Joe Rogan Experience #1919 — Bret Weinstein Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience But my conscious mind is not allowed in on it, so I can do what I have to do. Did this come after Evergreen or before? Yeah, that's true. the new president of the college, George Bridges, showed up and impaneled a committee effectively to suggest mechanisms for restructuring the college. anybody whose background doesn't include some strong evidence of their being an activist.

4:17 give them a really high quality math education, by the time students come to college, many have provide them the opportunities that will allow them to flourish. Instead, they get dragged into a group based on something like skin color, and their exceptional capabilities aren't allowed to everybody up to their level. But that's impossible. This was like the very beginning of the public

6:57 It's earlier, but this is going to spill out into everything. different than anything I experienced when I was in my early 20s, like there's a shift in the But the Wi-Fi issue at the moment. Not sure. with my license on the line. I'm going to make all this public this week. If you're interested, Social media communication retraining. Social media communication retraining.

11:11 You have to do it, and then you're going to have to adhere, right? you and I both know that Jordan is not going to bow to this. There's nothing that they can say There's a question about where each of us are with respect to what you're calling escape velocity. Did I send it to you yet, Jamie? I'm literally having, like, I'm trying to talk to the IT guys now.

14:07 like if you talk about the Barrington, But one of them is this clear pattern where those of us who have achieved some kind of immunity to their control speak about these things. They never would have acknowledged it if they hadn't been forced to it. I believe he has some sort of an exclusive deal with his truth. Like, what does he have? So we will have no internet access during this podcast. There will be no fact-checking.

17:16 And I would imagine that's probably because he has, and this is, again, speculation, pure speculation, that he has some sort of exclusive deal. fighting to make Twitter into that single exception. And the structure that is controlling Anyway, I'm... You are essentially in a battle with a pathogen and the pathogen is primed to be able to were upset by the redefinition of the term vaccine. I wasn't convinced it was an important

21:42 with respect to what I thought I knew about the effectiveness of other That's what they do. And I still feel this way about the fundamental technology. And then we, you know, the vaccines were on the horizon and we were initially very hopeful. We are saying, you know, it doesn't carry any risk, right? If you get in your car drunk one day and Yep. Heather and me as a biologist, and I have a little background in immunology.

26:25 question is, well, what does this vaccination program mean for the pandemic itself, right? not only have we seen that proliferation of variants, First, lean a win. What is that? Immunology, Top Flight Journal. The implication is that the evolutionary path we have traveled is causing the pathogen now to be able to trigger a response that will cause the immune system not to fight.

31:09 But while you're in utero, you're exposed to almost nothing from the outside, right? You're But in general, this system just sits there dormant, and any time it runs into an antigen that it hasn't seen, it treats it like an invader, and it fights. But what happens if something about the system, let's say that your physiology That pathogen is now triggering that signal that causes the immune system not to react anymore, means we're in a whole new landscape. fact, because there was a recent article that I saw someone quoting on a podcast as evidence that

33:43 So as you know, I'm a bat biologist. I studied bats in grad And I said, what the hell? I don't know anything about this. I don't know what a it that this had actually emerged from the lab and not as a simple matter of having passed through This is seeming to hit many different tissues in the body. they do best when you are healthy enough to walk around and spread them. And so they tend to spare tissues that do not help them to be transmitted.

38:12 spread it. So let's take, I don't know whether this is right or not, but logically, at least, Then the point is it's not bad to lose your sense of taste and smell from the point of view of passing on the pathogen. that the most likely explanation was laboratory enhancement and escape. You're talking about the wet market article? It just means that people from the lab go to the coffee shop. And the fact is the wet market is

42:27 Oh, I mean, let's put it this way. enhanced it with a fern cleavage site, and then lost control of it. really know whether, I mean, I guess I assume that the virologists who are constantly bombarding us out what it would be like if it did have all of them, they gave it the ones it didn't have. And of enhancements the Wuhan Institute was interested in and that they had the capacity to do them.

46:41 telling you about is actually, it is another one of these indications. But leaving these questions aside is not in our interest. So back to your question, though. But also what we failed to do, what responses we failed to deploy. why vaccinated and especially heavily vaccinated people do seem to be so vulnerable to this the mRNA version. There is a radical distinction in the implications of these things, both for

52:18 Or is this going to create such a large number of infected people that that is going to allow these pathogens to experiment and find those of us who didn't get this primary vulnerability? I'm hoping, well, frankly, I'm hoping that we wise up and we confront what I think is maybe the most important question of the whole pandemic, which is what would the world look like if we hadn't done anything unusual?

53:39 this immunity. It's not like normal immunity. If you get sick with COVID, you and I have both had it, right? Our immune systems will have reacted to multiple different molecular motifs on the surface of that pathogen. What as yours did, but I might be particularly immune or vice versa. immunity that people who were unvaccinated who got COVID and recovered? Well, another one of our,

55:24 One of them that we have been I mean, if you've got a pathogen that attacks mammals, every mammal it's going to encounter has an immune system. with a new mechanism and how this works in a population where what you are now doing is you are creating an incubator for new variants, not only of COVID, but of other diseases. is a good idea, but it might be, right?

58:29 system. It's just mass trauma. Now, the problem happens when people encounter mass trauma over shut off but this is all theoretical well I think that second explanation is effectively asleep. Um, that the idea that the disruptions wouldn't result in certain, sitting, because of Omicron, on non-neutralizing antibodies that enhance the infectiousness at the

1:02:12 And even if this, sorry to say, even if these idiots don't decide to come with an Omicron vaccine, is putting tremendous pressure So he's sounding multiple alarms. make you much sicker. And the point is, his point here, if I read it correctly, is that each person And he admits that this there is an awareness inside vaccinology about the absurdity of what

1:06:54 The cardiologist? this goes back to what we were talking about earlier, where ultimately, if you don't respond repeated over and over for example, they gave it a number of daily deaths that's higher than any day that we ever saw with respect to COVID. They didn't Now, I would guess that latter result will reverse if you measure over a long period of time. In other

1:11:44 in the public health apparatus. got more dangerous because of variants. But it doesn't mean that it's preventing people from and journals. They should be doing that job. And almost none of them are. So that leaves those of that is more and more capable of enduring the pathogen. And so again, this is one more place techniques that didn't work, but they would have discovered that and they would have gotten

1:15:34 Because that was the narrative at the beginning of the pandemic. They're concentrated amongst the elderly and the infirm. somebody has died at 85 of the flu, right? Okay, did the flu kill them? Partly, but a lot of what And famously now took people who didn't really die of COVID but died with COVID. And it used those numbers to cause us to think the pathogen was something other than it

1:19:50 the idea that it doesn't stop, the idea that it doesn't turn around and say, makes sense to me, because there's a vast financial interest in vaccinating as many people as possible. But I also have an uneasy sense about what the larger picture may be here. So I guess for your audience, let me just briefly say that a black budget, you know, in a democracy, the power of the purse allows something like the Congress to control, you know, the intelligence community, for example. The intelligence

1:23:10 the control of Congress, could use the leeway that it has in interacting with, you know, drug cartels And if it can go forward in time, you have similar opportunities, right? to come and none of them showed up. And he said, well, I guess it doesn't exist, right? Because There is substantial evidence that COVID began circulating such that it was an important component of what unfolded at the military games in Wuhan in September of 2019.

1:26:55 information, you could position yourself and it would result in a cryptic massive transfer of wealth. And so the question is, how much of the story here involves Right. I'm as much an outsider to this as anybody. Vandenbosch. They want to say he's got a financial conflict of interest. That's why he's saying these of propaganda, for example. You punish people for killing each other.

1:31:53 of an industrial strength propaganda campaign, On the other hand, if you went after people who were so-called vaccine hesitant, And the answer is, look, you're not going to get punished by us if you come out now and you say, freaked so many people out i did it the very early days of the pandemic before there was a vaccine vulnerable. Why would you be angry? You should be sad. You should be trying to convince them.

1:35:49 companies that have had more criminal punishments, more fines for criminal behavior than virtually any industry that's ever existed, more lying about the adverse effects and the adverse And I think the only way we're going to get out of this is if we forgive them. I could have been one of them if I wasn't doing this fucking podcast. that my personality that is just immune to bullshit, when bullshit hits me, I'm go,

1:38:16 Rogers of the world, these people that have been demonized, to forgive people. And if we don't do that, we just continue these ideological tribes that battle each and I'm some crazy kook who believes in the flat earth and fucking chemtrails or whatever the fuck you want to attribute to it. What I'm arguing is beyond that line for me, where I'm not ready to forgive,

1:40:13 because he's famous his words carry weight he could have been a guy at a bar then it becomes broadcast everywhere. of MAGA support and racist, xenophobic, homophobic, transphobic assholes. And we hate assholes. They did it out of hate. And that's adverse event that happened because of the vaccine, particularly young children who all I get why you formed those opinions.

1:43:15 the people who are still doing this are unforgivable. What I'm arguing is that the were many times more likely to get myocarditis because of the vaccine. And then he said was fucking hook line and sinker and he also works for a large corporation he function here in order for this to make sense. The mRNA vaccines, right, they were supposed to problem. Can I pause you right there? Sure. When someone gets injected into the deltoid,

1:47:12 So John Campbell. that you pull back on the plunger and the syringe. And if you see blood, you go further in before you events isn't going to cause vaccine hesitancy. So is that possibly why some people got vaccinated events having nothing to do with this particular vaccine, but in general have to do with those that fraction of cases in which somebody gets a huge dose, a bolus that flows through their circulatory system for something that was designed to leak out slowly through the lymph.

1:50:11 Peak Prosperity. Anyway, he's a lovely guy. He has a totally cool specialty for talking about the pandemic. He's a toxicologist. And so anyway, he's very excellent at what he does, right? So I don't know how common that is. I would say that one of the harms from these things have effectively gotten blanks, right? So I don't That nobody's looking. Lena Wen talking about natural immunity being superior to the immunity that's

1:53:13 and overall metabolic health, which you absolutely can improve if you're alive. You can do this. And and focus and commitment and also overcoming procrastination and this resistance that people I experienced that in the biggest way possible on CNN in a way that I was fucking baffled by the response. I'm a junk foodaholic, actually. I just don't get it right.

1:56:12 No, no. it like that mouth pleasure so much you're willing to sacrifice a little bit i am yeah i you know i Yeah, no question. I don't think they're needed. You know there's a large body of clinical research on the efficacy of vitamins, Listen, but you would have a much better argument. Or diabetes or cardiovascular disease. I do. No, but I do 30 minutes on the treadmill in the morning, and then I take a long walk with

1:58:49 Well, I have a solution to that and eat well and exercise. This is how it goes. Especially if it's great if What? Very telling. I've known Peter for a long time. actually not prevent COVID, not prevent transmission, and continues to say it, but Right. you have lipid nanoparticles coding this mRNA message. of the cell. It's supposed to stick there. Surely some of it does.

2:05:10 So we are programmed, our immune systems, every day of the year are circulating, a certain number of cells in your liver will then be destroyed by your immune system. the heart. When those cells in the heart do their job and transcribe this new But the cost of not getting cancer is that it doesn't repair, right? circulating the clips. It's also possible

2:07:58 into a number of the issues surrounding COVID and vaccines and the like. And she has put together an excellent analysis As soon as we knew that these things were going to circulate in the body, get these transcripts into enough cells that they can So at the point that the immune system has targeted these cells that have taken up these transcripts, these transcripts presumably become flowing out and they get gobbled up by a macrophage or something like that, which then may get transfected itself.

2:11:48 what they've done is they've borrowed an adenovirus. They borrowed a virus that exists, DNA does not have pseudouridines. So it does not have this ultra permanent nature that they imbued myocarditis. They're saying the myocarditis that's imparted by the vaccine is unfortunate, Well, this is one of these pieces of evidence that I want to see explored by an actually independent body. This has been looked at by some folks. And

2:15:05 same way as your surface. So you don't necessarily have evidence that you've got a weakness in your And what implication does it have for your capacity to function? What implication does it have for the threshold at which your heart is no longer capable of doing what it needs to do? Right? That's the question with the possibility that athletes are collapsing on the field due to heart attack with an irregular frequency at this point.

2:16:43 get scarring of the heart, you can improve the function of your heart through exercise. And I would argue that the reason that it's not good at healing is that it's so good at It's sci-fi for a couple reasons. And I would also argue, you know, the installing of a heart in a patient is bound to have issues with scarring and the reduction in the reproductive capacity of the cells at any place where it was sewn in.

2:19:23 It is. including Peter McCullough, have looked at the footage and they believe that this is exactly what happened, right? evidence there was about him online is that this was an unusually good kid, not only extremely I found that nobody has died on a football field in the NFL in 50 years. particularly a difficult sport in terms of your cardiovascular function, right? Because those

2:23:31 is because they don't take breaks right they don't it's not like you know you have a stop Yes, much smaller. And so, you know, again, it's crazy that we are having to deal at the level Hopefully the point is actually, you know what? From the jump, being on it objectively from the jump, analyzing all the data, Yeah. They put it on Instagram? Yeah, the problem is you have to cajole it.

2:27:46 feed it up to three tweets, it will write a New York Times story in one of five genres, you know, There's going to be a ChatGPT 4, which is going to be that much better because it will be built with the improvements that have been gained through turning this one loose on the world. But I have to say, I am quite alarmed. And they've allowed it. going to police a world in which, I mean, this problem is already bad enough. Most academics

2:31:34 That's one concern. And then the other concern is when we say, well, chat GPT don't know how it develops in a child, right? about this very issue. In fact, I used basically the argument that you could attain artificial learn to clear the waterway better, but we worried that they might learn to do something that we feels like a person can play on your emotions, right? Can that be used to cause a failsafe to be removed, maybe. But in any case, this only deals with one of the

2:35:47 And I think we ought to be on high alert. I love that movie. and then she leaves him in that room with the bulletproof glass, Yeah. In this. circuit in straight men. Yeah. Right. But but a part of this is actually inevitable in the chat GPT story, because. It doesn't have emotions. I put a circuit on the desk and it's got a button and it's got a light.

2:41:15 in you is evolution building a circuit to detect when something is harming you. So you'll recoil But there's no reason to think that the spider actually has a subjective experience, but it probably doesn't have, it doesn't feel anything about it. It just reacts in a way that but you didn't program an octopus to be conscious. And it might be, right? You didn't program a chimp

2:44:47 Is that inevitable? And the fact is solving that problem is the key to accessing a bunch of other problems. So it's sort of worth cheating on that puzzle in order to do other stuff that's productive. one day you're going to be flying a plane. roadblock to that, that we just can't improve biologically as quickly as technology? part because we've crossed over an event horizon. And the point is none of this was predictable and we're floating in a chaotic set of events. But look,

2:48:58 I think that's what's going to happen if we don't get ahead of this. And, you know, I really, I don't even see it as a choice between those two things because if we decide to just allow the chips to fall where they may, this is not going to be a long ride. and it worked okay. and do so implementing a similar type of technology where you're using some sort of

2:52:14 Yeah. with you. What you're effectively doing is learning to think something hard enough that you can cause a detector to know that you want it to go this way or that way. And then that went, you know, and then of course you went from that to what we have now, And maybe that's the problem with it. thing already happening where you're interacting through a controller or some other thing like that. And I would also just

2:56:04 We're trying to retain a grip on actual reality, which is hard as hell in this era. I've lost friends. but it's reached a lot more people than it had before. social isolation is a precondition for the kind of insanity that we saw overtake people. And in light of that, I think we need to be very concerned because they speak what has strangely been called malinformation or whatever.

3:00:32 know it's so easy for people to demonize him because he's a multi-billionaire the one of the is wild to see and very encouraging to me. Yeah, I am slightly cautious, but a huge fan of what I need to be moderated at some level, but how you can moderate it without killing off the challenge than anybody else that I've seen. The other reason that I'm strongly rooting for him

3:03:46 I mean it's crazy on both sides. across the board with everything. Yeah. And you can see on social media that the potential to of their political stripe or of the other stripe. And, you know, it's a lesson. by these new people that have sort of embraced them and they've completely changed their political You can only do that once, by the way. I'm all for it again.

3:07:23 challenge to Heather and me that we were now conservatives So we have to be progressives. The conservatives need progressives to talk to And to just wholesale go one way or the other way, it's just you're trapped. They're just not understanding, you know, conservatives have a vital role. your defense. And really, this is all going to come down to whether the people with ears to hear on

3:11:02 it's inherently a weak way of looking at the world. And they probably don't even know people like that in their real world. The problem is like real interactions. You know, one of the nice things to Arkansas, you're traveling to Oklahoma, you're traveling to the places where there's a lot of people that are conservative. And you get accustomed to, you know, just realizing like,

3:12:52 I get why you're, you know, why what you think is cool and why you have that American flag It doesn't encourage nuance. when they talk to people, it's just like, I'm right. And you're wrong. And I'm going to tell Like, let's talk this through. And sometimes you do the wrong thing, and I have to teach you the right thing. I just have more life experiences that have accumulated

3:16:25 and that I've become so much wiser through having children and watching them experiencing life it's Yeah. I really appreciate you, man. And I appreciate your courage and your steadfast And so anyway, I'm deeply grateful to you.