What I'm saying is, obviously not everyone who has a disability will achieve this way. probably the most famous autistic person there ever was. My jiu-jitsu instructor. Yes, John John Machado. Yes was born with on his left hand

1:57:31 And he developed a style of jiu-jitsu where he utilizes that left hand to get under chins because it's not encumbered by the mass of the fingers. Got one here. And he's shy because if he's interested in a how does that we a love interest, if he has a love interest, His entire professional interest in the human mind was inspired by the very disorders in his own brain.

1:59:57 Wow. Proxbogagnosia? Would be in anything. Yeah, there it is. Yeah, yeah. Face blindness. access If not, get him on, okay? Interesting. That's interesting. Who can outshoot most people who have ever wielded a bow and arrow. He shoots his arrows and fixes his cars using his uncommonly nimble legs, feet, and toes. and solve a problem like it was the most important thing we would ever do in our lives.

2:04:38 1987 where the American Psychiatric Association, with some names such as that, And so what does that even mean when you have things like CRISPR and you have what could be legitimate genetic I mean, not sanctioned. You know, and often the scientific advance has very important plus sides to it. Why? and newts can do it. You don't have to wait for someone to die.

2:08:24 You sign your card when you get your driver's license so that when you die in a car accident Jamie and I have the latest beta of Tesla self-driving is the best I would say You put it on the- So I put it at 50 miles an hour. The traffic slows to 30, it slows to 30 with a prescribed car distance in front of me. down, it's way harder on its brakes than I am. Yes. I'm way smoother driver than my cruise control.

2:10:38 these experiences of all drivers in these situations. Yeah, AI is going to kill some There it is. Oh, yeah. From MIT originally No, hang on. One of the greatest pains to human nature is the pain of a new idea. There's a lot more pains. Now we're in the common man thing. And it's why our brain is not statistically prepared. It's sort of like introducing mountain lions into areas to kill deer.

2:14:48 And there's the audio of the pilots talking to each other and to the thing One of their Galaxy Notes. Went a little crazy. And somewhere I read that America How long we've been talking here, dude? I love you, man. You started to have a little flashback. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That urge is so great. That affects us. We can't. Fine. You know what I do? I see what you do to make yourself look like a boy. You go to the gym.

2:18:55 on top of the chromosomes. Your breasts are not large enough, get them enlarged. No one's really trying to do that, are they? So that takes an entire category of people's worries and concerns off the table. is allowed, it's not whether or not it's going to be allowed, it's going to happen. Where do you think this leads us if this is allowed it's not good whether or

2:21:08 1970 Afro. But what if there comes a point in time where that's not the actor who plays thor still had to go to the gym right with things like biostatin inhibitors you're aware of those start doing that to their children, we're talking 100 years from now, 1,000 years from now. will literally have a vagina literally have breasts ovulate i don't know how that would

2:23:44 a few decades. And they say, you will. Tablets did come. No one has ever in the history of the universe wanted to do that. Right. Yeah, 2015. Except this is the residents of the future. He this via fax to his residents. Except this is the residence of the future. That's the future. Okay, so algae, you know, as it grows So what's the answer? Yes. And carp eat all the algae.

2:27:14 Yeah. Well, when I was on the Big Island, I found out about mongooses. Cute little fella. Okay, the mongooses found in Hawaii are native to India. Yeah. But they do really well there. Okay. akin to horse riding stables of today. Very nostalgic. The human space program will fully question. We will resist the urge I don't have to surgically implant it.

2:30:35 That remains to be seen. He has a new book where it's the singularity is nearer. of the tech infrastructures that serve our daily lives. I think we'll put intelligence I would love to hear you talk to Elon about this I think it'll just be more stuff that'll help us out. It'll escalate. Worried about that. Yeah. to sort of extrapolate and look at the future

2:33:42 read the printed email yeah but a lot of people resisted this idea of cell phones, but now they're everywhere. It already has. Okay. Well, the real concern is that it's really going to separate the haves from the have-nots. I remember in heavy like 20 grand. Yeah, yeah And they called it a race and they called it the Negroes. in the African continent. Where would you find the of that in the African continent.

2:36:58 They have the same skin color. Okay? And you're going to write things like this. In reason, much inferior, as I think one could scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid. So he's saying the black slaves don't know Euclid, can't figure out Euclid. and objections to black people, comparing black people and white people, a book that was used into the 1960s.

2:40:36 What would they write? All of us. It just doesn't – it's a thing. Then I got to go. Starry Messenger. Elon said that? than that of his chess coach, just a few years after learning how to play the game. Yeah, he wiped the floor with me. What depths of intellectual capital in math, science, and engineering or any field lay hidden deep within the African continent or anywhere else on earth?

2:45:00 What would they say? And so you can enslave black people and Their body hair can even reach upward and out of their shirt collar. but the size of black people's ears can be as little as half the size of white people's ears. between 1% and 3% Neanderthal. each other's hair. We've all watched them do this. Apparently the lice they find must be tasty because whoever plucks them from the other

2:48:38 different. But they didn't go there. Their bias prevented their analysis of information that stares flat into their face. This is one more from the Chimp Vault. This would be a racist black person, okay, from the 19th century, publishing, trying to find ways to enslave white people. And that it's our strength. Last one. the twin chariots of cosmic discovery,

2:51:47 We won the lottery only once. Okay. Thank you.