Joe Rogan Experience #1936 — Krystal Ball & Saagar Enjeti Transcript

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0:00 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day and I was like, I had like, Like, Do you remember that? this sort of thing. is the other thing. And then they did the reboot of it, People still, in their head, I feel like that's the picture they get of Tucker. Yeah, and then they did the remake with Newt Gingrich. And then Essie Cuff is actually a long time.

2:49 yeah I think And when I get to hear from a reasonable person on the left and a reasonable person on the right who respect each other, it's like it gives me hope like, hey, we can all get along like we can sort through what's debates on topics that are you know difficult and tense and fraught and be able to do that day after my dad and i'm just like dad like crystals what i believe and dad is like i'm with saga on some

4:58 People are abandoning them in droves. If this isn't the thing for you, you owe it to yourself to go somewhere else where you're I'm telling you, I'm right. You feel like you should engage who pay, like help support the show and they'll be like i pay ten dollars a month and like i pay you to become more and more untenable it just becomes ridiculous yeah you can't bigger and bigger, the numbers become more and more untenable.

7:24 You guys know you're good. person that's in your head now you know the toughest thing actually was when we you're gonna take me on fox i don't care i don't care i don't actually want to be on fox i'm like Yes. And you know, where it's very difficult to sort through all the propaganda you know, we still do like fun and stupid and silly topics or whatever

10:40 what's going on in the world. that people feel like they can trust I'm like, here's everything I got wrong. That is like number one the You're supposed to be the New York Times. This is one of the primary ways that we've been gaslit in this conflict. not only their military, but their government, their economy, etc. When they're taking that This is from a past monologue I've done.

13:55 I think it's an atrocity. you know, the buildup to it and how we got here and all of those things, I think at the very base level, And this is a thing that there's a lot of videos out now. I love the fact I kind of know how the pieces move, but I've really only played like maybe 10 times my whole life. Yes. with guns. If you take away all the guns that everybody has and no more military, we're fucked.

17:12 Terrible for you. But then they can't handle it. Millions are displaced. We have no idea what the end game is like. And just what Crystal was saying, I have this thing where the Fight Club line on a long enough timeline, I'm like, on a Biden says no now. I'm not saying it's just that Russia took Crimea in 2013, of the way that the great superpowers actually consider their own nuclear first strike use.

20:05 So they must just be bluffing. Number one. Thank God there's people like you guys out there, because there's so many people that The factors are and how it got to be that way in the first place and you're not going to hear that in a five-minute there are American flags. It's like Ukraine flag, gay pride flag, no American flag. But something I think people should take home, too, is you had Peter Zayhan on. He said it really well,

23:26 Look, we are barely a year into this. went on and ultimately came to the conclusion they were, was because millions of lives were lost. without just being smeared as a propagandist. So people are questioning, even though they're being fed so much propaganda. I think your hope is 100% correct. Like, I talked to Dave Smith about the history of the conflict between Russia and Ukraine.

25:53 It's like Gideon something, the guy from the Times, and we want to take Robin and bring him over to our side. their hard red lines. And we're very fearful. And they laid out exactly the trajectory that we could Again, that's you're not allowed to talk about that. We are being fed a narrative that Russia made a big move and there was no other moves.

28:46 points that the other side says because then you would give them some sort of credit in winning Okay. And then a lot of people on the right are like, hey, you know, this guy, it's actually think it was maybe two billion two billion for his fun that's a baller friend to have yeah but if I mean, now it may not be illegal, but that's an issue in and of itself.

30:41 But to your point about, you know, censorship and the the total lack of willingness to challenge your own side's narrative, did you just see this Columbia Journalism Review report that came out about Russiagate? There were other villains as well, but the New York Times is the main player. They were more interested in feeding that audience what they wanted to hear than actually

32:25 happened. And it's it is astonishing. And they wonder then they turn around and wonder, like, You are right. Because this is a wild game that other people are playing on our behalf with money that they've gotten from our taxes, Right. And I'm curious to know how you guys feel about your ability to be completely independent outside of that and how that's affected the way you think about things.

35:47 You don't have the notion. He was a hockey commentator. Yes, I know. So, I mean, am I And I just bought into the corporate line. And I was allowed to say it, right? Yeah. You know, and that's so that's the way that it works. If you're connected financially, if you're connected in a friendship way, that's why cronyism works. Like if anybody ever comes to me with any kind of criticism of Dana White,

38:52 So it's like, you're not, It's just like I don't think that's necessary. We're friends. and Fox to be a part of the bundle. The vast majority of the profit of these cable channels comes from the bundle. That's that's the number one thing still propping them up today. country together and that people helped use to make sense of their life or even the story about the American dream. A lot of these things are kind of breaking down. Now,

42:40 made up every aspect of his life. Drag-ish. I have a very good friend who texted me today and he told me, I'm here with this guy who knew you from Boston and this and that and that and this. Look at those FTX execs maxed out on donations. Look at that American flag fucking pin on the lapel. He's a full on con man. like a reflection of the holes and vulnerabilities in society.

45:38 We've got it all. When I first came to D.C., you get to the White House and you're like, holy shit, this is the White House. video game. hurt in the financial crash. Maybe they feel like it was disproportionately young men. Right. So Because it all is this whole. And he talks a lot. So there's a big college imbalance right now where a lot of men are dropping out of college.

49:06 they die much earlier. They're much less likely to exercise, much less likely to fulfill a more It's a big cultural problem. And that's real. I go, yeah, by other men, you fucking idiot. They would sit down. We'll see what happens there. class, on the working class, where it becomes so much harder to be able to fulfill that cultural LulaRoe. That's it.

52:57 She feels about it. I'm a non-criticizer of my wife's that's that's a good. That's a good idea But so I mean the thing that they sold Yeah, you sell them to other people who like cool shit. And over time, the quality of the leggings degrade. because someone should tell them how fly those leggings Let's go. Oh, did you? and you're in your 20s. you know, your hormones are flying, right?

55:31 You know, he called it, we both called it way in advance. Because you know all his competition is doing the same shit, right? Tour de France is a dirty sport. Brian Fogle? It's a dirty business. And that's just what it is. Right. People are accusing Oscar De La Hoya of having them now. Good for him. Like, there's certain people that just have bizarre

57:50 That is just like, what is going on there? His entire hormone stack. You know what it is? Yeah. So to some people, That's the optimal physique There's no way. You have to be really fucking healthy to allow all those tissues to recover and nourish them and then stay that lean. I think that there's been a bunch of people that are openly taking performance-enhancing drugs and have enormous social media platforms.

1:00:56 I think the real responsibility that someone has when you're in that situation, if you years. Like you are not going to look like Liver King overnight. And that's actually important to And he was like, yeah, it doesn't look great. I'm like fat kid in college station. Have you really thought that's all it took to get jacked? Yeah, I'm like, that's all it takes. I would have bought the supplements. I would have bought the, you know, if I was 18 years old. Absolutely. I'm like fat kid in college station.

1:02:48 arguing it's like oh this is just a character that I'm playing but it's like amazing on the daily show when he went and did did the roast of the president at the White House Correspondents with George Last time we were here- I got that from you. I've had dinner with the folks at dancing with Chuck Schumer? Of course. But that is what was when they were discussing the Tonight And if you wanted to be the – That's true. That's why Jay Leno hid in the closet when they were discussing The Tonight Show.

1:05:14 I was like aware it was on the internet, but that there seems something comfortable about that mass They never bought the narrative. you know, CNN has a new boss and he's saying different things and trying to, it's like, And then you had a couple of really ideological actors. I mean, anywhere that's ad supported, you're going to have that same dynamic.

1:07:24 She accused that guy of rape. So people don't want their advertising. I mean, we, you know, Yes. Yes. And managing the insane amount of content that goes through YouTube. It's fucking impossible. So you were good. Maybe one if we had Alex Jones on or something. So you would self-censor. that doesn't mean necessarily that we agree like a live stream so that's Biden I mean are we supposed to interject every time he says something

1:10:56 You just play it, and then you're like, well, he might be a crook. And so it makes it a challenging situation. Same. Yeah. Supposedly. they've never been able to uncover like a large scale. One of the only ones recently that may We're like, here's the lawsuit. today, how corrupt our elections actually used to be? Anyway, LBJ is never president without stealing that election.

1:14:44 OK, so you think that there was John Kerry, right? It was Gore. No, that was Bush the greatest election fraud yeah i mean you got the secretary what was it this okay so you think that there was john kerry right it was gore no that was bush v gore The Diebold machines had a third-party input available where a third party could input information that would change the numbers.

1:15:56 Wasn't there some Cheney connection there too? We had no heartbeat. He's a creepy one. And he was just the quail hunt wow No one's going to be offended. Like, this is a turkey I shot. In fact, the pioneers that traveled across the country during the Daniel Boone days, Yeah. Clay Newcomb is the Bear Grease podcast. the favorite food. Well, there's pictures of me with a dead bear.

1:19:02 oh, there's a beautiful animal in the forest and it's also a teddy bear. So she scared the male bear off of the cub Yeah. released from a fox I look like a bird. These are all like two, The V-chip or something like that? Oh, yeah, there it is not allowed And I was like, holy shit. fucking no clothes on in my Yeah, I was traveling around the country.

1:22:05 This is outrageous. I'm not saying any of it should be like censored, But don't swear when you go to school or get in trouble. But eventually that information is going to get to her. appearances. That's what I'm saying here. Like, I don't do that. I'm not going to name check. and new phrases? Wait, is that the one their style guide or whatever. Yes. Oh my god. That is an affliction.

1:24:49 Is a problematic word Was just a You are not allowed to say It's a compliment. is grandfather. Oh, That's so dumb. Yeah, here it goes. I like this one. Even a 90-10 workplace Yeah, but are you really taking offense at that? No, they want to keep pushing. the pillow guy, Definitely no porn. you're not going to get it in your feed. I love that guy. Yeah.

1:28:31 I'm so left wing on so many different things. i think there's a lot of people who feel like you do joe where they just don't i mean i was so left That's not an anti-Semitic statement. It has everything to do with organization and, yes, money, just like every other fucking interest in D.C. And so, yeah, the fact that she said that and she got kicked off the Foreign Affairs Committee.

1:30:47 There's many people that have that opinion, and they should be represented. And he would go out there and just like go right up to the line of basically saying, yeah, we got the goods on Trump and Russia. It's crazy. It's hard to resist. You're a fucking nerd. As long as I don't tell her any secrets. He looks like a fucking dork. Listen. You didn't need to send in a 10.

1:33:20 She was like the Russian one. You're right. I think she was elected to the Duma was her goal it's all like soft power stuff like i think a lot of it's related to trying getting so the idea was to get close to If you look at it, they explicitly, when they banned Google, Facebook and all that, they're like, they're going to use it to shape our population and spy on us.

1:35:01 I mean, the funny thing is, it really is like, it's such a shell game because like, we know Well, so I don't know, but it was spotted actually over one of the three sites in the United States, which has intercontinental ballistic missiles. Just stick it in your face? I mean, especially at the State Department and Biden, they were like, don't do this.

1:36:07 We've got a special trip for you. Well, how did it drift off course then, if they have the ability to maneuver? Like it's large. Oh, I know. That's too obvious, though. I don't roll my eyes. hole. This is more important things to concentrate on that are UFO experts, they're all men. Black people. We don't need. fly in the ointment of your carry here.

1:39:10 I just think there's a lot more evidence There was well it was in Asia and this was during the time before the Ice Age when the Bering land bridge was available They found the site where these things were recovered. But that doesn't mean they didn't exist 50,000 years ago or 10,000 years ago. One of them was the Hobbit man from the island of Flores.

1:41:14 Orang Pendek. And by the way, hairy, ape-like creature that is similar to what's been spotted in Vietnam and in other parts of the And they think that these Homo floriensis were really like close to human. I can't imagine but stepping back and dreaming of like Earth. We't even know what it looked like 2500 bc right beyond that we have there's there's enough there that we we can't but be interested. We're like, what's happening?

1:43:20 we're going to have stories about this creature. It would walk upright like or a black bear? It was a black bear and a brown bear. Wow. El Jefe is the only jaguar in the United States that's been spotted in the United States. that's crazy look at him look at that fucking beautiful thing i wonder how long jaguars live It's an amazing, amazing animal if there's only one.

1:45:54 And you're like, man, that's pretty scary. in BC and he Jesus. Yeah. Jersey, New Jersey has bear hunt. Because people think, you know, most Far Rockaway is like New York City suburbs, right? God damn it. They're fucking huge. They're piling out into the streets. imagine from a Disney movie. Wow. But this is what happens when you don't control predators.

1:50:02 Like, if you think about Buffalo and the range and the conquering of the old west. So I have a friend who has a ranch either for war But in Texas, Yeah. Yeah, that's true. fast when you hit it. What happened? Let's see if you can pull a photo of a Neal guy up. And that is an animal that evolved around tigers. Yeah. because they evolved around tigers

1:53:23 like if you don't have any skills I Oh, my God. I've been watching and I was like, yeah, man, I gotta get prepared. And I'm like, And when you learn about indigenous tribes or, you know, I read a lot of history, you know, like the Mongols and you're into as well. People are so adaptable. And if you were born into a nomadic tribe that traveled around

1:54:54 is that we have achieved a very high level of sophistication, And like what happened? Alexandria and it includes that 10,000 year old coastline of Antarctica. massive impacts all over the earth. As much as 30% of the earth shows evidence of this. which is like almost every day, All the known knowledge that you get off the Internet is no longer available to you.

1:57:29 We've been playing with it. We're're doing a live show tonight in austin and well it'll be last night by the time this comes out probably but um we put into the chat Have you heard Lex Friedman talk about it, though? are projecting. He was really trying to pour cold water on that idea, It didn't have a chat function. like the image generators and whatever that it it kind of blew

2:00:26 And I think within five years, it's going to be better at us. We're going to have a discussion in class. Yeah. I need to pee too. Chat TPT. Yeah, they laid off. Fire people. for you. And I think if you want to get better at whatever you're doing that requires writing, Whereas, you know, I mean, the same as staring at the blank piece of paper So some of them are going to be great.

2:03:55 and like makes a point that you feel like I think that's great. with. I'm butchering it. But that is what you could possibly get out of higher education today, of yeah it's a credential you know it's a credential that's what it is i mean i will say And then we're doing all these segments about the Fed. There's a lot of arguments about certain politicians never would have gone if the Fed

2:06:45 falling slightly. We've been talking a lot about the used car industry. Car loans are a total And you're like, holy shit. if you didn't have a PhD in economics. And it hasn't always been like that in American history. undertold stories of our era is the we're talking a lot about incentives earlier. And like it started with hedging. shows you how much of our whole economy big picture is basically fake, geared towards

2:10:14 into the Apple bundle. Tim Cook's great, there's a great book, I forget exactly the name, I think You invest in paying $299 for that iCloud bubble. Like I can't even believe this is real. like, we were promised flying cars and all we got was 140 characters, except now we have 280 I don't know. What's fascinating is there's a never-ending push towards technological innovation that

2:12:40 And so you're going to have people there. There's a bunch of just keeping up with the Joneses materialism So much of public companies in particular, Elon and Bezos and Bill Gates. And there's no doubt his company is big. He's got close ties value, which also hid how bad their like debt situation was, that his brother was controlling were using Mauritius-based shell companies to have cash there that they actually owned to buy

2:15:59 If his companies did not prop up and not was invested in by the I think it's the State Bank of India. 2.5 billion dollars raise more cash for the company, whatever. Now, listen, I want to be clear was basically like to try to rally the troops Wow. Good question. And it was only 2008 that brought him down. If they were really super geniuses that were like pulling off some amazing financial move,

2:18:42 That's why it looks like they got so overextended at Alameda, I just feel like with so many of these crypto bubbles and schemes and whatever, You have to have some sort of... there was actually some effort to investigate him He happens to have donated to all of them. Yeah, specifically about this guy. And so did that lead to the regulators saying like, don't touch the crypto industry. What are you doing? But he happens to have donated to all of them.

2:20:51 And also where I thought it was the most important was the idea of being able to get around sanctions, So the idea of the censorship free money, it's possible if you know how to do it. it's the same thing as if I were trying to wire them money to a prohibited group in Canada. The problem is when you have the wild, wild west, the people are going to rise to the top.

2:23:46 When you see how bankrupt are and corrupt are existing financial institutions are and how rigged and how much they lie and how captured the political system is. think this went but is that inevitable yeah i think it was that's some new emerging thing you're There was a ton of charlatans. And there was just tons of fraud, charlatans, people lying, all this stuff.

2:26:31 at this and being like, this system is fucked. We need to just like do our own thing like this. supposed to do? I actually get that. I don't know. I'm really of two minds of it. On the one hand, the system, just at a baseline level, it would help a lot. Locked off the stage. And a lot of these guys, and, you know, they'll claim, like, look, I don't have any inside information.

2:28:29 who are expert at this He has nothing to do with... He knew, they knew, she knew, they knew. But when you look at the numbers overall and you're like, all you motherfuckers are beating the market. He's really one of the guys who sparked this whole movement. And we went through the exact Senate. He loops it all together They're all within the graph.

2:30:31 And that's the other thing with Paul Pelosi. i actually be curious or with the 2022 s and yeah there you go so eight s&p 500 is down 18 Yeah. And the top is red. And wasn't it incredibly revealing her response in that moment? There was a lot of pressure. Politicians heard it. They had to do something. That floats upward with the outrage. And, you know, Biden, to his credit, when he was a senator, he actually had a personal role for himself.

2:33:55 Well, and again, like Republican, you know, all these people like the Republican holdouts or Kevin McCarthy posturing like populist or whatever. Honestly, there's a lot of Republican lawmakers who are obsessed with the JRE. That's, you know, look, these people, they're never going to do anything because it's the right thing. So we need to make it and create a system where right now it's politically advantageous to sell

2:35:24 Just let one politician say it. Right now we've had like maybe two who've ever raised any lead us to world war three as possible it's certainly possible what but when we were talking Is there a way to negotiate a way out of this? None of them are asking any questions about diplomacy. It's very really what it is, is this very easy to do it's like you're ridiculous like it's not easy to do it's a complex situation be

2:38:10 was dispatched to go to Kiev and give the message to Zelensky. We do not want negotiations. So the thing that I object to is the idea that is sold by Biden and others of like, oh, it's just it's just up to Ukraine. long. Like, how do we get to some sort of exit ramp in Ukraine? China? and the influence but he went on this very, I thought I saw a clip that was floating around there.

2:40:33 I knew he was there to talk about China. I'll tell you right now. Who's running this country? The war machine. It certainly isn't Joe Biden making these decisions. by the former prime minister of Germany. That's why we're doing the Ukraine war. It's the third that has the oil. Nord Stream, man. They're like, we may never know. We may never know. money in washington they they go you know revolving door not just from like government officials but

2:43:58 ourselves and arming Ukraine. And then the Biden administration made him come up and, quote, It was over a trillion dollars. They cost a shitload of money. in Iraq. There's no consequences to this either. That's a great question. That was only 39%. Our entire economy is $15 trillion. Yeah, we can't afford that. Even with terms of Ukraine, there was a great, this is a great media episode.

2:47:24 It was out of date. They said it was out of date. They said it was out of date. Military aid or overall? States. He could wake up tomorrow if he wanted to and ship any weapon system in possession of Can you imagine that lady with her finger on the button? You know she would start a war with Russia. criticism against it was uniform across the board with the

2:50:13 I mean, I think Trump was subject to the same forces. who were blown up during the surge in Afghanistan. And I also know how much it hurts them emotionally to watch ground that they fought and lost their brothers for, lost soldiers get blown up by an IED? I'm sorry, I don't think so. I think there's a lot of bad held on to Bagram. We shouldn't have abandoned the military base or whatever in that. And that's

2:53:38 Well, it can be. It was a British semiconductor company. It's one of the reasons why if you look at Chinese or American businessmen who do business reached a point where in some cases they don't even need our IP. In some areas, they are far A huge part of the Tesla EV battery supply chain is in China. but it takes a decade to spin those things up. They create 92% of the world's most advanced chips.

2:57:12 everything goes dark. story, less like gloom and doom. The Biden administration has like dipped their toe in So they have dipped their toe in the water of having industrial policy that makes us more resilient, less reliant on these other countries, including the Inflation Reduction Act had a lot in it for bringing that green energy production and EV

2:58:52 in South America, in Mexico, in Chile and elsewhere rebuild it overnight. It's very, very, very difficult. And then even if to intelligently invest in it. And a lot of this is ideological. So another thing with the I think they have a lot of problems. Solar in particular power comes from nuclear. We get more power from coal, I believe, here in Texas, I think only 13% or whatever of our power comes from nuclear. We get more power from

3:01:35 why do we do that? It's cheap. It's a lot more expensive to have to bury these things underground. Listen, we subsidize the shit out of the oil industry. We have to be honest about that. Right. Why are the Republicans opposed to sending more arms to Ukraine? Jamie, you might be able to look it up what the actual vote count was on the extra 50 billion to Ukraine. I'm not 100 or at least the original 50 billion. It was almost unanimous

3:04:42 These are mostly more libertarian types. willing to unanimously against it. And Democrats just like let it expire without a peep. And so again, it's like, you know, If you want to see it, Jamie, it's from the National Bureau of Economic Research. away the unemployment benefits, all of the anecdotal stories of like, I can't get somebody baby bump that happened from 2020 and 2021, we've almost never had that happen before.

3:08:39 There's a real reorientation going on, especially for like white collar workers who were very wrapped up in And you see all these people moving to different areas, of course, correct. Yeah. I mean, I think it's, listen, the three of us, we get to do things that are other things that are outside of the workplace that are more meaningful to me that provide me

3:10:49 I found it. I think it's great. Thanks to you, man. Consume your show Wherever you get your podcasts