Joe Rogan Experience #1935 — Kyle Kulinski Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Crazy. Used to be an EDM club. We turned it into a comedy club. That's hilarious. How long ago? Just by coming here. Two years ago. You know, we're there every week. Well, I kind of let them know, like, you don't have to be there. Yeah. I was like, Dad, that's right. It's about him going to Russia. People were going to say, you know, it's about Russia.

2:31 They did that with North Korea. Yeah, and they were like, hey, we don't want to cause any problems or whatever. I know. They don't mess around. Chito. I got this. It's a very difficult game. Yeah. I play pool so much. I can't be fucking around done. You can play pool when it rains they postponed it a little bit. I believe it. So it's like basically anything that causes political problems, they say, hey, don't release this.

5:48 Tom's doing some movies. so it's like there's a lot of reasons to come here it's like there's a new scene here yeah and it It just it's one of those things where this potential is massive. but I feel like he's undervalued. Like last night he was working on a bunch of new stuff, And then a few months later, he's doing arenas with me. Well, he's doing Kill Tony, and Kill Tony's a huge show,

8:33 life don't quite come together and they're stuck at their nine to five or whatever. It really makes And he was funnier than anybody I'd ever met. Wow. He was so fucking funny. And what's crazy He just had no desire. It's a different way of delivering it. Can you play golf in a tournament? You can talk. It seems like How much time do you put in? flop in a row,

11:50 But that's a very difficult thing I just get to babble Exactly. Some people just have a better head start. that went on to be a uh executive at Comedy Central and he kind of stopped doing stand-up but But you saw a spark right away where I was like, if you just focus and drive, you can do this. And he's getting a laugh every whatever 20 seconds You know what I mean?

14:42 And he'll tell me the new punchlines he came up with when he was in Denver Oh, is he usually there too? I always thought he was really funny. Tom Segura, They all can fill the room with their own personality. It's amazing. And everybody also recognizes there's something unique about this thing that's emerging here. Really good. Like shockingly good. Like as good as the comedy store was. It's amazing. And everybody also recognizes there's something unique about this thing that's

16:25 you got executives telling people what they can and cannot say and everything's very kind of of them a lot of people moved away go and we showed up it was packed yeah on a on a Wednesday night with ice on the roads and people. It's very exciting. she's here and it's like, and there's so many good local bands that you could like on any given night, So it's like now I have to like really be invested in trying to make these new bits work

19:44 so it's it's exciting it's and that's over the last four or five months that I've developed all that new stuff. robotic and I'm not connecting to it as well. tony said last night he's like i don't even write he said i don't even write my bits and to me i This thing. it to the point where it's funny do you do you see a big difference day to day in terms of uh

22:20 You know, maybe I didn't get as excited. He's like, yeah, I get nervous before every round, and that's how I know I still love it. You know, because then the nerves and everything, you're excited about this moment. But I think through being uncomfortable, that's where the growth comes. That's where you gotta care. In a situation like that, yeah. You gotta care. And people don't like to be uncomfortable. But I think through being uncomfortable, that's where the growth comes.

23:48 Make money. So I was a little nervous. But I went in there, and the conversation went, hey, this should be fun. And so I went in there knowing it was a little bit like the lion's den. So I was a little nervous. But contentious perhaps. Yes. He's a great guy. and they're different perspectives, some people will go in with like The authenticity that like I talked about that, the authenticity.

25:32 media. And that's why you guys are eating their lunch. That's why you're killing it. Oh shit. Because I want to know that if you and Patrick Bed David are disagreeing about a subject, I want to know that it's your thoughts and his thoughts. Nobody's learning anything So if somebody says something, let's say, that's true, but also goes against the grain,

27:36 just don't engage uh you know with uh twitter and and the mentions and and youtube comments because attacking me when they don't even know what I really think on the issue. If you're like, you know for what I do are profiting off of it. we don't want any money from certain sources tainting us because this is what happens with traditional medias. and people pay five dollars a month. They get the video of the interviews and they

31:04 financially successful with your show, as successful as you would be if you were on a network. just defund news and politics right now. Yeah, you'd have to go back to 2017 articles to find it. authoritative content and borderline content. And so the YouTube algorithm pumps the authoritative These videos included references and jokes about Adolf Hitler,

33:39 So, you know, it's a struggle. It is a struggle because we were growing at a tremendous clip. So the way you grow is doing other people's podcasts and getting people from their fan base to come to you, like Patrick Bet-David. somebody like that just by tweaking the algorithm if they decided hey what if once every six months And look, they don't know what I'm going to say.

35:14 And then I give my take on it, of course. cheerleaded us into the war in Iraq. He just has this idea of the government and by government, he means left-wing government only, Well, we need better politicians. There's no way. thumb on the scale and trying to change the outcome by, you know, fiat from above, that's not the way it's supposed to work. No pretense, no worry.

37:22 One of the best examples of that is the Twitter files. You see no coverage of this on CNN, And Zuckerberg was like, yeah, the FBI reached out to us and they said, you know, hey, there's going to be a disinformation dump from Russia coming. And so we were ready when the Hunter but it's still, this is exactly what we're talking about, the algorithmic suppression,

39:00 a creativity thing, it's interesting, right? But the concern is that it's going to work on some people. crazy, which it is, then the burden is on people like me to explain, hey, here's why this is won the election and there's no way that biden guy won and it's like you know i don't want to Andrew Callahan, I think it is that one, right? I think it was on Hulu, the one you're talking about.

41:41 Yes. you get to see like, oh, these people got But I saw the one you were just talking about I didn't see this new one And they would rather take a wrong answer than they would something that's right, That happened. It's evil enough. I need to see that black book, that Epstein black book. And then he died in jail. Yeah, mysteriously. on this and was like, oh,

44:15 They had all sorts of business dealings together for quite a long time. But just absolute facts about this, the connection between the Gates and him. Do you know the bit that I'm doing on stage now about that, to a thing is they'll tell me hey this guy's gonna be there that guy's gonna be like, oh, well, I will be in good company if I go there. It may have been Daily Mail, which is a questionable source, but they were talking about how Jeffrey Epstein was meeting with a former Israeli prime minister.

46:20 Yeah. skeptics. Not even What the fuck does that mean? Michael Badden, that famous autopsy doctor, the guy who was from the show Autopsy, The area where he was strangled was below low on the neck, Well, there was a former cop who was a giant dude who was his cellmate who I think he murdered people. Okay, gotcha. They're getting him on the cheap if that's all they gave him.

48:42 I don't know what the article's about. That's where I'm from, by the way, Westchester. Oh, yeah. But, you know, the evidence that nobody did anything was like, well, no one knew entered They're saying his former cellmate died of COVID-19. Prior to his stay at the Queens, lockup Reyes was housed at the Manhattan Correctional Center where he was Jeffrey Epstein's last cellmate.

50:30 Oh. don't have to go to the QAnon level. quo protection racket because they're doing just fine over there. They're the billionaires. They're Well, that's why, look, for a lot of U.S. history, Back in the New Deal days, when we had of the money it's received. That's not which is pull out of Afghanistan, That was the perspective. they were all murdered.

54:09 It was always going to be this messy when you get out. he actually stood up to the deep state he stood stood up to the military industrial complex, and then he got shit on relentlessly for it. I understand it was a mess, but the alternative is staying there And he did a drone strike on a house and said, oh, we got the ISIS guys. who worked for the government

56:00 Because he's leaking classified information. He's right up there with Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, like all these names that a lot of people know where it's like, hey, they're kind of getting a raw deal here. or others like me have to say. You leak something that makes them look bad, like Daniel Hale did, and they'll rain holy hell on you. if you really get down to the bottom line here.

57:53 against them in court and won. And then basically, you know, the empire struck back and went after and other cases which he represented over 30,000 farmers and indigenous people who suffered environmental damage and health problems caused by the oil drilling and launch legal action against could not be enforced in the U.S. That's great. In September 2021, the United Nations High Commissioner of Human Rights stated that the

1:00:54 about doing something that's the point of the future that's exactly the point the empire will clear preferences among Democrats, Republicans, among everybody. And we don't get those things Yeah, it's spooky. Everything is funded by the public and you're allocated a certain amount. Yeah. So bad all scam everything was a scam so crazy that that was going on for so long and unless that that

1:04:06 Like everything is like FTX, Sandbank, but freed. It's a speculative investment. So there's a benefit in that, that you really can't raise it and you can't make more of it. It's more of an investment than a stable currency. lot of money but everybody who came in later bought too late and they're gonna Yeah. this is how they manipulated it well look at NFTs

1:06:44 you got a cartoon drawing of an ape with a captain's hat on. For instance, like that kind of loss. she did a post, I think, on Instagram for Ethereum Max, I think it was called. And she did it, and it was basically like a pump and nup scheme. Yeah. but then it all depends on the implementation and how it actually plays out. So I'm a little more agnostic on the crypto front, but on it on you if I don't understand like if someone says hey

1:09:52 Right. even know about then why should anybody trust you? This isn't Japanese steel. That's true. Yeah, well, there's always going to be that, right? What are you talking? comes to advertising it's an interesting world we try to figure out like what's legit and what's not. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like I said, I think there's degrees and There's a lot of this, you know, crazy fucking scam artist bullshit.

1:13:14 Holy shit. Yeah, it's like a very reputable group that has exposed scams previously, and they did this whole detailed report explaining how his whole company is fraudulent. And now, Ronald Reagan legalized them. he explains the way stock buybacks work. let's pay the shareholders off even more by artificially pumping up the price of our own and that these kind of things become illegal again

1:15:51 These are all countries that have free health care, free education. to get paid well. We're going to have a thriving middle class. And then with the neoliberal era, all of that was rolled back. So, like, we know how to do it, and there are experts in the world who can construct much better systems, It's crazy. So there's an example. I covered a story recently. There's a drug in the UK, a cancer drug coming out of the UK.

1:18:00 It was a Raw Story article. $38,398 for a single shot of a very old cancer drug. Well, we're going through the article there, where he's doing stuff that you could never even Feels good, doesn't it? Yeah, it's so hard to concentrate when you have to pee so um i was saying in in some very interesting ways biden has people are struggling, we're going to wipe out some of this. And what happened was it went through

1:21:02 There's some little ways in which he's broken with orthodoxy, but, you know, in other ways he hasn't. So, I mean, I could go through, I'll give you like, own money if you promise you're not going to create a nuclear weapon and we'll allow the IAEA, the International Atomic Energy Agency, to go in there and regulate and make sure you're not building a nuclear weapon.

1:21:54 I mean, Trump is primarily to blame because he pulled out of it, to hit him and say if he releases that money then they're going to say oh biden's funding the taliban government and exactly where all the money would go but it seems to be the general consensus that But that is exactly what they're using it for. policy called title 42, which is the pandemic policy where if somebody comes in to the country

1:24:46 They might try to privatize it. He bombed Syria. nothing will fundamentally change to a room full of like wealthy donors. people realized, oh, these global supply chains are a pandemic for them to realize like, oh, maybe global supply chains are kind of a problem. interesting. In the midterms, you saw the Democrats did pretty well in the Rust Belt. And that was

1:27:43 They take the most big money from pharma, from Wall Street. I mean, they're swimming in donor I know. someone the incentive to become independent? I mean, my theory on this, and I don't know for sure, like John McCain. McCain was like a liberal Republican. She was trying to be a conservative Another thing. So they're either going to take it off that list or they're going to make it like Schedule 2 or 3.

1:30:29 It's the most preposterous thing we have going. Canada's federal government granted the request by the West Coast province to try out the three-year experiment. As long as you can drink alcohol and take prescription medication that can kill you, It's like we have 100,000 overdoses a year now. addicts, we got to get them off this stuff, let's ban it, let's crack down. But the unintended

1:32:59 with that fentanyl so then we're propping up this incredible illegal business in Mexico, which is, you know, getting them immense power. the streets to determine who the next leader was going to be of course and so it got way worse They'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? And that was a response to the psychedelic movement in the 1960s.

1:34:48 It was out in the open. Yeah. are drugs that by their very nature the way they're made like you could rot your teeth out of This is crazy. Like, what's wrong with you? The reality is when you have safe injection sites, My understanding was that, so they did it in New York City. I have. I've interviewed him. He's phenomenal. teetotaler wasn't doing anything and then he was realizing this is all bullshit and

1:37:31 He does phenomenal writing. Right. That's absolutely illegal, but people have had great benefits in going to Mexico and going to these Ibogaine retreats. What it does is the people that have taken it. Oh say Ibogaine is a disassociative psychedelic with And nothing else would. What trauma have they experienced when they were younger And so these things have tremendous benefit, but we've had some very weird approach that we've had

1:40:45 So. Yeah. You know, when you're in college and you're going to class and you're fucking off, you know, you don't really have much direction overall. probably when i was in college is when it was first getting big but i took it more as like a of like people fucking having heart attacks and shit. guarana as ingredients, and the It started at Ohio State and then went off.

1:43:20 I didn't want to fucking sell cars. He would drink a big Foster's can. what are we going to call this and other incidents as blackout in a can can you order it on Alibaba and JD.com, where it's sometimes being advertised as blackout We should have a Four Loko episode. You guys drinking four local will be crazy. This is almost like shots of liquor. I have thought they were.

1:45:41 here. He pardoned her. They combine forces. Think about all the shit that he said to Ted Cruz and all those other people. Then he got a phone call from his billionaire He fell in line. So if you have a race with 10 different Republicans, nine of them are not Donald Trump. Yeah, you're the one. to get in a room behind closed doors, talk it out and say, look, we all have egos here, but we got

1:48:32 because, you know, it's first past the post voting. And Crystal and I, and Sagar as well, we've been having this debate back and forth because there right she was one of trump's favorites she lost doug mastriano ran for governor in pennsylvania He wasn't like, he sort of lost his normie touch a little bit. I did read that. Correct. Yeah. They're going to make you sign in.

1:51:30 We all do. just the band people go there and they don't even have the liberals there that they want to dunk on all the time, Not on me. They're going to send me a message. And you had to wait to get in there. Well, there was a lot of talk about people, the progressive people banning or bailing Nobody went anywhere. Bye bye. But it became the place.

1:53:37 We're close. I met him at a gun range once. I'm not following anyone. like Twitter. It looks exactly like Twitter. Yeah, this is exactly like Okay, here we go. Oh my God. She's like, I say the same thing about the fucking Saudi lobby. MAGA. soften their approach. And so it's a very When all of his candidates shit the bed, What is that? That's not big.

1:56:10 over youtube and facebook just lied about the numbers and when the advertisers figured that This is amazing. Yeah, I mean, that's the smart thing to do, right? So are you on video on Spotify as well? Yeah, I don't know how many video podcasts there are on Spotify now. Yeah, how many videos are on Spotify? Yeah, somebody had taken my name before me.

1:58:01 I mean, it's impossible to get in contact with these fucking Get started here. video. Yeah. I mean, I'm way bigger. Audio doesn't go viral. It's kind of a new medium the way they do with the short videos, and it just sort of captured the generation, the younger generation. But I also read an article by a software engineer I think they both make a very good case.

2:00:52 where they were, they're illegally collecting all of our metadata. Like there was one time I was talking to Crystal, What are the odds? Sneaky little bitch. It's a messaging app. There's only a million on TikTok? $988 million is just below that. I don't even know what that is. I'm too old for this shit. So it's the WhatsApp of China, right? talk to Zuckerberg. We WhatsApp each

2:03:43 I mean, my understanding is that encryption was the way to protect yourself from that. of it yeah yeah which is wild. They monitor people's... You couldn't even DM it. Yeah, for sure. much, people were like, Jesus fucking Christ, this is crazy. This is insane. It's such an overreach so much. Yeah. People are like, Jesus fucking Christ, this is crazy. This is insane.

2:05:34 Like, look, okay, like, they've done some good work, right? Yeah. Yeah. There it is. You better take it before your filthy, abnormal, fraudulent self is bared to the nation. I repeat, no person can argue successfully against the facts. led up to it, why they did it, what the people were saying to each other behind the scenes, exploited. That guy was a vicious dictator. He was toppled by Fidel Castro. And then it was the

2:09:12 So what happened with Saudi Arabia that this relationship soured? Anyway, yeah, so Biden, you know, mouthed some of the right things about Jamal Khashoggi. war in Ukraine, there's a lot of issues with the oil market where it's not doing well. And so when And we were just pretending, Trump was pretending, like, yeah, that's the president now. It became a super poor state, massively high inflation almost overnight because we cracked down on them.

2:11:55 I feel like it's actually very similar to you when you're interested in something you go down a rabbit hole and you'll read everything about and hit the points that I know I need to hit. still probably going to only come up with one tenth the amount of money I would need to even I like to share the things that I read that I think are interesting. burn pit victims who are u.s veterans they voted that down they said no we're not going to give

2:14:36 and it passed. And so when I look at that, I think like, yes, that's like, I see my role similar to i think are actually interesting that i think they should know that uh should be the news of the day The actual things that are going on are crazy enough Because they're the beneficiaries of the system. And then they're getting their news, many people, from one hour mainstream news broadcast where they do a cursory examination of a few very specific topics.

2:17:08 And then they let it expire. for every child who is six or younger, six or younger, six or older. Anyway, one grouping was $3,000. The other group was $3,600 per child. And that had, it was an amazing impact. I mean, lives. See what they spend the money on and all that stuff. So they did this program. 37% of the I mean, all the evidence that we have right now is yes.

2:19:32 And it just helps people. greatly benefit people. Yeah. I mean, we have a tremendous body of evidence that redistribution And you can fact check me on that, Jamie. they kept that number, $500 a month to get people who need the money the fucking money. That's all got sour on the like deep in the grind and thought they were going to be rewarded for it. And then all of a sudden,

2:22:48 That's crazy. But imagine being somebody who doesn't like your job. Yeah. Well, I've been that person in the past. Me too, yeah. You have lucky. I'm lucky. We happen to do things that we really like. But imagine being somebody who doesn't like your job. It's night and day. something they don't want to do, they're barely even getting ahead. What percentage of people

2:24:18 And then I believe the least happy were lawyers, people who work like work work kind of office jobs and probably Some artists are tortured, you know? Nature golf, but it is nature. Well. Yeah, you're out Well, I knew a guy who got severe cancer, and he was one of many people in his neighborhood What? Pryor apparently had a hypersensitivity to the chemical

2:27:11 Roundup. It's extraordinary. Parts per million of something the health consequences of the situation Yeah. and they gave him five minutes and the guy was trying to hurry him along. And Will talks in a this altruistic person that's only you know doing these things because he's a philanthropist those donations were sizable in the hundreds of millions of dollars,

2:30:17 That's the sort of conflict of interest shit that you're never going to get good, unbiased, from Lockheed Martin or from Raytheon war. Like, what are we talking about here? as well. Of course. And so, you know, I think they're doing the right thing by promoting those we're still not as affected as we could be. And it's all because of YouTube. That's very unfortunate.

2:32:39 freedom of speech is not freedom of reach. And we're going to like not spread far and wide the And he's, you know, he also, somebody asked him about, hey, are you going to bring Alex Jones back on the platform? There's going to be some things where you can't do that. essence of debate. And that's how we come to an understanding of what's real and what's not.

2:34:36 you could pull out and say well what about this and it's hard but you know what doesn't matter like they used to have, path and going towards down that pipeline where they like some alt-right troll or whatever. And then it's like, you know what? I watched you. I thought you were fair and how you debunked it and you won me over. And that they're a part of and then they say things and lean towards things that this group accepts that's

2:36:03 i love this kyle guy man He's right about everything That's a little different. is that I do know that some people get sucked into the QAnon stuff and all the wacky shit, or you're not diligent enough to look at the possibility that it's nonsense and look at the Well, I've heard you talk about that many times before. But it makes sense, right? I always look at a post now when I see people getting angry at things.

2:39:03 the things we learned from the twitter files lee fong did some great reporting of the intercept um they the u.s government asked for special status for certain um accounts that would push there was a huge bot problem with pro-Saudi bots. The bot thing is so strange because that was one of the main contentions when Elon was buying it. See, I didn't know if he was trying to do that to get a better negotiating position

2:40:16 Prove it to me. but also you would like to know, you know, you know, there's millions and millions of people that are What? And then Musk tweets, sure sounds like higher than 5%. Yeah, while tagging the article. I mean, I do find it is – everything's always better face-to-face. Yeah. The holier than thou thing. I mean, there's a lot of that on the left where people be like,

2:43:11 and they have a healthy understanding of their own biases and why are they saying what they're And it could be over nonsense. And it could be about nothing. I go watch this I press a button I got a And I see him getting obsessed because he's pro-Android. There he is. But like, I don't want to ban the social media platforms, Some people live for it.

2:46:19 issue from when you were a kid probably we're just not designed to communicate in text is so Yeah. And I'm super convinced it's a troll. That's been around for a while. Oh, I know somebody who fell for it. They were just playing it like it was real. told me it was real. get paid off. Gambling stuff, right, blow the whistle and if he made that layup which he was going to that was game and so then it went

2:49:18 like, ah. His arm gets hacked. Well, that's crazy if the referee had some sort of tie to the Celtics. which is even more insidious. You don't even need to go levels deeper than that it to go so everyone thinks they fucking scripted it well people always think fights are fixed did And so the wrapped area is hard and no padding at all, Because the first one was close.

2:52:29 winning the remainder of the round and even had Deontay hurt at one point in time I think that like, look, like if you, people were thinking, see how his hand is moving back like that? I thought that first fight, I thought Deontay did win. and then he gets up at 10. It shouldn't be up to the referee to decide the pace of the count. Oh. Eight, nine, ten.

2:55:11 Yeah. Wow. Yes. Yes. was it a Discord server? the UFC banned gambling for any of its athletes. Wow. Yeah. I mean, I think any of the trainers oh, let's abolish all crime. It's not possible. Right. It was going to do with some level of Yeah. They know they can fuck up anybody, and so they're just sweet. I love that guy. don't know if you'd call him the Michael Jordan of the UFC I think that you'd say

2:59:34 who had that Dutch kickboxing style, Now, you put a guy like that up against a jiu-jitsu expert. He was just a really good striker. You know, like Alex Pajeda, who is the UFC middleweight champion, You're going to get hit with a knee or a punch. No, no. fight. It was because everybody knew that You remember Bob Sapp? It's not that he didn't have any skills.

3:02:44 That's him at his most fit. Look at the who only weighed like 250 pounds, Yeah, he fought in the Ultimate Fighter. And he was supposed to be fighting Ken Shamrock. place. And I found out I'm like this. And so it's a six second knockout. So it's me in, there's a video of me backstage If I'm wrong, you'll never see this. and you're like, bro, nobody can beat this guy up.

3:05:48 during a light workout a couple of drops are dripping from my head. did that kind of wrestling, but I forget. which is their proving ground. No shit. vulnerable people, but we don't want to destroy our economy. And he allowed people to make their So that's your big thing that you like about him is he was a little more live and let live on the COVID stuff.

3:08:34 For no reason. Shutting down all these businesses in a time where they were already struggling. He was indoor dining. None of those people down arbitrarily, gyms, the places where people can be the most healthy, they decided to do these So I understand that. We'll wrap this up. and you're the expert. People don't drink as much as they should. which I think probably affected it.

3:11:24 Yeah, no, that's for sure. Right thing. Anyway. And there's a bunch of things about him that Jamie, if you want, you can pull that up. also like like i want to know the context i I want, I mean, that's a quote. No, not yet. voted for a minimum wage increase. They wanted to make it 15. And leading into that, DeSantis said, He took $20 million from Wall Street.

3:14:49 with a new sales tax. Yeah. governor of Florida, and you know how big Disney is, and then the other thing is so there's a big sugarcane industry in florida and they lead to Yeah, they say that because of those sugarcane burn fields, there's increased risk of cancer and red tide. it, that's like a common agricultural around, hey, we got to regulate this.

3:17:04 Yeah. general election. I think even half-dead Joe Biden can defeat Trump again, given that- That's right. It would be Trump. but, like, ideologically, the problem is And then you have Marianne Williamson, who I think she would run in the spirit of FDR. She would say, we got to go back to the Democratic Party used to be the documents? Yeah. Yeah. and he'll think 2028 is my time. That's what he'll think. But, you know, a lot of these people are secretly

3:21:01 crazy. Let's go back in this direction. But it's still the era of the outsider. People still want breaking loose. Let's get some people with good out the Kyle Klinsky show. It is on Crystal Ball and I do a show together. We do if you're in the Austin area, come to sparring, going back and forth Always good to see you.