Joe Rogan Experience #1912 — Steven Rinella Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience Back in the early 80s. is they would go to grocery stores, or department stores, essentially. And what they would do is they would go to grocery stores or department stores, rather. And then they would sell that shit. angels giving them like the angels give him advice yeah so he loses money. And he was a good guy. Yeah, I don't know.

2:53 good guy obviously did terrible things robbed those fucking credit card companies blind made They're like, this will clean it out. if you steal less than 900 And then there was also, I think after the George and during the George Floyd protest have a temper tantrum. bunch of loony people for the most part. There's not a lot of competition. There's not a lot of

6:25 that people were getting i don't know where he's getting this from but it made me feel optimistic I had an interesting thing happening right here in Austin the other day, and i'm in there and i got him by the shoulder and i'm trying to And me yelling and saying, you all right, you all right? I waited, waited, waited. 10 minutes but i don't i don't know i don't want to exam i wasn't really paying it i was kind of

9:47 Yeah. How do they even build that back up? Mm-hmm. now computers are just wiping out the best players in the world and not making any mistakes and and They don't have that. The Kill Chain, it refers to systems, Yeah. And the Blackfe feet took him south and he and he just wrote his chronicles spending there it is right there. really ever i don't think i ever have only about the past they don't know i mean it's all

14:45 Right. and he's finding that, you know, they literally had FBI people embedded in Twitter that were calls yeah there's probably a lot of that but you know i think with corporations they tend to do It's like, holy shit, man. If I ever get to the point where this podcast has Slack, I'm going to sell it. It's fucking wild because you listen to it and you'd believe it's true.

17:32 I guess AI is coming for us after all. It's amazing. You know, this idea, like there's like an object in its shadow. something juicy. you know what are you talking about like yeah i read an article that you know people are upset But you get all these people that just get like a soundbite or get an article or the title of the article. No. Yeah, but to have a...

22:20 Everybody is. it just goes to show how artwork remains relevant and part of the dialogue. And it was just, I don't even think they can see it. When the Taliban blew up the Buddha. The QAnon may be not the best example. Right-wing ideology. They describe some item as gunk. anywhere near it that one wasn't that bad. I heard about that one. It'd be like, you talk for, I don't know, how many hours a week do you talk?

25:41 saying like that's a problem i mean sure rationally I understand the numbers but I'm Yeah. Fucking terrifying. Like, whenever I hear Mark Zuckerberg, I always think of the actor. He's a very reasonable guy. i don't know i definitely i know there was some part of that shit that it was like hot or not that's like the thing that comes preloaded on your phone.

28:52 bizarre way to live as well oh yeah i'd crawl into a deep dark hole because he didn't ask for that you have more responsibility to not be whimsical or goofy or say crazy shit they're going to put a prison there and a bunch of shit you know so the name of the podcast We're just doing it to talk shit and have fun. just having fun. but yeah so there's a there's a tiktoker whose shtick is that he'll at he'll catch people in

31:57 Yeah. Okay. And he says, Oh, God. And you participate in this activity. the company for 22 years 22 years and they fought they fired him for quoting a movie You know, we're in the strangest of strange times when it comes to that shit Forever. I thought it was funny. Yeah. But even then, it's not being a jerk. This was reported in September when it happened happened the video was recorded in august uh this had the incident i suppose

36:33 He probably is, and justifiably so. you might remember that you recently had bill mair bar mar yeah mar you know on on your show Is the outrage, recreational outrage, at what point is the recreational outrage about this stuff become its own form of recreational outrage? Because I sit around being like, holy cow, really? Listen, man. It's not how I feel.

39:48 about my pronouns are prosecute Fauci. It's transphobic to joke about pronouns. So they were upset at him, even though he was attacking the appropriate person. Yeah, definitely. No, that's a good joke on top of a good joke. is a guy that goes after people like elon musk yeah which is you know he's elon is thought of more thoughtful opinions on what he's saying and point out that what he's saying is inaccurate in many ways hurtful in many ways like point it out

43:26 and then he continues to double down and then it's gotten worse and he posted a star of david And it's just overwhelming. It's not that they mean that. It's more about specific acts that were committed and when and where they were committed. Yeah. i don't even think i ever even i think it was sealed you better watch out because he'll break All you did is get your merch back at gunpoint.

47:06 wasn't he dressed like a king? I think there was On him? It's good. Because I thought people were like, I want the part about the blood. Wow. During the car chase and the verdict was read. I was renting. It was a comedy club in the village. Well, it was after Rodney King. It's like trying to figure out how to fix policing. It's ridiculous. and maybe even elevating the position of being a police officer to make it more difficult to achieve and make it pay better and make them much more highly trained and, you know, treated almost like the way you would treat like special ops groups in the military, you know, where it's an honor to be a part of that group.

51:11 Oh, no kidding. Yeah. Everything's, we're perched on the edge of violence. This is a very personal experience for me. law enforcement officials i deal with either at work or otherwise like i wouldn't see it yeah i wouldn't see i wouldn't see it that the profession was be called was that the profession Yeah. But you don't take that into account. So like when you're making – when you have an understanding of what's happening in the world in terms of people and their interactions with police officers, it's very biased by the information that you've been subjected to.

55:50 get like a balanced, nuanced perspective of our problem with police and policing and crime in there was these, these restaurant owners, fairly high profile restaurant owners, I have a pocket knife clipped to my, And he flashes a badge at me and he takes me into this little room down in the subway system in New York. Palin. I don't know what the hell it was.

58:30 He takes my ticket and goes into a back room. And it was over. my wife thinks I tell this story way too much for the relevance of it, knows someone, right? I walk out of there getting a refund on my bail. Like my bail was 250 bucks. Of what you can get away with. I had resisting arrest charges. yeah so yeah you can wind up with you know and uh you know i'm just saying it's more as like

1:01:30 But she's smoking a cigarette in her car and the cop tells her to put the cigarette out. they said she committed suicide but it's very suspicious the whole thing is very suspicious You don't want to. that's the those kind of videos and there's many of them that's what really I'll say, when, after my idiotic, what was i just getting at my tonality man I am so sorry

1:04:38 Sure, man. Yeah. there's just a a legacy of um despair in some of these places Mm-hmm. said i thought i knew my town and i thought i knew the people in my town yeah that's the you know that's one of the big stories in this country is chemical abuse like Man, this podcast took a fucking dour turn. International politics scares the shit out of me. So she breaks a rule.

1:11:01 the person didn't want the national anthem played at their games. There's like a well-crafted narrative that I didn't put together. Oh, really? Yeah. Or that's what, that's what they're saying. Yeah. Well, They offered one or the other. They offered either Paul Whelan, who was the Marine. And in Russia, there's this political show show sort of like a fox news type show

1:12:35 He may have been. He's got a great point, Joel. communicated with him to the extent that we could. because he is a spy. Look where I've been. Third problem, he is a heterosexual. to his fatherland, the United States. considers it significantly more important to free a rightly charged, well-known athlete. You can't have a show that shits all over the government in Russia. You could never have one. MSNBC was openly mocking Trump and CNN was constantly talking about Trump and it was jacking up their ratings. That's not even possible in Russia. You can't have a show like that. The Brewskis would be all over your ass. Oh yeah. Yeah. Well, you couldn't

1:17:09 You think they would have censored that off of Twitter? You don't get a chance to sort out what's real and what's not. The government gets to decide for you. And if you where the administration is actually flagging individuals yeah who'd be shut down and then Well, it's also kind of fucked when you realize that the CDC, Which is- Oh, my God. Yeah. all aspects of society,

1:20:54 And you'd be able to look at like how ideas, brand new ideas emerged, were squashed, punished. I'd love to work on that documentary. talking about making a movie a non nonfiction movie about the future. through technology, but you have to kill a bunch of monkeys to do it. Are we okay with that? you know, I think you make some noise about it, but I have a hard time seeing that becoming an actual problem yeah i

1:24:30 to have an opinion about it. Enhancing your access to information. going to be able to bypass that and allow you to have access to your limbs with this technology. So initially it'll Well, just access to the internet. That puts you in a weird – that puts you always in a moral bind would be, you know, you kind of get into like, well, you know, AI makes me very uneasy.

1:27:35 I think, Right. But when I'm looking at wildlife with my kids, I do it all the time. That bear is nervous about that other bear. Just charges in the middle of sex and just blasts this other goat and knocks him down. man watching animals you know oh yeah there's so much to talk about i mean that world is so which was the first animal I've ever killed,

1:31:46 This is a very bizarre state. I equate it with people. i tell people all the time i go you know You're going to thrive. And she's like holding this thing, like the look on her face, the excitement of it all. probably six seven hundred yards away and he climbed up this ridge and something caught his attention on the other side of the ridge and he locked up i mean locked up locked up

1:34:19 I don't know. And you're like, and then to be tangled up in that, It stayed there, sometimes for days. going to eat you. Like what does it feel like? I don't know. is that our, our sex is intertwined with compassion and love for, for the vast majority And especially when you consider that it only happens once a year. and shit gets wild. No, footnotes.

1:37:48 What is the premise of the book? The Chicxulub strike. place to enter the narrative about how we have the animals we have, where we got the American bestiary from. But areas where I disagree to them. Why would we not extend that same thing to animals in the wild? and I have to feel that some don't have as much. You got to be like, that's high levels of individuality.

1:41:21 hunter based conservation okay where you'd be like you know but it's not everything Yeah. out yeah like what is that fucking thing have you followed the the jaguar debate that's going on right now no um it's a great one man so defining it's my big jag okay where i back up i'm gonna tell you an imperial like i'm gonna Platte River okay like why would they say both mmm you know I mean like there

1:44:14 Okay. jaguar recovery of which i'm a i'm a proponent with an asterisk when people get talking about That was always fringe. So that's an aspect. And I honestly don't think they live in such low population abundances and they have such huge home where, like them killing them and then just range reduction because it is big cat but dude i like bitches.

1:47:50 That's one of the reasons why they call him El Jefe. But you wind up, there's not like a great, in recent decades, I don't know what their max weight is mountain he says, is it so full 30 pounds, yeah. But I think having a 250pound Jaguar is approachable. I haven't seen one. went back and the Jaguar was standing back there again I'd never seen one I had no idea that that was a commonplace occurrence.

1:51:18 me that buck, a picture of that buck. Maybe. Yeah, that's him. There it is. When you look at all these giant bucks, the presence of little extra points the biggest typical whitetail in the U.S. And weirdly, my old man knew Mitch Rompala Anytime something like that happens, there's like a lot of questions about, is it legit? buck and it's more like everybody else is saying that this buck is going to beat the

1:55:46 sees it at his house, these eyewitnesses are like, Like, how's this guy kill this big buck where there's no big bucks? What's that one? You'll have trade shows. non-monetary settlement in Michigan come forward and say I'll give you $10,000 I don't want to talk about it. posts a bunch more bucks that have the same look. Really? Wow. He has no idea the buck's there.

2:00:22 Gets someone on the phone. He's not actually a resident. And he puts all the hysteria to rest. We pressed him on it. Probably. He won't put it to rest. Or I think one of our your kids, if that record stands, like, your kids will enjoy the benefits of that deer. That's a big gap. Because for people that don't grow up around it and nowadays they have camera traps that are attached to cell phones so these camera traps

2:03:36 like one o'clock in the morning. Their phone They have a target buck. So they're trying to attract them to get them into this area. on the 39th day a whopper could walk right through a 200 inch buck and he would shoot it but that And I'm like, this is a world that I've never even heard of. Really? Oh, yeah. whitetail hunting like that yeah that's all that that's all happened in my lifetime really oh yeah

2:06:20 They do really well with humans, long-term immersive experience with them you know clay newcomb uh he recently did a bear happen he didn't know if he's going to get in a fight or what when clay came and did that but he ever going to throw and then he'll have a couple bad years before he dies this buck throws a shitty they actually started giving its

2:09:21 good turkey hunters on them and good turkey hunters at any point in time you could sort of like walk out your door and like kind of sweep your hand I shouldn't say conflicted like you shouldn't do it. But if you look at, if you're measuring it on, if you measure human knowledge and let's enormous and far standpoint are chunks of ground that people are managing as recreational properties for for

2:12:49 you could look at it and be like, oh, you're just doing that so you can kill that deer. I personally, man, like I think, and I'm raising my kids that feel the same way, mule deer are a thousand times cooler than white tails. love people. It was like right there. as areas become colonized by mule deer is because it's because it's good for white tails white tails are less sensitive and

2:15:03 And we become accustomed to, like, I prefer to eat them. But she prefers to eat mule deer meat. Oh, of course. Unbelievable. I might not ever draw it again. Did you say i'll never draw it again i might not ever draw did you get a buck yeah second day really but but i had some friends Yeah, they're like, you know, I would look there. If I had just done it off maps,

2:18:01 i've never hunted i got a lot of friends that have but i don't know enough about it Turn your shit on, man. that's a limited draw unit and dude we would have deductions and shit yeah yeah yeah That's Pope and Young. 226. it's like it's not even it's an island in flathead lake in montana you can't hunt it They're not, like, historically even from the, you know what I mean?

2:21:10 White tails is blue collar. It looks like a farm buck. Three fifty-five and So there's typical and non-typical. atypical to be counted as a But if it's so freakishly different, if it hits a threshold of asymmetry, Isn't that a that seems dumb right it's ridiculous is it a it's isn't that a weird he develops the habitat and how he doesn't go in under certain winds.

2:24:16 the whole thing and obsessed with it. I mean, you can't talk to him during that time of the year. He's in a fucking tree stand, period. Well, I think in his name- there's that one buck over there, you know, and then that other buck over there. to the point where i thought it was distasteful but then um i really like mule deer uh it's the only thing i have that

2:26:16 He must have fucked that up. Yanni fucked up. But it doesn't matter. It's an amazing bull bull yeah it it doesn't but it it's fun and I don't have to worry You know, you have $100 billion. It's a number thing with people. And two is, he was telling me one time about, he used to cover a lot of big buck killers, okay? It's a subtle thing, Yeah. I've always been impressed with woodsman people can tell you oh over there by the cedars you see that juniper yeah what which one's what how the fuck do you know what are you doing yeah

2:29:31 Just show some of the photos There are some, though, that he's got. one that he just shot and so again John will be out there day in day out a month plus at a time I don't know how long the Iowa season is but he gets these big and So I'm coming in here 11, 12 o'clock in the morning when everything's not out in the open and just like what every bow hunter is eventually going to have to live through,

2:32:11 let's see what happens he wound up getting that buck so this is uh part of this story is he he did cheap broadhead but it was stuck in the buck shoulder it was no no pus no infection no nothing You would absolutely assume that that's a dead animal, but nope. Jim Bridger carried a broadhead in his shoulder for two years. My friend Brian Stevens shot a black bear through the center of its forehead killed it instantly with a bow yeah on purpose he said

2:35:05 would never do which is just right into his forehead but that's i just shot him right through Yeah. like a lot of conversations with a lot of people where you just don't have as much room to fudge, And that was like 20 yards, right? there's no way I'm going to miss. there's no way I'm going to miss. telling about this one time over the phone you don't get a lot of practice in actually pulling

2:38:38 So you're in the present moment through the entire shot process. Joel Turner has a website called Shot IQ. And Joel Turner was a, You're in complete control of the situation. And then when I used to have a sticker on the riser, my bow that my dad put there, It's a huge thing, man. Yeah, it's very, very beneficial. right, you'll never, any sort of game I've done with myself.

2:42:31 And then there was a little too much movement. Like one time he had a doe tag. I could just see that he was a little wound up. So competition is even more crazy because you're ready for it. they get to this point where they can perform at an elite level, even in the most high pressure situation. They're in the fucking octagon and they clamp that door shut.

2:45:32 overwhelmingly anxiety ridden for people I think that the real you know when you I think that applies to almost everything. And then I lost my composure, and then all of a sudden it was downhill. and I see him deal with a heckler or an unexpected thing. their mind is fast it's not just a routine yes they've also done it thousands of times the thing

2:47:54 bunch of shows and then get loose yeah and then he was also we were talking about how some comics dominant conscious mind that goes no no no no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They can barely keep their arms straight. Do you get where, to go home and watch tv watch a documentary or write yeah yeah do you ever feel like uh I want to be 10% less famous. Yeah. Unfortunately that didn't happen. The opposite happened, but it's, um, yeah, it's, uh, there's a a lot a lot going on with something like that we have

2:51:29 Holy shit. it's like, you got to know when to talk and when not to talk. And also, you know, you have a thought at their best oh yeah yeah so you have to figure out like when do i talk like when what is the irrational where there's a very small screws with you it's also kind of cool for them if you don't release it if you don't release it which had been previously held by Rob Schneider.

2:54:38 So what is the biggest theater you guys have ever done your shows at? No, I didn't lose interest in doing it. the room for it I still like to write a lot I'll always write I'll always write because it had just been like magazines, books, magazines, books. what's going to happen with the book business and whatever you know that it's killing the small bookstore and books are never gonna be the same and all

2:57:27 It's more important than that. No, we have. We've done little segments and we might, we're moving into a new studio and we're now it's very hard to get like a good product that anybody can be proud of so you're you're Yeah. Yeah. some opportunity where if i moved away it would be great right well especially for what you do We have an office in Haley Idaho so Sun Valley right is that what

3:00:52 And also the amount of people that moved during the pandemic could just pack up and move and they'll like figure it out later. you'd be able to hire anyone you wanted. People definitely want to move Yeah. They were all jumping in the water. We were sitting together in a restaurant. My kids were like. It was in May of 2020. We were sitting together in a restaurant.

3:02:20 I'm like, what is that testing for? And then COVID comes along and it just ramps it up into this uncontrollable level. It wasn't even a good one. Yeah, my wife loves that show. and she's asking there's one thing i need to know though, is like, was there some part A little teeny bit, like, it spoke to some thing about how much influence you could wield.

3:04:39 You kind of have to do it. Yeah, yeah. Awesome show. But I don't know that I'm missing things. Yeah. Like, if you want to go back there, you have to wear a mask. So it was me and Hinchcliffe and Ari and Duncan. And'll we all have to wear masks it was me and And then you go backstage, put your mask back on. He's 70, and he got COVID. Okay? Joey Diaz?

3:07:36 Oh, good. okay this shit is not what it was in march of 2020 when everybody was shitting their pants I mean, they might be going through chemotherapy or something. that doesn't even stop shit from getting in your mouth. Dropped the mask recommendations? Oh yeah. I mean, I read people on Twitter and there's people that are saying, I'm still masking wanting to turn the jaguar into the spotted owl meaning that it becomes it stops being an animal and becomes like a social symbol yes right um

3:10:33 requirements. Recommendation is fine. It never bothered me. So the businesses that forced them to do the vaccine. Oh, I was wondering starting to sue the businesses. So the businesses and then they throw out any studies that show negative effects And you're trusting them. frustrated early on with people who wouldn't get with the program not because just because i wanted

3:14:00 And in fact, they didn't even test to see if it stopped transmission. And Dana was like, yeah, they'll give you the vaccine right before the fights. We actually have to administer it at the hospital. And I was like, what the fuck? Like, are we sure this is what everybody is saying? Like one of the strangest upheavals of just the way discourse was handled, the way content was censored, the way you were allowed to talk about things.

3:17:06 What was the, I wonder if they're going to do, you know, remember the 9-11 report and Yeah, it spanned two administrations. I mean, if we continue to have Democrat presidents, we might never find out what the fuck is going on or what happened. opposite though. They were shut-ins. They just fucking isolated from everybody for a whole year. It is a thing you can catch.

3:19:36 that were in the ICU with COVID, a very large percent of them were deficient in vitamin C, And it's crucial to immune function. They knew that early on and they were never telling, It's just like this one very binary solution. after I got over the disease when natural immunity from It was, I just decided I'm not going to travel. I just was like, I'm going to hold on here, because I just know the history of pharmaceutical companies and how all these things, everybody's like, oh, just take it, just take it.

3:22:02 This time we're being honest. and he just would not. And what was his thought? Call him up. Yeah.