Joe Rogan Experience #1923 — Mike Baker Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Yes, some bullshit is fun. Oh. You basically showed everybody how vulnerable this money on a hard drive is. Wonderful idea. Yeah, for saying what seems to be the case is that a lot of crypto was just horseshit. Tons of stuff you could do with it. So they were mad that you didn't grill him. That'll come out later. And we've never seen them together.

2:52 Who is Yasser Arafat? Just the two of them. Put him in the hat. I mean, has any dictator ever tried to become a – like if anybody could pull that off, maybe the Sultan of Brunei. Or a spy. Oh, yeah, Chuck Berry. They did not look alike. Oh, he was so fun. Every time you tuned in the gong show, you just knew Chuck My actual neighbor. Yeah. I think he made his money off of MASH he did anything else. He just played golf. Yeah.

5:13 What's this here? No. Oh, the Freedom Forum. Who might have gotten excited about that? It's never gonna happen. They've they've moved to defund you know that But do they need 87,000 more agents? Now, a wealthy audit can be complex, but they're coming after small, medium-sized businesses. And that's how they imagined the amount of money they were activity where Congress will vote to do something. It'll be stopped in the Senate or it'll be,

8:46 But the truth is it happens with every administration. ruminating and it's nearly ten documents almost ten it's seven yeah one was It was the Penn-Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement. Yeah, that's it. Really? I mean, again, I don't know. Ah. What the fuck are they giving them? It would have been amazing if Biden hadn't had classified documents sitting somewhere.

11:53 But the Republicans thought it was an aha moment. That's a big goddamn story. And that seems to be par for the course, right? Doesn't that sound good? I'm putting out a policy paper. Oh. You know what I'm doing? I'm putting out a policy paper. Yeah. I was just reading about Huawei that even despite the U.S. sanctions, despite the fact over to the dark side you fuck he was one of the last holdouts of the green bubble but it's they

14:42 It's like saying, okay, we're going to upend our computer systems at the company and go with a new product. Would they freak out? 10 years ago, you were a goddamn wizard. But, you know, we debated for a while about the youngest one getting him a phone, right? You can't. I see shootouts every day. Yeah, but with kids trying to, They're wizards. It's massive, obviously, a massive market.

17:41 with 59 other apps originally. Pressure. The content was just going elsewhere. Like, whoa. I couldn't fucking believe it when I was reading it. And even when you opt out, there's still accessible information there. then, you know, it's incredibly ignorant or naive or both or whatever. There's no recourse for companies outside of China to the US. And the story behind this guy is fascinating. He was a fairly senior,

21:51 remember that clip where Marco Rubio reached for his water I don't remember drink out of a goddamn man-sized bottle of water what's up with that little ass I know. And what he would do is he would just say, look, can you come to China and make a presentation at the university about something completely innocuous, right? And by this time, luckily, the FBI had tweaked on this guy and figured out there was something

24:39 wanted to set the hook on this guy, on this Chinese intel officer. And so he gets this and he goes, ah, it's working. to Belgium and gets arrested there, right? And it took a while, but he was finally extradited to the And so eventually that kid got wrapped up. facility in China. What does that mean? Well, that means that every employee, every local employee

26:39 they were able to place malware on a visiting Frenchman's computer fingerprint data from both, you know, fingerprint readers from Android phones and biometric facial data Just coming up with that. But the point at 30,000 feet is Everything we do tends to be targeted, right? Why would they be interested in me? Where do you think it's going? and that's almost a full year because it started in February.

30:39 That's it, right? you've got to create some middle ground then where it's not going to be a complete victory for the Ukraine. And so far, that really hasn't happened. very lengthy rambling way to like how long we do this for? you're either with them or against them and you can't just be going, what are we doing? What is No. There you go. Look at that. I'm trying to open the bottom

34:18 So, I mean, worst case scenario is this breaks out in a nuclear war. If suddenly Russia decides, I'm going with an unconventional weapon, right? this thing could could uh escalate get a little bit out of control. Maybe, as we talked about, maybe there's increasing you could put a complete blanket over it, right? it's kind of like a nod and a wink as to what what the media tells you and the

36:37 If you're on Fox News, you're all in with those people. So, you know, I wouldn't, it's like hoping that the mullahs, it's like hoping the Iranian regime topples under the weight of this current protest. Well, yeah, that's a great point. If you think about the breakout potential for Iran to develop a nuke, a weapon, some estimates now are about a week, one week, right, to develop enough enriched uranium.

39:27 That's for one. They did it in Syria, gone after these capabilities. to figure out what their plans and intentions are. So, and, you know, we kind of backed out of this I don't think the Biden administration wants that heat. I heard they... The royals. Royals set up a war room to discuss Prince Harry's memoir. She's a siren. Yeah, I think harlots are.

43:18 in the day when she was like in her early 20s wow uh no i haven't heard that one. That's no no That whole fucking thing dad thing. But yeah, I the war room. I guess it makes sense Afghans that he killed while he was there on duty. What has he said about the Afghans he killed? strange that he was, I mean, essentially Yeah. Did you think it was an executive position, ma'am?

45:13 Yeah. It's not going to set well with the people that he was serving with. Yeah. I mean, you know, it is and it isn't. part in these campaigns. And I admit to being a bit of a royalist. Hercule Poirot. three famous Belgians. But she almost never comes up in the list of famous Belgians. Yeah. I've heard of some of these stories, but I've never watched them.

48:21 in a small cottage in a small English countryside village. And I know some people say, well, I don't want to go when I'm 80. yeah they remarried so it's not two families uh which would be much more interesting i suppose in the end of the day to talk about but uh yeah my daughter's almost 30 talk about stress not to you know you, you just, fuck. Yeah.

50:52 Yeah. It's an addiction like gambling, like anything else. I always tell people that concentrate on stupid shit. Yeah, yeah. for sure, you know. you're ever going to have like how much money are you going to donate to stupid shit how much money Yeah, but you used to work for the intelligence agencies. You used to work for the CIA. How the fuck is that uncomplicated, that's what I want. I just want that uncomplicated life. Yeah, but you used to work for the intelligence agencies.

53:23 You're aware of it, but I think if you, I mean, it was kind of like looking at that world also. found it very difficult in the terms of the sort of like, I don't know whether they were thinking that. And I think that helped with the business. I never sat around staring at my fucking navel, No, I'm about to spend 10 seconds promoting a book that's about to be released.

55:25 Yeah. That's good. People were like, why are you leaving? Company rules. That's pretty much the first one. But there's other principles in there. you've got all the fucking details that you want before you go in on the target. You're not looking right? And so, you know, this is not a book about my time in the CIA. And, you know, I don't think And it comes out on the 18th and Scribd is the Netflix of books, as they say. What made you decide to call it. So anyway, there's these principles, and it comes out on the 18th and scribbed as the Netflix of books, as they say.

58:46 Kenny Slotnick over at AGI Entertainment and he's worked with me for years on TV shit and other Oh, no. No no this is not no there's no you know there's no real in the scheme of things it took done. And, you know, that's probably more rewarding than anything else I've done in a sense, It never ends. No, it's about, it's sort of the, no, we don't want to do that.

1:01:15 I'm used to that kind of weird, though. out by when it comes to intelligence agencies in this day and age, that they kind of act Having been behind the curtain for all that time, I guess there's two parts to this. time that I was there, the agency was uniquely apolitical, In the old days – I don't know what the old days are, you know, through the Cold War and whatever, 70s and early 80s, people would join.

1:04:34 Like with the CIA, you always want your director to have a good line of communication with the president. and uh uh wasn't an actual baby people are gonna be like making notes you you know. They get it. Find the baby. Baby with the bathwater. Find the baby. bad things can happen. But the career people that I dealt with, that I met with over the years,

1:06:23 Never say never. KENNEDY ASSASSINATION. HIMSELF MURDERED BY ANOTHER LONE LIGHTNING ALL ON DIFFERENT SO LESS THAN A YEAR AFTER THE THE REPORT CONCLUDED THAT WHILE TIME TO MOVE ON. IN 1964, THE YEAR Warren Commission issued its report, the government doesn't feel like answering. THE FAMILY WAS IN THE HOSPITAL. THE FAMILY WAS IN THE HOSPITAL. THE FAMILY WAS IN THE HOSPITAL.

1:09:33 HE WAS A CONTRACT PSYCHIATRIST AN EXTENSIVE 1999 OBITUARY OF REALLY HAPPENED. THE PRESIDENT'S CELL PHONE. THE PRESIDENT'S CELL PHONE. THE CRIME IS A CONSPIRACY. THE CRIME IS A CONSPIRACY. THE CRIME IS A CONSPIRACY. PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY THE PRESIDENT PROMISED TO COMPLY SAME THING. But why? DID THE CIA HAVE A HAND IN THE FROM WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS.

1:12:12 THAT ONCE AGAIN IS BEING NOW, SOME PEOPLE WILL NOT BE when you say, well, why would the agency not want papers released? You know, my mind immediately Right. Direct access to these documents. the documents. So how about you give us something more than that? So I, you know, again, I look at Oh, fuck, I'm drawing a complete blank now. I've even sat down with the guy's brother.

1:15:21 See, this is what happens when advancing age. into an apparently more successful individual, right? Leading up to that, going off the grid, might be involved. But I'm more inclined to think that to me is something where I think there was a Look, you know, there was plenty of information about where King was at the time, right? with what Tucker did is, you know, you can't say I've got a credible source. It'd be like if I

1:18:47 I mean part of it was supposedly that Kennedy was interested in disbanding the CIA, right? We don't have to worry about the Soviet Union anymore. And we'd love to think it's a community of nations, but it's not, right? oh, you're right. Obama had an agreement with Xi back in the day to cease and desist on the So, yeah, but again, it's that sort of thing.

1:22:10 is them infiltrating our education system, infiltrating businesses, sabotaging us with It's not like, you know, yes, technology changes that, how you can, you know, signals intercepts and all the things that you can do in cyberspace. But ultimately, what are they looking to do? What's Chinese intel apparatus looking to do? Well, they're looking to They dominate the world's global supply of rare earth minerals, right?

1:24:08 China. Yeah. the minerals that are used in batteries are not the same thing. We're not talking about rare earth We have to be able to do that. And so when people say, well, you know, we can't criticize China for thank goodness. But, you know, they were just, they were, these guys simply working to find this case that I mentioned where they just sentenced this fellow we extradited. He was

1:28:38 or he would have somebody come over to give a presentation, the Ministry of State Security, We have things that we can't do, right? Part of that is making people aware of it. It's not necessarily a two-way conversation, right? It's not like the company do what you can but when 80 of the critical infrastructure is owned by private companies Maybe I haven't seen evidence to say absolutely not. So maybe there was a conspiracy.

1:31:42 And, you know, I'm not going to shift off that line. 12 of them were FBI informants. he wasn't really interested in it at all, but they organized it, Yeah, I mean, I think the way that you avoid problems typically is by having your frontline managers, right, What is the purpose? have evidence at the very bottom. Otherwise, it's just sitting on this pile of sand. So I think that's sometimes where these things go awry because there's such a desire to develop that opportunity or that case that people forget to say, well, how did this even get started?

1:34:35 Bankman Freed. If somebody early on had just said, let's go back and do due diligence from But all these frauds at this level, particularly those, it's driven by – I don't want to necessarily say greed, but the fear of missing And then people say, well, if they're promoting it, it's good. Right away, I was like, uh-uh. They have huge superstars doing ads for them.

1:37:33 I'm surprised. How would one even And there was this one conspiracy theory. And he was saying, I have no knowledge of this. of all if if a company that you're looking at investing in suddenly names an arena, gets a corporate jet, buys a yacht, has associated real estate offshore, whatever it is, you might want to look at this thing. I mean, what do the trades look like?

1:40:24 and doing whatever drugs they were doing. So it's the due diligence part. Yeah. Yeah. Help us out here. an enormous amount of influence, and protect his money. Sam's a good guy. between the guy on the left, Like what could that fucking young kid doing speed fucking his neighbors? with Madoff, small office in a strip mall? Yeah, yeah. They were using QuickBooks. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:44:19 this guy doesn't look like a rocket scientist, reason why he's donating so much money yes and and you know the donations anybody who thinks he of crypto is, once it collapses, it's nonsense. There's no legitimate assets, right? I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you. If I really was desperate and I said, Is that illegal? They're still trying to figure it out, right?

1:47:18 2003, right at the very beginning. And it didn't take long. At first, there were several months where it was and providing security. So then they started having problems. There were all sorts of issues. Well, And so, hey, from an intel perspective, bravo. Which leads people to make rash, impulsive decisions and, you know, you get hyper-confident. to talk about this because I've never been

1:49:56 don't. I'm still watching. because you asked me about that the other day. Because he had an interest in FTX. People are calling. Put it up. Yeah. Jesus Christ. by publication time. That's a tough one. of what SBF was doing, as an example, was just selling low and, or sorry, selling and then buying That's what they're saying. a great guy. Let's just, for whatever reason, due diligence costs almost in scheme of things

1:56:22 enough. You know, two things people can do to protect their businesses. Well, I think they missed the boat in a way, right? Decentralized is not the same as unregulated, Some people, you know, occasionally there's going to be someone who's actually really sophisticated and smart, that protects investors. And there were people that were doing this about FTX as well, right?

1:59:29 Yeah, that's different than a small crypto exchange. Yeah. he was explaining to me what George Soros does. Well, it's not really. It's like he wants these cities to fall apart. out there for truth and justice. She is in love with him. I don't think he's staying young. But just what a wild thing to do with your money. Billionaire-backed new media firm to combat disinformation.

2:02:45 that cut through echo chambers The company's called Acronym. contributing to the delayed reporting of the iowa caucus results wow it's all very weird I mean, you would think that if you had that much money, you're 92 years old, you just want to go fly fishing and sit on the deck and drink coffee and talk to your grandchildren and just enjoy your life.

2:04:20 What the hell? I mean, at least there's some transparency there as opposed to dark money going into campaigns and other things. It is smart. And I think, I don't know that it's going to change anything. going to you know take the time to go out for local elections and honestly god you know if you No, I think that's where we learned a shit ton about schooling, right?

2:06:23 Yeah. You've got to know math. I became basically, And when they finally can shut their laptop, they're like, fuck. And so we put them in a local Catholic school. they were sitting it goes on for an hour right and they have this priest who's great guy but I'm thinking, okay. And I go in. schools opened up again we pulled him out of school it was a great school but we pulled about

2:10:17 But I think a lot of kids just of a certain category is probably just like, fuck it, I don't need to go to school. I started looking early because I just had this feeling. It means you've got to put your head above the wall it was a conspiracy to crush America, and I'm like And he did it like sort of an about face with confronted with new information.

2:12:49 And I think it became one of those things when you're dealing with something that's that enormous, but we're, we're, we're moving into a, a, a world where, um, yeah, then if you're cautious and, you know, especially during the pandemic, it's way less pushback. another one, right? I mean, it's not- There always have been. but I don't know that we're going to next pandemic look and say, okay, let's review again how we reacted to the COVID.

2:15:32 Yeah, yeah. I mean, some people found that whole isolation thing to be very comforting in an odd way. Do you think that there is productive working remotely, or is it based on the individual? talk, help, collaborate. It's better when you're in the room. Yeah. You got to be in the room. because this is a completely new thing. I mean, I get their perspective that they don't want to

2:18:06 Well, now people are getting laid off, right? And they're going to realize, yeah, I better get my ass back in the office. I was spending three hours a day clogged highways. Well, I never Oh, shit. You'd get home. yeah it's a rough way to live three days or three hours rather at 24 just spent commuting of the train trip. didn't have a permanent So we moved to Idaho, and I cut my commute down to about five minutes at best, right?

2:20:56 What do you really want to do with your time? I've been putting all this money and time into this company, and now this company doesn't even fucking exist anymore. it's not like I'm running a commune or anything, but I don't think that's the right way to live, right? Yeah. in the office, you know, and it's, for the most part, And for the most part, it's not completely true, but for the most part, it's the younger staff.

2:23:12 You're entitled to things without any consideration whatsoever as to how this affects the bottom But I think also one thing I've realized recently, maybe because it's this weird world that we came out of the pandemic and this new idea amongst the workforce to some degree, is we need to be more transparent about the business, right? They can't be expected

2:24:22 a week off, in addition to all the other time off. They say, you got to put your And then they expect that time off. And not that long ago, but I was like, paternity leave? They get a lot of time off paternity leave, and they're also required to give that person a raise if other people within his group get a raise as well. Yeah. I mean, unless you're a dude with like fucking milk producing breasts, that baby doesn't

2:26:12 How many husbands are going to be like, Him and his husband took paternity leave. Like, now you have a baby, and the company is just paying for you to live, which, I mean, maternity Parental. I mean, again, I'm not buying the idea that you're going to be at home, you know, running that likes to game a system, like you just keep knocking up your wife

2:28:11 Well, I certainly think that mothers should get paid time off. And, you know, it's when you're a small company, that's, you know, that's a stress, right? And they were great little kids, right? I was quite the helper. It's normal. something higher up there. I don't, I don't, I don't mean that I failed to take the kids to a or I got to do that, a while and I've been, you know, looking at my kids and thinking, did I really, did I screw up?

2:31:35 and just not worried about it. And, you know, this sense of a higher purpose, whether or not you believe all of it. Yeah. They're just training constantly, like insanely dedicated to their craft. I mean, he lives in the same house. that kind of control over me. And I get it. I get that too. But I also think there is some sort of hopefully it drives you to think,

2:34:23 because we couldn't get the kids to un-ass the sofa. And so we went, and they actually, they had a little, the guy, It's more of a way to pursue, in a sense, don't ask, what does it mean? People are like, what the fuck? Oh, God. And again, it's not an agency book. Try.scribd.com slash baker.