Joe Rogan Experience #1945 — Eric Weinstein Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience I mean, there is no trace of me talking about UFOs, I think, before three years ago because I can't stand the topic. I don't think, I don't know if there's ever footage of me saying the words Bob Lazar. You know, there's always this question about is Bob Lazar a physicist? And people believe it. We want to discuss. which is there is this crazy history between around 1953 and 1973 with an explosion of activity

3:45 the patent job. And there's like a meeting called the Marcel Grossman meeting. So he's a shadowy because Bohr and the quantum have so many open problems So my entry point was that when I was a young guy at the University of Pennsylvania, when I'd come home to L.A. for break, I'd go out to Caltech and I would park in Feynman or Gelman's parking spaces, which I just thought was the coolest thing in the world, that these people, these gods had little, you know, stones with their names stenciled on it.

6:02 And Feynman says, let's just imagine this was an ordinary field in a certain level, but they're very similar looking at a different level. So this has been So it doesn't make any sense. Island in the tip of Long Island. And they didn't invite the old people as much as they invited the and people like Feynman were smart. Now it's wood. And when we realized that they weren't the same number, suddenly the theory yielded. So it was a 20-year stagnation

9:54 And then I always set this problem this way. I say, if you subtract the screens in our lives, The difference between 1973 and 2023 is mostly due to computers. It's actually a very good point too, in terms of one of the major industries You don't want to get that fast. What I was going to say is they're all reliant on computers now. There's something about them that's very satisfying.

12:16 You're not directly connected to it. magnets and steel right all this kind of stuff i appreciate an automatic transmission as a thing If you have any fucking spark left in you when you're on a windy road, you want to go wah, wah. It's gross. You guys are all passion and wine and sound. You can't have fake Ferrari sounds. Okay. egghead shit it isn't physics is basically progress physics created the modern economy and

16:12 And the neutron doomed us as a species. It's basically the same kind of a deal but with no charge. Shout out to the University of Chicago Stadium, which could have obliterated the city of Chicago if it had gone critical, right? to go out and radiate out against the shell. And I think we still don't talk exactly how we do it. And this power we can't control.

19:13 And we were so scared for 70 years, because it's six months between 1952 and 53, We should probably say that this is actually the day that we're talking about. or who he really is, whether he was an actor, et cetera, et cetera. And I thought, why is this person allowed to address Congress? Right. And so when we say, you know, we respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine. We were fighting right now in Lvov, like the Ukrainians were fighting in Lvov, eight seconds by hypersonic missile from Article 5 territory since 1999 in Poland.

22:16 Because I knew we were fighting way too close to this border. So my family basically was scattered throughout the shtetls of Ukraine. And I've been over there You know, that thing makes us. And I don't know what this is. us who actually get how risky this is need to speak up because it's not fun. The entire apparatus will tell you And then there's another thing called spheres of influence where it's like that's the Russian sphere of influence.

26:24 And the world is gonna go multipolar and we don't have the skill to play this game period is dangerous. People like yourself are telling us this is dangerous. But to the rest of the world, But it is. Everything's fine. Every single town that he drove through, about Epstein. We don't know what's going on with the vaccines. We don't understand the source of

29:17 Brett Weinstein had good input. the ship. And what we're being, what's happening to us? I said this to Sam at a dinner with Dave Not sure I understand what you were just saying there. or at two o'clock. And you don't know whether I'm going to be arriving by a white Prius or a black food? I don't know. I don't know how much. It's a very good question. Right. Okay. So just every

32:27 Bullshit. because he's different. about using light... But that's the thing. It doesn't make sense, and then I'll correct it like I'm trying not to be married to my thoughts And I'll think about that when I'm driving my car. really good at it. And in the meanwhile, you might not be good at interpersonal relationships. You And he's really good at that shit.

35:31 that he's a dum-dum. If they got in debate about religion, if they got in debate about certain things that Sam Sam doesn't know what's coming to him, if that's true, Look, one way to win one of these arguments is just say, But it wins, right? Okay. Who wins? The three dudes, okay? Okay. I don't know what CPAC-Tuckro is. i destroyed my left ankle on this game oh you can't be doing that you can't

38:31 requires like a kind of dexterity For X amount of time. It's more likely to go the other way. And if you're going to have – it's like a fight. can talk. Was Dick Fosbury fair? That's a pretty fucking bold move, right? Right. Did you know this? Did you know? of the 20th century happens there. Oh! They have another thing that they're thinking about now.

41:43 But also, wouldn't it slow the i believe that in beach volleyball the the jumping serve where you go airborne What do you think of this guy, Steph Curry, And so I think these zero-day exploits and just taking back to get to the UFOs because we have crazy stuff. You can't ask me that because I have a different view than every other person. Keep going.

44:30 Quantum gravity is like a startup that cannot ship a product after 70 years. Otherwise, you're like, oh, oh. That fell out of favor. Why can't I question this? Where did this come from? Between 1973 and 1984, or let's say 74 to 84 because we'll group 73 to 53, you have 10 years of super exciting guesses about the extension of our understanding. But something is binding them together like a family structure, right?

48:07 This anomaly cancellation was unexpected, and it clearly points to the fact that we Think about Agent Smith. contact with the physical world. So it's like one of the greatest conundrums. Sean Carroll is very sympathetic to it. And he has, you know how Warren Beatty had a pickup line that everyone knew? Okay, let me hear him. of reason and intuition, but most other physical theories have had more complicated history.

51:22 look for a physical interpretation, or start Yes. They're having a friendly conversation. It almost seems like he wanted to run away and get back to his lab. curved space. He didn't conceive of Okay. in this picture time is running horizontally and what I'm sketching, the purple wiggly lines are meant to be photons. What do you do at work? They're fried.

55:39 Whoa. So he came onto the scene and started telling us how everything was going to fit together. And what was really going on was very different than people understood. It was like calculus. So this was the most romantic backfiring in the history of physics in promising to do. So he's both the most accomplished of us and the person who drove physics the most

59:18 so he'll be turning 72, I think, later this year, And this is why I was curious about UFOs and gravity and all this stuff. The official story that both the DeWitts tell and the Wittens tell is, oh, yeah, there were these crazy people. But that's kind of what they implied? sympathetic. This thing dominated. It just took over. And this weird genesis of a high prestige

1:02:38 So gravity becomes his sworn enemy. that was done there? So put in Tufts stone anti-gravity. This guy littered universities And these stones are littered around the country. seriously. We had this discussion before with like Tim Dillon saying something about me. Bullshit. Okay. out of Johns Hopkins. Lewis Witten is a respectable physicist comes out of retirement to work on this anti-gravity-inspired project.

1:06:55 So it's this marriage of utter madness and kookiness with top drawer white shoe respectability. And what is blue sky research? charismatic, brilliant human beings who answered to no one and walked around with swagger with because nobody's turned in a Ted Williams-style performance even being a tiny bit older than Ed or 73 till the present day. And the 65 date dates from Ghislaine Maxwell's father.

1:10:26 micro journals, you know, journal of hyper-specific thing X. So peer review comes screaming in, in the world, as if we didn't have Einstein How do you turn that boat around, though? the reason that I didn't want to touch this subject. The reason I didn't want to touch who have to fight, who have loose lips, probably going off and seeing prostitutes, who knows,

1:13:28 That was what it was regarded to. They had a bunch of inflatable tanks. You want a code. The other one is SR-71 Blackbird. So that's what I assumed about UFOs. So everybody's decision tree blows out. You're going to Curtis Wright Aerospace. And the guy says, oh, it's Chapel Hill. Right? Oppenheimer says, wow, you guys won this by using the name of the Institute for Advanced Study.

1:17:50 This is this marriage of total bullshit and top drawer physics that the rest of us are not allowed to participate. There's disclosure about a specific technology. Like, okay. So I was open to this. Oh, no, no. And I'm not falling for it, but I'm telling you now that I have information. I went a different route. I said, okay, you guys keep saying all this stuff is real. You keep

1:21:10 defy the laws of physics i say great i need to talk to somebody who speaks physics how do you admiral is trying to figure out, I think this is at EG&G, why is there some program that I'm not allowed to Hal and I are the three most technical people on this Joe I'm not even on this so you know as much Where are the violas? Like, this is simple. And Marco Rubio and Kirsten Gilderand, if you're out there,

1:24:36 they are here from so far out of town But right now we have a puzzle that our government won't release information to its own scientific community. let's be honest if you are faking ufos the last people you want are the world's most brilliant physicists. Nobody wants to invite somebody smarter than they are. And you track to see, well, where do those people live? Where do those names live? Oh, they live in Virginia. Okay. So you'd start to get an idea. Now, in the case of

1:28:38 So that's one specialty that you would want. to the Institute for Field Physics at the University of Texas, but you would have no idea how strong this place is. It's got multiple fields medalists. But more importantly, and this is the really weird thing. Like there is no – there used to be four fortunes in hedge funds that didn't make any sense. his own clients in one division. One was the theft, one was the dupes. I got that wrong. He

1:33:03 Renaissance has existed in its medallion fund for decades, has turned in a performance never seen by anything else remotely, effectively just a money printing machine. is actually differential geometric. go get him for a guest. churn, he came up with something called the churn Simons function or churn Simons functional, field equations are derived. This thing generates something which you would call the Chern-Simons equation.

1:36:02 Then it got more geometric through something called geometric quantum field theory, Hold this right here. We have a picture here of the iconic wall at Stony Brook. Maxwell's equations in geometric form, You want to put it up? Actually, if I'm correct, because there's only one derivative know whether this is like a Straussian communication in the sense that if you're smart enough

1:39:13 in the world... If we're not doing something in Sautucket or we're not doing something at the University of Texas at Austin, I'm worried we're not doing something anywhere. where we pretend that that's not true. He says geckos actually use this when they climb up a wall. They use the Casimir effect. So it's real. Now the question, can you harness it? This is

1:41:51 Well, weirdly, you change two things. You change the force law, F equals ma, and you change the gravitational law, F equals g, first mass times second mass over r squared. So when you change general relativity from giving us madness. So Bondi started asking the question, And all the most respectable people are in it, Sean Carroll is covering up for this as well.

1:44:32 No, you put a lot of people's careers in the shredder in order to have this quantum gravity experiment, which is like, you know, the people bowing and praying to this thing that doesn't work. this riff on the twin nuclei problem. I said, we've got to get off this planet. I said, we now border shouldn't move, but we really shouldn't have been antagonizing Russia by pretending that

1:46:50 And in order to have any hope of getting off this planet, You're not going to terraform the moon and Mars traveling at the top speed a human has ever gone at, I think is 100,000 years away at that top oh, we're gonna use time dilation. We do not live in space-time. It's all sci-fi. None of this is something you can't check. called Riemannian and Erismanian.

1:50:20 So two rulers coming out of a protractor. And you can change the angle of the ruler. So you gave Lex a watch, and I started talking about multiple time dimensions, so I gave him my Fitbit. One is, does somebody else know how to grow rulers and shrink rulers and grow watches and shrink watches, speed them up, slow them down, in order to get in control of the thing that we thought was space time?

1:52:21 time is if time is one dimensional. If time two-dimensional, you have a whirlpool of time, which is either clockwise or counterclockwise. dimensions spatially for people who do what I do. Almost none of us can think in multiple You and I are both old enough to remember cassette tapes and vinyl albums. that with time you didn't have to go back through time to go back in time. Do I even know what I mean? Not really. I'm sort of at the edge of where I can actually say

1:55:05 point of release. In quantum mechanics you have the second thing called quantum Who's doing this observation? Who has the right to use the second rule for collapsing the state vector with Schrodinger's cat and all entanglement weirdness? in a structure called a bundle. Now, people will go over this, and I'm sure professors will say, Now, you're going to tell me about an Alcubierre warp drive where, okay, no, here's what's going on.

1:57:33 They're using a successor theory, It's like, I'm not gonna lie to you, Neo. Watch my Wikipedia entry as I try to do this. But what do you think they're using in terms of a technology to achieve these not the last time, but the time before that, it's time for heads on pikes. like Vad, You say stuff all... But that is actually a compliment if you use that for Aaron Blanchfield.

2:00:49 People are going to be very weird when they realize that they blew their entire career. There aren't three. And then we're referencing everyone else who's actually trying to figure out how to fight to, well, have you submitted to the paintball competition? It's different than what you guys do in Brazilian jiu-jitsu. We're doing safe stuff. Eye gouging is part of street fighting.

2:03:24 You're not the responsible adults I thought you were. Like, if I unleash a neutron and it leads to Right. People have forgotten how terrifying, important, wonderful, jaw-dropping, and awesome physics is because it hasn't done anything that completely screws your mind. where we did an atmospheric explosion over Hawaii What's this one? Right. Well, this is what I'm trying to say is what I'm trying to tell you-

2:07:06 to traverse the cosmos, if that is possible, That's a big part of UFO, that once they drop those, that's when all the UFOs started we assume that we are smarter than orcas. From everything from rocks to orcas. this cup has a radius of R and a circumference of two pi R. The disc that it spans is pi R All that stuff where if it didn't exist, if somehow or another we lived in some contained environment and we had no concept of space whatsoever and then we gained access to it, we would be unbelievably overwhelmed.

2:10:45 right your eyes your fovea is precious because that's the thing that can resolve at very high we have six extra time dimensions and four extra space, add six to one and three to four and you What? I haven't met anyone in striking distance in three years. Oh, Eric, you know, like, I'll complain about data. If I was you, I'd just shut the fuck up and let them show me. I'd be like, let's go.

2:13:29 Bullshit. Really what I am is an academic who realized that you can't do academics inside of the university system and watch it disintegrate into madness as we speak. I figured this out a The cosmos are traversable. Yeah. But the most important part of it is India. I wonder if there's another society that's screening everybody from landing here. developed that scares us. That's a mushroom cloud, man. That's time to go in.

2:16:40 There aren't many that are dumber than us either. Now, if that's true, and we can leave, Like I'm not even a physicist, Joe. They live in space time. wrong to a mathematician or a physicist. So like there's some class that you're supposed to show up to and you haven't been in a long time. You're not thinking post-Einsteinian. This is my thing that I tried to give you last time I was here.

2:20:54 or Soul Kitchen simultaneously. of it. So the illusion is that we're having a four-dimensional conversation because the Victrola That is my structure. That's what I believe is true. And we're having the discussion as if it's Like I'm, that were like the junior version of geometric unity. I was told that those equations were They thought I was wrong and crazy.

2:24:20 He doesn't say what replaces them. happens when Ed Witten is told this. A couple weeks later, I'm at the MIT commissary with Is Singer and the math physics group. And a guy named András Senes, Hungarian brilliant guy, So, like, I didn't want to tell these stories the last time. And a lecture is given at room 507 in the Harvard Math Department on the fifth floor across from the office of a guy named Raoul Bott, who is absolutely not my advisor, but the Internet is determined to make him my advisor.

2:27:33 These equations are so hard. in 1987. And he usually falls asleep during the lecture. And I left mathematics at that moment. I just decided I can't trust you people. papers, you know, I learned about this years ago before from Eric Weinstein, a paper with Cano and I own the Portal podcast. Those things, the Seiberg-Witten equations, is the barest thumbnail of what's coming.

2:31:14 Jordan Peterson, Brett Weinstein, Sam Harris Maybe we don't have a way to the solar system, out of the solar system. this sound coming out of the Victrola. You'd say that's three components. There's a stylus, is made of the first family of matter. But if you do have an idea, then you can guess at what dark chemistry would be. But let's fudge it and imagine that there's a symmetry.

2:35:16 through something called grand unification, where we use theories called SU-5 and spin-10 or SO-10. Nature seems to know things we don't know how to do. traverse the cosmos? I don't know how to do the engineering any more than the person who invented What kind of power would have to be generated? to say, okay, if those are hard little balls inside, I want to pull one out.

2:38:18 the reason UFOs matter to me is if they're here, then these degrees of freedom are accessible. One, that these things are actionable if they're right. But from an engineering perspective, how would you make any of this happen? and then pass an electron beam from like a cathode ray tube It's a precursor that actually determines the universe. It determines the electromagnetic fields.

2:41:25 like it's not going to do anything. Or the Casimir effect. Or finding out that beta decay, Tell me what I'm saying in terms that we can build something and actually see if it has consequences. mass is generated by the interaction with the Higgs field in general. to do things, right? The only way we keep mass always positive is by putting in artificial

2:44:12 I mean, to be able to generate the Higgs, it had to go through how many kilometers? We don't know how to interfere with the weak force or the gravitational force. Both Because I thought it was not—I thought it was a smoke screen that we were using to do aerospace engineering projects i thought it was like Lou couldn't come. So I ended up speaking in Lou's place at a UFO meet. It was crazy. But I met so many people who were just like,

2:47:10 We keep talking via phone. Oh, brother, another one of these stories. things that I can't believe firsthand stuff. And then it gets weirder and worse from that. The humans are Why? Because since the mid 70s, we've been able to do I'm like, so downsample it, de-res, it's not even our ship people. You're claiming it's It's like, you're Jewish. She's Mormon. Get the hint. She loves she likes you. But there was nothing going to happen. OK, I get it. This is Meredith Baker. You don't want for some reason to tell me what's actually going on. Then don't waste my time. Don't spend my credibility.

2:52:28 Cheers, sir. Thank you. and what has been going on, there's going to be a lot of consequence. If you have a blue on blue situation, that means that two official representatives of the U.S. government are stumbling over each other. Oh, wow. your men are already dead. That's a de-confliction situation. Okay, Case Explorer. Okay. a half an hour case explorer.

2:55:17 But I'll do it. Cobalt is government and baby is like civilians, like you and me. over government operations in the cobalt sector, but we're baby blue. So you file a complaint or whatever. Now you've got a situation where they don't know. You just want the creep away from your kid. So you file a designation. You'd be a threat to this incredible operation because you have

2:58:33 And if you ever take a look at the board of advisors of EcoHealth Alliance, it's wildly overpowered, including my old mentor, who's the head of the Sloan Foundation and the ex-head of the National Science Foundation. to have a timeout. You're out of control. I'm fine. But you're going to turn this into What did we just find out from the Twitter files, right?

3:00:01 It had nothing to do with ballot stuffing or miscounting. So I believe that partially why we're not talking is that we've Do you know that it was Lee Harvey Oswald? a collision between social media-empowered humans who are smart, trying to figure out the story, Maybe. Because in the past, no one would acknowledge it. They are. But I was able to figure out partially one with the help of Mick West, who is my antagonist, but also we're sort of, we're frenemies, kind of. And the other one was like a Mylar balloon

3:03:22 and it's like, oh my God, you know, Yes, that's a big attraction. that we know that there's something there. And and Eric we just can't show it to you and by the way the reason that it and every time I see a license plate with three letters like NSA or MIT, I take a picture of it. out at such as like I generated this out of of simulator written in Python. So people are just, they want to believe so much

3:05:51 I change. we captured this. in this very small number of areas who's looked at this? It's that big of a difference. Oh, go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself. We're your team. said there's a previous person who was working on the job, they died. Yes and no. You. fuck is going on and everything's compartmentalized so no one can talk to anyone so no real science

3:09:41 I don't get that. So let me make an analogy. Do you die if you touch it? but I can... Here's the thing, Joe. I can tell you what I know and what I don't know. is a version of this insane-sounding thing. that he made money in the market, We did not have a comfortable interaction. But if making money is the best way of advertising that this stuff is real, why wouldn't you actually do it?

3:13:12 You don't want to be the money changer in the temple. bring people together and you have a world in which we're losing all support for blue What if it's just not possible most of the time? Right. Right. whether it's holotropic breathing or whether it's meditation, there's states of mind that are So tomography and the radon transform. So it's an Arthur C. Clarke problem. Now, if you ask me, I'm very freaked out about this cattle mutilation because people I know swear by it.

3:16:59 They don't do it to people is my point. That's a theory. different hair follicles in your organ of cordy to vibrate at different times. Or if I go, Absolutely. However, it's not outside of the realm using the doubly scientific method, But these things have a religious effect on people. Why wouldn't I do that heartfelt? look we can't interfere with you because we have a prime directive but we can give you indirect

3:19:59 Do we listen for neutrino events? He's locked in to, because he's not really a physicist at a practicing level, he has to worry about his respectability. The reason he beat Rosalind Franklin And it's not about male versus female. Great scientists engage in quackery. guitar playing say more you can be very technically proficient or you can figure out a way to do

3:22:55 for example, yeah, whatever, Jeff Beck died. Wait, break from UFOs. You have to tell me you're Jeff Beck's dad. I was supposed to drive driver. Hold up. Yeah. Wait. Break from UFOs. There's a bunch of them. and I can't remember what fucking song it was. I didn't know. Yeah. I, uh, I also got a chance to, uh, pick up Annie Lennox security guy, Where their vocal core I believe before it was trained

3:25:48 this version of drowning my own tears which is a cover ray charles did a cover version She is. I love her. She's great. I want to get back to it. Let me hear some of this. right like she's 12 years old this is Costa Rica Wow I like how they have the Yeah, she doesn't want to hang out with music people. They're the most down-to-earth rock stars. And the only way I found Tal is that I thought like, okay,

3:29:28 And I was completely unprepared for like these people who are channeling the universe directly Who you introduced me to at the store when I never met him. But let me just say this. shit and actually like basically the thing about about Jews and money is the Jews that had and professional wrestling thing, And then it was like, we all had it. And then we realized we had it. And then if I was sitting

3:32:40 because that was a transformative experience. I want you to be there. generous person you could imagine. as if this makes any effing sense. we'll take your left testicle, So I come through. more creative, more gentle, more loving, more inclusive person. He invites me on the spot to Now, part of the reason that Jews and blacks have very high tension is because we have very similar experiences.

3:35:34 an alert from long beach that if kanye strays out of calabasas he's to be taken out what yeah Okay. Kanye is focused on the spiritual Sunday thing. And I realized what this is, is Jesus. Jesus loves I said, I want you to run to TMZ. And I guarantee you that they have the videotape. There's nothing not right. That was fucking hilarious. Sorry, Joe. okay so you made a joke about pizzas italians so you have to let me tell you a piece or your

3:39:18 There's nothing... That is, to me, I know that you guys think it's about mockery, it's about having fun, I'll tell you the joke about pizza's money in juice, And what we need as a country, as you and I both know, and we've both been in the same fight, is we need a massive coming together. which says that he fell short of his mark. He took the shot and he hit the apple. He didn't

3:42:19 it the Jewish question. Why are there so many fucking Jews? Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews. that elevate us beyond what Dave Chappelle turned in. I'm not claiming that And he's like, and this. And I'm sad about it because I think he's a genius. your country, we pay more taxes. We do more philanthropy. We make tons of fucking money. We're not strong. And if it is Israel, it's not Israel.

3:45:53 It's like, what does that mean? But I can tell you this. It's not the Jews who are behind Jeffrey Epstein. He was trying to say, I'm Jesus. I can tell that Hitler deserved love and deserved admiration. And it's like, well, look up Eva Kor, right? And I'll tell you one of the reasons comment about I love Hitler and TMZ to take him out because I thought he was a force for good.

3:48:39 He's funny as hell. If Dave was going to do a stand-up set on that, he would work that at multiple different clubs a night, and he would do it over months. Right? I watched you look at the crowd as feedback and change your act and change your act and change your act until it just sang. some bits and then they they start off great and then they die and then they

3:50:58 And after a while, when listening to us talk on podcasts, a lot of fans now know. he would figure out a way to do it. assisted therapy right yeah the idea is if you don't actually touch the thing that's uncomfortable You want the routine that is workshopped and perfected. Yeah, the routine takes a long time. is always, it's those those guys we are counting on you

3:54:09 I know how comedians think. Yeah, I don't understand a lot of antisemitism The idea that you would categorize people by what geography they're from or what color their skin is, that to me seems so ridiculous and so stupid that I don't entertain it. Size of the cosmos that we're existing in like all these different things. It's finite nature of our existence

3:56:06 And you don't need anyone to say that. Because right now our government isn't helping us come together. it's one of the reasons why it's so fascinating here is because this is a country of immigrants. You know, with me, it's my grandparents everyone else. And this is like, I wish I could communicate, Joe, how much fear I have right now as a Jewish And this issue, like, I don't know, is it Daryl Davies? You know, like these incredibly

3:59:17 And the issue is I don't want a Jewish black rift in the middle of America. Like, why would there be any conflict at all between Russia and Ukraine? And now that's what's fun. Not only that by psychos and I can tell you I have so much Ukrainian trauma not even allowed to examine it right and my feeling is crazy this is my children i'm on this planet

4:01:47 And right now, all of earth is Mitzrayim. not our privilege, not our this, not our that, not that we're on top, but it's our responsibility to shepherd the birth of the human race into an interstellar species. And I hope that other cultures feel the same responsibility and that they feel chosen in the same way. And if you think about the Passover story, it's a tremendous question.

4:03:55 It's like you've been telling the story every year for a reason because the people who waited for the bread to rise, that's why we eat unleavened bread, died. And the people Think about everything that you love, whether it's Drown in My Own Tears or Box B Minor Mass or the works of Shakespeare. It's like, no, you know, we're down. Now is the time for legends.

4:06:21 brilliant things though. And I appreciate you very much. And I appreciate you coming on here