Joe Rogan Experience #1905 — Derek, More Plates More Dates Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Boy, when I saw that video that you posted, you actually sent me the video after I'd already seen it. I mean, it seems completely makes sense, but that's exactly what I expected. There's a guy, if you don't know who the liver king is, And I don't know. I'm natural. Yeah, yeah. He actually did blood work like immediately after I had talked about it one time

3:00 That's all feasible and possible. I don't know if you guys are able to watch the- I want to show some and all that stuff really does ignite your core and if he's doing that all the time i'd imagine If you look at his arms, you look at his chest, you look at everything. I don't think he has like this like I get that his I don't think it's implants, though.

5:58 I don't know Livercake confession. That's happened before. I think Mark likes to think that a lot of people, like, again, he doesn't want to put a, is it working? Hyper responders. Ronnie Coleman Natural was super jacked, but he couldn't compete with the most jacked guys and then he started Is it the cable or is it how it connects? Because I lied and I misread. Yeah, it's quiet. I don't know if something's wrong. That's all right let's play we can hear what he's saying Because I fucked up. Because I'm embarrassed and ashamed.

9:03 And I never expected this kind of exposure in anxiety, infertility, too favorable on that it led you to the point of doing something to yourself that you're thinking about committing suicide. I don't know if you saw the emails, but it's like within one year, Half of it's Chinese bots. Not going to touch the stuff. the bulk of minority, usually in the fitness category, driving to an unproductive conversation.

12:42 You know what the problem is? if I lie, Yeah, it's pretty elaborate. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. It's not a on now. He contacted Yeah, for what? Yeah. it's not the healthiest. And it's just like, I guess it kind of just spit in the face of his message too much that Yeah. and they have a secret yeah this is the And he's gonna explain to you and give you a magic staff

16:58 for you yeah liver is a fantastic food to eat one of the very best foods yeah I've been eating an It's rich in nutrients. Yeah, like I feel like he puts out like pretty goddamn informative content that still represents his, even if he has a polar extreme, like potentially narrow view of like what the optimal diet is. he looks excellent and it's totally achievable.

18:40 Have you seen his video about separating thighs? I don't know if he's accurate. He's open to the idea that there's some minor benefit, potentially, to having the hormetic stress of a vegetable in some circumstance, but at least it's centered around, like, what he believes to be truthful. the Leverking situation. I posted The most common question that I'm getting asked now is didn't you know Paul about the steroid use?

21:33 When he began getting traction on social media, I get it. Yeah. And I think that's like a totally fair way to market it as well. and lied to somebody on camera was to the face of Paul. So that's probably why he feels Never going to do the shit. Yeah. I think ordinarily, if the guy was just a business partner, of course you wouldn't. I'd be like, come on, man, shut the fuck up.

24:45 Just as a friend, I would be like, I can't be friends with you now Should have known. But it seems like the kind of exercises that he does, he does a lot of bodyweight stuff Like, some people are doubtful that he's, you know, truthful in that context. Yeah. interview and he talks about how his number one priority is longevity now the rock yeah and i'm

27:05 let's look at a physique of The Rock, like a full jacked Rock. Eats a lot of sushi. No. So to have all of a sudden 30 years later like you're in better form than you were in your 20s, like, it's just fucking obvious, obviously. I feel way better than I did before I was doing it and I started doing it when I was like But you got to be honest. Shout out to Mickey Rourke.

29:41 Mickey's kind of wild, though, you know? before the podcast i'll talk about anything but do not ask me about drugs i just please don't People are going to get upset. And they're just uneducated. You know what's wild he's probably, Yeah, and that one, that's a good point. Right. Yeah. And that guy claims he had, I asked him point blank, he was like, I have no idea what they were doing.

34:01 juice up for a role to represent a superhero character it's more when they Yeah. he did it for The Wrestler when he talked about it. alive doesn't want to be built like that they all want to be built like that so if he's telling you That seems suspect. One time? But, like, it depends on the genetic predisposition because some guys get gyno just through puberty, too.

36:36 Yeah. Yeah. It's like you're pulling those little alien chest bursters out of your titty. It's a fucking egg. Oh, nothing in comparison. Yeah. Unless I had hair then. Yeah. I mean, but look at the difference there. Yeah. That's that hair then. So what kind of stuff Scorpion King I don't know It looks pretty good there. Yeah. Because the bigger of a human you are, the faster you're going to die in general.

40:00 Yeah, but in general, like even bodybuilders Yeah, he's never really gotten thin or fat or never You're going to have to increase your volume. You're going to have to increase your, you know, your rest, your sleep quality, duration, et cetera. For example, Winstrel, that's an underground product especially when someone's, like, 50 So it is that interesting moral dilemma.

43:42 if it wasn't for the steroids and his physique. support, but also like additional fullness, anabolism, et cetera. And then maybe like and they're going on, you know, these talk shows Isn't that crazy? Essentially. hrt which could be like a therapeutic yeah amount like i there was one interview it was like uh i He said something finicky to basically sort of deflect,

46:53 How old is he? It's also really bad for you to get fat like that. it was like, And that's just the characters. If he did, that was probably like makeup. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I think, I forget who it was, but, like, somebody had a list of – some steroid dealer that had, like, a list of customers and leaked it, and he was, like, on the list. I don't think you have to.

49:31 It's like really sometimes I feel like I don't even align with my own like channel name. Where did he go? It's kind of a funny story, though, that you started when you're in your early 20s and yeah you know you know now you're actually more mature and yeah i try to sometimes when i see It's the biggest channel on there. I think the negatives of changing it outweigh the positives.

51:12 You're just like what is this like douchey fucking bodybuilder channel, right? I don't think you need to change that. of what the plan was to do with that help. Yeah. Yeah, just insulting the intelligence of people who are yeah yeah but the or expresses some opinion does and they come down for him they come after him when he does I'm gonna be real careful because

55:12 out to his face or or what but it's like it was uh I'm having a hard time He was on a flight with his He's so big. Isn't Michael Hearn like 50? resources to get tested and he showed to facilitate like actual And he's been doing it for like half a year now and concurrently showing that So I'm not saying that everyone should go do that because that was like a hard thing to coordinate.

57:44 That's incredible. for sure. Excellent genetics, Or 51. Like when I look at Paul Sklar, Yeah. Right. Sometimes you'd be shocked that if you walk into a public gym, like who's actually on gear and who's not. Sometimes the guys who are natural look better than the guys on gear. Yeah. Oh tons of guys. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes you'd be shocked that if you walk into a public gym like who's actually on gear

59:31 Look at that. It's insulting. Yeah. And, like, very much implying some obscure name, and extract very, very frowned upon. is you've highlighted the horrific negative effects Yeah. or potentially avoid it altogether to some extent. You can see all the scarring. Yeah. There's a few if you just typed Doesn't it? Yeah, that guy got desolated. like it depends on the quality of your product and is why pharmaceutical grade is

1:03:56 He's off everything now. And now is that, does he show any photos of his back now? That whole bodybuilding world is so strange because it literally is impossible to compete without steroids. Yeah. brothers at 19 years old they're fucking they look completely natural yeah and they're assassinating to your body simultaneously. people that don't know when you see a bodybuilder on stage and they're fully shredded and ripped

1:06:58 Your body is like, what are you doing to me? anywhere. So it was like painful for him like that everything is just like on he decided to enter into a bodybuilding competition and he got got, like, really low body fat Oftentimes the wild thing is it's not like a sport that is highly monetizable anyways. just this fucking Brontosaurus physique. What are you saying?

1:09:45 body dysmorphia just like most bodybuilders wanted to juice it up even though it's like because I think, Like, I think he very much enjoys, like, progressing from your youth or you feel your physique is inadequate, whatever it is. And then you compensate and you're like, there's possibilities of getting prions involved. And this was where mad cow Oh, shit.

1:12:39 Heart and kidney and particularly liver, It's just unfortunate the way he went about doing it. All he eats is organic fruits and meat and organ meat. And And he really does. And does he recommend supplementation with magnesium to compensate for even if it's nose to tail, if you're trying to lose weight or something and you're in like a What is a natural source of magnesium?

1:15:59 So it's like if I need to backfill that with a supplement, like I feel it justified. Okay. um, but I know that a lot of people get a benefit from low enough to actually absorb transdermally. From a company that sells a topical magnesium product. What does that mean? I would think. Yeah. I was trying to find out why they were saying it. What kind of biohacks do you do nowadays besides the...

1:19:38 you actually have less of a benefit from lifting weights So it's like static And then at 185 degrees and then go right into 34 degrees right after that and do three minutes into the cold plunge. I go, here we go. Oh, yeah. It wrecks them psychologically. I don't fucking read a goddamn thing. There's no option to look at that. You have to understand like who's right.

1:24:03 Like, whatever. Yeah. If you don't, you're fucked. they will derail any progress you're trying to make, people are they just sabotage their lives yeah and if you're around that person they're always very important to have good friends and it's very it's also very important to like say i come from You never tried to pretend they weren't good So I needed someone who was like really good at something that could show me how to do it.

1:27:54 Look how he holds a pause. I'm like, and we're both playing Tom, the fucking security guy on a sitcom, Come on, baby. And then you tell people about their podcast, and their podcast is good. And no, no, no executives. No, no. It's an organic network of people who are just friends who support each other. No, no, definitely not. That was only for money. I can only did it for money like podcasts are fun like stand-up comedy is fun

1:30:56 It's pretty fucking amazing. But some of the most like hyper successful individuals like yourself, it's being like hyper talented. Like either one of those scenarios is possible. him out of the college that's fucking wild when was that recent very recent yeah and he's like like i wouldn't i wouldn't want that i can't imagine. I couldn't imagine growing up with that kind of connection to people.

1:34:06 places and you get over it and you move on you just go oh that one sucked you know that one i That was a long time ago. They had failures in high school. and they were talking shit Years later So many mistakes are made see the wild thing is how even at your level of success you trying to wrap your head around available. And also, it's addictive. They're so mean.

1:37:17 common to uh people that live in like the northeast in boston i wonder if like kids growing up today are it's like a Yeah, some of these, like, I've been more, as I become more successful, I've been exposed to more successful people, those who are self-made, but also those who aren't and have been like trust fund babies or whatever. It's never been imposed on their lives at all.

1:39:02 and then eventually becoming rich versus growing up super wealthy and then being given money and working hard to sustain that money. again, even if your baseline is like some absurdly good achievement as is. Yeah. I remember all my terrible jobs. That's all I did lumber all day long. That's all I did. is lumber that's been soaked in I was competing.

1:42:18 You never complained back then. And that grind of wanting something, it's like it fuels you in a way that nothing else is capable of fueling you. Some people definitely get soft. Like he separated from his family. His leg snapped in half. See if that's the case because Conor actually brought it up when someone was asking him about USADA. And fuck you if you don't agree with my decision sort of thing.

1:45:08 I wonder how it's doing being confident enough in the shin to test it, like getting kicked. and you're just kind of tapping each other. I'm coming back, baby. So the way they mitigated that Yeah. But, like, see how the wedge is missing? Yeah. But, like, the first steps that he made, I mean, the first time he ever ran, look at how fat he was at one point in time.

1:48:38 Yeah. His life was rough. to this thing where you have to push it to the end and then you see his body is falling apart Is that the healthy thing to do? Like you see it coming, and you just can't step over the leg. I don't know if that's good or bad. opposite to your approach yeah but he's he lives a different life like it's it's a very performance

1:51:43 And he continues to grow through that suffering i texted him i said dude i'm ready to run through a fucking wall reading this book he's he is like Like, as far as I know, he's not on TRT or done anything to. I mean, I believe he's 45 now. You know, the volume, the sheer volume of pounding Jesus. let me send you these pictures that he sent me because they're so crazy and one

1:54:55 Go ahead. The weird thing is that there's a loophole in USADA that allows you to get out of the testing pool. He was like, I didn't even know you could fucking do that. Like there's certain stuff that's going to stay in his system for a long time he could never use but like on the bioidentical side like anything that is pro Like anything of that nature I'm sure is not even on his radar.

1:56:59 Wow. But, yeah, like I imagine his main priority is injury-proofing himself and still made the walk. Yeah. and i don't know like how if anyone else has vetted this strategy and like somehow they were But, yeah, and there's other compounds, injury was, but it was not as severe, which is why it was so unstable that he thought it was cracked. If it gets corrected.

2:00:26 And I was like walking around. I was like, this fucking fucking hurts like in a weird way i better get an mri and then i got it checked out and the And so it is a leg break. I guess he didn't. I felt like he thought it was broken, Yeah. Yeah, so he had to get his ankle repaired. Yeah. The inactivity is probably one of the bigger factors in his demise.

2:03:16 Because he, you know, there's a lot going on in a fight, they might just fucking crack under the pressure. Uh, Yeah. But, um, even outside of myself, like highly respected individuals like for us, the hobby also believes he's on gear or has done certain things. Some people might say otherwise. sport like he was coming from I forgot where he came from exactly well he was not new in

2:06:34 It was like a wild disparity. You couldn't say one way or another what actually is going on. subject to in order to be qualified to fight again and that's it we're not going to speak on any And then you were talking about the test levels Yeah. Interesting. He's trying to come back naturally. So that to me is very interesting. He is absolutely one of the greatest fighters of all time.

2:10:40 and really dominated in their first fight the The question is, has Francis gotten better at grappling? leg has gotten a lot better but has it got to john jones levels that's the big question because john So how does he deal with that? But it's a long time. How old is he? But when it gets to championship which is crazy. The thing about I mean, Francis is a monster.

2:13:50 That's what Francis has. Or like the Pereira. Yeah, there are certain drugs you can use that I believe aren't banned then they found out that after the workers were like creating the bombs they were overheating Like, if you put in, like, their drug database, 2,4-dinitrophenol, I don't think they test drop water weight potentially more aggressively,

2:16:08 Yeah, that is. Yeah. you know succumb to cravings and whatnot and not every individual has the same like individuals would typically overeat otherwise, and they start using this drug. And all of a sudden, So trying to like fight back against that with pharmacology would absolutely be useful. This is something that is just being learned about. Like some people.

2:20:00 What? Wow. Yeah, I think it's crazy. Let's see. a little fasting and weggewie yeah so weggewie is like the like there are different increments if that really does have all those little gastrointestinal issues and – Yeah, the net ROI might be negative for some of them. You can't get it. individuals I think are imposing a situation on themselves where their brain is so sugar addicted

2:23:10 who are getting shit sleep doing whatever. fine. I'm done eating. Isn't that weird Yeah. And even like nuts. Yeah, it was wild as there was this university in Canada that removed all of the nutritional information apparently from the foods that the students are getting on their meal Yeah. Like if I ate until I was felt good i would be a fat fuck there

2:26:14 Like, you should know what you're eating. And what they're doing, they're raising the anti-David Gogginses. I don't want to give them promotion, but that's where I came from. Okay, it doesn't matter. Yeah. And you're fat. Yeah, and the Earn indulgence. They're not going to self-correct. he showed that even him, who's the most And you're also you are so educated on so many different subjects when it comes to supplementation and training modalities and all these different things.

2:29:51 Very, very hard to come by. Oh, this guy's interesting. Oh, look this is let's how look how much information this Yeah. Yeah, that's all my requirement. Let me see there's something there. I had that guy from White Oak Pastures, Will Harris. I mean, is there a commercial value in that to speak to those people? I don't fucking care in doing so, you learn about yourself.

2:33:08 I'm your only way out of this. But I enjoy it. You you know it's just real who gets to sit down of the neural link thing here and ask him about that stuff and like I don't know how much you worry about where it's going in terms of. sexually anymore. consequences to overcoming difficulties and success yeah yeah there's a lot of like weird Yeah. with some like crazy longevity thing you could just live forever would you want to like maintain

2:36:35 Like I don't even know how to frame the question, but it's like a very odd scenario where people pretty much it like is that life in 100 years like i don't even it's a real problem i mean the Billions. Or what was the utility of it And then the cameras are all around. This is how they marketed it. That's the big one to me, but they just don't know enough.

2:40:04 Yeah. And when they punch you, you see a flash of light, like you got hit. the ring. You see the floor. You see the sky. People in the audience are cheering. And then they're going to be more and more compelling. Yes. like a neuraluralink. an opportunity to just like press a button and then it hits them with dopamine and they a haptic feedback suit or some sort of a neural implant that can hijack all of your sensitivity

2:44:00 that we are currently in a simulation oh yeah and yeah. And when I said to him, I said, well, with probability theory, And do you foresee that as a overly negative thing? and all these decades later to read what they thought about what was happening to people because of television. It's sketchy. Unfortunately. More plates, more dates. So thanks. Thank you, everybody.