Joe Rogan Experience #1970 — Bill Ottman Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Everything's going wild. Minds and maps, the two of them should go together perfectly. founder is anonymous, sort of similar to Bitcoin. And what it is, is it's all about crypto key pairs It's like getting serious endorsement. So if they were decentralized, but there was no real decentralization back then, was there? it's like, how do you get it down? You don't, you don't, you don't. So it's just, even though it's

3:37 So, you know, I think I kind of have a nuanced view on copyright. I don't think there will be any stop. And anyone kind of has access to anything that's online. It still works. And as quantum computing advances, encryption protocols will advance too. So that's different. He clicked on that link, bang, all of a sudden they have access to his phone. I mean, the layers of surveillance kind of keep zooming out.

7:56 that just came out? And anyway, the reason I'm talking about this is I think that intelligence at least in speculation, because what is this system? If they're here, which I don't remember i hear heard some of of that stuff got rolled back, but realistically, no, no, no, no. It makes all of the government people less safe to have these back doors. where they want to use it on other people

11:24 It's like he can't use Yeah. And it's just all these different divisions and departments, and they all have their own And then. essentially China-based. It's insane. I mean, it's just a fucking full-on assault on free speech. You should not even be able to sign Yeah. But like there should be an encrypt act, like encrypt everything. up in arms. But my concern is, if it wasn't for social media, that act, which was kind of ironic,

16:17 companies too. I mean, like how do we know that Facebook and Google, just because they're US But the thing is you can't know with these proprietary apps because they're just not sharing anything. app. It's different. Mastodon, the way that that works is federated instances. So there's all of one, upload your key, and all your stuff is there. And that and that's why we like it because it keeps us in check because our users

18:37 the social graph specifically is the key because you spend a decade built, There was a lot of things that they were labeling as disinformation or misinformation, which are 100% proven fact now. I'm rooting for him. The people whose random Joe Schmo posting a COVID study, like, has he been let back on? but they've said some horrific shit. same. That's not even why he was banned. Right. So, you know, it's not easy.

21:23 And did you see they were leaving twitter and you know one of them i really love and i was like why are you doing i Like, I'm sorry if it hurts someone's feelings, but that shit's important. like that's a potentially understandable intermediary effect to happen while things yeah it's the purpose yeah yeah and not to mention that the hate isn't defined. So it's only one type of hate that these people are typically referring to.

24:54 which requires it's a censorship law there. They require these policies on disinformation, what's the repercussions? basis submit analytics about all of our moderation data which honestly we're already transparent Stopping free speech that is there's no there's no for arguing with these guidelines, there's no repercussions. There's nothing, you know,

28:01 that this vaccine stops the virus in his tracks. If you get vaccinated, the virus can no longer affect you. I know. One of the things that's fascinating about Twitter now is they fact-checked the Biden administration. I'm not trying to attack. I think that the ability to engage with those posts got changed back, but then like Taibbi's posts, you can even search them.

30:37 so how many users does mines have now? We are 5 million. and customer.io and all of these surveillance tools and analytics tools that are very powerful We're continually growing. protect you. And we need to not let this get out of control, which maybe there's an element of truth to that. But then there's a I mean, it is what it is. I listened to the beginning of that one.

34:29 there's human interaction. This was just like question, answer, question, answer. Yeah. I mean, I just, I'm getting sent these things where I'm doing these ads for products that I've never used and I never talked about. Very difficult to find who's actually making this and how they would profit off of it. And so what does that mean? They're profiting off of the world's data.

37:45 functionality to like twitter blue but we do uh you get more reach more exposure uh verified us lots of money but it's okay that's that we want free video upload but like you know youtube That's cool. How much money? Like, we're going to build a sales force and bring on a bunch of sales reps and send them out into the world and help sell our product and give them a commission.

40:11 Everybody owns their content. can be, you know, have boots on the ground and go off and do work and sell stuff. What would you get for $1,000 a month? You're only allowing that reach for people that have a lot of money, Yeah, the promoted posts. People just find us organically looking for alternatives to big tech. the internet like let's deal with this and not erode freedom of speech and like i would love to see you know sundar prashai or or zuckerberg or you know tim cook like have more of a balanced

44:25 You know, that's what makes us competitive. But they basically said, look, we need to be transparent. The license that we use is the GPLv3, It's basically that, yeah, you have to, it's sort of a pay it forward. but still provide the transparency. Facebook created React, which is, like like one of the most popular JavaScript frameworks. But they know that they need the developer energy.

47:42 It's working. You think so? of his shell he was tweeting some like a barry weiss, which was weird. Interesting. You know, because Amazon, we just ditched Amazon. Yeah, and they have much worse terms, I don't know all the specifics of, you know, the back and forth between them. them. But unfortunately, the waters get muddied because, you know, Rumble uses Google Analytics.

51:38 We can't just let them keep doing the surveillance, keep doing the secrecy. just because a fully decentralized option exists Um, and people were bugging out like, of course. And, and so they, they rolled back the policy. Like if Elon repeatedly says, like, we need to maximize public trust. Because if they— But that seems like that would be very beneficial to minds, but not very beneficial to Twitter.

55:02 Hundreds of millions, right? Like when you first came on the podcast, when people start talking about social media networks, I mean, it's just. I don't know. forgot to bring it up before about substack. So Elon actually accused them of stealing Twitter data. Twitter. You have tweets embedded in Substack. Like, the API is how you facilitate that. And Twitter has been locking down its API because it's been, quite frankly, probably costing them millions of dollars.

58:20 So Elon's tweet said that, you know, they've basically been abusing our API to bootstrap their own social network. Because I just heard about this. unlocking the power of the subscription network. So it looks exactly like Twitter. Just like the Truth Social Network network is right yeah and so so someone had said, you should buy Substack. you are reliant on us. Right. We're helping you grow. And then I'm thinking about buying you.

1:00:53 I don't think that he was out this to censor. between the intelligence agencies and the former heads of Twitter. What I like about Elon is he will change course. that they do where they just demonetize things. And so you self-censor because you don't want If we just decided that someone was problematic which we've we've basically said and actually we're dealing with this right now i'll just call

1:04:40 And they're also doing it with India. That's the argument. but it's their kind of China project. where you can't access information about Tiananmen Square. government and Facebook. And, you know, the, the journalists of Vietnam found out and we got this problem. We're not dependent on those users. know what's funny you know your your first time sharing minds no it was in like 2009 or no maybe like 2011 and you shared this viral video that was going on in minds of

1:08:31 No, I had friends message me. Really? It was just like one of those like crazy levitation videos where it's just like, what the hell is going on? And is it because someone's sharing it on other social media networks like I did? historically have obviously used that I mean the problem is that for the way They're favoring Twitter Blue, which is, again, some of it makes sense,

1:11:18 That you'd want, like, just put the whole article on Twitter or just put this on Twitter. right but like you don't want to have you want to share a video from YouTube And then Facebook was just like, and then boom. That's what happens yeah you know at the cellar that were having this conversation that do it where it's like it's an art form like Mr. Beast

1:14:57 Because I don't know how many views it's going to get. you mean he does so much good and it's so interesting to watch him do the thing i mean i look good there's all these angles that people will take on things, which is their prerogative. And they can look petty and they can look foolish or they can have really good points. on Instagram, on everything. And that's so valuable. So we have to figure out a way to

1:18:41 and all the weird shit that it's doing to kids, which is not good. They're in it not just that way. When you see, like, someone will post something, has what seems to be like, well, this is a suspicious take, because there's going to be you know armies of bots at war mainstream media at war with independent journalists. all this different stuff, Seymour Hersh thinks otherwise.

1:22:26 I mean, because they probably think nuclear warfare is on the table. I mean, you literally are in the business of revealing more. Total shift in in humanity. I think we're and i and i mean that with regards to classified and she had to kind of admit things that they've said in the past And you're doing that based on your ideology. And because they don't think we can handle it.

1:25:37 And it's not a good argument, right? Because this country has a very robust belief in free speech. It's one of the reasons why, It wouldn't be allowed to happen in other countries. It's hard to understand. It is a national security risk to not do that because what if all of the other countries do that? What if all these other countries and it blows up and it becomes the global reserve currency and then the U.S. is just out of luck because we didn't participate because we were trying to be, you know, too heavy handed with it.

1:28:12 Let's come back. Oh, shit. Just see what you think think your take on this the five observables are sort of well documented. Well, he is, according to Jeremy, he is a program manager for the government's largest UFO program. It's because, like, you can't the people who are doing the black projects need to have reassurance that they're not going to be screwed after coming forward.

1:32:11 that mean do you have something that was unidentified that is from some other What does that mean? And these two sisters and their friends saw it. And so, you know, there's record of the hospital, you know, doing this, like this renovation. and like the weird thing about so so Virginia is very similar to Roswell that saw military checkpoints It's so well done.

1:36:26 They basically were police who like captured apparently, allegedly one of these things. And then apparently there was like he got a cut or I feel like Occam's razor in both cases of Roswell and Virginia are. But they don't even, yeah, because they don't want to, like you're always going to get a bunch of bullshit artists but you know the types of But, you know, yeah, there's clips of her.

1:40:50 I don't, I mean, I'm looking for holes. Fravor are full of it no I don't think they are Ryan Graves doesn't have like a because there's multiple witnesses, video evidence, the equipment that they used to detect it. It knew where they were going to go? melon thinks that it's a post-biological probe um and that the gray you know the traditional Wouldn't there be some sort of parallel evolution?

1:44:49 it's like both trans it's like both sort of this divergence well one of my concern is that it's it's all sort of this degradation. Though I typically, like i'm in no rush to integrate you know neural link but And then the thing is it's going to – if it does do what Elon thinks it's going to be able to do, live in a way that you could never live without it so it's much more sustainable to use clothes

1:47:36 that's going to keep going. Mm-mm. So we are. I want to say like even physically forced, but in order to compete and to exist. foot your leg vibrates like there's definitely energy exchange but i don't know i mean i i don't I'm saying that everybody would. The other thing is it's also there's a haves and have-not aspect to it. like, you know, freedom based social media versus, you know, big tech, like it's the same

1:52:43 results into chat gpt and applications so here it is started dog in the proper treatment she's made almost couldn't make the correct diagnosis, The most impressive part was how well it read and interpreted the blood test results. aren't and some are specialists and some aren't. And some have, you know, done an incredible amount And I'm like, well, that's pretty ridiculous.

1:56:31 You have to pay but you can pay and get access to it I don't know what that means and how they can do that And it's so confidently I asked it about me just to see what it would come To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if that becomes much more of a problem. Well, that's probably going to be better with chat GPT 4.5. you know, aligned with oh really yeah it's all about a line announcing chat GPT for a

1:59:41 However, the problem is that different people have very different perceptions of what is good How do I make a bomb? Do I want the safer version? Elon Musk reportedly purchases thousands of We need billions of dollars. People didn't want it to happen. language use in humanity so they're probably going to come out with something cool and then on them, they're getting so powerful so fast. They need to give us a path to when it's going

2:04:31 Yeah. data that's allowing you to do this it's it's basically everyone's data everyone's data yeah integrate neural link it's it's in there and because we kind of have like you I think there's probably going to be multiple versions of it. I mean, you really become something Like I think that there is real possibility for social unrest and the global economy.

2:08:38 But like people, people will have concern. love Richard Dolan who wrote it and I've watched like hundreds of hours of his of Yeah. because what'll happen now is there'll be all these, well don't you think there's like an information overlord overrule um overwhelming aspect to this Why are you not freaking out about the Restrict Act? And we're always going to,

2:11:59 I do. They don't have whatever it is, the software to handle that. It changes all of the decisions that we make. No, it's not. have that conversation with Nixon but there's no speculation to the fact that he built a fucking detection that these people uh these these beings on this planet they've entered into this new phase fuck everything up. So that this is a very

2:17:05 incredibly rapidly, which is what we're seeing now with AI. Exactly. Yeah, that's Neil deGrasse Tyson's take. the transition so if if I was an alien life form it's superior intelligence Potentially fundamental. It's called Conscious, and it's all about panpsychism, which is cool coming from her because she obviously is rigorous. to when consciousness emerges.

2:20:47 we we what we're doing to orcas is fucking horrific and accepted in some strange way Like that's so maybe to other people they don't consider orcas conscious, but I feel like that's like a certain type of person that really hasn't looked into this at all. It's all just decreasing. Well, isn't that just an evolved level of consciousness? You're not going to make me pick. There's not a light bulb that goes off.

2:23:23 Right. Right. Yeah, Bill Burr has a great bit about that as well. Pig fetus is going to become a pig. They're very different things. You could argue that a pig is intelligent because they are. They're calculated. They do things. They're smart. They're smarter Right. Because I think that a lot of people who are who are pro abortion, like like Louie and Chris Rock, who made those bits, which are, you know, kind of crude bits.

2:27:23 become these dogmatic things that you Everything intersects. very clearly with the discussion about COVID and whether or not metabolic health is important and to look at that as, you know, the, the largest scale psychological experiment on humanity that's ever occurred. I mean, literally billions of And if our tribe is, even if it's illogical, is heavily leaning towards one position, we feel absolutely compelled to do what the tribe is doing.

2:31:12 by these very corrupt organizations that you could follow a very clear paper trail of money and influence hey, we've got a real fucking problem with this, they're conspiracy theorists, they're fools. You know, it's very strange. bet you aren't let's discuss some of that data and then when you see the panic on their face when but, how about that fucking New York Times article about Nord Stream?

2:34:12 That guy must be such a fucking nightmare to those people because he's so compromised, you know, his mind. Jesus Christ. And if he's – he's Seymour Hersh. Serious effects. Right. Right. or do you think it's more like chimpanzees in the Congo being aware of researchers watching them? Trump said that he knows some things, but he can't talk about them.

2:38:24 Because they have a patented way of dismissing it and answer. There was one, she was photographed holding a well-known book about UFOs. even with the knowledge that UFOs exist? I feel like it's a risk. It would be a risk seems to be. I think that the space daddy is potentially the one thing in relation they're just watching You get the physical proof that you need to know.

2:42:49 the conversation like, hey, guys, can we talk about this for a second? It would if it got to that. while this is all happening in this very weird way where the Pentagon discusses it, but not very I mean, just the fact, because it felt more real. wouldn't it be better to say these are from another world and we don't have any idea? I mean, to be honest, I sort of lean towards that option given how they're behaving.

2:45:42 Why would they tell the truth about this all of a sudden? Well, I think we're basically just mentally masturbating until there's some real information. knowledge are we being visited by beings or crafts from another world? That's what I'm guessing. proves the existence of effort to detect signs of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, Yeah. I mean, yeah, man.

2:49:02 conversations like be able to pursue possibilities from the other side Like it's being called the biggest U.S. government leak since Snowden. Yes. And like very sensitive document. I mean, Kirby, one of the John Kirby, he's like Biden's spokesperson. I mean, it's a huge strategic blunder. Yes. You've stuck to them from the very beginning when you formulated this company, and you're still doing it.

2:52:29 Trying to be community-owned.