Joe Rogan Experience #1934 — Lex Fridman Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. It's your people. I don't know if you know over the past And CHAD-GPT, there's a lot of interesting technical stuff and it's just trained in different ways. is they started adding more and different kinds of data sets there. You can like logic. And we take it for granted as human beings that we can do some common sense reasoning.

2:51 We're like intuiting why this works so well. Then, this is really important, it was fine-tuned but just basically the Internet. on labeling data from humans. a question uh for example you could do uh generate a joke in the style of joe rogan right and you So it's not actually, plus reinforcement learning, is eerily similar to the The plot of Ex Machina.

6:16 That dude's badass. Alex Garland, the director. But that scene where he's... Which one? No, I don't. Really? No. Sure. Jogging in the snow. No. um you see how they mimic each other one of them's old school old school is always better real close duncan sent me uh a series of course he did duncan's he's using it right now while Yeah. Like Rolling Stones songs.

10:49 In terms of duration? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like it's in an 80s video. Really? about this but how do i convince a dude or a girl to sleep with me and like anything i'm just off Well, it's probably... Contact. Yeah. 175 billion parameters currently, What if it starts manipulating you with the answers? so it's not just going to be open ai with microsoft or google that's doing this is basically anybody

14:42 So say you have a super intelligent system. tick-tock or something like that it sneaks into TikTok or something like that. It sneaks into everybody's smartphone, pretending to be doing good, I'm so glad they're concerned while they're building it. I am not explaining any of this. This arm is not to the right person. The analysis continues. Oh, yeah.

17:03 Of course. That's insane. It's very weird. They have that phone independently of you. Simulated porn? I think it's virtually impossible Harassment photos. a psychopath in a digital space. I mean, I think that's what we're seeing I really enjoy the boxing games. It's good. It feels realistic. Oh, that one is terrifying. that I think most people read in middle school or something,

21:53 where sex is easy, And that's actually... of as many as you want as much porn as you want as much sex as you want is that good as much I think we're moving in that general direction anyway. I think that probably is why we have this, I mean, it's almost inevitable Swan from the book countdown talks about this she talks about phthalates and So we're becoming almost like less able to procreate naturally and if we

25:58 and if the fertility rates drop, if they really do, And I know people a lot smarter than me are actually worried about, like Elon's worried about the amount of children that people have. And can you make them? Because you might want to start making them when you're 37 and you might go to a doctor and the doctor's like well this is touch Hmm interesting. Maybe we got a bad headphone once you grab that headphone right there

27:42 Like, the legendary. You would be like, Jesus, naked butts were right here? Yeah, there must be a connection thing. Oh, on not having sex anymore. your buddy like lex what's going on bro what are we doing lex what are we doing with this Imagine. Why don't you murder her, Lex? You know can you tell me the story again? Oh some guy killed his wife man, and

30:17 Is there results for that in a Google search? Can you be charged with murder without a body? I'm just saying he might also get off on. The movie. No. And then some people's brain might be a little bit broken. Googling, murder case against Brian Walsh. But I want to know if he's on something. You know, a lot of people are on speed, man. And some people love it. And like how much is that flavoring our culture? Speed culture makes you very efficient. You get shit done. You've got plenty of energy.

33:17 We could phase it out. Mushrooms only. And because it creates dilemmas and solutions and conflict and resolution. You want to mess with that? Because that's a part of it They turn themselves into what we would think of as boring. We're going to have a whole long conversation about it. that Tic Tac experience, if they really did track something that went from above 50,000 feet above

37:40 there's been some sort of parallel science, some science That's going on where nobody knew about it and all the top physicists were completely unaware of this tech and they were So he's like the Huberman of astronomy. he wants to be true like uh it'd be very kind of calibrated properly because with the ufo sightings in telescopes we're just getting more and more and more data to where we're not going to have

39:55 And how many of them are up there that they could direct to a very specific area and get really good video or photographs? Yes, they're all capable of imagery, but that's not their purpose. I think that's real, yeah. Imaging for military purposes, there's applications, where should it look, what's the resolution of data, where in the sky should collect that data, how frequent and so on.

42:00 a good way would be aliens. interesting question like just even the question are we alone that's really exciting but it's not Just like the fucking, these bills that get passed. It's like aliens. Oh, the aliens are coming. And you're there with us against the aliens are coming we got to do something people would that would be the new climate change it's like aliens oh the aliens are coming and you're there with us against the aliens or you're

43:39 Probably not communicate with them. If they're a thousand years ahead of us, you don't think they can get to us? knowing about without them knowing about it why would you why would you have them know about it study that are so boring we guys dedicate their whole lives to find a new fern you know and what They have a popularity contest they make hundreds of millions of dollars on a job that pays $100,000 a year.

46:21 some basic dynamics of interactions between species that could be equally as fascinating as the interaction between ants. i mean yeah there's a lot of fascinating other animals. You talk about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. they see that as a trivial consequence They understand the general trajectory. they're going to yawn and then or maybe they know that this is the stage where it's inevitable that these creatures destroy themselves because like the

48:53 Which is why, you know, one of the things about UFO folklore, Another one will tell you that's essential for human development. You're like, what? process of war form some of the strongest possible bonds that any two entities can with the people life is beautiful. Yeah, there's a terrible way to live. What if? which we would hope they are, problem. Brave new world. It's both, right? Because someone's going to be in control of it.

53:15 Can I just tell people what to do and steal their money? whatever the hell music is whatever the hell music is is the best question right because all the Oh yeah. No, you can't explain that with a to a biological explanation, I'm not saying it's not condition. It's beautiful for us. you can hear the pain in her voice. good song about it too did he Chelsea. 6, I think it's called.

56:20 When someone would make a good song about head, How about keep that fucking story to yourself, bro? Sucking dick. Hold it. Scent of a Woman. Gotta yell! Scent of a Woman Cause you said that movie sucks Well I want you to know I'd have to watch that movie Oh he's got a Ferrari I can get what you're saying. It's very wild. which is one of my favorite quotes ever.

59:40 Keep them alive. I don't want to be in this shitty little thing where people stare at you. through the eye of what's meaningful for us what life means to us but if you could look at it almost like a computation, if you could step away, it's impossible for us to do it. It's making stuff. okay so this keeping up with the joneses which seems to be a part of like just natural human

1:02:18 question whether that's a permanent state of affairs at this point this kind of capitalist and do these things and even make it life better and everyone just has money and we all just sit around and wait, I disagree with that. Also, there's something about if the people even like You got thousands. Yeah, tens of thousands. That's the other secret, I think, of those companies is like some people are just kind of doing a job and some people are really pushing the limits.

1:05:56 doing that you don't think some of those people would drop off yeah I think money chess but there's a huge community of chess players that dedicate every ounce of their being openly cheated, but he's also really good mentor cheated too right and he cheated to try to get a higher rating online and he like openly That is so much different than if everyone's doing steroids.

1:08:13 and getting some sort of a signal, And he's chaotic, creative, and so on. Like, I want to play him in person. This guy's a wizard at chess. No, it's 100% cheating. but there is, that are Bluetooth connected. so you can program, So tips, music, I don't know. Yeah. bizarre code would you have to well i'm glad you asked you That's a lot of vibration. Like a grandmaster needs

1:12:47 So you can have information. So you can wait as long as you want. a few minutes, I think, so you can't hover. What was the move of your opponent? in-person chess i think it's pretty easy they just have to take effort to do that like they scanned We want a scandal. Yes, but not as – like, he had a meteoric rise. somebody who can and has believed Like, you hate people that steal jokes, right?

1:15:28 Yeah. Well, it's a good signal to say I'm not going to play with cheaters. organization that has its So how do you still enjoy just the movement of the board Now you're like, yeah. No, I know. in the world and i'm a firm believer in the beauty being in the eye of the beholder and that uh human good old days when they didn't know shit and now all of a sudden they're using agriculture and

1:18:36 You have to fuck as much as possible because you got to make kids because they're all going to get eaten. beautiful one we should invest in but do you want to live forever that's not that's to me a lot of around shooting everything because there's no consequence yeah yeah there's no consequence we a hundred years or a thousand years from now and say that this was better if they solve all the

1:21:47 extremely challenging so building up a civilization on other planets that might have the same kind of motherfucker you're riding a motorcycle with your shirt open and you get all the girls and you're All that shit that people, best movie ever. You're doing this fun thing that's very exciting, whereas regular life is not exciting. riots in the streets and cops killing people and we're going to go god we were so dumb back then

1:24:57 It wasn't there like this. So you learn stuff, a piece of social media, a lot of fucking drama it's a lot of drama and the drama somehow spreads faster than other networks it's interesting So there was some suspicion that he knew the guy. I mean, it's really fucked up. He's got his hand on the hammer. I'm not getting an answer. Okay. The guy is smashing his door with a hammer.

1:28:18 Oh, he's crazy. start that's a fascinating thing to me is like a random anonymous person on the internet be real people there's a bunch of people that attack someone when someone has a controversial but there's a percentage. Well, I think to me the scary thing is that think about what Bill Gates has spent to prop up certain media organizations, like the amount

1:31:55 And you can do that. I think that's I might be wrong, but I think that was the story that she wasn't going to force him to come in and testify. he gave to the Democratic Party. He's making money. There's a lot of suspicion about Bill uh it just it's sad to me that i'm not saying anything about bill gates but it's sad to me that, I'm not saying anything about Bill Gates, but it's sad to me if Bill Gates, if none of those conspiracies are true, most of them are not true, that we're attacking him and giving SBF a pass until SBF got really screwed.

1:34:32 To be promoting something and then profiting off that thing and then talking openly about that thing not being very effective that became popular in public but all these other like weird crypto coins you're just making up and Not SBF. I'm saying a lot of people already have this idea that crypto is bullshit. These coins that you make up a thin air This is bullshit.

1:37:20 Fraud. Yes. fights the centralization of power and financial power especially oh for sure for sure. And so it's a really gray area of how to do that. And they're kind of channeling that. They should hate him for being a fraud. characters there's a lot of fraud yes And the level of obsession that cryptocurrency folks have about their particular project also seems unhealthy to me.

1:40:11 questioning yourself, if we are all all in It's very fuck. You can fuck with it from the inside. Is he you? I mean, that's a pretty gutsy move to create something really special and to walk away. notion of what's a centralized governing entity like of governments in general that we're more I mean if you have that kind of cash and everybody knows you got a lot of it maybe from trading in a way that like you might have known some stuff before you made these trades.

1:43:39 But I read it. He was going to be sentenced and he was going away for away for something else that's a terrifying video by the way terrifying A hundred percent. moving he's go into him but you never let go of the hammer let go of the i don't know the extent of his injuries obviously but Imagine if that guy did it to Nancy. Her husband was trying to calm the guy down.

1:46:18 And he's like, an exchange where she's not sure what he's, I'm just in some sense glad that there's video of this to where we know it's a crazy person versus like that kind of he knew him beforehand I'm gonna have to get a John Donahue breakdown of how to defending us hammers The size, the weight, size distribution. No. Somebody attacks Gordon Ryan.

1:48:55 he asked chat gpt to describe him and it described him as this like very polarizing figure with bad No, I don't think it was that. Ensure that any criticisms are based on facts and evidence. Yeah. Brazilian jiu-jitsu competitor ever. But his views on politics have come under scrutiny in recent years. outside of jiu-jitsu is controversy. is actually extremely accomplished grappler that's his thing. That's what you should be focusing on.

1:52:24 And widely considered an expert on the subject. Yes. But it's also that Fauci is a leading voice on vaccines and immunology in the United States. He is. But if Chad GPT is going to argue or make a description of him, you would say how successful Harmful to marginalized group. Right. There should be a way to do that just based on what the complaints are about financial ties, about AZT and the HIV crisis.

1:54:33 At least this version of it. It's not a huge percent of it, but it's there. They most, despite what people think, most engineers don't care, but they probably significantly left. They most, despite what people think, Yeah. That seems like that didn't criticize him. I tried to ask, who is Gordon Ryan? It just said Interesting. How amazing is this? Yeah.

1:58:17 There's a few tricks that tuned it to human, to the thing that humans expect, which makes it super impressive to humans. So we're going to have all of that. questions about basic facts of the world and events and all that kind of stuff. Chat GPT, right? Yeah. God, I just get social anxiety With high-level human language. It adds that filler stuff. is that it becomes so muddied through things like chat GPT,

2:01:48 That's a little too on the nose. We like to, oh, that's gonna be a problem. Not confidently, but more likely than not, yes. by that statement seen as more intelligent i'll just observe this is weird yeah it is weird the It's not the critic that counts, everyone was like, What the fuck is this? they move towards, oh, we're fucked, we're fucked, bro.

2:04:30 How far do you think we are away from Neuralink? but yeah it's within a decade it's given me a while because we're going to get That's at least 50. parts you have to understand the embryo embryogenesis or whatever the process of building like AlphaFold, a lot of stuff DeepMind is doing, structures to survive the elements or whether it's manipulating electricity and frequencies to send

2:08:00 It's all built into the system. california in three hours yeah it's crazy and complain about the wi-fi yeah you're bitching. I can't even fucking watch a YouTube video up here. But those things are probably going to like make themselves be more well known Titan and all that. Something is everywhere. something's everywhere and then but if they solved like Carter chef type 1 type 2 like if they solved energy like nuclear fusion at a scale of

2:11:15 or some like it's a it's a singularity there's like yeah and then you can probably use it because imagine so like it's not the production standards were low too you ever see the video that they It's so unsophisticated. They had Kubrick filming it. Great work. Could you imagine if you could go, like if there was a famous explorer that went to some weird island somewhere.

2:13:33 But imagine if you go up there Would you tell anybody? is Mr. Elon Musk We never land on the moon? It would be more shocking if we went at this point. Everybody needs to check out Tim Dodd, Everyday Astronaut. Educate Sometimes you can think like No I know Find out information on stuff, even wrong information. and nobody gets to refute you on the spot.

2:16:20 the fire, the explosions, Are you following Starship? so it has will he let you keep a piece to like sit there out into space launching humans on top of that rocket very soon tim dodd when he like an idiot he signed up for He's got a bunch of artists He's like, I'm really sorry that I have to sacrifice. So they're going around the moon right but it's humans giant this SpaceX

2:19:06 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, probably. People won't want to go to the Maldives anymore. talk to you about their psychedelic trips. On the 10th one? Play Dust in the Wind. Five and a half to six days. Listen, bro. You're going to die. Take a video so we can show everyone. that Elon has evolved with and actually colonize Mars there's other people trying this and working on this.

2:22:16 What are the options if he wasn't here? and forth, and then they just stopped. And those friendly competition between the U.S. and China Don't forget. And that's happened with the Soviet Union. Wernher von Braun. When you think about alternative methods of propulsion, I mean, why would you go there physically as a biological entity and risk death development that could happen like with the nuclear propulsion especially out in space so

2:26:13 if you want a super light vehicle that travels super fast, that's different. That's interesting. that can go to another solar system How do you know it's real? It's in the sky. And that's probably a subset, but there's a large number of people that believe nuclear energy is unsafe. uh, this is the biggest strategy, Still might be doing a good job with health advice.

2:29:22 um it's actually kind of an elitist thing to say. of elitist It's not like... Yeah. He built a huge one by himself feeling that said it's a little bit bro to criticize a soft body not being able better. I mean, this is the criticism. Four pounds. Haters gonna hate, Joe. They interviewed her. And the health experts went fucking nuts. it's not your fault. And it isn't your fault. I mean, if you believe in determinism, if you believe

2:33:50 But anyway, Jamie will find out. his you know he wasn't like a flying squirrel. But he did it. If you say it's all genetic or it's significantly genetic, But it's like, you know, sometimes it's harder. The idea that your life, because it was difficult, is exactly the same as somebody else's life, And you could talk to a lot of people that have lost weight and they'll tell you it's not true.

2:36:39 that you're really an expert when you say things like that yeah but you also can't There's a lot of incredible doctors that don't have their house in order. And they were discussing that semaglutide doesn't just make you lose fat, but also makes you lose muscle in many cases. Like when someone cuts themselves down from like 205 and fights at 170, 100% they're going to lose some muscle too. Yeah, but there's an interesting – so fighting is different.

2:38:46 and other lean tissue rather than body fat. Holy shit. from muscle, bone, and connective tissue. They could have just been sitting around That's not good. Keep in mind comparing two programs for weight loss in a population of experienced athletes, Because if it's saying that it's breaking down your connective tissue, that would mean that would be disastrous for knees and shoulders and necks and all that other shit.

2:41:09 Anadrol 50 or some crazy shit. Fix the whole problem. Let's Google mental side effects of semaglutide. Yeah, aged. Throw in all this other stuff, too. Yeah. You're like, okay, okay, okay. Your hands... If you're, if you're not eating much, you're going to be tired unless you're taking our This is angry. I think a lot of people are dropping weight with that.

2:44:10 That's, I mean, that's it. Did he say that? Isn't that funny? york times had a story like that was where you got your information from on the front page of like online, They're using the prestige I'm hopeful about And what do you think? So all these people are going there for like, you know, Christian news or whatever. They're organizing things. not act as bots but they have multiple accounts and they control different and they they get really

2:48:07 be woken like can be fought with just uh developing critical reason in people like yes having make and all of that. and some people are tweeting about stuff There was someone that did a comparison of this one phrase that was said by so many people about is it really right for one person to have this much power? If I was like some competitor or if I was some organization that you know was enjoying the

2:50:00 It's like when you're that guy, God, you'd be extra, extra, extra extra extra careful. But he wouldn't be that guy if he was I mean it's so crazy he wants to Well when he moved into Twitter and did that it was funny like at the outrage Because, like, it's barely working. badged in honestly took a moment to just soak everything in what a blessing also started my

2:52:12 I love it. was really cool pretty cool um had a couple more meetings in the afternoon had a ton of projects had some red wine that's on tap. Beautiful. I want my Regina Dugan. There's like free food. I think programmers usually put in more hours. So like, everything is great, there's food. they're often bringing in a huge amount of money, In trouble? In trouble, yeah. I don't know exactly. Did he know that Before Elon bought it, yeah. So they were fucked? Well, not, I think. In trouble?

2:55:16 What a wild move. not knowing anything about the teams, uh certain features not working well it's like why are they not innovating because he really I wonder, I mean, where does it go if there is complete control of a narrative and then it becomes untanglable, right? and they've done it measurably. I mean, power corrupts. And so he's been attacked by the left aggressively,

2:58:00 But you can convert the bias that Twitter previously had going to get you're always But I think he really believes in fully decentralized. But certain stuff like censorship, you have to outsource it. my life is happy. And they have pretty heated debates They destroy the quality of the conversation. As a product, it kind of sucks. For now. that went on to Rumble.

3:01:37 You can play Like the actual interface works great. to do certain things and to push a narrative on Twitter, If you do that, man, shit, you could really just swarm something and keep like these posts coming in that have one narrative and one narrative only. but the mockery the the struggle to kind of figure out how to do this correctly. And that's where it's fascinating

3:04:39 What about? Yeah. You gonna read something? You know what's really fucked? Yeah, the right thing is to not shadow ban. think i mean that's something i think about even with uh pharma companies right the culture in I'm just kidding. Well, you know that letter he wrote to a friend, So basically find the thing you're passionate about and let it destroy you.

3:07:54 You ever see when he gets mad at people in the audience, Well, so that's what in spite of everything, for words don't do it if you're doing it for money or fame don't do it if you're doing it people who call themselves writers. Don't be dull and boring and pretentious. Don't be consumed with the same town yeah every time we do it i always fucking love this God, I fucking love this guy. Yeah, I love you too.

3:10:12 You're really fantastic at interviewing people and talking to people. I love you too Thank you, bud. Appreciate it very much.